I'm working on a demo (for a friend, who sings finnish tangos: www.tangontaikaa.de + myspace.com/tangontaikaa) and we did lots of edits and soundmanipulation to get the best impression out of 2 concerts, a homerecording and a studio session. we did most possible edits (over several months) and maxed the overall volume (maybe too much..) now we try to fade (=end) some of the songs in a natural/musical way. I recently bought a SM -Patch2-volume controller and each manual fade seems to be quite easy/good sounding with it. logic's destructive fade outs (with different curves) simply do not sound the same.. so we even thought of rerecording the manual fade outs, but maybe a part of the problem lies in the reduced solution.. another problem is: treble seems to stick out at low volume and sometimes there shouldn't be any hihat on the last bass notes.. and sometimes the musicans (accordion is very dynamic/expressiv instrument) build things up, where we want things to go down. we tried to manual lower things by hand, in musical steps (before applying the fade out), but this gets very complicated and time consuming. (in logic I can access only one step/selection at a time (in the sample editor) and have to undo plus redo a lot..) it would be very cool, to have some kind of markers (for the musical steps/phrases) and to be able to adjust them instantly.. is there a application for things like this or do you work within the arrange-window and with automation? (which plugin do you automate - 'gain' seems 'unmusically' for this / probably volume automation works better, but has to be bounced..) I'm looking forward to read your comments/advice and wish everybody a happy and inspiring new year ! With Compliments, Benjamin Wild wildjamin.de myspace.com/benjaminwild