Hi and thanks for the pointers, I've been using the track mixer a lot today and it seems way better than at first. One thing that is bothering me is that I cant double click up through folders. I have to go to the arrange page, select the folder, then back to the track mixer. I seem to remember earlier versions ( of the track mixer?) having the ability to move up or down within folders. Has this been removed? Also I still get, for no apparent reason, certain busses shown in the track mixer in certain folders, which are not being used by any channel in the folder. The track mixer is really superb in general though. Best , Adam