To all who sent me ideas on how to get White Noise -- Thank You! I actually used Blairs suggestion. I also found out how to drop a green apple loop into a track, go to matrix view, select all and then delet the notes from the loop, leaving only the sampled inst. to be played from controller keyboard. I'm setting up a blank song with inst. allready to use. Thanks for the help to a newbie who has climbed out of the black hole. Gary