Hi Colin- I would suggest that you find someone to walk you through the program a bit. If you were coming to it fresh, it would probably be easier but when you already are proficient with an entirely different paradigm, making the switch easily can be tougher. Where do you live? I do think that Logic offers a lot more power in this sense than DP (which I admittedly don't have as much experience with). But I also think that the "learning curve" associated with Logic is exaggerated. The "crashes" you were getting with the AU validation tool, for example, are normal. It happens once in the beginning as Apple complains about standards compliancy with 3rd party manufacturers. Patch names and synth editors (and by that I mean some VERY sophisticated ones) are available from places like www.swiftkick.com ...in fact, I suspect that the Sounddiver beta that has been available as a download forever probably has a bunch of the presets built in (I could be wrong). But presets aren't really static. They get changed and replaced. I do think that I had to use a piece of freeware once to pull the patch names off my K200 years ago. But then I modified a bunch of them. Then came software instruments (which have almost totally replaced my hardware synths) of which Logic has a very generous assortment. Give it a few more days. Logic CAN be very complex. But it can also be set up to be very simple to use. Did you use the setup assistant? That might be a place to start... best, Nathan ___ Nathan Rosenberg Music Production The Doghouse NYC www.doghouseNYC.com