> bus 1: output: none, panned to the center, yes, i know it makes no > sense but works. > bus 2: output: none, panned to the center, yes, i know it makes no > sense but works. > > aux1: input: bus1, send to bus 2. output: your choice (1 and 2 or l+r) > aux2: input: bus2, sned to bus 1. output: your choice (1 and 2 or l+r) Just checked, doesn't work. Bus objects show higher levels when driven by Sends, but do not forward this to the connected Aux. Inserts in the Bus operate only *until* the 'forbidden' send loop is assigned, even across more than one Bus/Aux combo. This is so consistent, that i can hardly take it as an oversight. But then, what do i know. As soon as we dare to tread the line, we are rigorously called back like the watchdog on its chain. I do not like this. Christian Do you have UTM on or off ? -- homepage http://uk.geocities.com/christianobermaier/home.htm