--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, Roger King <kingcustard@b...> wrote: >I would have VCA groups for > drums, vocals, keys, guitars and so on, and maybe another level of > group master which in turn controlled all group masters except > vocals so that I could easily fade the backing track and leave the > vocals intact. In that kind of scenario (which is far from > excessive) the effect send sub-mixes soon pile up. Yes, but it's not as unmanageable as you think. You're using 1 bus per submix, plus one linked bus per submix track effect send, plus one bus per effect. But you don't ever need to see all those linked submix send masters, they're just slaves & you can move all those way off to the right or down out of view somewhere. You wind up looking at one bus fader per submix. Depending on your specific mix of effect sends and submixes, you can of course exhaust Platinum's 64 available busses. I could make a strong case for 128 or 256 busses in Logic. The scenario you describe above should be quite manageable, assuming the individual tracks of a submix are sending to roughly the same set of bussed effects, since you'll need one linked send-master for each effect used in a submix. If you need wildly different effect sends on each individual track of a submix, and you also have lots of submixes, then you'll likely run out of busses. A decent "trim" mode for groups would certainly be preferable, but if you need to do the job now, the linked-bus solution works well enough, and isn't too time-consuming to set up, especially if you build it into your Autoload as a set of generic submixes. John Pitcairn ----------------------------------------------------------------- Got midi fader/knob hardware? Want to control & automate Logic 5? Fadermapper environment demo: http://www.revolver.co.nz/fadermapper/ v2.0 arriving soon, with Logic 6, motorfader & rotary dial support... -----------------------------------------------------------------