Brian, I hope this is not your problem, cause I don't believe there is a way around the problem. However, I think you need to check the digi sight for compatible chip sets and then check the chip set in your computer. There is a free utility available online that will give you this info. I had the same problem with a laptop (PC) I bought hoping to use it for PT. Basically, the chipset I have is not compatible with PT and I got the old blue screen when trying to open PT. Mine has to do with the USB and an "error" in the USB bus implementation and timing, which for most devices is not a problem, but for audio... Hope this helps. Chris Neal :: Elephant Media Productions .: http://www.elephantmedia.com .: cneal@elephantmedia.com .: 806.252.1977 --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@...> wrote: > > Brian Woodland <[ mailto:Brian.Woodland%40standardbank.co.za ]Brian.Woodland@...> writes: > >I have recently purchased an MBox2 (Factory) with Pro Tools 7, > >and I have installed onto a freshly formatted hard drive with plenty > >of space. Problem is, every time I try to launch ProTools, my PC > >crashes and re-boots itself. > > This mail-list is for users of Logic software with TDM hardware > on a Mac, so, it's not very likely that you'll get help for ProTools > software with LE hardware on Windows. > > > > > f-erenc szabo, smarty pants > Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T > "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" > <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> > > > > > >

Ok i've isolated the problem to be : 1- Waveburner hangs up when i have it enable as a supported app for coreaudio on my 10.3.9 protools drive. I unchecked it from core and it was fine, then i re-added it as a supported app and it was fine,,,,BUT today, its NOT fine. Still hangning up auscan auparametriceq. 2- on my 10.3.4 Protools drive, using coreaudio it doesnt hang up at all. Thanks for the info on the earlier question, now i have it isolated more. Anyway to do a clean install on waveburner? I guess there's no way to disable apple's plugs on boot, like we can in logic, by holding the control key on boot we enable/disable audio engines. Any ideas? thanks mike

Posted by: "Nick Batzdorf" recording@earthlink.net nickbatzdorf2000 Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:54 pm (PST) Posted by: "Adam" forums@logic-users.org lug_forums Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:47 pm (PST) > How do i synch logic and protools so they run simultaneously? Send MIDI Time Code from one to the other over an IAC bus. IAC (Inter Application Communication) is a virtual MIDI bus. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher I have personally found it is more reliable to connect the midi in and the midi out of a channel on your midi interface and create an object in the OSX audio midi setup, I call it "sync", I then use this as the way to send mtc to Logic from PT (remember to check "send mtc" and "allow PT to be controlled by MMC" in PT and check "autosync" and "MMC" in Logic's synch window. I have succesfully used this procedure for 10 years and it has been the most reliable method. It has always been a drag that to have "real" creative midi that Logic was sooo much better and to have "real" rock-solid audio PT was sooo much better but I have to report that with the, modestly titled 7.3, PT has just stepped up to the plate as far as midi functionality and tthat "x factor" creative edge that hitherto has been Logic's domain. Phil Jackson's free "accelerated" video demos on the digidesign web page have helped big time. As much as I have loved Logic as a "starting point" app for composing and creating music over the years, I've suddenly found PT a worthy and powerful substitute alveit without the huge range of VIs but with rock-solid audio and functionality. James Hall musician/composer www.soundtraxnz.com

Maybe the problem is with Pro Tools CoreAudio. Digi has not approved 10.3.9 for Pro Tools. 10.3.8 is the latest approved version of 10.3. You could try rolling back to 10.3.8 and see if it works. I use WaveBurner 7.1.1 with PT 6.9 and OS X 10.3.8 and it works fine. Here's another thought - do you use auparametriceq in your Logic songs? If not, you could try disabling that plugin - move it to a different folder. - Dave On Jan 15, 2007, at 11:20 AM, catmandoo62 wrote: > Ok > > i've isolated the problem to be : > > 1- Waveburner hangs up when i have it enable as a supported app for > coreaudio on my 10.3.9 protools drive. I unchecked it from core and it > was fine, then i re-added it as a supported app and it was fine,,,,BUT > today, its NOT fine. Still hangning up auscan auparametriceq. > > 2- on my 10.3.4 Protools drive, using coreaudio it doesnt hang up > at all. > > Thanks for the info on the earlier question, now i have it isolated > more. > > Anyway to do a clean install on waveburner? > I guess there's no way to disable apple's plugs on boot, like we can > in logic, by holding the control key on boot we enable/disable audio > engines. > > > > Any ideas? > > thanks > > mike > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Is there QT 7 on your 10.3.9 partition? There was a QT7 issue (itunes and protools) and subsequent reverse installer to rectify this a while back. For the most part I support the idea that the OS 10.3.9 and PT coreaudio driver (which is considered to be iffy anyway) are incompatible, my PT mix system was perpetually unstable on 10.3.9 and I reinstalled 10.3.4.

+1 on that. I remember tearing my hair out over my first gigasampler to find out many many many headaches later that the issue was the non-intel chipset. Digidesign has been the leader in stability because of its dedication to compatibility testing and disclosure. Chances are if the compatibility documents don¹t list your computer/chipset that is the issue. They have even been forthright about Mac issues in the past, eg quicksilver g4s and Digi 001. --

Everybody comments upon how unstable the ESB software is. Furthermore it seems to be fixed and then broken again with each iteration of Logic/Pro Tools. What if one had the option within the Logic native engine to do a bounce, ntirely within the native option, using native plugins? The output could be Digidesign compatible files that could be very easily imported into the DAE engine, as run by Logic? This gets around the perennially buggy bridge. No need for Core Audio and its hardware. Bob Vandiver

Just wondering if it is indeed possible that they still haven't fixed the function that searches your disk for lost audiofiles? Out of the available choices 'skip', 'search' and 'manually' the option 'search' will definitely force-quit logic (without message) and sometimes hard crash the entire mac ("you need to restart your computer by pressing the power button...") I just can't believe this still hasn't been fixed in LOGIC pro 7.2.3?? or is it a combination of DAE and OS that I am using? Thanks Brio

Posted by: "Adam" forums@logic-users.org lug_forums Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:47 pm (PST) > How do i synch logic and protools so they run simultaneously? Posted by: "Nick Batzdorf" recording@earthlink.net nickbatzdorf2000 Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:54 pm (PST) > Send MIDI Time Code from one to the other over an IAC bus. IAC (Inter > Application Communication) is a virtual MIDI bus. Posted by: "James Hall" jim@soundtrax.co.nz marketis12 Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:27 pm (PST) > I have personally found it is more reliable to connect the midi in > and the midi out of a channel on your midi interface and create an > object in the OSX audio midi setup When's the last time you tried IAC MIDI, James, and what OS X version are you running on what machine? I use it all the time on a 2 x 2.5 G5, and I can tell you that it's 100% set-and-forget reliable, day in and day out. Not an issue in the world. Likewise I use MIDI Over LAN instead of hardware MIDI interfaces for my slave computers too. USB MIDI interfaces have a history of being a huge pain in the ass, frankly. There's absolutely no reason to use cables on the same computer anymore. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

"bob_vandiver" <bobv@easystreet.com> wrote: >What if one had the option within the Logic native engine to do a >bounce, ntirely within the native option, using native plugins? > >The output could be Digidesign compatible files that could be very >easily imported into the DAE engine, as run by Logic? This gets around >the perennially buggy bridge. No need for Core Audio and its hardware. DTDM has the same bounce and track export options as CoreAudio has. I think what you're asking about is the option to render each DTDM track as audio, and then import this audio all on DAE audio tracks? f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@...> wrote: > > "bob_vandiver" <bobv@...> wrote: > >What if one had the option within the Logic native engine to do a > >bounce, ntirely within the native option, using native plugins? > > > >The output could be Digidesign compatible files that could be very > >easily imported into the DAE engine, as run by Logic? This gets around > >the perennially buggy bridge. No need for Core Audio and its hardware. > > DTDM has the same bounce and track export options as > CoreAudio has. > > I think what you're asking about is the option to render each > DTDM track as audio, and then import this audio all on > DAE audio tracks? > > > > f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Forgive me but I have not actually been able to sit down with Logic TDM for a couple of years. When I used to use it I thought that all one could do on the DTDM side was to pipe this through ESB to DAE and then out, that there was no way to bounce purely within the native engine. If I am wrong about this I will eat my hat. Uh, no, I won't. If one can bounce in the manner I describe (and you infer) then I fail to see the point of all that expensive light pipe hardware as the way around ESB. Then again, my way of working is to bounce all individual tracks to non-interleaved 24 bit files then import these into DAE anyway. Bob Vandiver

A client of mine doing high-profile music for picture work needs someone to operate and/or teach Logic Pro for him. Would suit someone who knows Logic backwards, especially working to picture (using Core Audio). Anyone interested please drop me a line urgently: jon at poseidonmusic.com Thanks! Jon Jon Cotton Poseidon contact | jon@poseidonmusic.com | T: +44 (0) 121 249 0598 | F+44 (0) 709 214 8920 | M: +44 (0) 774 701 2208

Bob the problem is that in doing that , which is already possible in logic, you are committed to the part you bounce and if you need to amend any of the parts you must change the sequence, or tempo which is pretty common for film/TV guys, and then re bounce each affected track. Not too time consuming for someone who makes a 10 track record every two years like a pop group, but very time consuming for a composer who is doing an hour show weekly. All audio files are digidesign friendly, SDII, AIFF, WAV etc, so the issue with logic is not file compatibility rather how to get information from one audio engine to another. Its like having a mackie connected to your SSL, and two separate tape machines synched together. Sequencers need to be dynamic and transparent and enable you to work without the confines of creating work arounds. I am surprised that digidesign or some third party has not made an ESB equivalent that is stable, but like apple Digi is focused on perpetuating their brand .

If you turn off the Project Manager Database while having the DAE engine enabled, it works, otherwise it crashes Logic. regards. Vico On Jan 16, 2007, at 6:12 PM, brio wrote: > Just wondering if it is indeed possible that they still haven't fixed > the function that searches your disk for lost audiofiles? > Out of the available choices 'skip', 'search' and 'manually' the > option 'search' will definitely force-quit logic (without message) > and sometimes hard crash the entire mac ("you need to restart your > computer by pressing the power button...") > > I just can't believe this still hasn't been fixed in LOGIC pro 7.2.3?? > > or is it a combination of DAE and OS that I am using? > > Thanks > Brio > >

> "bob_vandiver" <bobv@...> wrote: > >What if one had the option within the Logic native engine to do a > >bounce, ntirely within the native option, using native plugins? > > > >The output could be Digidesign compatible files that could be very > >easily imported into the DAE engine, as run by Logic? This gets around > >the perennially buggy bridge. No need for Core Audio and its hardware. f-erenc writes: > DTDM has the same bounce and track export options as > CoreAudio has. > I think what you're asking about is the option to render each > DTDM track as audio, and then import this audio all on > DAE audio tracks? "bob_vandiver" <bobv@easystreet.com> writes: >Forgive me but I have not actually been able to sit down with Logic >TDM for a couple of years. When I used to use it I thought that all >one could do on the DTDM side was to pipe this through ESB to DAE and >then out, that there was no way to bounce purely within the native >engine. If I am wrong about this I will eat my hat. Uh, no, I won't. A straw hat is probably the most edible. "bob_vandiver" <bobv@easystreet.com> writes: >If one can bounce in the manner I describe (and you infer) then I fail >to see the point of all that expensive light pipe hardware as the way >around ESB. Then again, my way of working is to bounce all individual >tracks to non-interleaved 24 bit files then import these into DAE anyway. The difference is that one is realtime and the other isn't. That's major. I don't export my tracks to be mixed in another context. I mix as I go along, and by the time I'm ready to do "the mix", I'm definitely not starting from zero. Gone is the old paradigm of constantly telling the client "it'll sound logical after it's mixed". There are too many times way before "the mix" that I'll be blending stuff so that we have an idea that it's working or not. And in overdubbing subsequent tracks, some kind of coherent mix typically needs to exist. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

Skylabfilmpop and F-erenc, Thanks very much for your help. And thoughts. Bob Vandiver -- "This [email] may contain some peanut products. Run for your lives, you pussies" - Stephen Colbert, July 12,2006

You are welcome. The ability to mix midi and virtual instruments in real time is a great boon to producers of every genre. Saves loads of time and allows you to change,correct augment arrangements with ease. Several years ago the same work process was embraced by those with sequencers and loads of outboard gear and hardware synths. Luckily these days you can do most of it in the box but if you choose to use protools hardware with Logic there is a small tradeoff/workaround. That said, an additional $600 or so on top of a $10K Protools system and a $3-4K computer is really not too much of an added expense. And in perspective to throwing down $20 ­250K for a board and tape machine plus $100 a reel for 15 minutes of tape, its downright cheap. If you are not exceptionally deep in your midi implementation you will be quite pleased with protools 7.3 which is leaps and bounds beyond even PT 6.9 midi implementation. Digital performer also has great integration of DAE as its audio engine using RTAS for native plug ins and VI¹s, all without the lightpipe gobbledygook.

Anyone heard of anything so far with compatibility of LOGIC PRO with TDM on an intel MAC??? I had thought at NAMM something would have been mentioned. Sorry for the rant, but I am frustrated with Apple's lack of service to audio professionals at this point given the last several months of misadvertising and erronous support. Thanks.

Hi all Dave wrote that i should try disabling the auparametric eq, however i dont know how. Where is it? I think thats part of the logic install no? Symptoms are this: Core audio on Waveburner dont open, freezes when it gets to auparametric eq. Once or twice i removed and re-added waveburner as a supported app, but it more often than not isnt working. I am using QT7, and i gave up trying to revert back to an earlier one, although maybe thats the problem, i dont know, someone wrote that. I am using osx 10.3.9 on this drive. Waveburner doesnt have this problem with my 10.3.4 drive using coreaudio. Any ideas? Is it possible to remove that AU parametric eq plug? thanks mike

> Dave wrote that i should try disabling the auparametric eq, however i > dont know how. Where is it? I think thats part of the logic install no? I am not in my studio right now, so can't check whether it is a part of Logic or the OS itself or a third-party plug... Anyway, check HD:/Library/Audio/Plug-ins/Components and if you find it there just drag it to some other location and see if it fixes the problem. Best, Andy

Hey mike Your problem is with almost absolute certainty Quicktime 7 and the digi coreaudio driver. When I had os 10.3.9/qt7 on my dual 1.25 g4 with a mix system it was total chaos. Protools crashed, logic crashed, quicktime movies did not open in Logic/PT, and I tunes crashed on start up. Reverting to the earlier qt fixed my itunes but there were still issues, some of which cleared up by trashing the coreaudio driver which if you google it is notoriously buggy at the 6.4 revision. Everything cleared up when on the advice of Digidesign support I reverted to 10.3.4. As you mentioned before waveburner works on 10.3.4, which is coincidentally the last OS approved by digi for mix systems. I believe the AU plugs are part of the OS, but you can disable them via logic pro>Preferences>Logic Pro AU Manager. I don¹t know however if that will effect them outside of logic itself. The best workaround I can think of is to create a partition for logic/PT using 10.3.4 and a newer one for other apps. Unfortunately the differences between OS revisions these days are much more significant than the os 9 days and usually compatibility requirements issued by manufacturers are pretty accurate. Personally the rigid lack of backward revision is very frustrating to me as well.

Hi, all - After using Logic via Core Audio for the last year or so, I recently managed to get things configured to run via DAE/TDM/DTDM over my Digidesign hardware (ProTools Mix|plus system.) Now I find that when I open an older Core Audio session, I have to go through a tedious process of reassigning tracks to the new audio system, re-instantiating plug-ins and instruments, and reloading patches, samples, etc. Is there an easire way to convert a Core Audio session to run via TDM without having to go through this whole manual rigamarole? thanks, Dan Stein www.dansteingroup.com www.myspace.com/dansteingroup

> Is there an easire way to convert a Core Audio session to run via TDM > without having to go through this whole manual rigamarole? > > thanks, > Dan Stein Dan, this has been discussed quite recently and in great detail. A search should give you all the details. Regards, James Richmond

Great, thanks, James. (puts on miner's helmet, starts mailing-list spelunking> Dan Stein www.dansteingroup.com www.myspace.com/dansteingroup On Jan 24, 2007, at 11:18 AM, James Richmond wrote: > >> Is there an easire way to convert a Core Audio session to run via TDM >> without having to go through this whole manual rigamarole? >> >> thanks, >> Dan Stein > > Dan, > > this has been discussed quite recently and in great detail. > A search should give you all the details. > > Regards, > > James Richmond > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

I've tried to install Protools 7.3.1 but now I always get different DAE-errors in Logic 7.2.3 Who is already working with Logic 7.2.3 and Protools 7.3.1 on PPC (not intel?) Is it working fine? How have you installed it? Only Protools 7.3.1 above an older version of protools or everything (also Logic) from scratch? I work in Logic with DAE en DTDM enabled (no core audio). Any help is appreciated! Wim HD3, G5 dual 2,7 ghz, Protools 7.1cs10, Logic 7.2.3, 192, 96, 2x96i