First a word of thanks to all who post. The LUG is a wonderful resource. I'm running PT/TDM along side LP/Core Audio via IAC with lightpipe audio out into 96io on a G5 single. With LP slaved to PT MIDI clock and both tempi set by hand, the sync is solid. A problem arises when LP is slaved to PT MTC. The tempo window on LP shows a +/- 3% fluctuation and sounds so as well. If anyone is running a similar setup and has worked through this issue, I could use a hand. Thanks Mike

Currently on HD2/Quad/723 - but previous versions all had the same problem. Drawing in Hyperdraw volume moves to control bus levels never works in sync with the rest of the song. It makes the moves considerably ahead of where you write them. Anyone else come across this or have any advice please!?

On 22/12/2006, at 1:14 PM, Robert Prizeman wrote: > Message posted by Robert Prizeman <rp@robertprizeman.fsnet.co.uk>: > > Currently on HD2/Quad/723 - but previous versions all had the same > problem. > Drawing in Hyperdraw volume moves to control bus levels never works in > sync > with the rest of the song. It makes the moves considerably ahead of > where > you write them. Anyone else come across this or have any advice > please!? I noticed this many years ago when using a bus to fade a commercial to 30 seconds and kept ending up with 29.5 second mixes. Haven't checked it lately, but I guess it's still the same bug: number seven million on the long list of bugs that have been around since Day One and never been fixed and most likely never will be. So the short answer: you're stuck with it! Ian ------------------------------ Ian G. Morris - Tonewright ian@igmusic.co.nz http://www.igmusic.co.nz http://www.thdudes.co.nz

A decent workaround is to assign an arrange window track to the bus you want to automate. Insert a blank region with the pencil and extend to the duration of the track. Turn on the blue region hyperdraw mode and automate a sharp volume dip down to 0db on a beat you know there's a transient. Use the region track delay parameter to find the point your envelope is triggering at the right point. Now you can draw automation with decent resolution within that region. Can work on any plug-in parameter the track automation can. If you add plugs with latency to that bus, simple adjust the delay parameter (positive or negative delay) of the region. It's a few extra steps, but not too bad while running multiple audio systems. Dean Bailin -- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, igMusic <igmusic@...> wrote: > > > On 22/12/2006, at 1:14 PM, Robert Prizeman wrote: > > > Message posted by Robert Prizeman <rp@...>: > > > > Currently on HD2/Quad/723 - but previous versions all had the same > > problem. > > Drawing in Hyperdraw volume moves to control bus levels never works in > > sync > > with the rest of the song. It makes the moves considerably ahead of > > where > > you write them. Anyone else come across this or have any advice > > please!? > > I noticed this many years ago when using a bus to fade a commercial to > 30 seconds and kept ending up with 29.5 second mixes. Haven't checked > it lately, but I guess it's still the same bug: number seven million on > the long list of bugs that have been around since Day One and never > been fixed and most likely never will be. > > So the short answer: you're stuck with it! > > > Ian > > ------------------------------ > Ian G. Morris - Tonewright > ian@... > http://www.igmusic.co.nz > http://www.thdudes.co.nz >

Would this also be helped by turning plug-in delay compensation all the way on (all)? Or is the delay your getting on the TDM side of things? Jamie

And don't forget to have "Sample Accurate Automation" enabled in preferences-->audio-->general for all types of automation... ________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ Jonathan Perl • Associate Director, Sonic Arts Center at the City College of New York. sonic.arts.ccny.cuny.edu • Apple Certified Trainer for Logic Pro. Apple Authorized Training Center. www.macaudiotrainers.com • Get the ultimate Logic training DVD, Inside Logic Pro 7.1. www.digitalmediatraining.com/products/logicpro7/ • Get the Wired Planet CD or MP3s: store.wiredplanetstore.com ________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________

I'm on a HD3 Accell/PT 7.2/G5 2x2,7/10.4.8/Logic 7.2 rig. I want to add an interface to get 16 or more lightpipe Core Audio channels into my Digi interfaces, to avoid the ESB limits/issues. I've been looking at the M-Audio ProFire Lightbridge, but it seems to have difficulties with sharing the FW bus with other units, eg harddrives. Another solution would be an expansion chassis, to free up some PCI-slots. I've been adviced to stay away from those chassis, but if it'd work it would give me a number of options, such as PCI-cards or a FW-card to give the ProFire Lightbridge mentioned above a bus of it's own, etc. Regarding FW busses: I read at Gearslutz that "G5 architecture has all firewire ports (and USB) connected to one pci lane, so there is your bottleneck". http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t˜142&highlight=lightbridge I already have lots of USB and FW items connected, so I guess I have to try to avoid more strain on that PCI lane... I also noticed that even with powered USB-hubs it's easy to hit the roof with 5-10 items, although theoretically you should be able to connect a lot more to a USB-chain, due to the computer's bottleneck. (I've also considered a Liquid Mix, but on Focusrite's homepage they strongly recommend the Liquid Mix to be connected to a FW bus of it's own.) A third possible? solution would be to put my external sample lib FW drives on my old G4 and stream audio from them over a gigabit ethernet-network??? If that is option, the ProFire Lightbridge would have a FW-bus of it's own. I would be grateful for some opinions from users with similar rigs. Thanks in advance, Hakan

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Hi Jonathan and all, On Dec 27, 2006, at 7:01 PM, Jonathan Perl wrote: > (I'm > working on having someone from Apogee to be present in addition to > Steve and I.) Have you (or anyone) tested the Ensemble against 192 I/O or 96 I/O? How do they compare sonically? Thanks in advance. Best, Andy

> > (I'm working on having someone from Apogee to be present in addition to > > Steve and I.) > > Have you (or anyone) tested the Ensemble against 192 I/O or 96 I/O? > How do they compare sonically? Thanks in advance. > > Best, > > Andy Hi Andy I have an Ensemble running Logic Pro and DP, along with a 96 i/o on an HD system. Ensemble sounds a bit better, a little punchier and clearer, than the 96 i/o. However, Ensemble requires some manual fiddling to setup each time I turn on the studio (manually have to hit the power button, lunch Maestro, etc.), and I have had some issues with it dropping off line in sessions (though with the newer beta driver that's not happening as much). HD with the 96 i/o is no-fiddling, just always up and running. So, for the most part, we (home studio, wife and I) just run HD and/or LP/ DP in DAE mode, with the 96 i/o. However, I like to use the Ensemble digital outs into the 96 i/o for the Ensemble preamps. That works well, and I clock off the Ensemble as master which also probably helps too. Not sure if I'm going to keep the Ensemble as I really prefer the gear I use to remember settings each time I power up. MOTU and Digi's i/o boxes all do that. Not sure why Ensemble can't. Oh, and by the way: The sonic quality between the MOTU Traveler and Ensemble is not as great as I was hoping to get. In my not very scientific testings between the two boxes, I think I hear a slight improvement in sound through my Mackie 824s when using the Ensemble, but that might be my imagination. To test the two boxes, I need to power down each time, re-patch some power cords, power up, and try and set the monitoring level the same. The sound between the two boxes is pretty close. Craig

Hi all, a short question: which is the last version of Logic running stable with a digidesign Mix System (PT 6.4.) on OS X? I am thinking about doing the jump from a good running OS 9 to OS 10.3.9. Is this clever? Best, Matthias.

Hi Matthias, On Dec 29, 2006, at 2:36 AM, Matthias Frank wrote: > a short question: which is the last version of Logic running stable > with a digidesign Mix System (PT 6.4.) on OS X? 7.1.1. > I am thinking about > doing the jump from a good running OS 9 to OS 10.3.9. Is this clever? Digi didn't aprove anything higher than 10.3.4. However many of us work on 10.3.9 without a single problem. I guess I'd stay away from upgrading Quicktime from 6.5.2 if I had a choice though... Best, Andy

Hi Andy, thanks for the answer. What are the main-bugs with 7.1.1 which are really annoying? Does ESB is working there as smooth as on OS 9 or still buggy? And is 7.1.1 really working with the DAEs for Protools 6.4 or do I need to update also Protools? Best, Matthias Frank.

Hi Matthias, > What are the main-bugs with 7.1.1 which are > really annoying? It's relatively stable and works fine (except for ESB) if you know its quirks... For instance, I don't put my HDs to sleep, so I've never experienced the dreaded "don't go to lunch" bug. > Does ESB is working there as smooth as on OS 9 or > still buggy? Didn't work the last time I tried (long long time ago), so I'm not the best person to ask... > And is 7.1.1 really working with the DAEs for Protools 6.4 or do I need > to update also Protools? 6.4.1 is the last version that supports Mix hardware. Best, Andy

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "maxxbigg" <lblaske@...> wrote: > > You just know that there will probably be some new plug-ins, too. > > Lee Blaske > I really don't know Lee, but I supposed some will be added as usual :) Lionel

On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Andy Hardwake wrote: > > > Does ESB is working there as smooth as on OS 9 or > > still buggy? Buggy AND the same. Sometimes "going to lunch" makes it crash or distort, but in the second case if you instantiate an EXS24 on the ESB strip and then remove it it's all back to normal. In general the move you're considering is a good one, especially because so many VI's and samples are written for OSX. You can get many more years out of your MIX plus this way and even add another card or 888/24 for next to nothing, while using the same sounds everyone else does. If you don't mind staying at 24bit, it seems fine. I'm on a G4 dual 1.25. OSX 10.3.9. Logic 7.1.1, PT 6.4, MIX cubed. I use it exhaustively all the time.

Hi Greg, > On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:46 AM, Greg Critchley wrote: > > Buggy AND the same. Sometimes "going to lunch" makes it crash or > distort Do you ever put your CPU or HDs to sleep? Do you use FW or ATA drives for audio? Best, Andy

I am. So far no problems, but it's still early. On Dec 8, 2006, at 10:51 PM, ativity2003 wrote: > anyone try this yet? > > thx > > Mark > > >

Hi Andy- I use Lacie FW drives - suggestions? Are we off topic? Thanks Greg On Dec 29, 2006, at 9:05 AM, andyhardwake@mac.com wrote: > Do you ever put your CPU or HDs to sleep? Do you use FW or ATA drives > for audio?

On Friday, December 29, 2006, at 4:12 PM, "Greg Critchley" <greg@gregcritchley.com> wrote: > I use Lacie FW drives - suggestions? Are we off topic? Not really... I'm just trying to understand what may cause the "don't go to lunch" bug other than putting the CPU and HDs to sleep... I was thinking of adding some FW drives to my setup (currently I have 4 internal ATA drives). Anyone else using FW drives still have the thing? Best, Andy

Hi all, it seems to me that there are still some Mix-users out there. We are getting lonely! But who cares. One thing: was it a big improvement in stability to do the jump from Logic 6.4 to 7.1.1. Or only some more softsynths and the same stability problems? Also I have read that the sound quality of the ESBs are not so good in OS X than in OS9. Any impressions? Best, Matthias.

Matthias: I recently pgraded to HD 2 from a MIX 3 system. Honestly, as I mix in 24 bit 44.1 ther eisn't any big difference. My OS 9 system was much more stable. As I had to buy an intel mac I had to upgrade also and LOGIC doesnt even work with TDM on that platform as of yet which was a huge issue with me. You have a great system, use it for all its worth.

--- khaarmeyer@aol.com wrote: > Matthias: > > I recently pgraded to HD 2 from a MIX 3 system. > Honestly, as I mix in 24 > bit 44.1 ther eisn't any big difference. My OS 9 > system was much more stable. > As I had to buy an intel mac I had to upgrade also > and LOGIC doesnt even > work with TDM on that platform as of yet which was a > huge issue with me. You > have a great system, use it for all its worth. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > Hey Mattias The obstacle to upgrading to an os X Mix based system at this point is getting the correct software and VI versions to use with os 10.3.4 the last approved OS for PT mix/DAE 6.4. a year or so ago it was like pulling teeth to get 10.3.4 versions of NI plug ins I was using in OS 9 and recently impossible to purchase a 10.3.4 compatible version of quicktime pro from apple. I can't imagine that a compatible version of Logic can be purchased other than ebay right now. My inclination would be to wait to see if the dae support makes its way into the intel version of logic and then do a global PT/Logic upgrade or run logic natively on a new G5 and stem into your PT computer. My current logic 7.1 and PT Mix 6.4 system is fairly stable but many features don't work, esb is pretty unusable and required the purchase of a second interface to bus coreaudio native tracks and instruments into the PT mixer. Headache-alistic-al to set up and debug if you ask me. If OS 9 works for you now stick with it as you will lose all of your PT plugs (cracked or not) and gain little functionality although IMO OS 10 sounds a little glossier. Good luck. MATT >

I have a Mac 9500, 144mghz G3, 1, 2 gig and one 8 gig HD, and all my old mix software etc. WIll sell for best offer plus shipping.....great for PT mix system........Lonny Jarrett PS can include some external HD's of various sizes......

Hi and thanks to all the guys who gave me good advices, thanks a lot. I think you are right, that the OS 9, because it is working really well, is more interesting than special plug-ins which are developed at the moment only for OSX or HD systems. I should use what I have - you are right. But every half a year I start thinking if it is now a good time to make the jump. Mmh, thanks a lot for your help. I use a lot of ESB stuff to get whole classical orchestras into the DAE surrounding. And as far as I can see the ESB still doesn' t work (and maybe never!). Some of the new plug-ins are fantastic, but they made in the last decade also good music with the old DAW like mine. The plug-ins don't make the music. Thanks and a happy and successful new year, Matthias.