Sorry to cover, kinda covered ground, but....... Does anyone have the digidesign chassis working with the esb bridge in logic, I know officially its not supported, but I have heard or more than one person using it, can anyone help me? I wanna put my cards in a chassis but not really sure if its viable as I wanna keep using logic and the esb. Thanks Piers Bailey logic 7.2 Dual 2ghz G5 4GB Ram HD2 96 i/o

I appreciate the thoughts. Unfortunately, when I use PT (which is frequently) , the added features of 7.2 are important. I think I'll hang on grimly.

Hi I am mixing a long, 5 min, percussion heavy cue, and am getting a lot of errors. Principly the addition of drum parts in the middle of a pre existing midi region on DFH2 track is causing the following drum parts to play a measure or so late. Anyone else experience this. I use DFH2 in multi output mode and all other VI tracks, some others NI stormdrum, ESX and a couple apple loops tracks (shaker/Tamb). Not very heavy in this regard at all. I suspected initially a problem going to my adat bridge from my motu 828 being the culprit but all other VI tracks are in time. This ocurrs when all other tracks are muted and when used in stereo (as opposed to multi output) mode. Also after doing the additional drum programmimg I noticed the tracks midi offset value represented by an asterix in stead of a "0","-192" etc.

> From: Piers Bailey <forums@logic-users.org> > > Does anyone have the digidesign chassis working with the esb bridge in > logic, I know officially its not supported, but I have heard or more than > one person using it, can anyone help me? > Hi Piers Here's my experience of it: If you use the Digi 64-bit chassis (which is a re-badged Magma unit), you'll be fine. If you use the Digi HD|Expansion chassis (which is their own product, and is a second computer, attached by an Ethernet connection), then it doesn't work at all. Hope that helps! -- The best of times to you all... Pants

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "mcdsp99" <colin@...> wrote: > Ok now all of you go demo this thing !!! No AU (yet), but dang, a TDM synth will offload > some use from your Logic rigs. And now ours at least comes with some presets !! Does that mean that AU versions are coming? warm regards. vico

Hey, Has anyone had this problem when using .bwf as your recording file type? When pulling up some recent mixes in BarbaBatch for conversion, 5 out of 23 mixes had the following error: E210-3m14_TRK_1184612.L.wav has corrupt chunksize They would not convert. They play fine in Logic, where they were created (24/48/.bwf). Sometimes trimming the end of the file fixes it, sometimes I have to remix. Problem seems random. Just thought I'd try .bwf as that's what my delivery is, but maybe back to SD2 now. Is working in .bwf known to be problematic in Logic? Any insight appreciated. Thanks Mark Logic 7.2.3/DAE 7.2.1/OS10.4.6

Hi All Logic 7.2 PT 7.1cs10 HD3 G5 dual 2gig 4 gig Ram OSX 10.4.6 I have been using Logic-TDM successfully now for a short time. Except I have a very frustrating crashing problem. If I instanciate more than one TDM plugin on a track the song continues to work fine, but it crashes when I next try to load it. It doesn't matter what the second plugin is, the same thing always happens. The song starts to load and then hangs on 'Mixer Setup' - which you don't normally see because it happens so fast. The crash is bad, and sometimes only a hard boot will get me going again. The only way I can reload the song is to remove the TDM plugin that was used in the second slot from the Plugin folder. Very frustrating when I feel I'm so close to having a really great system. Hope you guys can help me with this. Thanks. Keith.

Hi all: Our next NYLPUG meeting will be with legendary producer/engineer Bob Power. I may have sent an announcement about this as happening on 1/22/07, but the date is now finalized for 1/15/07, 6 PM, Dale Pro Audio, 22. W. 19th St., in Manhattan, NYC. As always, please RSVP if you intend to come, and keep me updated if you can't attend, as space is limited. RSVP to jonathan@nylpug.com. For those not near NYC, we intend to videotape and podcast the meeting. One of our members is currently editing our previous meeting, with producer/songwriter Toby Gad, which was excellent Details on the new NYLPUG website, www.nylpug.com. Look forward to seeing many of you in the new year. Jonathan Plug: Mac Audio Trainers November course: we have one or two spots available for our 5-day crash certification course, (101 and 301) to be held 11/28-12/2. Stay tuned for information about an upcoming Logic day, Saturday Feb. 10th, preceded the night before by a Logic party;), at the Manhattan Producers Alliance, in ....... Mnahattan! ________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ Jonathan Perl • Associate Director, Sonic Arts Center at the City College of New York. sonic.arts.ccny.cuny.edu • Apple Certified Trainer for Logic Pro. Apple Authorized Training Center. www.macaudiotrainers.com • Get the ultimate Logic training DVD, Inside Logic Pro 7.1. www.digitalmediatraining.com/products/logicpro7/ • Get the Wired Planet CD or MP3s: store.wiredplanetstore.com ________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________

Hi all I have been getting DAE error codes (9060 I think) when I try to use recycle audio on coreaudio tracks which subsequently shuts down DAE. Is this a bit depth/resolution issue? Currently using logic 7.1 with PT 6.4 MIX on a g4 dual 1.25 OS 10.3.9. If this is a bit depth/resolution problem, is there an import and convert function I don't see? Thanks

Hello, What is the primary reason that some people use logic as a front end for pro tools. Also, could someone tell me what the main pros and cons are? Faithful regards

I had this once..do a search on your computer and check that your "REX SHARED LIBRARY" is up to date Mark --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "matt mckenna" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by matt mckenna <skylabfilmpop@...>: > > Hi all > > I have been getting DAE error codes (9060 I think) when I try to use recycle > audio on coreaudio tracks which subsequently shuts down DAE. Is this a bit > depth/resolution issue? Currently using logic 7.1 with PT 6.4 MIX on a g4 > dual 1.25 OS 10.3.9. If this is a bit depth/resolution problem, is there an > import and convert function I don't see? Thanks >

In Brief. People use Logic as a Front End for Pro Tools because it gives them access to a few important things. Zero Latency Recording TDM Plug-ins 48 bit fixed signal path. Not all of the functionality that you have in Pro Tools is included in Logic, but most of the important ones are there. On Nov 18, 2006, at 11:47 PM, my name wrote: > Message posted by my name <streetlight4@verizon.net>: > > Hello, > > What is the primary reason that some people use logic as a > front end for > pro tools. Also, could someone tell me what the main pros and cons > are? > > > Faithful > regards > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

..yup I know this is a blast from the past but I remember a post that said some of you had managed to complete the tedious task of saving the HDTM presets for Space Designer and wondered if anyone could email them to me if its not too much bother.... A virtual pint awaits you in cyberspace... Cheers Ged www.jackshoosemusic.com

On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Evan Benjamin wrote: > I appreciate the thoughts. Unfortunately, when I use PT (which is > frequently) , the added features of 7.2 are important. I think I'll > hang on grimly. > I notice that PT 7.2cs2 just came out. Curious if you've tried it, and whether or not the problem is fixed. Even though I already bought 7.2, I'm hanging onto PT 7.1 until the coast is clear. Lee Blaske

Bob DeMaa <bobdemaa@mac.com> wrote: > In Brief. People use Logic as a Front End for Pro Tools because it > gives them access to a few important things. > Zero Latency Recording TDM Plug-ins 48 bit fixed signal path. > Not all of the functionality that you have in Pro Tools is > included in Logic, but most of the important ones are there. Hello, Thanks very much for the reply. What is the signal path in logic? 32bit floating? Do you know why 48 point is considered superior? I understand the importance of the zero latency recording issue. Is it actually zero in tdm? Is there also less latency when using logic's software synths and samplers than when using them "native"? How about the tdm softsynths and samplers? Are there any notable problems when using logic with tdm? Thanks. Faithful regards

In the tests I've performed, 48 bit fixed signal path sounds better than 32 bit floating. But to be completely fair about my tests, it could easily be an issue of offline bouncing versus realtime. It is difficult to find a mastering application which is Native and doesn't bounce offline. My basic rule of thumb here is if sonic quality is of utmost importance, bounce in realtime regardless of the format. I don't want to get into a needlessly heady conversation as there's so many other factors involved that for 99% of everyday users, there isn't going to be a big enough difference between the sound of 32bit floating versus 48bit fixed to make it deciding factor on putting together a system. Not until we start talking about Rooms, and monitors and high end converters etc. etc. can we really even bother with thinking about it. IMHO When I say Zero latency for TDM. I mean that for recording purposes, there is not enough latency to effect the performance. There isn't such a thing as completely zero latency for digital systems. You need so many samples to get though the conversion. But TDM systems can handle dozens of tracks recording simultaneously with only a few samples of delay. There are even great plug-ins with such a low impact on latency they can be used during recording. Even a Modest computer can handle it. Think macintosh G3 or older. It's why TDM was such a Pro Tool. (ha ha) I haven't had a chance to see the new Apogee symphony cards on a Mac Pro yet, which might be the first native contender to TDM to come along. Once you start talking about software synths the issues change. Any Virtual synth needs X amount of time to perform it's task. It adversely effects CPU performance when the buffer (re: latency) is too low. The only time it doesn't effect latency is if the synth is utilizing DSP other than the Host CPU such as a TDM synth like Virus Indigo. Maybe PowerCore or UAD have some too. Yes, there are notable problems with using TDM in Logic. For one, there is no RTAS support in Logic. Second, using the ESB has serious flaws. BUT, there are reasons to over look these if you need to utilize the strengths of Logic and TDM. AFAIC every application has it's share of Notable problems. There's no perfect system. Define your needs best you can, get what you can afford, and learn to work around the problems. This will always be true. hope this helps bd On Nov 19, 2006, at 7:24 PM, my name wrote: > Message posted by my name <streetlight4@verizon.net>: > > Bob DeMaa <bobdemaa@mac.com> wrote: >> In Brief. People use Logic as a Front End for Pro Tools because it >> gives them access to a few important things. >> Zero Latency Recording TDM Plug-ins 48 bit fixed signal path. >> Not all of the functionality that you have in Pro Tools is >> included in Logic, but most of the important ones are there. > > Hello, > > Thanks very much for the reply. What is the signal path in logic? > 32bit floating? Do you know why 48 point is considered superior? > > I understand the importance of the zero latency recording issue. > Is it actually zero in tdm? > > Is there also less latency when using logic's software synths and > samplers than when using them "native"? How about the tdm softsynths > and samplers? > > Are there any notable problems when using logic with tdm? Thanks. > > > Faithful regards > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

I'm going to try it first thing in the morning..working with this bug is tough. Mark --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Lee Blaske <lblaske@...> wrote: > > > On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Evan Benjamin wrote: > > > I appreciate the thoughts. Unfortunately, when I use PT (which is > > frequently) , the added features of 7.2 are important. I think I'll > > hang on grimly. > > > > I notice that PT 7.2cs2 just came out. Curious if you've tried it, > and whether or not the problem is fixed. > > Even though I already bought 7.2, I'm hanging onto PT 7.1 until the > coast is clear. > > Lee Blaske >

Hello, Thanks again for your reply. I guess I was hoping that there would be no-latency tdm support for a bunch of synths and stuff. I am also trying to understand what features logic has that are missing in pro tools so that people would be interested in using logic tdm rather than just using pro tools's own software. If I understand correctly, the new apogee card and a mac pro still have quite a bit more latency than a full blown tdm rig. Is that correct? Faithful regards

>> I notice that PT 7.2cs2 just came out. Curious if you've tried it, >> and whether or not the problem is fixed. Looking through the release notes, I can't see anything that isn't directly related to operating within the Pro Tools application. Here's a link: http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?langidQ&navidT&itemid$038 Best, -- The best of times to you all... Pants

PT7.2cs2 didn't fix it pd --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Pants <moisie@...> wrote: > > >> I notice that PT 7.2cs2 just came out. Curious if you've tried it, > >> and whether or not the problem is fixed. > > > Looking through the release notes, I can't see anything that isn't directly > related to operating within the Pro Tools application. > > Here's a link: > http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?langidQ&navidT&itemid$038 > > Best, > -- > The best of times to you all... > > Pants >

It´s a Logic bug, not a Digi one. Go tell Apple... Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de Am 20.11.2006 um 14:39 schrieb filternerd: > PT7.2cs2 didn't fix it > > pd > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Pants <moisie@...> wrote: >> >>>> I notice that PT 7.2cs2 just came out. Curious if you've tried it, >>>> and whether or not the problem is fixed. >> >> >> Looking through the release notes, I can't see anything that isn't >> directly >> related to operating within the Pro Tools application. >> >> Here's a link: >> http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?langid=51&navid=54&itemid=24038 >> >> Best, >> -- >> The best of times to you all... >>

Anybody successfully using Midi over Lan on a Mac Pro?

Has anybody already downloaded and installed version 5.0 of Autotune TDM and AU? Is it working well now in Logic? Is that graphical bug in the edit mode of Autotune 4.0 in Logic already solved? Wim Claes Dual G5 2,7 ghz, 4,5 GB RAM, OS 10.4.8 Logic 7.2.3 HD3 Accel, Protools 7.1cs8 192, 2 x 96i, 1x 96 interface

On Nov 20, 2006, at 2:40 AM, my name wrote: > Message posted by my name <streetlight4@verizon.net>: > > Hello, > > Thanks again for your reply. I guess I was hoping that there > would be > no-latency tdm support for a bunch of synths and stuff. As long as the synths are TDM versions. Then yes, that would be true- ish. > I am also trying > to understand what features logic has that are missing in pro tools so > that people would be interested in using logic tdm rather than just > using > pro tools's own software. In Brief. If you are writing music, utilizing a lot of MIDI, and need a good variety of softsynths. Logic is a strong application. If you are recording a lot of live musicians, a lot of mixing or editing, then Pro Tools has strengths. They both crossover and do the same thing, just have a much different way of going about it, plus PT is RTAS, and Logic is AU. There's major efficiency differences there. > If I understand correctly, the new apogee card > and a mac pro still have quite a bit more latency Yes and no. You have to understand that a system like Logic or Pro Tools is capable of recording audio all day long with latency so low that it will not adversely effect performance. But things change as you add layers of VI's. The CPU will need more time to keep up with the processes.

Bob DeMaa <bobdemaa@mac.com> wrote: > On Nov 20, 2006, at 2:40 AM, my name wrote: > Message posted by my name <streetlight4@verizon.net>: > > Hello, > > Thanks again for your reply. I guess I was hoping that there > would be > no-latency tdm support for a bunch of synths and stuff. As long as the synths are TDM versions. Then yes, that would be true- ish. > I am also trying > to understand what features logic has that are missing in pro tools so > that people would be interested in using logic tdm rather than just > using > pro tools's own software. In Brief. If you are writing music, utilizing a lot of MIDI, and need a good variety of softsynths. Logic is a strong application. If you are recording a lot of live musicians, a lot of mixing or editing, then Pro Tools has strengths. They both crossover and do the same thing, just have a much different way of going about it, plus PT is RTAS, and Logic is AU. There's major efficiency differences there. > If I understand correctly, the new apogee card > and a mac pro still have quite a bit more latency Yes and no. You have to understand that a system like Logic or Pro Tools is capable of recording audio all day long with latency so low that it will not adversely effect performance. But things change as you add layers of VI's. The CPU will need more time to keep up with the processes. Hello, Thanks again for replying. I appreciate it. I am not sure I understand what you are talking about with respect to the "major efficiency differences" between rtas and au. How are these different? I am not all that up to speed on the characteristic and the pros and cons of the various plug-in formats so any information in that regard is appreciated. As to the tdm vs symphony issue, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the symphony card would eventually start exhibiting significant latency if one used a lot of VIs, whereas the tdm system would not. Is that accurate? Thanks. Faithful regards