Thanks Bob On Sep 15, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > http://www.mobl.com/expansion/products/cardbus_expansion/index.html > > http://www.mobl.com/expansion/products/cardbus_expansion/cb4slot/ > cb4slot_prices.html# > > If you follow the second link, the item is called PCI Host interface. > It's $299. > > On Sep 15, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: > > > Thanks Bob - I'll be looking at the suggestions over the next > > couple of > > days. yes I'm aware that core and DTDM are mutually exclusive. > > > > meanwhile - what is the exact name of that card from magma? I > > appreciate that tip. And yes, it's a Magma chassis. > > > > Greg > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > > > >> regarding plug-ins. OK I understand now. nothing to worry about > >> there. > >> > >> 3) In general I'm not too worried about this because the basic > >> session you created from scratch would play 16 tracks via DAE > >> with no > >> problems. You don't have DTDM and Core activated at the same time? > >> You know you can only use one or the other... > >> > >> 4) You can get a PCI card from Magma so that all you have to do is > >> move the cable from your powerbook to your desktop. This is what I > >> have also. My chassis is hooked up to the G5 at home, and if I need > >> to track elsewhere, I just disconnect the cable and attache it to > >> the > >> card on the powerbook. A normal scsi card will not work for this. > >> Contact someone at magma, or check out the website. I think the > card > >> is about $250. ( I am of course assuming you have the magama > >> expansion chassis) > >> > >> B > >> > >> On Sep 15, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks for letting yourself be dragged into this Bob (and > everyone) > >>> > >>> 1. I will try removing DTDM and report back. I'll also try adding > >> the > >>> RAM > >>> > >>> 2. just for clarity - There are no auths for the plugins and > virtual > >>> instruments on the powerbook, AND they aren't in the plugin > folder - > >>> they aren't even installed on the powerbook, but they are > installed > >> on > >>> the desktop and I'm trying to load current projects created on the > >>> desktop (like i will in real life) and when those songs look for > >>> plugins, they can't find them. On one attempt, I removed them from > >>> their respective tracks so the song was plugin free, to no avail. > >>> > >>> 3. I did install PT first, then Logic, but in one of my first > >> attempts > >>> at a fix I tried to downgrade Quicktime (the computer had 7.3.1 on > >> it) > >>> and eventually had to do so by re-installed the OS over the PT and > >> QT > >>> install, and then re-installed only PT that time, but the problem > >>> behavior I'm experiencing with Logic existed prior to and after > that > >>> move and didn't change. > >>> > >>> On a different note - It's a pain to remove the PT cards from the > >>> desktop and set up the expansion chassis repeatedly (I'm also > >>> completing work on the desktop) and I'm wondering if anyone knows > >>> whether I can put a sczi card in my desktop and use the sczi cable > >>> included with the chassis to attach the chassis to the desktop and > >>> will > >>> the desktop still see the cards. That would make this > >> troubleshooting > >>> process far less complicated because I would onl;y have to unplug > >> the > >>> sczi cable from the desktop and plug into the laptop. I don't know > >> how > >>> much sczi is supported now on G4s and os10.3 > >>> > >>> You guys are awesome > >>> > >>> Greg > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > >>> > >>>> Very curious. > >>>> > >>>> regarding RAM. When I load logic, I have at times seen it take up > >> as > >>>> much as 800 MB of physical RAM on larger sessions. i don' know > that > >>>> more RAM will fix this particular issue, but it certainly will > not > >>>> hurt to try more if you have that ability. I have a little app > >>>> called > >>>> Menu Extra Enabler installed. It let's me see how much Ram the > >>>> application is using, both virtual and physical, which can be > handy > >>>> at times. > >>>> > >>>> By chance did you install logic first, and then Pro Tools? > >>>> > >>>> I have another suggestion, something I would try anyway. Since > you > >>>> can create a blank session, play audio up to 16 tracks with no > >>>> problems but your real sessions balk. I have 2 more thoughts. > >>>> > >>>> 1) turn off the DTDM driver. quite and reboot logic. does the > >>>> problem > >>>> persist? > >>>> > >>>> 2) Can we physically pull all the plug-ins out which are not > >>>> authorized or setup on the powerbook. I know it's a pain, just > move > >>>> them to a plug-ins unused folder for the time being. Any plug-in > >> for > >>>> which you don't have authorization, or the iLok for pull. Others > on > >>>> the list have commented in the past that plug-ins, used or not > can > >>>> affect Logic. > >>>> > >>>> Hope this eventually helps. It's what I'd be doing... > >>>> > >>>> B > >>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Greg Critchley wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Thanks Bob > >>>>> > >>>>> To answer your questions > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. Yes - the session and audio are coming from a FW drive - the > >> one > >>>> I > >>>>> usually use. I also tried other sessions and data from other > >>>> ndrives - > >>>>> same symptoms > >>>>> 2. Internal drive is stock > >>>>> 3. There are lots of plugins (both TDM waves, Auto tune, amp > farm > >>>> etc > >>>>> AND native Virtual Instruments like Akoustic Piano, EW symphonic > >>>> Gold, > >>>>> Colossus etc) in the songs I'm trying to play, and those plugins > >>>>> aren't > >>>>> yet authorised on the power book, so they are just blanked out > >> when > >>>> I > >>>>> open the song after several "info" warnings that this-or-that > >> plugin > >>>>> wasn't available. I tried removing them all in one attempt to > >> play a > >>>>> song, and that made no difference. I wouldn't suspect that, > since > >>>>> Logic > >>>>> seems to usually be fine without every plugin in it looks for. > >>>>> 4. No, no samples being played back, because they don't load > since > >>>>> those VI's are not authorised yet on this computer > >>>>> 5. The CPU doesn't even register - it seems like the computer > >> isn't > >>>>> working hard at all. > >>>>> 6. I have 1 gig of ram installed - and have another 500 meg > handy > >>>>> which > >>>>> I'll try - would that make the difference? > >>>>> > >>>>> does this point you anywhere? > >>>>> > >>>>> Greg > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> where is the audio and session located. I'm assuming a single > FW > >>>> 800 > >>>>>> drive? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also, I'm just assuming you have all 2 Gig of Ram installed? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is your internal drive the stock one or did you upgrade it to > the > >>>>>> 7200 RPM drive? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What does the plug-in situation look like? Are there many > samples > >>>>>> being played back? from where? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Pop open the activity viewer in the utilities folder. Is the > CPU > >>>>>> maxing out when you try playing one of the troubled sessions? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have pretty amazing performance out of my powerbook. I had to > >>>>>> get a > >>>>>> G5 ultimately to meet my plug-ins demands, but for DAE work, > >> it's a > >>>>>> powerful portable rig. I done tracking sessions with it at 96k > >> and > >>>>>> had no problems with 32 tracks of audio. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> B > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, Greg Critchley wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Also, Bob- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I tried using Logic's autoload, wiping the audio environment, > >> and > >>>>>>> creating one stereo DAE track. Works perfectly. So we know it > >>>> works. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What in my songs that work fine elsewhere could be tripping up > >>>> this > >>>>>>> powerbook? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Greg > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Have you tried rebuilding your autoload completely from > >> scratch? > >>>>>>>> What happens if you open the default session, delete > everything > >>>> out > >>>>>>>> of the audio environment, make only 1 DAE track and try > playing > >>>>>>>> audio > >>>>>>>> from it? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sometimes Logic has an internal synch issue where it will > show > >>>> that > >>>>>>>> message. I've never figured out why. Usually it's random and > >>>> either > >>>>>>>> goes away, or a Logic reboot takes care of it. With one > client, > >>>>>>>> toggling the Systems Audio Midi Setup between 48 and 44 would > >> fix > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> issue, but he was running with core and a firewire interface. > >>>> worth > >>>>>>>> an attempt though. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In the DAE playback engine, for the powerbook I usually have > >>>>>>>> playback > >>>>>>>> buffer to 1024, the CPU set to maximum, and the hardware > buffer > >>>> set > >>>>>>>> to 4. I do not check the minimize memory requirements button > >> (or > >>>>>>>> whatever it's called) at the bottom. I found having this > >> checked > >>>>>>>> created a problem for me in certain situations, though I > can't > >>>>>>>> recall > >>>>>>>> what exactly at this moment. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> b > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 1:25 AM, Greg Critchley wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks Bob - seems like I'm one of the few with this exact > >>>>>>>>> configuration, but some general troubleshooting principals > >> still > >>>>>>>>> apply. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yes, Pro Tools itself seems to run fine, which is strange. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> As you suggested, I set the DSP section in playback engine > In > >>>> Pro > >>>>>>>>> Tools > >>>>>>>>> to correspond to Logic (64 tracks - 2 dsp's), but was unsure > >>>> what > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> buffer and CPU settings should be. Suggestions? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Now - to add some more symptoms - When I choose a blank song > >>>> (not > >>>>>> my > >>>>>>>>> usual template but just the one generated by the Logic > >> program) > >>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> drag several tracks into Logic on DAE tracks, it does play > >> much > >>>>>>>>> better. > >>>>>>>>> It actually plays for several bars without stopping playing > >> the > >>>>>>>> audio > >>>>>>>>> (the transport doesn;t stop), but it still does stop playing > >>>> sound > >>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>> random times, and especially when I open an environment > window > >>>> to > >>>>>>>> see > >>>>>>>>> the mixer - that's enough to stop the audio playback in its > >>>> tracks > >>>>>>>>> EVERY TIME. I wonder why when i do that it exacerbates the > >>>>>>>>> problem. It > >>>>>>>>> was also claiming at those times that there was a sync issue > >>>>>> between > >>>>>>>>> Logic and an external device which can't be - I'm clocking > >> with > >>>> an > >>>>>>>>> aardsync at 44.1 and Logic is set to 44.1 - it was showing > >> some > >>>>>>>> weird > >>>>>>>>> stuff like sync rate 2357351289 recognised and stuff like > >> that. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> One last thing -In all cases the DTDM audio tracks play > fine. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Is there anyone else out there using a similar system? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks so much > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Greg > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 12:04 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I have a magma expansion for my powerbook too, although I'm > >>>>>> running > >>>>>>>>>> with HD at the moment. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> It doesn't sound to me like a chassis issue. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I would check first of all that your settings for the > >> playback > >>>>>>>>>> engine > >>>>>>>>>> in pro tools match the settings you have set in Logic. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Also, Does Pro Tools play back correctly? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 14, 2006, at 7:50 PM, GC wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Powerbook 17", 1.67, 1 GIG RAM, MAGMA exp chassis (3 > slot), > >> 2 > >>>> X > >>>>>>>>>>> 888/24's > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> LOGIC 7.1, Pro Tools MIX Plus 6.4.1, OS 10.3.9 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I just purchased this powerbook - setup and install went > >>>>>> without a > >>>>>>>>>>> hitch, but when I press > >>>>>>>>>>> play, it plays for a second or 2 and then stops without > >> sound. > >>>>>> No > >>>>>>>>>>> error message, no > >>>>>>>>>>> indication that there is a problem. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Also happenes in the sample editor when I hit play. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas? Is there a driver update for the chassis? > please > >>>> help > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Greg

Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a 17" 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k coming and going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW drive, put the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis running a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive with the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to play live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not playback. It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've always just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having any specific problems related to it. B On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: >> Hey Greg, >> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >> some issues >> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >> with internal >> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >> 2x1,25GHz, osx >> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same on my >> older >> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t playback/ >> rec >> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >> bustraffic on >> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >> HD worked >> fine, but just 16 tracks. >> >> Hope it helps a little >> >> Best >> TK >> >> >> >> Thankyou Torsten >> >> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that works >> fine on the desktop G4. >> >> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like to. Try >> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please explain >> >> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >> >>>> Hey Greg, >>>> >>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the powerbooks. >>>> Do you >>>> use an >>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>> possibillity to >>>> try a >>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>> >>>> Torsten

Hi everyone- still plugging away at this. I'm addressing Bob most of the time because we started a dialogue about it, but please continue to weigh in if you have any insights. I would especially love to hear from Powerbook/Mix Plus users that have things working, or once did. Thanks. Bob, I tried some things. 1. Removing the esb plugin from the PI folder worked great, except for all of the MIDI Virtual Instruments and other DTDM audio tracks I now can 't hear!! (or use). Note - i can always use everything together on the g4 desktop. 2. leaving the esb plugin in the folder but turning off the DTDM driver also worked better with some exceptions - sometimes in the sample editor it would have difficulty playing - randomly... sometimes. 3. I added the RAM, so now I have 1.5 Gig. That didn't seem to make any difference in and of itself. 4. i tried running everything from the internal drive, and again no noticeable difference. Thought it wouldn't work because the internal drive is not 7600 RPM, but it did the same job of not working, LOL. Impressive. On an interesting note, one thing that is consistent - when ever it plays for a moment and makes me think "yeah!!! figured it out" one surefire way to make it drop the audio output is to open the mixer window. So doing so exacerbates the problem. I wonder how this relates. I tried reducing the screen reslolution and the colors to the lower settings - still nothing. I'm here trying different things. Any new ideas? Thanks, Greg On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a 17" > 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm > running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k coming and > going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW > bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW drive, put > the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. > > Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis running > a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive with > the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and > installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to play > live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not playback. > It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. > > I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've always > just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having any > specific problems related to it. > > B > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: > >>> Hey Greg, >>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>> some issues >>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>> with internal >>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same on my >>> older >>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t playback/ >>> rec >>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>> bustraffic on >>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>> HD worked >>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>> >>> Hope it helps a little >>> >>> Best >>> TK >>> >>> >>> >>> Thankyou Torsten >>> >>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that works >>> fine on the desktop G4. >>> >>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like to. Try >>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please explain >>> >>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>> >>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>> >>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the powerbooks. >>>>> Do you >>>>> use an >>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>> possibillity to >>>>> try a >>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>> >>>>> Torsten

One other thing- I have no MIDI interface hooked up. (mine is a MIDI timepiece that need a stealth serial port like I have in my desktop).That wouldn't be it would it? On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a 17" > 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm > running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k coming and > going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW > bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW drive, put > the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. > > Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis running > a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive with > the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and > installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to play > live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not playback. > It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. > > I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've always > just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having any > specific problems related to it. > > B > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: > >>> Hey Greg, >>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>> some issues >>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>> with internal >>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same on my >>> older >>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t playback/ >>> rec >>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>> bustraffic on >>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>> HD worked >>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>> >>> Hope it helps a little >>> >>> Best >>> TK >>> >>> >>> >>> Thankyou Torsten >>> >>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that works >>> fine on the desktop G4. >>> >>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like to. Try >>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please explain >>> >>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>> >>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>> >>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the powerbooks. >>>>> Do you >>>>> use an >>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>> possibillity to >>>>> try a >>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>> >>>>> Torsten

I doubt this has any bearing on the issue. On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: > One other thing- > > I have no MIDI interface hooked up. (mine is a MIDI timepiece that > need > a stealth serial port like I have in my desktop).That wouldn't be it > would it? > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > >> Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a 17" >> 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm >> running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k coming and >> going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW >> bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW drive, put >> the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. >> >> Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis running >> a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive with >> the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and >> installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to play >> live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not playback. >> It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. >> >> I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've always >> just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having any >> specific problems related to it. >> >> B >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: >> >>>> Hey Greg, >>>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>>> some issues >>>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>>> with internal >>>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same on my >>>> older >>>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t playback/ >>>> rec >>>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>>> bustraffic on >>>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>>> HD worked >>>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>>> >>>> Hope it helps a little >>>> >>>> Best >>>> TK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thankyou Torsten >>>> >>>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that works >>>> fine on the desktop G4. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like to. Try >>>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please >>>> explain >>>> >>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the powerbooks. >>>>>> Do you >>>>>> use an >>>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>>> possibillity to >>>>>> try a >>>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>>> >>>>>> Torsten

interesting. 1) The g4 desktop has a larger L2 cache. and an L3 cache. This translates to better performance for realtime aspects like plug-ins. I don't know what your sessions are consisting of mainly, but don't expect the Powerbook to compare exactly to the desktop. I've gotten my powerbook pretty close to desktop performance, but it will tap out sooner in just about all aspects, even though the processor is a 1.67. 2) I have had trouble with ESB and DTDM on all systems. I have abandoned it. It's a great idea. Have your cake and eat it too, just that the cake spoils so quickly it's not worth the hassle to me. You may want to consider a FW interface for replacing DTDM. Several of us on the list have done that now with much better results. 4) I'm at a loss on this one. this happens when you switch screensets? how many realtime windows do you have open at once? Hide the arrange window and close everything open behind it. I've seen logic slow down if there's too many realtime windows open simultaneously. make sure you don't have a locked screenset with 15 windows hiding behind the arrange window. Does anyone on the list know if this could have something to do with Quartz Extreme being enabled or not? awhile back there were some posts on the list for how to disable and enable it. You'll need to search back for that thread. b On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: > Hi everyone- still plugging away at this. I'm addressing Bob most of > the time because we started a dialogue about it, but please > continue to > weigh in if you have any insights. I would especially love to hear > from > Powerbook/Mix Plus users that have things working, or once did. > Thanks. > > Bob, I tried some things. > > 1. Removing the esb plugin from the PI folder worked great, except for > all of the MIDI Virtual Instruments and other DTDM audio tracks I now > can 't hear!! (or use). Note - i can always use everything together on > the g4 desktop. > 2. leaving the esb plugin in the folder but turning off the DTDM > driver > also worked better with some exceptions - sometimes in the sample > editor it would have difficulty playing - randomly... sometimes. > 3. I added the RAM, so now I have 1.5 Gig. That didn't seem to make > any > difference in and of itself. > 4. i tried running everything from the internal drive, and again no > noticeable difference. Thought it wouldn't work because the internal > drive is not 7600 RPM, but it did the same job of not working, LOL. > Impressive. > > On an interesting note, one thing that is consistent - when ever it > plays for a moment and makes me think "yeah!!! figured it out" one > surefire way to make it drop the audio output is to open the mixer > window. So doing so exacerbates the problem. I wonder how this > relates. > I tried reducing the screen reslolution and the colors to the lower > settings - still nothing. > > I'm here trying different things. Any new ideas? > > Thanks, Greg > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > >> Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a 17" >> 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm >> running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k coming and >> going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW >> bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW drive, put >> the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. >> >> Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis running >> a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive with >> the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and >> installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to play >> live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not playback. >> It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. >> >> I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've always >> just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having any >> specific problems related to it. >> >> B >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: >> >>>> Hey Greg, >>>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>>> some issues >>>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>>> with internal >>>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same on my >>>> older >>>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t playback/ >>>> rec >>>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>>> bustraffic on >>>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>>> HD worked >>>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>>> >>>> Hope it helps a little >>>> >>>> Best >>>> TK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thankyou Torsten >>>> >>>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that works >>>> fine on the desktop G4. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like to. Try >>>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please >>>> explain >>>> >>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the powerbooks. >>>>>> Do you >>>>>> use an >>>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>>> possibillity to >>>>>> try a >>>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>>> >>>>>> Torsten

Bob - I'm on to something. I do a lot of work for a producer running Logic with an HD system (as opposed to my MIX plus.) He's on G5, Logic 7.1.1 and Panther OS. He sends me a logic file and all audio files, I add what i do and upload and send it back. Here's the thing - whenever I open his LOGIC file (and when he opens mine) the first thing i have to do is go to his DAE AUX that has the ESB input, and change it from what it says "ESB" to a different ESB choice in the menu, kind of like "his esb" and "my esb" - totally redundant, but something I must do on my desktop to hear his DTDM instruments and audio. His ESB seems to be dead (and greyed out) and mine is sitting there waiting to be instantiated. He has to do the same when i return the LOGIC file. So the songs I'm trying to open all have that extra greyed out ESB choice in the AUX (many of them originated with his autoload because I loved his mixer and he spent hours), and the one song for which i re-built part of the mixer has only the choice that is already instantiated and it works. Any idea how to get rid of it looking for a non existent ESB? That might be the ticket. On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > I doubt this has any bearing on the issue. > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: > >> One other thing- >> >> I have no MIDI interface hooked up. (mine is a MIDI timepiece that >> need >> a stealth serial port like I have in my desktop).That wouldn't be it >> would it? >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >> >>> Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a 17" >>> 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm >>> running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k coming and >>> going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW >>> bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW drive, put >>> the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. >>> >>> Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis running >>> a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive with >>> the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and >>> installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to play >>> live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not playback. >>> It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. >>> >>> I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've always >>> just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having any >>> specific problems related to it. >>> >>> B >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>> >>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>>>> some issues >>>>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>>>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>>>> with internal >>>>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>>>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>>>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same on my >>>>> older >>>>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t playback/ >>>>> rec >>>>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>>>> bustraffic on >>>>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>>>> HD worked >>>>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>>>> >>>>> Hope it helps a little >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> TK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thankyou Torsten >>>>> >>>>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that works >>>>> fine on the desktop G4. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like to. Try >>>>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please >>>>> explain >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the powerbooks. >>>>>>> Do you >>>>>>> use an >>>>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>>>> possibillity to >>>>>>> try a >>>>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Torsten

I sent this note yesterday - I don't know if you noticed it since I didn't see a reply, so I'll post it again, with a bit more detail. Maybe this can help: You might have a permissions problem. Maybe there is an audio file that Logic can't access in your song on that computer even though it works on the others. Sometimes when permissions are wrong, stuff acts strange but does not give error messages. Try repairing permissions on the powerbook, and review the permissions on all your audio files - and the record path folders - make sure your logged-in user has ownership of all the folders and files. Sometimes it's hard to get the permissions all matching. A free unix script utility called BatChMod makes it easy to modify permissions on whole folder structures and contents - Google can show you where to get it. I've seen that help in a wide variety of situations where mysterious behavior was happening. Good luck! - Dave On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > interesting. > > 1) The g4 desktop has a larger L2 cache. and an L3 cache. This > translates to better performance for realtime aspects like plug-ins. > I don't know what your sessions are consisting of mainly, but don't > expect the Powerbook to compare exactly to the desktop. I've gotten > my powerbook pretty close to desktop performance, but it will tap out > sooner in just about all aspects, even though the processor is a 1.67. > > 2) I have had trouble with ESB and DTDM on all systems. I have > abandoned it. It's a great idea. Have your cake and eat it too, just > that the cake spoils so quickly it's not worth the hassle to me. You > may want to consider a FW interface for replacing DTDM. Several of us > on the list have done that now with much better results. > > 4) I'm at a loss on this one. this happens when you switch > screensets? how many realtime windows do you have open at once? Hide > the arrange window and close everything open behind it. I've seen > logic slow down if there's too many realtime windows open > simultaneously. make sure you don't have a locked screenset with 15 > windows hiding behind the arrange window. > > Does anyone on the list know if this could have something to do with > Quartz Extreme being enabled or not? awhile back there were some > posts on the list for how to disable and enable it. You'll need to > search back for that thread. > > b > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: > >> Hi everyone- still plugging away at this. I'm addressing Bob most of >> the time because we started a dialogue about it, but please >> continue to >> weigh in if you have any insights. I would especially love to hear >> from >> Powerbook/Mix Plus users that have things working, or once did. >> Thanks. >> >> Bob, I tried some things. >> >> 1. Removing the esb plugin from the PI folder worked great, except >> for >> all of the MIDI Virtual Instruments and other DTDM audio tracks I now >> can 't hear!! (or use). Note - i can always use everything >> together on >> the g4 desktop. >> 2. leaving the esb plugin in the folder but turning off the DTDM >> driver >> also worked better with some exceptions - sometimes in the sample >> editor it would have difficulty playing - randomly... sometimes. >> 3. I added the RAM, so now I have 1.5 Gig. That didn't seem to make >> any >> difference in and of itself. >> 4. i tried running everything from the internal drive, and again no >> noticeable difference. Thought it wouldn't work because the internal >> drive is not 7600 RPM, but it did the same job of not working, LOL. >> Impressive. >> >> On an interesting note, one thing that is consistent - when ever it >> plays for a moment and makes me think "yeah!!! figured it out" one >> surefire way to make it drop the audio output is to open the mixer >> window. So doing so exacerbates the problem. I wonder how this >> relates. >> I tried reducing the screen reslolution and the colors to the lower >> settings - still nothing. >> >> I'm here trying different things. Any new ideas? >> >> Thanks, Greg >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >> >>> Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a 17" >>> 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm >>> running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k coming >>> and >>> going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW >>> bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW drive, >>> put >>> the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. >>> >>> Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis running >>> a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive >>> with >>> the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and >>> installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to play >>> live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not >>> playback. >>> It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. >>> >>> I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've always >>> just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having any >>> specific problems related to it. >>> >>> B >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>> >>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>>>> some issues >>>>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>>>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>>>> with internal >>>>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>>>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>>>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same on my >>>>> older >>>>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t >>>>> playback/ >>>>> rec >>>>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>>>> bustraffic on >>>>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>>>> HD worked >>>>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>>>> >>>>> Hope it helps a little >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> TK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thankyou Torsten >>>>> >>>>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that >>>>> works >>>>> fine on the desktop G4. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like to. >>>>> Try >>>>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please >>>>> explain >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the powerbooks. >>>>>>> Do you >>>>>>> use an >>>>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>>>> possibillity to >>>>>>> try a >>>>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Torsten

that's a new one to me. I've moved logic sessions back and forth on my systems, and back and forth with a couple of clients, but everyone has such different approaches to setup. I'm completely speculating now. perhaps there is a difference in the versions of ESB you are each running? Is this even a possibility? It's still odd though that changing windows causes your audio to stop playing. Just out of curiosity, if you open your key commands window, is it grayed out or can you enter key commands. B On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: > Bob - I'm on to something. > > I do a lot of work for a producer running Logic with an HD system (as > opposed to my MIX plus.) He's on G5, Logic 7.1.1 and Panther OS. He > sends me a logic file and all audio files, I add what i do and upload > and send it back. > > Here's the thing - whenever I open his LOGIC file (and when he opens > mine) the first thing i have to do is go to his DAE AUX that has the > ESB input, and change it from what it says "ESB" to a different ESB > choice in the menu, kind of like "his esb" and "my esb" - totally > redundant, but something I must do on my desktop to hear his DTDM > instruments and audio. His ESB seems to be dead (and greyed out) and > mine is sitting there waiting to be instantiated. He has to do the > same > when i return the LOGIC file. > > So the songs I'm trying to open all have that extra greyed out ESB > choice in the AUX (many of them originated with his autoload because I > loved his mixer and he spent hours), and the one song for which i > re-built part of the mixer has only the choice that is already > instantiated and it works. > > Any idea how to get rid of it looking for a non existent ESB? That > might be the ticket. > > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > >> I doubt this has any bearing on the issue. >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: >> >>> One other thing- >>> >>> I have no MIDI interface hooked up. (mine is a MIDI timepiece that >>> need >>> a stealth serial port like I have in my desktop).That wouldn't be it >>> would it? >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >>> >>>> Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a 17" >>>> 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm >>>> running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k >>>> coming and >>>> going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW >>>> bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW >>>> drive, put >>>> the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. >>>> >>>> Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis >>>> running >>>> a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive >>>> with >>>> the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and >>>> installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to play >>>> live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not >>>> playback. >>>> It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. >>>> >>>> I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've always >>>> just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having >>>> any >>>> specific problems related to it. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>>>>> some issues >>>>>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>>>>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>>>>> with internal >>>>>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>>>>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>>>>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same on my >>>>>> older >>>>>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t >>>>>> playback/ >>>>>> rec >>>>>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>>>>> bustraffic on >>>>>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>>>>> HD worked >>>>>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope it helps a little >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> TK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thankyou Torsten >>>>>> >>>>>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that >>>>>> works >>>>>> fine on the desktop G4. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like >>>>>> to. Try >>>>>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please >>>>>> explain >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the powerbooks. >>>>>>>> Do you >>>>>>>> use an >>>>>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>>>>> possibillity to >>>>>>>> try a >>>>>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Torsten

Hi David - yes, got your note, thanks for your input. I checked that theory by opening a session and clearing all tracks except one, and it wouldn't play, as usual. Then I checked permissions on that audio file and all appeared OK. Furthermore, the same audio files DO work when ESB plug in is removed from plugin folder. I also have tried about 10 different songs on a few different drives. I did repair the permissions on the drive and zap PRAM - I agree, those things are often overlooked, and just as often the culprit. On a similar note, today a Lacie drive that stopped working worked when I used a different power supply, even though it appeared otherwise fine. i think I have this cornered. LOGIC wants to see the exact same ESB plugin that created the Mixer (not the same version, THE SAME ONE)- EVEN after removing anything that flowed through ESB (all DTDM tracks and Virtual instruments). the next test is to see if there's a way to clear away any old references LOGIC wants to make to another user's ESB plugin. It's like ESB leaves a stamp from the creator's computer, and that isn't always compatible with other computers (I know it usually is, because I have worked with other user's files, but maybe Powerbooks are "special") When i go to the DAE AUX that has ESB as its input, there are several greyed out choices - why would that be, even if I remove that AUX and make a brand new one. ideas anyone? always thanks Greg On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:59 PM, David Gordon wrote: > I sent this note yesterday - I don't know if you noticed it since I > didn't see a reply, so I'll post it again, with a bit more detail. > > Maybe this can help: > > You might have a permissions problem. Maybe there is an audio file > that Logic can't access in your song on that computer even though it > works on the others. Sometimes when permissions are wrong, stuff > acts strange but does not give error messages. > > Try repairing permissions on the powerbook, and review the > permissions on all your audio files - and the record path folders - > make sure your logged-in user has ownership of all the folders and > files. > > Sometimes it's hard to get the permissions all matching. A free unix > script utility called BatChMod makes it easy to modify permissions on > whole folder structures and contents - Google can show you where to > get it. > > I've seen that help in a wide variety of situations where mysterious > behavior was happening. > > Good luck! > > - Dave > > > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > >> interesting. >> >> 1) The g4 desktop has a larger L2 cache. and an L3 cache. This >> translates to better performance for realtime aspects like plug-ins. >> I don't know what your sessions are consisting of mainly, but don't >> expect the Powerbook to compare exactly to the desktop. I've gotten >> my powerbook pretty close to desktop performance, but it will tap out >> sooner in just about all aspects, even though the processor is a 1.67. >> >> 2) I have had trouble with ESB and DTDM on all systems. I have >> abandoned it. It's a great idea. Have your cake and eat it too, just >> that the cake spoils so quickly it's not worth the hassle to me. You >> may want to consider a FW interface for replacing DTDM. Several of us >> on the list have done that now with much better results. >> >> 4) I'm at a loss on this one. this happens when you switch >> screensets? how many realtime windows do you have open at once? Hide >> the arrange window and close everything open behind it. I've seen >> logic slow down if there's too many realtime windows open >> simultaneously. make sure you don't have a locked screenset with 15 >> windows hiding behind the arrange window. >> >> Does anyone on the list know if this could have something to do with >> Quartz Extreme being enabled or not? awhile back there were some >> posts on the list for how to disable and enable it. You'll need to >> search back for that thread. >> >> b >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone- still plugging away at this. I'm addressing Bob most of >>> the time because we started a dialogue about it, but please >>> continue to >>> weigh in if you have any insights. I would especially love to hear >>> from >>> Powerbook/Mix Plus users that have things working, or once did. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Bob, I tried some things. >>> >>> 1. Removing the esb plugin from the PI folder worked great, except >>> for >>> all of the MIDI Virtual Instruments and other DTDM audio tracks I now >>> can 't hear!! (or use). Note - i can always use everything >>> together on >>> the g4 desktop. >>> 2. leaving the esb plugin in the folder but turning off the DTDM >>> driver >>> also worked better with some exceptions - sometimes in the sample >>> editor it would have difficulty playing - randomly... sometimes. >>> 3. I added the RAM, so now I have 1.5 Gig. That didn't seem to make >>> any >>> difference in and of itself. >>> 4. i tried running everything from the internal drive, and again no >>> noticeable difference. Thought it wouldn't work because the internal >>> drive is not 7600 RPM, but it did the same job of not working, LOL. >>> Impressive. >>> >>> On an interesting note, one thing that is consistent - when ever it >>> plays for a moment and makes me think "yeah!!! figured it out" one >>> surefire way to make it drop the audio output is to open the mixer >>> window. So doing so exacerbates the problem. I wonder how this >>> relates. >>> I tried reducing the screen reslolution and the colors to the lower >>> settings - still nothing. >>> >>> I'm here trying different things. Any new ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, Greg >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >>> >>>> Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a 17" >>>> 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm >>>> running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k coming >>>> and >>>> going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW >>>> bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW drive, >>>> put >>>> the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. >>>> >>>> Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis running >>>> a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive >>>> with >>>> the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and >>>> installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to play >>>> live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not >>>> playback. >>>> It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. >>>> >>>> I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've always >>>> just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having any >>>> specific problems related to it. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>>>>> some issues >>>>>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>>>>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>>>>> with internal >>>>>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>>>>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>>>>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same on my >>>>>> older >>>>>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t >>>>>> playback/ >>>>>> rec >>>>>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>>>>> bustraffic on >>>>>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>>>>> HD worked >>>>>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope it helps a little >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> TK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thankyou Torsten >>>>>> >>>>>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that >>>>>> works >>>>>> fine on the desktop G4. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like to. >>>>>> Try >>>>>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please >>>>>> explain >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the powerbooks. >>>>>>>> Do you >>>>>>>> use an >>>>>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>>>>> possibillity to >>>>>>>> try a >>>>>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Torsten

The grayed out ESB instances are a result of the systems having different hardware input setups. Inputs are assigned numerically in Logic, with the hardware inputs coming first, followed by ESB. For example in an 8-input system, ESB 1-2 will be input numbers 9 & 10, ESB 3-4 will be 11 & 12, etc. So if one system has only 8 inputs and another has 16 inputs, then the ESB inputs from the 16 input system will be grayed out in the smaller system, because the mixer in the song will be looking for input number 17, which does not exist on the 8 input system. By re-instanciating the ESB inputs, they pick up the correct input number for the current configuration. - Dave David Gordon Composer/Producer Sequoia Records http://www.sequoiarecords.com On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > that's a new one to me. I've moved logic sessions back and forth on > my systems, and back and forth with a couple of clients, but everyone > has such different approaches to setup. > > I'm completely speculating now. perhaps there is a difference in the > versions of ESB you are each running? Is this even a possibility? > > It's still odd though that changing windows causes your audio to stop > playing. > > Just out of curiosity, if you open your key commands window, is it > grayed out or can you enter key commands. > > B > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: > >> Bob - I'm on to something. >> >> I do a lot of work for a producer running Logic with an HD system (as >> opposed to my MIX plus.) He's on G5, Logic 7.1.1 and Panther OS. He >> sends me a logic file and all audio files, I add what i do and upload >> and send it back. >> >> Here's the thing - whenever I open his LOGIC file (and when he opens >> mine) the first thing i have to do is go to his DAE AUX that has the >> ESB input, and change it from what it says "ESB" to a different ESB >> choice in the menu, kind of like "his esb" and "my esb" - totally >> redundant, but something I must do on my desktop to hear his DTDM >> instruments and audio. His ESB seems to be dead (and greyed out) and >> mine is sitting there waiting to be instantiated. He has to do the >> same >> when i return the LOGIC file. >> >> So the songs I'm trying to open all have that extra greyed out ESB >> choice in the AUX (many of them originated with his autoload >> because I >> loved his mixer and he spent hours), and the one song for which i >> re-built part of the mixer has only the choice that is already >> instantiated and it works. >> >> Any idea how to get rid of it looking for a non existent ESB? That >> might be the ticket. >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >> >>> I doubt this has any bearing on the issue. >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: >>> >>>> One other thing- >>>> >>>> I have no MIDI interface hooked up. (mine is a MIDI timepiece that >>>> need >>>> a stealth serial port like I have in my desktop).That wouldn't >>>> be it >>>> would it? >>>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a >>>>> 17" >>>>> 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm >>>>> running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k >>>>> coming and >>>>> going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW >>>>> bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW >>>>> drive, put >>>>> the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. >>>>> >>>>> Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis >>>>> running >>>>> a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive >>>>> with >>>>> the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and >>>>> installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to >>>>> play >>>>> live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not >>>>> playback. >>>>> It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. >>>>> >>>>> I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've >>>>> always >>>>> just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having >>>>> any >>>>> specific problems related to it. >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>>>>>> some issues >>>>>>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>>>>>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>>>>>> with internal >>>>>>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>>>>>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>>>>>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same >>>>>>> on my >>>>>>> older >>>>>>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t >>>>>>> playback/ >>>>>>> rec >>>>>>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>>>>>> bustraffic on >>>>>>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>>>>>> HD worked >>>>>>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope it helps a little >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> TK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thankyou Torsten >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that >>>>>>> works >>>>>>> fine on the desktop G4. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like >>>>>>> to. Try >>>>>>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please >>>>>>> explain >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the >>>>>>>>> powerbooks. >>>>>>>>> Do you >>>>>>>>> use an >>>>>>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>>>>>> possibillity to >>>>>>>>> try a >>>>>>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Torsten

Hi Bob- yeah, so have I, and there has been this issue of reinstanciating "my" esb, but otherwise everything worked fine. This time it seems to be otherwise. It's also the first time that i'm going between a laptop and desktop. Yes - the key commands window appears fine. ESB is the same version on both systems. an addendum - I emailed the ESB plug from the desktop to the powerbook and put that one in the Plugin folder, and logic didn't like that - got an error message. i wondered if ESB had some kind of a stamp like authorizations, so that's why i tried it. Can't get it to work, unless emailing it corrupted it. And the changing windows thing doesn't affect playback at all in the brand new environment i created - even with esb and DTDM working. That's the difference, there are no "ghost references" and greyed out options in addition the the esb "I have." If I could get rid of those redundant and non existant references I think I'd be there. On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > that's a new one to me. I've moved logic sessions back and forth on > my systems, and back and forth with a couple of clients, but everyone > has such different approaches to setup. > > I'm completely speculating now. perhaps there is a difference in the > versions of ESB you are each running? Is this even a possibility? > > It's still odd though that changing windows causes your audio to stop > playing. > > Just out of curiosity, if you open your key commands window, is it > grayed out or can you enter key commands. > > B > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: > >> Bob - I'm on to something. >> >> I do a lot of work for a producer running Logic with an HD system (as >> opposed to my MIX plus.) He's on G5, Logic 7.1.1 and Panther OS. He >> sends me a logic file and all audio files, I add what i do and upload >> and send it back. >> >> Here's the thing - whenever I open his LOGIC file (and when he opens >> mine) the first thing i have to do is go to his DAE AUX that has the >> ESB input, and change it from what it says "ESB" to a different ESB >> choice in the menu, kind of like "his esb" and "my esb" - totally >> redundant, but something I must do on my desktop to hear his DTDM >> instruments and audio. His ESB seems to be dead (and greyed out) and >> mine is sitting there waiting to be instantiated. He has to do the >> same >> when i return the LOGIC file. >> >> So the songs I'm trying to open all have that extra greyed out ESB >> choice in the AUX (many of them originated with his autoload because I >> loved his mixer and he spent hours), and the one song for which i >> re-built part of the mixer has only the choice that is already >> instantiated and it works. >> >> Any idea how to get rid of it looking for a non existent ESB? That >> might be the ticket. >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >> >>> I doubt this has any bearing on the issue. >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: >>> >>>> One other thing- >>>> >>>> I have no MIDI interface hooked up. (mine is a MIDI timepiece that >>>> need >>>> a stealth serial port like I have in my desktop).That wouldn't be it >>>> would it? >>>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a 17" >>>>> 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm >>>>> running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k >>>>> coming and >>>>> going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW >>>>> bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW >>>>> drive, put >>>>> the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. >>>>> >>>>> Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis >>>>> running >>>>> a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive >>>>> with >>>>> the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and >>>>> installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to play >>>>> live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not >>>>> playback. >>>>> It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. >>>>> >>>>> I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've always >>>>> just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having >>>>> any >>>>> specific problems related to it. >>>>> >>>>> B >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>>>>>> some issues >>>>>>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>>>>>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>>>>>> with internal >>>>>>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>>>>>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>>>>>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same on my >>>>>>> older >>>>>>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t >>>>>>> playback/ >>>>>>> rec >>>>>>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>>>>>> bustraffic on >>>>>>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>>>>>> HD worked >>>>>>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope it helps a little >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> TK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thankyou Torsten >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that >>>>>>> works >>>>>>> fine on the desktop G4. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like >>>>>>> to. Try >>>>>>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please >>>>>>> explain >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the powerbooks. >>>>>>>>> Do you >>>>>>>>> use an >>>>>>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>>>>>> possibillity to >>>>>>>>> try a >>>>>>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Torsten

exactly - how do you get a song you're opening to "forget" what inputs another user had, or the details of their ESB? For example, I see choices of ESB 1/2, 3/4 etc greyed out (I can't use them) and another set of ESB 1/2, 3/4 etc that I CAN choose, so there's some kind of redundancy there. I'm becoming convinced that's the ticket, because In a brand new autoload that I made on the powerbook, those redundant and greyed out choices aren't there and it works perfectly, and the one ESB plugin I do use works. The drag is, this doesn't help me open songs created on my, or my client's computers. Am I getting you right? Does this make sense? Thanks, Dave Greg On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:24 PM, David Gordon wrote: > The grayed out ESB instances are a result of the systems having > different hardware input setups. > > Inputs are assigned numerically in Logic, with the hardware inputs > coming first, followed by ESB. For example in an 8-input system, ESB > 1-2 will be input numbers 9 & 10, ESB 3-4 will be 11 & 12, etc. So > if one system has only 8 inputs and another has 16 inputs, then the > ESB inputs from the 16 input system will be grayed out in the smaller > system, because the mixer in the song will be looking for input > number 17, which does not exist on the 8 input system. > > By re-instanciating the ESB inputs, they pick up the correct input > number for the current configuration. > > - Dave > > > David Gordon > Composer/Producer > Sequoia Records > > http://www.sequoiarecords.com > > > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: > >> that's a new one to me. I've moved logic sessions back and forth on >> my systems, and back and forth with a couple of clients, but everyone >> has such different approaches to setup. >> >> I'm completely speculating now. perhaps there is a difference in the >> versions of ESB you are each running? Is this even a possibility? >> >> It's still odd though that changing windows causes your audio to stop >> playing. >> >> Just out of curiosity, if you open your key commands window, is it >> grayed out or can you enter key commands. >> >> B >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: >> >>> Bob - I'm on to something. >>> >>> I do a lot of work for a producer running Logic with an HD system (as >>> opposed to my MIX plus.) He's on G5, Logic 7.1.1 and Panther OS. He >>> sends me a logic file and all audio files, I add what i do and upload >>> and send it back. >>> >>> Here's the thing - whenever I open his LOGIC file (and when he opens >>> mine) the first thing i have to do is go to his DAE AUX that has the >>> ESB input, and change it from what it says "ESB" to a different ESB >>> choice in the menu, kind of like "his esb" and "my esb" - totally >>> redundant, but something I must do on my desktop to hear his DTDM >>> instruments and audio. His ESB seems to be dead (and greyed out) and >>> mine is sitting there waiting to be instantiated. He has to do the >>> same >>> when i return the LOGIC file. >>> >>> So the songs I'm trying to open all have that extra greyed out ESB >>> choice in the AUX (many of them originated with his autoload >>> because I >>> loved his mixer and he spent hours), and the one song for which i >>> re-built part of the mixer has only the choice that is already >>> instantiated and it works. >>> >>> Any idea how to get rid of it looking for a non existent ESB? That >>> might be the ticket. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >>> >>>> I doubt this has any bearing on the issue. >>>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: >>>> >>>>> One other thing- >>>>> >>>>> I have no MIDI interface hooked up. (mine is a MIDI timepiece that >>>>> need >>>>> a stealth serial port like I have in my desktop).That wouldn't >>>>> be it >>>>> would it? >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Is it possible this was true with the older laptops? He's got a >>>>>> 17" >>>>>> 1.67, I've got a 15" 1.67 with the 4 slot chassis, and granted I'm >>>>>> running with HD2, but I've had as much as 32 Tracks at 96k >>>>>> coming and >>>>>> going via FW 400. I really don't think his issues lay with the FW >>>>>> bus. But, it wouldn't hurt to try that. remove the the FW >>>>>> drive, put >>>>>> the session on the internal and see if that changes anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> Prior to this I had a Powerbook Pismo, with a 2 slot chassis >>>>>> running >>>>>> a 001. I also had no problems to report regarding using FW drive >>>>>> with >>>>>> the system. Back then I even setup 3 or 4 of these systems and >>>>>> installed a FW drive into the Chassis. I even used this rig to >>>>>> play >>>>>> live on a couple of occasions. primarily for the mixer, not >>>>>> playback. >>>>>> It worked, but I was holding my breath the entire time. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd be interested in knowing what the deal was with QT? I've >>>>>> always >>>>>> just installed the latest version of QT, and don't recall having >>>>>> any >>>>>> specific problems related to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> B >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:13 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>>>> the problem I heard about is the FW bus on the Laptop. There are >>>>>>>> some issues >>>>>>>> which are not documented by apple about bus width and so on... >>>>>>>> So this could be the problem using Logic. Logic is pretty picky >>>>>>>> with internal >>>>>>>> sync of audio and midi, I had this on an older system G4, >>>>>>>> 2x1,25GHz, osx >>>>>>>> 10.3.2 2Gig RAM for a life system (playback and VI’s). Same >>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>> older >>>>>>>> powerbook with a mix+ and MAGMA 2slot chassis. I couldn’t >>>>>>>> playback/ >>>>>>>> rec >>>>>>>> anything with the firewire HD attached to it :( The problem was >>>>>>>> bustraffic on >>>>>>>> FW and PC Card for the MAGMA. Recording and playback on internal >>>>>>>> HD worked >>>>>>>> fine, but just 16 tracks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope it helps a little >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> TK >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thankyou Torsten >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yes I use an external FW for recplayback - the same one that >>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>> fine on the desktop G4. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion, but I would like >>>>>>>> to. Try >>>>>>>> what type of PCMCIA card? (I'm not sure what that is). please >>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2006, at 9:31 AM, sunnytk wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey Greg, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I heard about an issue with the firewirebus on the >>>>>>>>>> powerbooks. >>>>>>>>>> Do you >>>>>>>>>> use an >>>>>>>>>> external fw HD for rec and playback? Do you have the >>>>>>>>>> possibillity to >>>>>>>>>> try a >>>>>>>>>> PCMCIA card for firewire purposes? Give it a try >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Torsten

Try this: Open the song, and remove the instances of the grayed-out ESB. Then instanciate the correct ESB in the same slot. Do that for all the ESB AUX objects. Save the song. Close the song and re-open it. That should remove the incorrect references and include the corrected one in your song. When you reload it, the incorrect ones will be gone so they won't mess up the Digi hardware setup. (hopefully!) If that doesn't do it, here are a couple more thoughts. You might need to update your Digidesign hardware setup in the dialog box - or your Digi input/output setup. There might be some settings carried over from the other system that are not matching your current Digisetup. (Which reminds me, have you tried trashing the Digisetup file and the DAE/PT preferences, etc...?) Another possible trick - Sometimes I've experienced problems in Logic that seem to be magically fixed by simply starting the Pro Tools application, opening a session, then quitting Pro Tools. Pro Tools has some lower level access to the hardware that Logic doesn't have. I'm not quite sure how it works but I have seen it be helpful in some situations. Good luck! - Dave David Gordon Composer/Producer Sequoia Records http://www.sequoiarecords.com On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Greg Critchley wrote: > exactly - how do you get a song you're opening to "forget" what inputs > another user had, or the details of their ESB? > > For example, I see choices of ESB 1/2, 3/4 etc greyed out (I can't use > them) and another set of ESB 1/2, 3/4 etc that I CAN choose, so > there's > some kind of redundancy there. I'm becoming convinced that's the > ticket, because In a brand new autoload that I made on the powerbook, > those redundant and greyed out choices aren't there and it works > perfectly, and the one ESB plugin I do use works. > > The drag is, this doesn't help me open songs created on my, or my > client's computers. > > Am I getting you right? Does this make sense? > > Thanks, Dave > > Greg > > > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:24 PM, David Gordon wrote: > >> The grayed out ESB instances are a result of the systems having >> different hardware input setups. >> >> Inputs are assigned numerically in Logic, with the hardware inputs >> coming first, followed by ESB. For example in an 8-input system, ESB >> 1-2 will be input numbers 9 & 10, ESB 3-4 will be 11 & 12, etc. So >> if one system has only 8 inputs and another has 16 inputs, then the >> ESB inputs from the 16 input system will be grayed out in the smaller >> system, because the mixer in the song will be looking for input >> number 17, which does not exist on the 8 input system. >> >> By re-instanciating the ESB inputs, they pick up the correct input >> number for the current configuration. >> >> - Dave >> >> >> David Gordon >> Composer/Producer >> Sequoia Records >> >> http://www.sequoiarecords.com >> >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Bob DeMaa wrote: >> >>> that's a new one to me. I've moved logic sessions back and forth on >>> my systems, and back and forth with a couple of clients, but >>> everyone >>> has such different approaches to setup. >>> >>> I'm completely speculating now. perhaps there is a difference in >>> the >>> versions of ESB you are each running? Is this even a possibility? >>> >>> It's still odd though that changing windows causes your audio to >>> stop >>> playing. >>> >>> Just out of curiosity, if you open your key commands window, is it >>> grayed out or can you enter key