Hi all. I'm sure it must be possible, but can I save a Logic 7.2 song as an earlier version (7.1), so I can open it on another computer? How do I do it? I can't upgrade the second computer, as I need to keep Tools at 6.9.3. Don't ask why, it's been a long few weeks. Any help would be super appreciated. Thanks, Richard. On 20/08/2006, at 11:49 PM, PLASMA sonic productions wrote: > Thank you f-erenc and Matt! > > That's good news. > Cheers, > Richard. > > On 17/08/2006, at 4:56 AM, f-erenc szabo wrote: > > > PLASMA sonic productions <studiob@plasma.com.au>wrote: > > >I just want to be sure that before I load Logic 7.2 on my G5 > that it > > >won't stop all my Native Instruments from running. > > > > Logic 7.2 requires Tiger, and every NI plugin > > is now Tiger compatible on a G5 or G4 processor. > > > > I can't think of any that are Intel compatible though. > > > > f-erenc szabo, smarty pants > > Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T > > "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" > > <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

4 days ago I went over to Digital Performer. Mainly because I got sick of several issues with Logic when using it as a FE for DAE. 1. switching presets in Virus TDM without going into the f-ing menu (i use the virus alot) 2. stupid esb or light pipe. 3. my chioce of lightpipe and the annoying random latencey that happens between the 2 engines on each subsequent playback. 4. Apple's lack of support for RTAS. 5. Apple's f*%?*@uck you all attitude/they know best/never listen to their users blah blah blah complex. As you can tell I am really peed off. Mainly because I love Logic (having been a user for 12 years now), and I am really hacked off that I am having to learn a news platform. DP is harder to use, the interface is no where near as sexy, the plugins are crap, the midi editing is not as intuitive... in short it is a totally different beast. I have also found out that I can still cannot flick to the next preset in my virus TDM. BUT I can 1. use RTAS and TDM on the same track (hence my entire plugin collection has been opened up for use again, as most of them I can install as RTAS aswell). 2. always rely on sample accurate playback... no timing slips between RTAS and DAE (as there was between CA and DAE). Of course I know that they are different principles, but they have the same outcome... I just wanted to be able to run native and TDM together without the timing going everywhere. 3. Phone up MOTU and even get 1 of their tech support people to phone me back with an answer... Woooooooooooooow he actually gave a shit!!!!! BUT I still love Logic; I am missing ES2, EXS24 and Space Designer already. But I am going to stick to my guns, embrace this new situation and.................. as you can see there are many BUTS in this post. I am racked with indecision. I have already moves over to what is really, I suppose an inferior platform, yet I know I have to because it benefits me and the way I work. Cheers G

Hi, Why don¹t you use the Pro Tools software instead, if Digital Performer is not good with MIDI and instruments? Audio tracks and mixing with Pro Tools is very satisfying for me. The automation works predictable it does not crash as often as other programs do. I use a native Logic system (for MIDI and software instruments) on different G5 and use 24 lightpipe channels to bring things up in Pro Tools. I can control the transport from both platforms (via MIDI Timecode). The only drawback is that latency compensation is not linked... One has to learn to live with that. Biggest advantage: I spend more time on making music than configuring and bugfixing my system. I don¹t have to find ³workarounds² how to avoid crashes. With Mac OS 9 Logic TDM was a winning combination for me, with OS X never. As I use a Windows PC also to bring up some ³pc-only² things like giga sampler it¹s not that new to me, to have specialized computers for different tasks. It seems like a step backwards but it¹s much more satisfying for me because it works... Kind regards Mark Am 31.08.2006 8:33 Uhr schrieb "Ed Goring" unter <forums@logic-users.org>: > > > > > Message posted by Ed Goring <ed@peachsky.co.uk <mailto:ed%40peachsky.co.uk> >: > > 4 days ago I went over to Digital Performer. Mainly because I got sick of > several issues with Logic when using it as a FE for DAE. > > 1. switching presets in Virus TDM without going into the f-ing menu (i use > the virus alot) > 2. stupid esb or light pipe. > 3. my chioce of lightpipe and the annoying random latencey that happens > between the 2 engines on each subsequent playback. > 4. Apple's lack of support for RTAS. > 5. Apple's f*%?*@uck you all attitude/they know best/never listen to their > users blah blah blah complex. > > As you can tell I am really peed off. Mainly because I love Logic (having > been a user for 12 years now), and I am really hacked off that I am having > to learn a news platform. DP is harder to use, the interface is no where > near as sexy, the plugins are crap, the midi editing is not as intuitive... > in short it is a totally different beast. I have also found out that I can > still cannot flick to the next preset in my virus TDM. > > BUT I can > > 1. use RTAS and TDM on the same track (hence my entire plugin collection has > been opened up for use again, as most of them I can install as RTAS aswell). > 2. always rely on sample accurate playback... no timing slips between RTAS > and DAE (as there was between CA and DAE). Of course I know that they are > different principles, but they have the same outcome... I > just wanted to be able to run native and TDM together without the timing > going everywhere. > 3. Phone up MOTU and even get 1 of their tech support people to phone me > back with an answer... Woooooooooooooow he actually gave a shit!!!!! > > BUT > > I still love Logic; I am missing ES2, EXS24 and Space Designer already. > > But I am going to stick to my guns, embrace this new situation > and.................. as you can see there are many BUTS in this post. I am > racked with indecision. I have already moves over to what is really, I > suppose an inferior platform, yet I know I have to because it benefits me > and the way I work. > > Cheers G > > > -- Mark Ziebarth Mühlenkamp 12 d 22303 Hamburg Telefon: ++494027800926 (Studio) ++491733135456 (mobil) ++494065055216 (Fax)

Hi, sorry, can't find the original thread and am not able to sign in the web. So that way... I got the error, too. The first time and it macking me stupid. For sure it comes up everytime you don't have time for that kind of ***:::***. The don't open from "last opened songs" and not from the finder is a good hint. But I wonder what it can be. I have 6.5GB Ram. Should be enough. I have testet it a couple of nights. They are OK! Another song with the same autoload, instruments, plugins, but with other audioregions works perfectly (for now). What I have done is a lot of midi-parameters in audio regions like the delay in the upper left corner of the arrange-window. I have "normalised" the midi-paramters into the audio regions and am wondering if that does the trick. Regards, Axel

very interesting, i'm certainly not adverse to using 2 computers. questions... what interfaces do you use i.e from native logic and into PT do you run logic as a slave to PT do you experience any latency between HD and core audio coming in, if so is it always constant. + any other considerations that you think I should know about. Thanks G

Tried it, hated it, dropped it. DP is a total head-fuck. Thanks Dominik for helping with my Virus TDM prob. I have now taken off delay compensation and the slip between CA and DAE is a lot less. Hello Logic, not perfect by a long shot, but I still love you. Thinking of now using 2 computers and lightpiping logic into PT. PS anyone out there who wants a brand new copy of DP???? (yeahh right) Ed

I'd go to Cubase SX3 before going to DP. Just can't handle that DP beast... But a lot of composers I know use 2 computers. PT for digitizing, mixing and movie playback. Logic for writing. On Aug 31, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Ed Goring wrote: > Message posted by Ed Goring <ed@peachsky.co.uk>: > > Tried it, hated it, dropped it. > > DP is a total head-fuck. > > Thanks Dominik for helping with my Virus TDM prob. > > I have now taken off delay compensation and the slip between CA and > DAE is a > lot less. > > Hello Logic, not perfect by a long shot, but I still love you. > > Thinking of now using 2 computers and lightpiping logic into PT. > > PS anyone out there who wants a brand new copy of DP???? (yeahh right) > > Ed

Logic is now working so much better withour plugin delay comp. I'm gonna stick with it, but at some point I am going to get another G5 and light pipe my Logic workings into PT. SORTED. I hope?

I don't yell at Apple for not supporting RTAS. The reason for Audio Units is to provide one standard, and if Digidesign and Steinberg don't want to use it, it's their decision. I'm not dissing either company, just saying that it's not really up to Apple to support RTAS. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

Nick Batzdorf <recording@earthlink.net> wrote: >I don't yell at Apple for not supporting RTAS. The reason for Audio >Units is to provide one standard, and if Digidesign and Steinberg >don't want to use it, it's their decision. I'm not dissing either >company, just saying that it's not really up to Apple to support RTAS. But once Digidesign abandoned HTDM for RTAS (to use on TDM tracks), it would have been nice for Apple to follow this. The ability to use a native engine (DTDM or CoreAudio) in parallel to the TDM engine is no comparison to being able to use native plugins on TDM tracks. Emagic once tweaked Logic to allow for HTDM support many years ago. It would be nice if Apple tweaked Logic to allow RTAS support. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

Does everyone experience audio dropping out when instanciating TDM plugins. Also what are the ideal device settings. mine are... 44.1 24 bit Core Audio I/O Buffer 256 DAE Large Disc Buffer What is Mix Card type, mine is on 64... Is this correct. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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"Ed Goring" <forums@logic-users.org> wrote: > Does everyone experience audio dropping out when > instanciating TDM plugins. Yes, that's the way TDM works and always has. Even creating sends, or mono/stereo switching etc will also interrupt the audio. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

Sorry did I miss something ?? Does turning off Plug In Delay compensation make a big difference with the timing issues between TDM and CA when using a light pipe ??? It's the one thing that stopped me making that move, this would really swing it for me..... --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Goring" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by Ed Goring <ed@...>: > > Tried it, hated it, dropped it. > > DP is a total head-fuck. > > Thanks Dominik for helping with my Virus TDM prob. > > I have now taken off delay compensation and the slip between CA and DAE is a > lot less. > > Hello Logic, not perfect by a long shot, but I still love you. > > Thinking of now using 2 computers and lightpiping logic into PT. > > PS anyone out there who wants a brand new copy of DP???? (yeahh right) > > Ed >

Does going back to Protools 7.1cs8/9 fix the Auto Input Monitoring issue? Just thought I'd ask before doing the un-install re-install procedure... Thanks Tony --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Niels Brinck" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by Niels Brinck <nielzy5@...>: > > I really miss it too! Can't communicate like I want with people in recording room!! > Hope Apple fixes this one soon.. >

OK this is what happened to me. I have been running CA and DAE for 3 months now. And was getting so hacked off with the random latency slip between CA and DAE that I went to the lengths of buying Digital Performer. I spent 3 days on it and hated it. So, in desperation I tried DAE and DTDM, which just went mad and none of my audio units worked. While close to suicide I was speaking to a tecky mate of mine who, although only uses CA is such a geak supposed geniouses from the genious bar at Mac phone him and ask him to solve problems for customers (good to know apple have their employe vetting process in hand, but that is a nother thing). He explained to me how plugin delay comp worked and suggested that in turning it off each time I pressed play my mac would not have to rely on performing this calculation, which in turn might help. So that is what I did, and this is what happened. Before... pre delay would vary between -13 and -29, i.e making it impossible to construct grooves and beats in CA. After... pre delay now varies between -12 and -17. making it so much easier to work with. It's not perfect but yesterday, for the first time I was able to construct beats and a really tight tennthy bass line in CA without really having to worry. So as far as I am concerned it is an absolute result. + now I have been given a work around for flicking through Virus TDM presets without having to scroll through the f-ing menu each time. I am generally very happy again. Back In Love, you might say. Hope this has been of help. ps I am about to post a new thread about a problem I am recieving with my Virus set up... please read. Cheers G

Who uses Virus TDM and how do they have it setup. I am experiencing something really weird. Let's say that I have 4 instances of Virus 1 on Auxes 41-48. I have these cables to 4 instrument objects that I feed them midi info on from the arr page. they are output assigned Virus 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d. Why is it that after a while suddenly, Virus 3 sound is coming through on Virus 1 Aux channel, Virus 2 the same, and sometime Virus 4. If I then reinstanciate Virus 2-4 they all come out of the right channels again. I have just got my latency slip sorted.... now this. Please help me someone, any angles would be good. Thanks G

All the talk about using Logic and light piping/Core Audio into PT hardware etc... doh! Never occurred to me to run LA on a computer (maybe a powerbook?) and use PT on a dedicated Mac for audio (which still does the best job at audio iedting). Now there's an idea... Thanks Mark Tony --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Mark Ziebarth <mark@...> wrote: > > Hi, > Why don¹t you use the Pro Tools software instead, if Digital Performer is > not good with MIDI and instruments? > Audio tracks and mixing with Pro Tools is very satisfying for me. The > automation works predictable it does not crash as often as other programs > do. I use a native Logic system (for MIDI and software instruments) on > different G5 and use 24 lightpipe channels to bring things up in Pro Tools. > I can control the transport from both platforms (via MIDI Timecode). The > only drawback is that latency compensation is not linked... One has to learn > to live with that. > Biggest advantage: I spend more time on making music than configuring and > bugfixing my system. I don¹t have to find ³workarounds² how to avoid > crashes. > With Mac OS 9 Logic TDM was a winning combination for me, with OS X never. > As I use a Windows PC also to bring up some ³pc-only² things like giga > sampler it¹s not that new to me, to have specialized computers for different > tasks. It seems like a step backwards but it¹s much more satisfying for me > because it works... > > Kind regards > > Mark > > > Am 31.08.2006 8:33 Uhr schrieb "Ed Goring" unter <forums@...>: > > > > > > > > > > > Message posted by Ed Goring <ed@... <mailto:ed%40peachsky.co.uk> >: > > > > 4 days ago I went over to Digital Performer. Mainly because I got sick of > > several issues with Logic when using it as a FE for DAE. > > > > 1. switching presets in Virus TDM without going into the f-ing menu (i use > > the virus alot) > > 2. stupid esb or light pipe. > > 3. my chioce of lightpipe and the annoying random latencey that happens > > between the 2 engines on each subsequent playback. > > 4. Apple's lack of support for RTAS. > > 5. Apple's f*%?*@uck you all attitude/they know best/never listen to their > > users blah blah blah complex. > > > > As you can tell I am really peed off. Mainly because I love Logic (having > > been a user for 12 years now), and I am really hacked off that I am having > > to learn a news platform. DP is harder to use, the interface is no where > > near as sexy, the plugins are crap, the midi editing is not as intuitive... > > in short it is a totally different beast. I have also found out that I can > > still cannot flick to the next preset in my virus TDM. > > > > BUT I can > > > > 1. use RTAS and TDM on the same track (hence my entire plugin collection has > > been opened up for use again, as most of them I can install as RTAS aswell). > > 2. always rely on sample accurate playback... no timing slips between RTAS > > and DAE (as there was between CA and DAE). Of course I know that they are > > different principles, but they have the same outcome... I > > just wanted to be able to run native and TDM together without the timing > > going everywhere. > > 3. Phone up MOTU and even get 1 of their tech support people to phone me > > back with an answer... Woooooooooooooow he actually gave a shit!!!!! > > > > BUT > > > > I still love Logic; I am missing ES2, EXS24 and Space Designer already. > > > > But I am going to stick to my guns, embrace this new situation > > and.................. as you can see there are many BUTS in this post. I am > > racked with indecision. I have already moves over to what is really, I > > suppose an inferior platform, yet I know I have to because it benefits me > > and the way I work. > > > > Cheers G > > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Ziebarth > Mühlenkamp 12 d > 22303 Hamburg > Telefon: > ++494027800926 (Studio) > ++491733135456 (mobil) > ++494065055216 (Fax) > > > > >

I use PT 7.1 cs9 with Logic 7.2.1 and I do not have that problem . best regards Lars K --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Tony" <ramatone@...> wrote: > > Does going back to Protools 7.1cs8/9 fix the Auto Input Monitoring issue? Just thought I'd > ask before doing the un-install re-install procedure... > Thanks > Tony > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Niels Brinck" <forums@> wrote: > > > > Message posted by Niels Brinck <nielzy5@>: > > > > I really miss it too! Can't communicate like I want with people in recording room!! > > Hope Apple fixes this one soon.. > > >

Hi, as far as I know, if you setup the virus with 1a, 1b, 1c and so on (on one chip) the only drawback is that the effects come out of the channel where 1a is inserted. Kind regards Mark Am 02.09.2006 12:03 Uhr schrieb "Ed Goring" unter <forums@logic-users.org>: > > > > > Message posted by Ed Goring <ed@peachsky.co.uk <mailto:ed%40peachsky.co.uk> >: > > Who uses Virus TDM and how do they have it setup. > > I am experiencing something really weird. Let's say that I have 4 instances > of Virus 1 on Auxes 41-48. I have these cables to 4 instrument objects that > I feed them midi info on from the arr page. they are output assigned Virus > 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d. Why is it that after a while suddenly, Virus 3 sound is > coming through on Virus 1 Aux channel, Virus 2 the same, and sometime Virus > 4. If I then reinstanciate Virus 2-4 they all come out of the right channels > again. > > I have just got my latency slip sorted.... now this. > > Please help me someone, any angles would be good. > > Thanks G > > -- Mark Ziebarth Mühlenkamp 12 d 22303 Hamburg Telefon: ++494027800926 (Studio) ++491733135456 (mobil) ++494065055216 (Fax)

Thanks Lars. I'll try going back from PT 7.2 and report my results over the next few days. I've had lots of emails about the Auto Monitoring issue so it's obviously an issue. Tony --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "klogedk" <kloge@...> wrote: > > I use PT 7.1 cs9 with Logic 7.2.1 and I do not have that problem . > > best regards Lars K > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Tony" <ramatone@> wrote: > > > > Does going back to Protools 7.1cs8/9 fix the Auto Input Monitoring issue? Just thought I'd > > ask before doing the un-install re-install procedure... > > Thanks > > Tony > > > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Niels Brinck" <forums@> wrote: > > > > > > Message posted by Niels Brinck <nielzy5@>: > > > > > > I really miss it too! Can't communicate like I want with people in recording room!! > > > Hope Apple fixes this one soon.. > > > > > >

On 02-09-06 11:57, "Ed Goring" <forums@logic-users.org> wrote: > > + now I have been given a work around for flicking through Virus TDM presets > without having to scroll through the f-ing menu each time. I am generally very > happy again. Would you mind telling what you did as a work around? > Back In Love, you might say. > > Hope this has been of help. Not at all... You haven´t explained the work around for us. Regards. Henning.

you were right thats what it was, just getting confused. Thanks

Some very kind person gave me all of the factory virus presets as channel strip settings, which you can assign to a key command (next channel strip setting/ previous channel strip setting). Although it is not perfect it still only takes 1/2 a second to load the next preset. Audio obviously faulters while flicking through them but, hey, it's so much better that delving into the menu. If you are interested, my advice is to make sure that you have at least one other virus instanciated on the same chip, this saves time, i.e Logic doesn't waist time assigning virus to a new chip. Also if you want to do it this way I have most of the factory settings as channel strips + a load of Manuel Schleiss sets that I have converted too. Good luck Ed

Hello, I think that the reason that no one has replied to your post is because what you are talking about is a total black-art. I'm sure that everyone on this board worked their way to where they are in very different ways. The overall rule is commitment. And shit loads of it. Get contacts, work as a studio tape-op, tea girl / boy, PA, Runner... anything to put you around people who might need you at some point. At some stage you will impress / get on / have a laugh with / get drunk with someone who values your work. Then work that contact. Be bold and shameless about introducing yourself... lie, cheat, bull shit, blag... anything to get work. If you are able to do the job (that's in any field of Audio/Visual) then it will not matter how you got the gig in the first place. Just be in the right place when some one else messes up. There are no hard and fast rules, just put yourself out there. Be around the people whose job you would like. There is no hierarchy, just people who have more enthusiasm than others. Good Luck.