Thanks so much Dave! What version? Best, Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of David Gordon > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:08 PM > To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [L-TDM] Lock-SMPTE bug alert // WAS: automation bug > > Thanks for both of your responses. I did check the hyperdraw as Bob > suggested, but that was not the issue. > > Now, I found out what happened. I thought I posted something about > this in the last couple days but don't recall for sure. > > It turns out it is a Logic bug, but it's not specifically related to > automation. Actually this bug affected many of the events in the > song and turned into a much bigger problem. I worked around it, but > it is not solved and this song file is now damaged. > > Here is what happened: Someone gave my a file of 6/8 drum parts > recorded into Logic with the time sig set to 4/4. So to get the drum > parts properly lined up in 6/8, I used the Region > Lock SMPTE > Position command, then I changed the time sig and tempo to what was > needed. This worked great. The audio and midi parts were all lined > up nicely. I completed the song which has many tracks and plenty of > automation. > > Next, I needed to do a shorter version of the same song, so I used > the Region > Unlock SMPTE Position command and proceeded to cut some > stuff and drag around some regions. That's when I noticed the > automation bug and posted my query. Later I noticed that some of the > midi notes inside the sequences themselves had not moved when I > dragged the sequences - they still had the little SMPTE-Lock icon. > So I selected those notes and tried to unlock them in the event > editor. No luck, they stayed locked. I tried copying and pasting > the notes to a new regions. No change. Some randomly selected notes > through many sequences had become permanently locked. > > As I did more tests and continued working on the remix, I noticed > that the automation was even acting strangely when dragging with the > automation select tool. Multiple nodes would move just fine, but > some of the individual nodes would not move. > > So I opened the automation event editor (control-option-command-space > in my keyset). That showed the same problem as the midi regions of > some but not all of the events permanently locked. > > So the bottom line - I had to reconstruct some elements of the song > and I had to work around the regions with the locked notes and > construct my remix there. That solved this emergency, but it does > not explain how this happened. I also tried locking some SMPTE > positions in another test song and found that this bug is > intermittent, but it does happen regularly though not every time. > > What concerns me about this is that there are often reasons to lock > SMPTE positions and now I wonder if it's possible to use that > function. Certainly, whenever I do use it, I will first duplicate > the regions and keep copies that have not been locked in case I need > to reconstruct what happened. > > > - Dave

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "myronpoo" <myronpoo@...> wrote: > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, forums@ wrote: > > > > Message posted by Dom <lug@>: > > > > Hi, > > > > First of all the good news. I have now finally upgraded from my > beloved > > OS9/Mix system to HD 2 Accel PCIe, G5 Dual 2.3, Pro Tools 7.1cs7 & Logic > > 7.2.1. I braced myself for the worst, but so far, in the first 3 > days the > > system has been 100% stable, not a single crash, ESB working fine etc. > > > > I just have 2 small questions: Can ReVibe (or any other surround > reverb) be > > used in surround in Logic TDM? Question 2: Can Digidesign EQ 3 be > used in > > stereo? It comes up on mono channels, but stereo channels only give > (awful) > > EQ II as an option. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Dom > > > Hi, > The EQ3 is only mono which means you have to run dual mono mode. I > don't even know how to do that in Logic. Hmmmmm. anyone? > Yes, I have a couple of mono-only plug-ins and just for those I keep one dual mono bus - all my other busses are in stereo pairs. You can send stereo signal to a dual mono Bus and it shows as Left and Right. Then you need to assign the mono EQ separately on each channel and you can send the result back to a stereo bus for more stereo processing or straight to an output. Works fine for me. However, I would recommend getting a better quality EQ and avoid this issue altogether. I use Oxford and McDSP Channel G, both sound great. Apparently the TDM-only Messenburg EQ is the best there is ($795). There is also a Messenburg option for the Oxford EQ, sold separately. Cheers, Danail Getz

Hi Andy... Glad you enjoyed my story! Have you seen this bug in action? It's spooky! Locking SMPTE positions seems so innocent, who would expect it to be a one-way trip? Logic 7.1, OS X 10.3.8, PT 6.9, HD2, Dual 1G 1.5G Ram I'm preparing to do the $49 upgrade to Logic 7.2 which will actually cost thousands of dollars. Logic 7.2 requires PT 7.2, which omits HTDM, causing a huge Domino effect of money extraction... a Digi exchange of the old HD2 to HD3 Accel and a new PCI-e Mac... and then of course with all that horsepower, better save up for some more plugins... Hopefully installing and re-authorizing everything won't take so long that the next generation of Macs and Pro Tools will be out by the time everything is up and running! - Dave On May 25, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Andy Hardwake wrote: > Thanks so much Dave! What version? > > Best, > > Andy > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com] On >> Behalf Of David Gordon >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:08 PM >> To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [L-TDM] Lock-SMPTE bug alert // WAS: automation bug >> >> Thanks for both of your responses. I did check the hyperdraw as Bob >> suggested, but that was not the issue. >> >> Now, I found out what happened. I thought I posted something about >> this in the last couple days but don't recall for sure. >> >> It turns out it is a Logic bug, but it's not specifically related to >> automation. Actually this bug affected many of the events in the >> song and turned into a much bigger problem. I worked around it, but >> it is not solved and this song file is now damaged. >> >> Here is what happened: Someone gave my a file of 6/8 drum parts >> recorded into Logic with the time sig set to 4/4. So to get the drum >> parts properly lined up in 6/8, I used the Region > Lock SMPTE >> Position command, then I changed the time sig and tempo to what was >> needed. This worked great. The audio and midi parts were all lined >> up nicely. I completed the song which has many tracks and plenty of >> automation. >> >> Next, I needed to do a shorter version of the same song, so I used >> the Region > Unlock SMPTE Position command and proceeded to cut some >> stuff and drag around some regions. That's when I noticed the >> automation bug and posted my query. Later I noticed that some of the >> midi notes inside the sequences themselves had not moved when I >> dragged the sequences - they still had the little SMPTE-Lock icon. >> So I selected those notes and tried to unlock them in the event >> editor. No luck, they stayed locked. I tried copying and pasting >> the notes to a new regions. No change. Some randomly selected notes >> through many sequences had become permanently locked. >> >> As I did more tests and continued working on the remix, I noticed >> that the automation was even acting strangely when dragging with the >> automation select tool. Multiple nodes would move just fine, but >> some of the individual nodes would not move. >> >> So I opened the automation event editor (control-option-command-space >> in my keyset). That showed the same problem as the midi regions of >> some but not all of the events permanently locked. >> >> So the bottom line - I had to reconstruct some elements of the song >> and I had to work around the regions with the locked notes and >> construct my remix there. That solved this emergency, but it does >> not explain how this happened. I also tried locking some SMPTE >> positions in another test song and found that this bug is >> intermittent, but it does happen regularly though not every time. >> >> What concerns me about this is that there are often reasons to lock >> SMPTE positions and now I wonder if it's possible to use that >> function. Certainly, whenever I do use it, I will first duplicate >> the regions and keep copies that have not been locked in case I need >> to reconstruct what happened. >> >> >> - Dave >

> I just have 2 small questions: Can ReVibe (or any other surround reverb) be > used in surround in Logic TDM? Question 2: Can Digidesign EQ 3 be used in > stereo? It comes up on mono channels, but stereo channels only give (awful) > EQ II as an option. Hi Dom, TDM surround plugins are not supported in Logic Pro. Logic Pro is not supporting multi mono plugins at all. Some TDM plugins are not available as "real" stereo plugins. ProTools will show you stereo or surround versions of these plugins in the dedicated multi mono menu. they will open up as stereo or surround plugins within only one plugin window, but behind the scenes two or more mono instances are used. There is no such feature in Logic Pro with DAE/TDM and I doubt that it ever will be there. If a developer of TDM plugins would like to be compatible with Logic Pro he should deliver "real" stereo versions of his plugin, most TDM developers still do so... I do hope this information will help, M.K.BEAT

Thanks for info. I actually have Oxford EQ but I think it's a shame the curve is not interactive (i'm a lazy user) , the same with the McDSP Channel G unfortunately. I just quite liked the EQ3, and I thought it sounded quite good. But then that's probably just me - I actually think the Logic Channel eq is almost as good as the SonyOxford. Shame there are no surround buses or tracks in Logic - maybe one day there will be? Let's hope so.... Dom

Since we're talking EQ, a little overlooked EQ that I think does a great job is the Cambridge EQ from UA. It's my new work horse although EQIII and MC DSP are great too. I've also heard from a reliable Mix engineer that the new SSL EQ's are pretty amazing too. B On May 24, 2006, at 2:29 PM, Danail Getz wrote: > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "myronpoo" <myronpoo@...> wrote: >> >> --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, forums@ wrote: >>> >>> Message posted by Dom <lug@>: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> First of all the good news. I have now finally upgraded from my >> beloved >>> OS9/Mix system to HD 2 Accel PCIe, G5 Dual 2.3, Pro Tools 7.1cs7 >>> & Logic >>> 7.2.1. I braced myself for the worst, but so far, in the first 3 >> days the >>> system has been 100% stable, not a single crash, ESB working fine >>> etc. >>> >>> I just have 2 small questions: Can ReVibe (or any other surround >> reverb) be >>> used in surround in Logic TDM? Question 2: Can Digidesign EQ 3 be >> used in >>> stereo? It comes up on mono channels, but stereo channels only give >> (awful) >>> EQ II as an option. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Dom >>> >> Hi, >> The EQ3 is only mono which means you have to run dual mono mode. I >> don't even know how to do that in Logic. Hmmmmm. anyone? >> > Yes, I have a couple of mono-only plug-ins and just for those I > keep one dual mono bus - > all my other busses are in stereo pairs. You can send stereo > signal to a dual mono Bus > and it shows as Left and Right. Then you need to assign the mono > EQ separately on each > channel and you can send the result back to a stereo bus for more > stereo processing or > straight to an output. Works fine for me. However, I would > recommend getting a better > quality EQ and avoid this issue altogether. I use Oxford and McDSP > Channel G, both sound > great. Apparently the TDM-only Messenburg EQ is the best there is > ($795). There is also > a Messenburg option for the Oxford EQ, sold separately. > > Cheers, > Danail Getz > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hi Dave, > Glad you enjoyed my story! Have you seen this bug in action? It's > spooky! Locking SMPTE positions seems so innocent, who would expect > it to be a one-way trip? Nope, never seen it... I compose and track in Logic, then mix in PT, so that's probably why... > > I'm preparing to do the $49 upgrade to Logic 7.2 which will actually > cost thousands of dollars. Logic 7.2 requires PT 7.2, which omits > HTDM, causing a huge Domino effect of money extraction... a Digi > exchange of the old HD2 to HD3 Accel and a new PCI-e Mac... and then > of course with all that horsepower, better save up for some more > plugins... No such dilemma for me :-) - 7.1.1/PT 6.4.1/OS 10.3.8 probably until the last day of this system... > > Hopefully installing and re-authorizing everything won't take so long > that the next generation of Macs and Pro Tools will be out by the > time everything is up and running! Who cares about McIntel machines? How long it will take before they are good for audio? Guess I'd rather make music then try to keep up with the progress :-) , or maybe I am just getting old and concervative :-) ... Best, Andy (still working with a rack of hardware samplers)

> Since we're talking EQ, a little overlooked EQ that I think does a > great job is the Cambridge EQ from UA. It's my new work horse > although EQIII and MC DSP are great too. I've also heard from a > reliable Mix engineer that the new SSL EQ's are pretty amazing too. Agreed, but UA are discontinuing their TDM development. I use Filterbank and Oxford 99% of the time. JR

That's unfortunate news. I don't know what I'd be using in place of those 1176 emulations. Maybe the UAD cards not such a bad investment. On May 25, 2006, at 11:49 AM, James Richmond wrote: > >> Since we're talking EQ, a little overlooked EQ that I think does a >> great job is the Cambridge EQ from UA. It's my new work horse >> although EQIII and MC DSP are great too. I've also heard from a >> reliable Mix engineer that the new SSL EQ's are pretty amazing too. > > Agreed, but UA are discontinuing their TDM development. > > I use Filterbank and Oxford 99% of the time. > > JR

Hi I have to bounce some short files to disc in mp3 format for use as cell phone rings (or, bounce them as .aif and convert them). I have found that using any setting below 32 kbps (24, or 16, or 8) in Logic results in an unreadable file. Using Logic 7.2, Mac OS 10.4.6, G4 Powerbook 1.33GHz, 1 GB RAM. Not wanting to spend too long trying to fix something in Logic that I'm not going to use too often, I then tried using Quicktime to convert an aif to the required rate. This also doesn't work. I also tried Audacity (a free OSX audio app). It will make the files correctly, but the sound quality is much worse than when Logic (and therefore, I assume, Quicktime) does the conversion. I noticed that a lot of the higher frequencies were missing in Audacity's 24 kbps mp3, much more than I would have expected. I then used Audacity to convert to 32 kbps, and compared it with Logic's 32 kbps file. Logic's was far brighter and cleaner. I've also tried using ProTools 6.9 on a G5 2x2GHz and OS 10.3.8. There isn't an option for such low quality mp3. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to get a 24 or 16 kbps mp3 in OS X, other than the methods I have already tried? Thanks in advance. Kind regards Murray Murray Anderson Milestone Studios 15 Wicht Close Tennant Road Cape Town 8001 Tel: +27 (0)21-4617591 Fax: +27 (0)21-4654119 Mobile: +27 (0)83-2306940 Website: www.milestones.co.za -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Bob DeMaa <bobdemaa@...> wrote: > > That's unfortunate news. I don't know what I'd be using in place of > those 1176 emulations. Maybe the UAD cards not such a bad investment. > > On May 25, 2006, at 11:49 AM, James Richmond wrote: > > > > >> Since we're talking EQ, a little overlooked EQ that I think does a > >> great job is the Cambridge EQ from UA. It's my new work horse > >> although EQIII and MC DSP are great too. I've also heard from a > >> reliable Mix engineer that the new SSL EQ's are pretty amazing too. > > > > Agreed, but UA are discontinuing their TDM development. > > > > I use Filterbank and Oxford 99% of the time. > > > > JR > If you have both Filterbank and Oxford, when would you use one and when would you use the other? Bob Vandiver

Barbabatch has been doing things like this for me very reliably (www.audioease.com). It stops, however, at 32kbps. Perhaps a mono 32kbps will meet your needs. Let us know what works. Best, Nathaniel Reichman www.nathanielreichman.com On May 25, 2006, at 8:33 PM, logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message 11 > From: "Murray Anderson" mca@milestones.co.za > Date: Thu May 25, 2006 0:40pm(PDT) > Subject: Problem bouncing to low-rate mp3 in Logic 7.2 > > > Does anyone have a suggestion on how to get a 24 or 16 kbps mp3 in OS > X, > other than the methods I have already tried? >

Ok, I'm suddenly in a posittion where I would need a good Timestrech tool. (Rmx's etc.) There is some activity on different audio forums right now about Serrato's and Izotopes algos implemented in Logic's TnP Machine. People seem to be very pleased with Izotope's Radius and at a introductory price of 199 US it sure seems to be a great option to Serrato's "PnT". Today I own SPEED HD. Now, does anyone here have input on how well SPEED stands up to Serrato? Does anyone even have all three of them? Thanks In Advance, Erik

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, forums@... wrote: > > Message posted by Dom <lug@...>: > > Thanks for info. I actually have Oxford EQ but I think it's a shame the curve is not interactive (i'm a lazy user) , the same with the McDSP Channel G unfortunately. I just quite liked the EQ3, and I thought it sounded quite good. But then that's probably just me - I actually think the Logic Channel eq is almost as good as the SonyOxford. > > Shame there are no surround buses or tracks in Logic - maybe one day there will be? Let's hope so.... > > Dom > Hi Dom. You are right - uninteractive parametric EQ is very awkward to work with. But I do find Sony Oxford audibly better sounding than the Logic EQ, so I would go through the trouble of working its many knobs and make presets since, you know, it comes with...none. Best, Danail

The Irish band I'm recording right now is using Guitar & Mandolin among other instruments. Now I have the issue that the Guitar and Mandolin tracks are a bit drifting. My question is which could be the best way to proceed to 'quantize' and make those two tracks 'work' (align) together. Bear in mind that they were recorded using a click track, but as you might imagine timing is not always perfect. The guitar and mandolin parts are played quite rhythmically and therefore it would be a tedious work to cut and align all single notes. I was hoping there is another way of doing this, such as Beat Detective in PT, which I've used but I wasn't happy with the results. Some Banjo parts have been aligned used Melodyne and that has worked fine. Has anybody tried Vocalign for such tracks or do you have any other advise to give? Best regards, Sven

I have Speed and the Serrato. Radius sounds good on the demo page. My general issue is getting Serrato to work reliably as an Audiosuite plugin. (I have the original version, not the Logic addon). Speed sounds worse to me than any of them. Serrato kicks the butt of everything else I ever tried, but maybe Radius is closer. It's not that I don't like Speed.... it just came with a bundle and never really knocked me out. I have been trying to get info from Serrato about upgrading to the Logic version if you already own the original, but no info forthcoming. (Since this is the TDM list) I recently tried the straight Digi Time Compression on a single vocal track. It was as good as Serrato for a mono track, but didn't handle mixed stuff as well. It has been improved a lot the last couple years though. -mark On May 26, 2006, at 5:01 PM, logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Serrato, Speed & now Radius > > > Now, does anyone here have input on how well SPEED stands up to > Serrato? Does anyone > even have all three of them? > > Thanks In Advance, > > Erik
Mark Henderson  mark@dirtydogproductions.net 952.210.4801

> other instruments. Now I have the issue that the Guitar and Mandolin > tracks > are a bit drifting. My question is which could be the best way to proceed Although admittedly it means a lot of work, but I have pretty good luck with using 'strip silence' and quantizing (you can set up a quantize based on an existing audio track). You will undoubtedly have to go in and undo/nudge certain notes around (you should definitely work from a copy) but you can get things sounding quite tight this way. Just be prepared to have to do some manual work. best, Nathan ___ Nathan Rosenberg Music Production The Doghouse NYC www.doghouseNYC.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.4/351 - Release Date: 5/29/2006

Hi All, Any suggestions for what could replace L3/L2 TDM for use in Logic7.2? thanks Mark

On 31/05/2006, at 10:14 AM, ativity2003 wrote: > Hi All, > Any suggestions for what could replace L3/L2 TDM for use in Logic7.2? A precision Limiter on a UAD-1 card. Better sounding IMO and now available for PCIe as well as PCI. Logic's own Limiter (not Adaptive Limiter) is no slouch either... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

Yes, Check out the PSP Master Comp and their Master Q. I really like them both, and they sound more transparent than the Waves stuff. b On May 30, 2006, at 5:14 PM, ativity2003 wrote: > Hi All, > Any suggestions for what could replace L3/L2 TDM for use in Logic7.2? > > > thanks > > Mark

Dear Nathan, Many thanks for your advice.. I'll try this out :-) Best regards, Sven -----Original Message----- From: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Doghouse NYC Sent: 30 May 2006 16:11 To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [L-TDM] Audio Quantize in Logic or ProTools > other instruments. Now I have the issue that the Guitar and Mandolin > tracks > are a bit drifting. My question is which could be the best way to proceed Although admittedly it means a lot of work, but I have pretty good luck with using 'strip silence' and quantizing (you can set up a quantize based on an existing audio track). You will undoubtedly have to go in and undo/nudge certain notes around (you should definitely work from a copy) but you can get things sounding quite tight this way. Just be prepared to have to do some manual work. best, Nathan ___ Nathan Rosenberg Music Production The Doghouse NYC www.doghouseNYC.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.4/351 - Release Date: 5/29/2006 Yahoo! Groups Links

Sony Oxford Limiter!! On 31 May 2006, at 02:14, ativity2003 wrote: > Hi All, > Any suggestions for what could replace L3/L2 TDM for use in Logic7.2? > > > thanks > > Mark > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Have to chime in on this, agree totally on the Sony stuff, both the Limiter and the Inflator. They're both fantastic, if you have them both you really don't have any "limitations"... Just a tip, be sure to read the manual before attemting to use them. Especially the Inflator, it contains some very special features that really needs to be explained. IMHO far better sounding than anything else I've tried, and definitely better than Waves. Cheers Alar --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "S. Rajter" <low1@...> wrote: > > Sony Oxford Limiter!! > > > On 31 May 2006, at 02:14, ativity2003 wrote: > > > Hi All, > > Any suggestions for what could replace L3/L2 TDM for use in Logic7.2? > > > > > > thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > > TDM > > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > > search > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

To balance the conversation out, I'm not a fan of the sony limiters. I probably need to give them a second chance, but they were too colored for my mastering preferences. I'm not a fan of the L2 any more either because it tends to make things brighter and slightly harsher. Of Course It really depends on what your application is and style and tone etc. I've been more into transparant multiband lately. The LinMB from waves is really useful for that, but even better sounding IMHO is the PSP stuff. I'm a big fan of "try before you buy" Best, Bob On Wednesday, May 31, 2006, at 02:11PM, Alar Suurna <allarts@aar.se> wrote: >Have to chime in on this, >agree totally on the Sony stuff, both the Limiter and the Inflator. They're both >fantastic, if you have them both you really don't have any "limitations"... >Just a tip, be sure to read the manual before attemting to use them. Especially >the Inflator, it contains some very special features that really needs to be explained. >IMHO far better sounding than anything else I've tried, and definitely better than Waves. > >Cheers >Alar

Hey Bob, > To balance the conversation out, I'm not a fan of the sony limiters. I > probably need to give them a second chance, but they were too colored for > my mastering preferences. I think you really need to spend a bit more time with it, cause IMMHO their stuff is absolutely the best. OTOH I need to give PSP a second chance as well, cause I never took it seriously and after a session or two I've given up on them completely... Best, Andy