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Hey Folks, I'm a keen reader of this forum & tho rarely post, I'm greatly appreciative of the wisdom & assistance regularly imparted here, so would like to enter with that thanx in advance. My setup is Mac DP 2.5ghz G5, 2meg ram/os 10.3.8/ HD3A, PT 6.9.1 / LP 7.1.1/ AMT8 Lots of native instruments & plugs+TDM Plugs/ running esb etc as with most in LP7.1.1 This has been happening for a while but has got worse lately with no obvious reason - no recent upgrades etc. ~Logic seemingly randomly loses internal midi connection with one or more native soft synths - not always all together, i.e. Absynth 3 may lose midi, but rmx will be ok in same arrange etc, happens a lot with Chameleon, sometimes absynth, & rmx is prone to losing internal midi on one or more channels ( of the 8 ) but not all 8!! Midi in continues to register in transport window/midi activity. I know this has been around a while for some, Anyone have a clue/fix/workaround for this? - is it sorted in 10.4? I got the PT 7 + LP 7.2 disks but didn't jump yet, waiting for the green light of other users & some free time! It's driving me nuts & trashing my Prod. deadlines. rebooting logic sorts it - for a while! Thanx in advance guys. Best. Gavin.

Hi all, Has anyone looked into or even done Logic or Protools certification? What are peoples views on it? I have basically 6 months where I will be out of the studio game as we will be moving back to the US and I need to give myself something meaningful to do in that time. Regards, James Richmond

fastest fix is to copy the midi object or instrument object in the environment, delete it, and then paste it back. this returns MIDI connection to normal. I wish Apple would figure this one out and fix it!! same problem here with 10.4 and 7.2. judson On Apr 26, 2006, at 6:59 AM, Gav wrote: > Hey Folks, > I'm a keen reader of this forum & tho rarely post, I'm greatly > appreciative of the wisdom > & assistance regularly imparted here, so would like to enter with > that thanx in advance. > My setup is Mac DP 2.5ghz G5, 2meg ram/os 10.3.8/ HD3A, PT > 6.9.1 / LP 7.1.1/ AMT8 > Lots of native instruments & plugs+TDM Plugs/ running esb etc as > with most in LP7.1.1 > > This has been happening for a while but has got worse lately with > no obvious reason - no > recent upgrades etc. > ~Logic seemingly randomly loses internal midi connection with one > or more native soft > synths - not always all together, i.e. Absynth 3 may lose midi, but > rmx will be ok in same > arrange etc, happens a lot with Chameleon, sometimes absynth, & rmx > is prone to losing > internal midi on one or more channels ( of the 8 ) but not all 8!! > Midi in continues to register in transport window/midi activity. > I know this has been around a while for some, Anyone have a clue/ > fix/workaround for > this? - is it sorted in 10.4? I got the PT 7 + LP 7.2 disks but > didn't jump yet, waiting for the > green light of other users & some free time! > It's driving me nuts & trashing my Prod. deadlines. > > rebooting logic sorts it - for a while! > > Thanx in advance guys. > > Best. > > Gavin. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hi, I've only got this problem if I use Logics own Autoload. If I start a new song with my own Autoload (I have made all connections and instances on my own) it never happens. So I would do a completely save made Autoload and it should be gone. I also do not know why and how so... Regards, Axel Am 26.04.2006 um 14:30 schrieb Judson: > fastest fix is to copy the midi object or instrument object in the > environment, delete it, and then paste it back. this returns MIDI > connection to normal. I wish Apple would figure this one out and > fix it!! same problem here with 10.4 and 7.2. > > judson > > > On Apr 26, 2006, at 6:59 AM, Gav wrote: > >> Hey Folks, >> I'm a keen reader of this forum & tho rarely post, I'm greatly >> appreciative of the wisdom >> & assistance regularly imparted here, so would like to enter with >> that thanx in advance. >> My setup is Mac DP 2.5ghz G5, 2meg ram/os 10.3.8/ HD3A, PT >> 6.9.1 / LP 7.1.1/ AMT8 >> Lots of native instruments & plugs+TDM Plugs/ running esb etc as >> with most in LP7.1.1 >> >> This has been happening for a while but has got worse lately with >> no obvious reason - no >> recent upgrades etc. >> ~Logic seemingly randomly loses internal midi connection with one >> or more native soft >> synths - not always all together, i.e. Absynth 3 may lose midi, but >> rmx will be ok in same >> arrange etc, happens a lot with Chameleon, sometimes absynth, & rmx >> is prone to losing >> internal midi on one or more channels ( of the 8 ) but not all 8!! >> Midi in continues to register in transport window/midi activity. >> I know this has been around a while for some, Anyone have a clue/ >> fix/workaround for >> this? - is it sorted in 10.4? I got the PT 7 + LP 7.2 disks but >> didn't jump yet, waiting for the >> green light of other users & some free time! >> It's driving me nuts & trashing my Prod. deadlines. >> >> rebooting logic sorts it - for a while! >> >> Thanx in advance guys. >> >> Best. >> >> Gavin. >> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _ >> __ >> Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- >> TDM >> - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ >> search >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Here's another workaround - it's worked consistently for me on L7.1.1 - PT6.9 - OSX 10.3.8: - create a new track in the environment for the same instrument - drag the regions from the original track to the new one - delete the old track The worst part of this bug is that you have to check everything is working before running a mix. To solve that, on final mixes or even important interim mixes, I print my MIDI tracks to audio to make sure. - Dave On Apr 26, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Judson wrote: > fastest fix is to copy the midi object or instrument object in the > environment, delete it, and then paste it back. this returns MIDI > connection to normal. I wish Apple would figure this one out and > fix it!! same problem here with 10.4 and 7.2. > > judson > > > On Apr 26, 2006, at 6:59 AM, Gav wrote: > >> Hey Folks, >> I'm a keen reader of this forum & tho rarely post, I'm greatly >> appreciative of the wisdom >> & assistance regularly imparted here, so would like to enter with >> that thanx in advance. >> My setup is Mac DP 2.5ghz G5, 2meg ram/os 10.3.8/ HD3A, PT >> 6.9.1 / LP 7.1.1/ AMT8 >> Lots of native instruments & plugs+TDM Plugs/ running esb etc as >> with most in LP7.1.1 >> >> This has been happening for a while but has got worse lately with >> no obvious reason - no >> recent upgrades etc. >> ~Logic seemingly randomly loses internal midi connection with one >> or more native soft >> synths - not always all together, i.e. Absynth 3 may lose midi, but >> rmx will be ok in same >> arrange etc, happens a lot with Chameleon, sometimes absynth, & rmx >> is prone to losing >> internal midi on one or more channels ( of the 8 ) but not all 8!! >> Midi in continues to register in transport window/midi activity. >> I know this has been around a while for some, Anyone have a clue/ >> fix/workaround for >> this? - is it sorted in 10.4? I got the PT 7 + LP 7.2 disks but >> didn't jump yet, waiting for the >> green light of other users & some free time! >> It's driving me nuts & trashing my Prod. deadlines. >> >> rebooting logic sorts it - for a while! >> >> Thanx in advance guys. >> >> Best. >> >> Gavin. >> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _ >> __ >> Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- >> TDM >> - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ >> search >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Thanx Guys, that's great to get these workarounds, If only there weren't so many we have to live with!! Happy tracking. Gavin > Here's another workaround - it's worked consistently for me on L7.1.1 > - PT6.9 - OSX 10.3.8: > > - create a new track in the environment for the same instrument > - drag the regions from the original track to the new one > - delete the old track > > The worst part of this bug is that you have to check everything is > working before running a mix. To solve that, on final mixes or even > important interim mixes, I print my MIDI tracks to audio to make sure. > > - Dave > On Apr 26, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Judson wrote: > > > fastest fix is to copy the midi object or instrument object in the > > environment, delete it, and then paste it back. this returns MIDI > > connection to normal. I wish Apple would figure this one out and > > fix it!! same problem here with 10.4 and 7.2. > > > > judson

Just curious if anyone knows how to eliminate the Waves HTDM plug-in options from the plug-in list when using Logic 7.2. Since you can't use HTDM, it doesn't make sense to have them in the list. I'm using Waveshell 5.0 (dragging my feet regarding paying the WUP toll). Could that be the problem? Lee Blaske

Trash Waves prefs and you´ll be asked upon next Waves´ startup on Logic (or PT boot) where your Waves plug-ins folder is and what kind of Waves plugs you don´t want to use. I´m outta WUP for over two years, too (5.0 here, too)... :-/ Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de ---- Original Message ---- From: "Lee Blaske" <lblaske@pclink.com> To: <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: [L-TDM] Eliminating Waves HTDM plug-ins from list... > Just curious if anyone knows how to eliminate the Waves HTDM plug-in > options from the plug-in list when using Logic 7.2. Since you can't > use HTDM, it doesn't make sense to have them in the list. I'm using > Waveshell 5.0 (dragging my feet regarding paying the WUP toll). Could > that be the problem? > > Lee Blaske

or hold down shift when you boot protools (not logic, or you will kick in the logic xskey app) JR On Apr 26, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Peter Duemmler wrote: > Trash Waves prefs and you´ll be asked upon next Waves´ startup on > Logic (or > PT boot) where your Waves plug-ins folder is and what kind of Waves > plugs > you don´t want to use. > I´m outta WUP for over two years, too (5.0 here, too)... :-/ > > Peter

You can do it in Logic also, but than it's the alternate key I think (try a little bit around...) Regards, Axel Am 27.04.2006 um 00:16 schrieb James Richmond: > or hold down shift when you boot protools (not logic, or you will > kick in the logic xskey app) > > JR > > On Apr 26, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Peter Duemmler wrote: > >> Trash Waves prefs and you´ll be asked upon next Waves´ startup on >> Logic (or >> PT boot) where your Waves plug-ins folder is and what kind of Waves >> plugs >> you don´t want to use. >> I´m outta WUP for over two years, too (5.0 here, too)... :-/ >> >> Peter > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hello guys, i can`t audition many samples. In the forum here, i found a hint about the problem. If you answer while the Instalation of Protools the question with the Bitrate with 16Bit (not 24Bit), there will be a confusion with Auditioning in Logic 7.x I don`t helps to set it to 24 bit in Logic, no no. Where or how can i set the Global Bit Rate of Pro Tools to 24 bit ? Maybee erase some prefs or something of Pro Tools ? That it ask again ...... Help would be fine realy fine. Greetings Walter

Hi Armory, What worked for me was setting the global bit depth to 24 in the DAE audio prefs. Where do you do this ? I can`t see global bit depth ? In Logic ? that dont realy help ... You must do it somewhere else i think. Pro Tools ? So suddenly I'm auditioning every file on my hard drive - including rexfiles. What a relief. Best regards, Amory.

Does anyone have any insight as to the future of plugin delay compensation on the DAE/TDM side of Logic? I definitely think DAE plugins sound better than their CoreAudio counterparts - but it causes real problems when I try to use them in my mixes (especially on critical 'rhythm section' instruments, which is where I really *want* to use them in the first place). So for now, my Digidesign hardware is a big, shiny, and largely unused sidecar for my "native G5" Logic rig - which is a real shame. I hate having to export and convert to ProTools every time I want to use those plugs. Anyone else with me on this? What are the long term prospects for our platform?

On Apr 27, 2006, at 5:11 PM, erockerboy wrote: > So for now, my Digidesign hardware is a big, shiny, and largely unused > sidecar for my "native G5" Logic rig - which is a real shame. I hate > having to export and convert to ProTools every time I want to use > those > plugs. > > Anyone else with me on this? > > What are the long term prospects for our platform? It is annoying, but simply calculate the number of samples the plugins delay the audio and adjust it to suit. JR

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, James Richmond <richmondjames@...> wrote: > It is annoying, but simply calculate the number of samples the > plugins delay the audio and adjust it to suit. If it were just an isolated plugin here and there, that would be one thing. Problem is, we are talking about a typical track load of 30 to 40 signal paths - for instance, in this week's project: live drums, vox/BGV's, horn section, guitars, pedal steel, fiddle, harmonica, etc etc... each with their own plugin chain. Never mind the bussing and aux routings (drums get their own buss comp + EQ; there are individual "stems" for kick, bass, OH's/rest of kit, vox, guitars, horns, keys etc. - all of which are summed and then run thru a "mastering" chain). Complicating all of this even further is the fact that all of my projects will invariably be passed around between several different engineers - which means that, if I take the time to "premix" one of my sessions, my mixdown engineer often has to painstakingly reverse- engineer my region adjustments, or oftentimes will simply start over. Very frustrating for a "pro level" app - and moreso given the fact that the whole reason we switched to Logic was primarily driven by the supposed "superiority" of Logic's PT integration. For now we are working predominantly with CoreAudio tracks, and using the DAE side just to print final masters. Pretty sad.

On Apr 27, 2006, at 7:19 PM, erockerboy wrote: > If it were just an isolated plugin here and there, that would be one > thing. Problem is, we are talking about a typical track load of 30 to > 40 signal paths - for instance, in this week's project: live drums, > vox/BGV's, horn section, guitars, pedal steel, fiddle, harmonica, etc > etc... each with their own plugin chain. Never mind the bussing and > aux routings (drums get their own buss comp + EQ; there are > individual "stems" for kick, bass, OH's/rest of kit, vox, guitars, > horns, keys etc. - all of which are summed and then run thru > a "mastering" chain). > > Complicating all of this even further is the fact that all of my > projects will invariably be passed around between several different > engineers - which means that, if I take the time to "premix" one of my > sessions, my mixdown engineer often has to painstakingly reverse- > engineer my region adjustments, or oftentimes will simply start over. > > Very frustrating for a "pro level" app - and moreso given the fact > that > the whole reason we switched to Logic was primarily driven by the > supposed "superiority" of Logic's PT integration. > > For now we are working predominantly with CoreAudio tracks, and using > the DAE side just to print final masters. Pretty sad. I agree it is a PITA- and it is one of the reasons I mainly use PT software these days for rock projects. JR

I just renewed my WUP. For Platinum, I was surprised that it was only a little over $200 per year. So I paid three years and got it for under $200 per year. I guess that seems cheap to me because last year it was about $700 for just one year! I'll give Lee full credit for them lowering the price! <g> Free would be nice, but at least it's better than it was. This amounts to less than 10% of what I paid for Platinum, so I can't complain. - Mike Greene --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Lee Blaske <lblaske@...> wrote: > > . . . (dragging my feet regarding paying the WUP toll) . . . >

I know it´s not satisfying, but I use the same plug-in on all tracks/ auxes that have to stay sample-accurate to each other (multi-tracked drums etc.), but mostly don´t bother on overdubbed tracks as most plugs have really short latencys these days. If I´m using plugs that have more delay I may shift tracks accordingly... ProTools software rules. I´m not using Logic if I don´t need much Midi anymore. Sad. Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de Am 27.04.2006 um 19:19 schrieb erockerboy: > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, James Richmond <richmondjames@...> > wrote: >> It is annoying, but simply calculate the number of samples the >> plugins delay the audio and adjust it to suit. > > If it were just an isolated plugin here and there, that would be one > thing. Problem is, we are talking about a typical track load of 30 to > 40 signal paths - for instance, in this week's project: live drums, > vox/BGV's, horn section, guitars, pedal steel, fiddle, harmonica, etc > etc... each with their own plugin chain. Never mind the bussing and > aux routings (drums get their own buss comp + EQ; there are > individual "stems" for kick, bass, OH's/rest of kit, vox, guitars, > horns, keys etc. - all of which are summed and then run thru > a "mastering" chain). > > Complicating all of this even further is the fact that all of my > projects will invariably be passed around between several different > engineers - which means that, if I take the time to "premix" one of my > sessions, my mixdown engineer often has to painstakingly reverse- > engineer my region adjustments, or oftentimes will simply start over. > > Very frustrating for a "pro level" app - and moreso given the fact > that > the whole reason we switched to Logic was primarily driven by the > supposed "superiority" of Logic's PT integration. > > For now we are working predominantly with CoreAudio tracks, and using > the DAE side just to print final masters. Pretty sad.

On Apr 27, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Mike Greene wrote: > I just renewed my WUP. For Platinum, I was surprised that it was > only a little over $200 > per year. So I paid three years and got it for under $200 per > year. I guess that seems > cheap to me because last year it was about $700 for just one year! > > I'll give Lee full credit for them lowering the price! <g> Free > would be nice, but at least > it's better than it was. This amounts to less than 10% of what I > paid for Platinum, so I > can't complain. > > - Mike Greene It would make sooooo much more sense to change their charging model though. I agree that WUP is better than it was- but hell, McDSP have never charged me for an update- and I bought their plugins second hand. JR

Another frustrating source of latency in Logic/DAE is the busses and Aux objects. Running through one bus isn't so bad, but I've found that two busses in series have way too much latency to monitor a live instrument. If I bus some tracks for combined processing, I always bus the other tracks to another object to make sure the paths match. I don't know if PT compensates for that, but Logic sure doesn't! - Dave On Apr 27, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Peter Duemmler wrote: > I know it´s not satisfying, but I use the same plug-in on all tracks/ > auxes that have to stay sample-accurate to each other (multi-tracked > drums etc.), but mostly don´t bother on overdubbed tracks as most > plugs have really short latencys these days. > If I´m using plugs that have more delay I may shift tracks > accordingly... > > ProTools software rules. I´m not using Logic if I don´t need much > Midi anymore. Sad. > > Peter > --- > http://www.merlinsound.de > > > Am 27.04.2006 um 19:19 schrieb erockerboy: > >> --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, James Richmond <richmondjames@...> >> wrote: >>> It is annoying, but simply calculate the number of samples the >>> plugins delay the audio and adjust it to suit. >> >> If it were just an isolated plugin here and there, that would be one >> thing. Problem is, we are talking about a typical track load of >> 30 to >> 40 signal paths - for instance, in this week's project: live drums, >> vox/BGV's, horn section, guitars, pedal steel, fiddle, harmonica, etc >> etc... each with their own plugin chain. Never mind the bussing and >> aux routings (drums get their own buss comp + EQ; there are >> individual "stems" for kick, bass, OH's/rest of kit, vox, guitars, >> horns, keys etc. - all of which are summed and then run thru >> a "mastering" chain). >> >> Complicating all of this even further is the fact that all of my >> projects will invariably be passed around between several different >> engineers - which means that, if I take the time to "premix" one >> of my >> sessions, my mixdown engineer often has to painstakingly reverse- >> engineer my region adjustments, or oftentimes will simply start over. >> >> Very frustrating for a "pro level" app - and moreso given the fact >> that >> the whole reason we switched to Logic was primarily driven by the >> supposed "superiority" of Logic's PT integration. >> >> For now we are working predominantly with CoreAudio tracks, and using >> the DAE side just to print final masters. Pretty sad. > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

If you want to wait for Logic to implement delay compensation, you probably have to be prepared to wait a while. We've already waited a couple of years now and how much longer is impossible to say, since Apple, as opposed to Digidesign, never really informs about their intentions on their software. And, as you already said, it's a really big waste of money and quality to use your HD-rig only for final mix printing. If you're not in bad need of Logic's midi-capabilities in the mixing stage, why not export the session to ProTools? The workflow enhancements are significant with the 7.1 update and the overall audio handling and mixing is way better than in Logic. I could write a long list for you, but just a couple of things that made me go for PT when it comes to mix are: Overall stability Delay compensation Import of session data, such as FX-sends/returns, plug-in chains, routing, levels, automation, etc The interaction between the arrange- and mixer windows Fader grouping, region grouping, automation Etc, etc Try it, you'll like it.... Cheers/Alar --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "erockerboy" <erockerboy@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have any insight as to the future of plugin delay > compensation on the DAE/TDM side of Logic? > > I definitely think DAE plugins sound better than their CoreAudio > counterparts - but it causes real problems when I try to use them in my > mixes (especially on critical 'rhythm section' instruments, which is > where I really *want* to use them in the first place). > > So for now, my Digidesign hardware is a big, shiny, and largely unused > sidecar for my "native G5" Logic rig - which is a real shame. I hate > having to export and convert to ProTools every time I want to use those > plugs. > > Anyone else with me on this? > > What are the long term prospects for our platform? >

> Has anyone looked into or even done Logic or Protools certification? > What are peoples views on it? > I have basically 6 months where I will be out of the studio game as > we will be moving back to the US and I need to give myself something > meaningful to do in that time. Hi James: I teach the Logic Certification courses in NYC with my partner Steve Horelick, so I am extremely biased. We both have years of experience both using and teaching Logic and music production, and our students have been pleased. (If you decide to do it, the price is low now - we'll be raising the fees after the June courses.) Regarding the Pro Tools Cert: I haven't done it, but I imagine even an experienced user would learn some new tips and techniques even going thru the course projects alone -- however, the quality of the instructor makes a big difference in the 'extra insight' category. There are many more courses in the Digi certiification game than in the Apple scheme, and thus it can be a lot more expensive. Also, I've been told that Digi requires "re-certification" exam fees - you have to re-take annually to remain certified (if you care about the actual certification). Our web site is: www.macaudiotrainers.com. Jonathan Perl Apple Certified Trainer - Logic Pro Mac Audio Trainers www.macaudiotrainers.com Get the ultimate Logic Training DVD: Inside Logic Pro 7.1, at, www.digitalmediatraining.com/products/logicpro7/

Hi James, From my personal standpoint (and as someone who currently employs several audio professionals), being "certified" on Logic or Protools means less than zero. In the many hires we've made over the years, I can't tell you how many times we had people who were "certified" in this or that, or had degrees up the wazoo from a "recording arts" program (Full Sail, Oberlin, Art Institute, USC, you name it) who ultimately ended up being totally worthless in the studio. My suspicion is that there probably is some modest benefit to the education you might receive via "certification", but in my experience, there are better and cheaper ways to gain the same knowledge base. Maybe take those six months and really work on your craft as a producer, or songwriter, or engineer. Or go surfing. Or go to culinary school (now THERE'S an education w/ some serious long term dividends!). Good luck to you - and feel free to take my advice with a grain of salt (the sun just came out here in Seattle, and everyone is getting a little wacky). Cheers, -Erik --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, James Richmond <richmondjames@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Has anyone looked into or even done Logic or Protools certification? > What are peoples views on it? > I have basically 6 months where I will be out of the studio game as > we will be moving back to the US and I need to give myself something > meaningful to do in that time. > > Regards, > > James Richmond >

Hi Erik, Well the problem is that the studio will be on a boat while I am planning on doing this. We are moving back to the US from Switzerland and I am trying to find something to do that is meaningful and helps my career. At the same time I will be playing 'daddy' to our new English Bulldog pup and wanted to find something that I can do via the web- but that doesn't look likely. I'm going to air-ship a few things- my g5, monitors and a few of the instruments but most of it will take 6-8 weeks to ship over. I've been working in the studio game for years now- I have never worked with anyone who has done the certification myself. For myself I always find another compressor or mic pre or plugin to buy rather than do it but this time I'm seriously considering it, mainly so I can teach Logic/PT to people later. Surfing sounds fun... surf is pretty crap on the hudson though. :-) JR On Apr 28, 2006, at 6:44 PM, erockerboy wrote: > Hi James, > > From my personal standpoint (and as someone who currently employs > several audio professionals), being "certified" on Logic or Protools > means less than zero. In the many hires we've made over the years, I > can't tell you how many times we had people who were "certified" in > this or that, or had degrees up the wazoo from a "recording arts" > program (Full Sail, Oberlin, Art Institute, USC, you name it) who > ultimately ended up being totally worthless in the studio. My > suspicion is that there probably is some modest benefit to the > education you might receive via "certification", but in my experience, > there are better and cheaper ways to gain the same knowledge base. > > Maybe take those six months and really work on your craft as a > producer, or songwriter, or engineer. Or go surfing. Or go to > culinary school (now THERE'S an education w/ some serious long term > dividends!). > > Good luck to you - and feel free to take my advice with a grain of > salt > (the sun just came out here in Seattle, and everyone is getting a > little wacky). > > Cheers, > > -Erik