The most stable version I have used is 10.3.8 with logic 7.1.1 and PT 6.9. PT 6.9 for me was a big improvement in stability from 6.4. However, I have not tried Logic/DAE with Tiger so I can't say if that's even better or not. To answer your other question, A recursive program is a program that activates itself to get an answer for something it's trying to figure out. In this case, when you see the message in Logic "undefined recursion" - that is referring to the act of continuing to reboot logic again and again because you started a song and you have to keep activating Logic after it crashes so you can do the next step in your music so that Logic can crash again with the message "undefined recusrion", causing you to reboot Logic so you can do the next step in your music so that Logic can crash again with the message "undefined recusrion", causing you to reboot Logic so you can..... - Dave On Mar 28, 2006, at 1:22 AM, rory_d_irl wrote: > after a particularly stressful recording session where Logic would > 'unexpectedly' (read - totally predictably) quit on a regular > basis, (several > times in the middle of a take!) i've been browsing this forum for > answers and > there just seems to be so much confusion. > > has anyone the faintest idea what the best versions are to keep > this program > stable?? or any other settings in OSX for that matter? > > personally i have to stick with 10.3.9 and Logic 7.1.1 due to hardware > incompatibilities (canopus) so will upgrading from pro-tools 6.4 > improve the > situation or is it just another shot in the dark?? > > any help appreciated > > p.s. 10 points to anyone who can define what an 'undefined > recursion' is!! > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

This was the case with me for the longest time, but I jumped to 7.1 cs5 ( i think, whatever the latest is), Logic 7.2 and 10.4.5 100% stable for the last month- not a single crash. ESB is still a bit buggy, bit I haven't had a crash or lost data since my last rebuild over a month ago. On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:44 AM, David Gordon wrote: > The most stable version I have used is 10.3.8 with logic 7.1.1 and > PT 6.9. > > PT 6.9 for me was a big improvement in stability from 6.4. > > However, I have not tried Logic/DAE with Tiger so I can't say if > that's even better or not.

Hi - I get crashes when opening songs , opening and working on 3 - 10 songs, one at a time, closing the song before opening the next, will cause crashes, ONLY 1 SONG IS OPEN AT A TIME, NOT SEVERAL SONGS AT THE SAME TIME . - Is that the same with your system ? best regards Lars --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@...> wrote: > > "klogedk" <kloge@...> wrote: > >- I get crashes when opening songs , opening and > >working on 3 - 10 songs will cause crashes, only 1 > >song open at a time . > > That's a DAE issue, not specially a Logic issue. DAE > doesn't allow for more than 1 session to be opened at > the same time.. that' why ProTools doesn't allow it. > > Logic doesn't specifically disallow this when working > with the DAE (perhaps because it works fine often enough); > you take a chance doing this. I save constantly anyway, but > I specifically save when I'm opening up another song while > one is already opened. > > Closing the song first, and then opening up the new song is > the safest way when using DAE. But I usually have it work > OK with my Mix rig. > > > > > > > > f-erenc szabo, smarty pants > Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T > "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" > <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> > > > > > >

Not for me... I only have one song open at a time. Opening consecutive songs does not prove to be any kind of a problem. JR On Mar 28, 2006, at 12:37 PM, klogedk wrote: > Hi > > - I get crashes when opening songs , opening and working on 3 - 10 > songs, > one at a time, closing the song before opening the next, will cause > crashes, > ONLY 1 SONG IS OPEN AT A TIME, NOT SEVERAL SONGS AT THE SAME TIME . > - Is that the same with your system ? > > best regards Lars

With the exception of maybe one person in this group, it is strongly advised that if you are using protools 6.4 (with mix hardware I assume) that you revert to os 10.3.4 and quicktime 6.5 (there is a QT 7 to 6.5 dowmgrade on the apple support site). 10.3.4 is the last os approved by digi for pt 6.4 nut you may want to try the quicktime revision/downgrade first to see if that might be the key before doing the dreaded clean install. You know, I assume you are recording, in this session, a great deal of audio. Why not just use protools in this situation and then import the tracks/files? Its more like the correct tool for this task. It will have stability problems as well at 10.3.9/QT 7.

cool - thanks for the note. I might give it a try when I am not on a deadline. What do you do about Spotlight indexing? Do you disable that for any of your drives, or is it not a problem? I love Spotlight on my biz powerbook, but I wonder how it affects audio performance.... ?? - Dave On Mar 28, 2006, at 2:03 AM, James Richmond wrote: > This was the case with me for the longest time, but I jumped to 7.1 > cs5 ( i think, whatever the latest is), Logic 7.2 and 10.4.5 > > 100% stable for the last month- not a single crash. > ESB is still a bit buggy, bit I haven't had a crash or lost data > since my last rebuild over a month ago. > > On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:44 AM, David Gordon wrote: > >> The most stable version I have used is 10.3.8 with logic 7.1.1 and >> PT 6.9. >> >> PT 6.9 for me was a big improvement in stability from 6.4. >> >> However, I have not tried Logic/DAE with Tiger so I can't say if >> that's even better or not. > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

I used to disable it- but forgot to this last rebuild. Works fine with it still enabled. JR On Mar 29, 2006, at 12:04 AM, David Gordon wrote: > cool - thanks for the note. I might give it a try when I am not on a > deadline. > > What do you do about Spotlight indexing? Do you disable that for any > of your drives, or is it not a problem? > > I love Spotlight on my biz powerbook, but I wonder how it affects > audio performance.... ??

That's good to know, much appreciated. - Dave On Mar 28, 2006, at 2:15 PM, James Richmond wrote: > I used to disable it- but forgot to this last rebuild. > Works fine with it still enabled. > > JR > > On Mar 29, 2006, at 12:04 AM, David Gordon wrote: > >> cool - thanks for the note. I might give it a try when I am not on a >> deadline. >> >> What do you do about Spotlight indexing? Do you disable that for any >> of your drives, or is it not a problem? >> >> I love Spotlight on my biz powerbook, but I wonder how it affects >> audio performance.... ?? > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, James Richmond <richmondjames@...> wrote: >I jumped to 7.1 cs5 ( i think, whatever the latest is), Logic 7.2 and 10.4.5 > > 100% stable for the last month- not a single crash. Hi James - can you confirm that ProTools 7.1cs5 is 100% compatible with Logic 7.2? Am planning an upgrade myself and want to make sure all systems are 'go' with that combo. I'm encouraged to hear your system is working well for you! Thanks for the info, -Erik

what person? - and why? On Mar 28, 2006, at 20:53, Matt McKenna wrote: > With the exception of maybe one person in this group, it is strongly advised > that if you are using protools 6.4 (with mix hardware I assume) that you > revert to os 10.3.4 and quicktime 6.5 (there is a QT 7 to 6.5 > dowmgrade on the apple support site). 10.3.4 is the last os approved by digi for > pt 6.4 nut you may want to try the quicktime revision/downgrade first to see > if that might be the key before doing the dreaded clean install. You > know, I assume you are recording, in this session, a great deal of audio. Why > not just use protools in this situation and then import the tracks/files? > Its more like the correct tool for this task. It will have stability > problems as well at 10.3.9/QT 7. Raphael Vang Posaunist www.raphael-vang.de 0221 / 492 7894 0175 / 890 5821

It has been working for me- as always YMMV. JR On Mar 29, 2006, at 2:58 AM, erockerboy wrote: > Hi James - can you confirm that ProTools 7.1cs5 is 100% compatible > with > Logic 7.2? Am planning an upgrade myself and want to make sure all > systems are 'go' with that combo. I'm encouraged to hear your system > is working well for you! > > Thanks for the info, > > -Erik

Well member who asserts that they are using 10.3.9 with pt 6.4/mix is less important than the the why which is that digidesign has only approved mix hardware and protools 6.4 for 10.3.4 and no later. There may or may not be depending on your application (running quicktime video for example) confilcts that reveal themselves. From my personal experience logic and protools ran on 10.3.9 but were VERY instable, and there were sync conflict messages in logic and consistent unprovoked crashes in protools. If you are a sequencer user who stepped up to pt/logic this may be forgivable but as a long time os 9 protools user, any crash is virtually unheard of and not to be tolerated. There is not a lot of difference between 10.3.4 and 10.3.9 as operating systems go although the latter may entail qt7 which is definitely incompatible with protools 6.4 and its accompaning dae revision. The majority of the troubles I experienced were only when video was in the session and revision to 10.3.4 and QT 6.5 cured that. The challenge with using mix hardware is finding the appropriate update for all of your plug ins and virtual instruments that are friendly with your OS. After you have done that and your system is stable, let sleeping dogs lie.

Okay so here is my problem! I am running two beats on top of each other, one out of the exs24 tdm and one from kontakt 2(Dtdm). The kontakt 2 beat is being bussed through the Oxford Dynamics Processor running from the powercore pci... Basically As soon as I open it, (it being the only thing running from the powercore) it gives me midi timing problems between the Dae and Dtdm as soon as i get rid of the problems stop. Does anyone know of a cure for this problem? or am i putting the plugs on ebay! Thanks a lot Piers Set up; Dual 2.0 ghz g5(Pci)4 gb Ram HD 2 core system Logic 7.2 Digidesign 96 I/O Pro Tools 7.1

Dear Steve, I am writing to you regarding Apple's archaeic and inadequate support for it's "professional" music application Logic Pro. I am one of New Zealand's longest established composers and producers of music, www.soundtraxnz.com and my work is broadcast on television, radio and movies worldwide. My history with Apple began with an Apple IIe, progressed thru a mac 256 and I currently own 9 Apple Macs spread thru my home, office and 3 busy recording studios. I have now owned over 50 Apple macs. My history with Logic began with the original "Notator" on an Atari 1024 and I was the first retail purchaser of the Emagic Logic application in New Zealand. I currently own 3 Logic "dongles". Steve I have, along with many other Logic users in New Zealand, been in a state of limbo awaiting Logic Pro 7.2 in fact I have a Macbook Pro sitting around unused as it requires 7.2 to run the app. For the last month I have been waiting for my crossgrade and Apple's distributor here has been feeding me links to sites thru which I can buy the, very reasonably priced upgrade. These links have all proven to be non-existent. Meantime boxed upgrades have "just been fedexed" to the New Zealand Distributor, but sadly none have ever arrived. Today I noticed a thread on the logic-users site that states that to get the upgrade I have to go to a link http://www.apple.com/au/ logicpro/crossgrade.html to download a "special New Zealand crossgrade" pdf which I then need to fill in and POST to an address in Australia with a postal order or cheque. I received no notice of this from Apple and/or it's representatives of this form even tho I ordered the crossgrade a month ago. The "special New Zealand form" is obviously done in a panic. The "country" section hasn't enough space for the words "New Zealand", the credit card name section hasnt enough space for a normal business card name, there is a "State" section (New Zealand has no "States") and, if a cheque is used, the it needs to be made out to a company that is not Apple. It seems to me that somehow there is a department in Cupercino that is still not au fait with the power of the internet of even of the existence of Fax machines. My clients include Disney and many multinational film and advertising companies and appears to me that Apple is seriously trying to compete in the professional arena in film, music and audio but this kind of support is laughable. If I were to ring my Digidesign Protools support person right now with a problem I could confidently put the kettle on for him, he would be here so quickly. Imagine if I happened to be working on "King Kong" or a similar production produced entirely in this country. Would thee head of Universal Pictures perhaps pop down to the mail box for me to mail my Logic PRO professional support request. Steve this kind of service is so UN APPLE and it needs immediate attention. Yours Faithfully, James Hall James Hall Musician Composer www.soundtraxnz.com 

What do you mean by midi timing problem? Is it rushing and dragging or is the TDM beat ahead (or behind) consistently? Are you using delay compensation? Do you know that there is no TDM delay compensation for Logic ATM? James On Mar 29, 2006, at 6:36 PM, forums@logic-users.org wrote: > Okay so here is my problem! > > > I am running two beats on top of each other, one out of the exs24 > tdm and > one from kontakt 2(Dtdm). The kontakt 2 beat is being bussed > through the > Oxford Dynamics Processor running from the powercore pci... > > Basically As soon as I open it, (it being the only thing running > from the > powercore) it gives me midi timing problems between the Dae and > Dtdm as soon > as i get rid of the problems stop. > > Does anyone know of a cure for this problem? or am i putting the > plugs on > ebay! > > > Thanks a lot

This is a native vs tdm problem and a kontact one as well. In experimentation with ni dfh2 (kompakt) the best timing I could get was 5-10 ms behind the beat. Plug ins will exacerbate the problem slightly and layering percussion is the biggest challenge in this type of production. In my experience the esx as coreaudio or dtm is tighter than the NI stuff, and for the NI stuff you can try using the track/midi offset by -192 or -96th note to push the information ahead of the timeline. If you have gobs of ram you can also disable the DFD in the NI kontact plug in and load samples directly to ram. Also try selecting a slightly larger voice and preload buffer size in kontactand set reserver voices to 248. It is still a work around though.

Another thing. If the probalem is not resolvable in real time, burn to a track and line the parts up. --

hi matt and others ok, feeling feeling like the stupid kid in the class at this point. firstly, thanks for replying; i should have stated that i am running HD2 hardware on dual 2.5 G5, 2 gig ram, logic7.1.1, PT TDM6.4 you are of course absolutely right that as along time user being caught with this combination is probably absolutely unforgiveable and i consider my wrist well and truly slapped! (i could go into the excuses about 3 kids under 5, time pressures etc. but you get the picture.) when you say i should get a stable combination and let sleeping dogs lie, thats exactly what i am aiming for and i do appreciate all the help. one of the other users has recommended PT6.9 for use with Logic 7.1.1 and OS10.3.8 so just a couple more questions. do i really need to go back to 10.3.8 or will moving up to PT6.9 give me my much missed stability/sanity (and also QT7.0 compatibility)? i'm presuming here that going to 10.3.8 means a clean install... rory --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Matt McKenna <skylabfilmpop@...> wrote: > > Well member who asserts that they are using 10.3.9 with pt 6.4/mix is less > important than the the why which is that digidesign has only approved mix > hardware and protools 6.4 for 10.3.4 and no later. There may or may not be > depending on your application (running quicktime video for example) > confilcts that reveal themselves. From my personal experience logic and > protools ran on 10.3.9 but were VERY instable, and there were sync conflict > messages in logic and consistent unprovoked crashes in protools. If you are > a sequencer user who stepped up to pt/logic this may be forgivable but as a > long time os 9 protools user, any crash is virtually unheard of and not to > be tolerated. There is not a lot of difference between 10.3.4 and 10.3.9 as > operating systems go although the latter may entail qt7 which is definitely > incompatible with protools 6.4 and its accompaning dae revision. The > majority of the troubles I experienced were only when video was in the > session and revision to 10.3.4 and QT 6.5 cured that. The challenge with > using mix hardware is finding the appropriate update for all of your plug > ins and virtual instruments that are friendly with your OS. After you have > done that and your system is stable, let sleeping dogs lie. >

All of us need to if we don't have already have a familiarity with caRbon copy cloner. Using it you can clone your boot drive to a backup before reinstalling. I would venture that changint the protools version and cs update are the first steps. Lots of users here on tiger perhaps they can chime in on what works for them. The 6.4/os 10.3.4 issue is MIX specific and does not not pertain to hd although the quicktime issue may. I'd say at 5 years old your kids are probably pretty computer savvy, why don't you delegate them to search the digidesign compatibility documents for you?;)

thanks again for your input matt. i do indeed use CCC on a weekly basis to guard against the dreaded Extinction Level Event. it's just the hassle of reinstalling everything that i'm trying to avoid. i'll try the PT 6.9 option and see how it goes for a week. as for the kids, they're all XP pro-Toolers; wont touch my 'crazy bitch of a mistress' logic with a barge pole. keep telling me i'm gona give myself an undefined recursion if i persist.... --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Matt McKenna <skylabfilmpop@...> wrote: > > All of us need to if we don't have already have a familiarity with caRbon > copy cloner. Using it you can clone your boot drive to a backup before > reinstalling. I would venture that changint the protools version and cs > update are the first steps. Lots of users here on tiger perhaps they can > chime in on what works for them. The 6.4/os 10.3.4 issue is MIX specific > and does not not pertain to hd although the quicktime issue may. I'd say at > 5 years old your kids are probably pretty computer savvy, why don't you > delegate them to search the digidesign compatibility documents for you?;) >

My canapus box still works with 10.4.5 and PT 7.1cs5 b On Mar 28, 2006, at 1:22 AM, rory_d_irl wrote: > after a particularly stressful recording session where Logic would > 'unexpectedly' (read - totally predictably) quit on a regular > basis, (several > times in the middle of a take!) i've been browsing this forum for > answers and > there just seems to be so much confusion. > > has anyone the faintest idea what the best versions are to keep > this program > stable?? or any other settings in OSX for that matter? > > personally i have to stick with 10.3.9 and Logic 7.1.1 due to hardware > incompatibilities (canopus) so will upgrading from pro-tools 6.4 > improve the > situation or is it just another shot in the dark?? > > any help appreciated > > p.s. 10 points to anyone who can define what an 'undefined > recursion' is!! > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Hi Everyone, Recently I have come to the realization that I no longer can justify the need for a TDM system. The last few years I have been using my system just to compose and even that has been on a part time basis, so I have begun to "downgrade" to a native Logic set up. I have already sold my HD cards and 192 i/o and ordered a MacBook, now starting to think about my plug ins. I have contacted WAVES and it seems that there is no reasonable crossgrade to Native, my best option is to sell my TDM bundle and then buy a native bundle. I am offering the current WAVES platinum TDM bundle for $2500 US. The buyer will have to pay $150 US to register with Waves as well as provide their own ilok. The buyer will have all of the same plug ins and update rights that you would by purchasing from a dealer. In checking around at some of the retailers, the going price for the Platinum bundle is $3150 so this deal represents a $500 savings. I would also like to thank everyone on the list for sharing all of your knowledge and know how over the years. You guys have really helped me to navigate the often complicated path that Logic TDM users must walk. Please contact me privately at chriscrof@yahoo.com if you are interested in the WAVES Platinum bundle. Best Regards, Chris Crofford

Chris, Just so you know- you can keep using your TDM bundle with your native rig. One of the benefits of TDM is you get native for free. WUP will still cost you a bomb though. James Richmond On Mar 30, 2006, at 8:12 PM, C Crofford wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Recently I have come to the realization that I no longer can > justify the > need for a TDM system. The last few years I have been using my > system just > to compose and even that has been on a part time basis, so I have > begun to > "downgrade" to a native Logic set up. I have already sold my HD > cards and > 192 i/o and ordered a MacBook, now starting to think about my plug > ins. > > I have contacted WAVES and it seems that there is no reasonable > crossgrade > to Native, my best option is to sell my TDM bundle and then buy a > native > bundle. I am offering the current WAVES platinum TDM bundle for > $2500 US. > The buyer will have to pay $150 US to register with Waves as well > as provide > their own ilok. The buyer will have all of the same plug ins and > update > rights that you would by purchasing from a dealer. In checking > around at > some of the retailers, the going price for the Platinum bundle is > $3150 so > this deal represents a $500 savings. > > I would also like to thank everyone on the list for sharing all of > your > knowledge and know how over the years. You guys have really helped > me to > navigate the often complicated path that Logic TDM users must walk. > > Please contact me privately at chriscrof@yahoo.com if you are > interested in > the WAVES Platinum bundle. > > Best Regards, > > Chris Crofford

Matt I used Carbon Copy Cloner for a couple years, then I discovered it was skipping some files. I could not find any pattern in which files were getting missed. So I got spooked about the integrity of my clone disks and bought Retrospect for $150. It does exact duplicates that can be used as start-up disks and can give you a report in advance of what files will be copied each time. Maybe CCC is fine on most systems. For me the cost of Retrospect was worthy insurance of having a supported product take care of my data. Also, as a bonus it does incremental backups to any media including hard drives. - Dave On Mar 30, 2006, at 3:41 AM, Matt McKenna wrote: > All of us need to if we don't have already have a familiarity with > caRbon > copy cloner. Using it you can clone your boot drive to a backup > before > reinstalling. I would venture that changint the protools version > and cs > update are the first steps. Lots of users here on tiger perhaps > they can > chime in on what works for them. The 6.4/os 10.3.4 issue is MIX > specific > and does not not pertain to hd although the quicktime issue may. > I'd say at > 5 years old your kids are probably pretty computer savvy, why don't > you > delegate them to search the digidesign compatibility documents for > you?;) > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Who did you speak with at Waves? They told me a year ago that if you own the TDM bundle, they will give you the Native authorization at no charge as long as it's on the same computer. Maybe you should check with them again... Good luck - Dave On Mar 30, 2006, at 10:12 AM, C Crofford wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Recently I have come to the realization that I no longer can > justify the > need for a TDM system. The last few years I have been using my > system just > to compose and even that has been on a part time basis, so I have > begun to > "downgrade" to a native Logic set up. I have already sold my HD > cards and > 192 i/o and ordered a MacBook, now starting to think about my plug > ins. > > I have contacted WAVES and it seems that there is no reasonable > crossgrade > to Native, my best option is to sell my TDM bundle and then buy a > native > bundle. I am offering the current WAVES platinum TDM bundle for > $2500 US. > The buyer will have to pay $150 US to register with Waves as well > as provide > their own ilok. The buyer will have all of the same plug ins and > update > rights that you would by purchasing from a dealer. In checking > around at > some of the retailers, the going price for the Platinum bundle is > $3150 so > this deal represents a $500 savings. > > I would also like to thank everyone on the list for sharing all of > your > knowledge and know how over the years. You guys have really helped > me to > navigate the often complicated path that Logic TDM users must walk. > > Please contact me privately at chriscrof@yahoo.com if you are > interested in > the WAVES Platinum bundle. > > Best Regards, > > Chris Crofford > >