Ohhh- does it still work? I had a Quadra 650 many moons ago... On Tuesday, December 27, 2005, at 01:26 PM, Nick Batzdorf wrote: > Then my Quadra 650 NuBus system is still current! > > Thanks Eddie. :)

This effect can be circumvented by wearing a pyramid made of tin foil on your head while you are using the older system. There is anecdotal evidence that even on new systems this apparatus improves performance while protecting you from harmful quantum fluctuations from other dimensions... Eddie IMS On Tuesday, December 27, 2005, at 01:42 PM, f-erenc szabo wrote: > Yes it does. If your Mac is on the Internet, Apple sends out a spike > that will automatically make your hardware not work. And even > if it isn't on the Internet, the spike will be sent via radio waves, > so only those folks in Faraday cages will be spared... until they > open the door even just a crack.

any advice on this situation. Im a logic pro and pro tools user. I've been working on a project at home using a motu 828 soundcard using core audio drivers. I was planning on mixing in a studio that has a pt hd system, they dont usually use logic so i have to configure it myself. My logic session runs at an average of about 70 tracks(all mono) per song im using alot of routing to busses and aux'es, im not using to many plugins so it does really matter if i lose the ones im using. As i've never done this before i was looking for some advice as to whether it would be easier to just bounce/consolidate everything and mix in pt's or is it quite easy to transfer a session to run on hd system. Im not a novice so can deal with a certain amount of technical setup.

Am 28.12.2005 16:45 Uhr schrieb "gleeson_alan" unter <alang@greglab.com>: > any advice on this situation. Im a logic pro and pro tools user. I've been > working on a project > at home using a motu 828 soundcard using core audio drivers. I was planning on > mixing in a > studio that has a pt hd system, they dont usually use logic so i have to > configure it myself. > My logic session runs at an average of about 70 tracks(all mono) per song im > using alot of > routing to busses and aux'es, im not using to many plugins so it does really > matter if i lose > the ones im using. As i've never done this before i was looking for some > advice as to whether > it would be easier to just bounce/consolidate everything and mix in pt's or is > it quite easy to > transfer a session to run on hd system. Im not a novice so can deal with a > certain amount of > technical setup. Hi Alan, In my opinion it's the better way to bounce everything and mix with Pro Tools or Logic in the other studio. To open a native Logic song in a TDM-setup is possible but you loose all plug-ins as you change the audio engine for every channel. And: The mix engineer has to deal with your routing. I like it more if people come with everything as audio files. So I can route everything my way... Compatibility between native and TDM-songs is really small in Logic. Best regards Mark -- Mark Ziebarth Mühlenkamp 12 d 22303 Hamburg Telefon: ++494027800926 (Studio) ++491733135456 (mobil) ++494065055216 (Fax)

Thanks for the reply Mark. Im still thinking about trying to do it logic. My only main concern is the routing. I don't mind losing any plugins that I've already been using as most are waves so I'll just save there settings. Im procrastinating over bouncing as I've already done a lot of premlininary balancing and panning(70 tracks on average), so im hoping to keep the session like this so when I go to the studio to mix (im the engineer) I can start eqing straight away. Here's my ideal situation. Open logic session using pt hd system(losing assigned plugins), convert mixer to dae/dtdm and keep all routing (busses and aux) with minimal rerouting, start inserting tdm plugins and mix! What do think my chances are? Otherwise I'll have to bounce about 15 songs with 70 tracks in each. The other thing I was thinking of trying was using the motu soundcard alongside the tdm system and use coreaudio with the motu and dae/dtdm or some variation of. I've read about people using multiple soundcards with logic pro, and the logic tdm manual would lead u to think that au and tdm plugins can be used in the same session, just not on the same track. If anyone thinks im crazy or wasting my time trying this please let me know.

I just recently upgraded to the Soundtoys TDM bundle (it's a good deal if you have some of the plugins, or the Ultratool bundle). But today, in trying to use the Echoboys plugin in Logic/TDM, I am getting an error (-7054) and can't get the plugin to instantiate. I get window errors popping up too, saying the presets file cannot be found, but it is in the correct folder (mac/library/application support/digidesign/plugin settings). Anyone else have a problem with this? I have a call into Soundtoys but haven't heard back. -mark
Mark Henderson  mark@dirtydogproductions.net 952.210.4801

Had the same happening here. After using it successfully in ProTools it started working in Logic, too. Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de Mark Henderson wrote: > I just recently upgraded to the Soundtoys TDM bundle (it's a good > deal if you have some of the plugins, or the Ultratool bundle). But > today, in trying to use the Echoboys plugin in Logic/TDM, I am > getting an error (-7054) and can't get the plugin to instantiate. I > get window errors popping up too, saying the presets file cannot be > found, but it is in the correct folder (mac/library/application > support/digidesign/plugin settings). > > Anyone else have a problem with this? I have a call into Soundtoys > but haven't heard back.

Now that i've rid my logic enviroment of all forms of ESB and am exclusively coreaudio and DAE based, it seems I could upgrade to pt7 without any logic compromises? Can anyone who has possibly done this chime in and give me the nod that it's cool to do. Thanks in advance! steve

"andalekids" <andalekids@yahoo.com> wrote: >I could upgrade to pt7 without any logic compromises? Logic is not currently compatible with ProTools7. Apple has announced that a future version of Logic will be. No other information is available. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

I had used it a little in PT, before trying this. The only other thing I can think of is that I am using it on a project (all self contained) and perhaps that has something to do with where it wants to see and/or save the settings. -mark Still no happiness. On Dec 29, 2005, at 3:32 PM, logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:00:38 +0100 > From: "Peter Duemmler" <merlin@merlinsound.de> > > Had the same happening here. > After using it successfully in ProTools it started working in > Logic, too. > > Peter > --- > http://www.merlinsound.de > > Mark Henderson wrote: >> I just recently upgraded to the Soundtoys TDM bundle (it's a good >> deal if you have some of the plugins, or the Ultratool bundle). But >> today, in trying to use the Echoboys plugin in Logic/TDM, I am >> getting an error (-7054) and can't get the plugin to instantiate. I >> get window errors popping up too, saying the presets file cannot be >> found, but it is in the correct folder (mac/library/application >> support/digidesign/plugin settings).
Mark Henderson  mark@dirtydogproductions.net 952.210.4801

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "kraakan" <kraakan@y...> wrote: > > The automation has a lot of bugs. > Many times I've experienced automation "drop-outs". > It will ignore some automations changes from tim to time. > This is not a "new" thing happens. I recognized this since Logic 5. > It's time for Apple to fix this BIG BUG and a lot of other things as well. > > - Kraakan > Its true, whenever I start using automation extenisvelly it starts crashing like mad. I had huge trouble automating surround mixes as well, Even simple pan/volume/send curves will drive it nuts. Does anyone have any more suggetions for what to do to tweak machine to work- I'm xrashing every 5 minutes or so on this dual 2.5 g5. Thanks for any direction in superfinetuning the mac for Logic 7.1.1 with HD3 hardware. Is it just us or is everyone crashing when pan+volume+ sends+ some plug parameters are automated on multiple channels?

Hi Alan, ...and other native (ASIO, Coreaudio, MacAV, Audiowerk / TDM) converters;-) I wrote a note recently for converting an ASIO Setup with interleaved Files (you propably have some of them in your sessions?) to DTDM (only 8 Outs/Busses possible though, BUT bus-object will retain their settings, although you will have to reroute exceeding outputs to 1-8) You might want to proceed from the DTDM setup, switching dedicated tracks to DAE/HTDM for different processing and discrete outputs; you will lose channel settings/special plugins when switching audio-drivers, but I think, it is a worthwile solution, to have "premixed" songs transferred as complete as possible to the logic-"Pro"Tools HTDM/ESB-DTDM setup of "professional" studios for the final mix-stage. What a drag it still is...! I only have experiences with DAE/Mix++whatever-systems, but it should work the same way with DTDM useing ESB on HD-systems. (is this actually functional? OSX and HD users please chime in...) I will have to translate my german routine to english to make it accessible for you in possibly a few days (or is this URGEN?T)... Is there any interest for this transcript on this list, so I could offer it for download as a .pdf file or shall I just send it to Alan? Happy New Year and a big "thank you" to all participants and "backstage"-people working behind the scenes of this list for another Great Year on [L-TDM]ogic, Niko Nikolaus Sieveking nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen <niko@nichtlinear.de> <www.nichtlinear.de> > My > only main concern is the routing. I don't mind losing any plugins that I've > already been using as most are waves so I'll just save there settings. Im > procrastinating over bouncing as I've already done a lot of premlininary > balancing and panning(70 tracks on average), so im hoping to keep the > session like this so when I go to the studio to mix (im the engineer) I can > start eqing straight away. Here's my ideal situation. Open logic session > using pt hd system(losing assigned plugins), convert mixer to dae/dtdm and > keep all routing (busses and aux) with minimal rerouting, start inserting > tdm plugins and mix! What do think my chances are? Otherwise I'll have to > bounce about 15 songs with 70 tracks in each. The other thing I was thinking > of trying was using the motu soundcard alongside the tdm system and use > coreaudio with the motu and dae/dtdm or some variation of. I've read about > people using multiple soundcards with logic pro, and the logic tdm manual > would lead u to think that au and tdm plugins can be used in the same > session, just not on the same track. If anyone thinks im crazy or wasting my > time trying this please let me know. You are NOT wasting your time, but facing a not too difficult task... >

>I had used it a little in PT, before trying this. The only other >thing I can think of is that I am using it on a project (all self >contained) and perhaps that has something to do with where it wants >to see and/or save the settings. > >-mark Mark, If you look at other instances of -7054 errors in the Digi Answerbase, it seems that the usual causes are the wrong version of the plug-in, a time bombed version of the plug-in, or an expired plug-in. Maybe the thing to do is to trash the version you currently have, and download a fresh copy. Out of curiosity, what version are you running? I just checked, and I'm running EchoBoy 1.1.2. It's working flawlessly with Logic for me. I notice that the current version on the SoundToys site is 1.2. Is that what you're using? Lee

I do have version 1.2. I went back and tried what Phil (I think) said, and reinstantiated all the plugins in Pro Tools and now they are working correctly in Logic, so, who knows.... Another one though, Pitch and Time (audiosuite) is crashing Logic regularly. I check out version numbers. -mark On Dec 30, 2005, at 1:19 PM, logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com wrote: >> I had used it a little in PT, before trying this. The only other >> thing I can think of is that I am using it on a project (all self >> contained) and perhaps that has something to do with where it wants >> to see and/or save the settings. >> >> -mark > > Mark, > > If you look at other instances of -7054 errors in the Digi > Answerbase, it seems that the usual causes are the wrong version of > the plug-in, a time bombed version of the plug-in, or an expired > plug-in. Maybe the thing to do is to trash the version you currently > have, and download a fresh copy. Out of curiosity, what version are > you running? I just checked, and I'm running EchoBoy 1.1.2. It's > working flawlessly with Logic for me. I notice that the current > version on the SoundToys site is 1.2. Is that what you're using? > > Lee
Mark Henderson  mark@dirtydogproductions.net 952.210.4801

I never use protools software. Therefore I wonder. Does "all" the RTAS plugins in digi folder take up memory, and/or does it make the system (logic/tdm) more unstable? Is it recomended to remove all RTAS plugs in general? I assume this could result in better loading time as well? Anyone? Thanks. Henning.

Hi Niko. Please post a link to the PDF-file. It would be nice. Thanks Kraakan

I've talked a lot with Apple support regarding the problem with the crashes and automations. The last reply from them was that it may has to do with the connection between Logic and DAE. The support guy has sent my mail, crash logs, logic songs, etc. to the developer department. I really hope they gonna fix this. I still have BIG problems. In ProTools everything works great. Not a single crash at all. Several guys at this forum says that you have "stable systems". Do you use a lot of automations? Please post your setup (Computer, RAM, OSX version, DAE and Logic versions etc). - Kraakan --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "walcroface" <puma808@h...> wrote: > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "kraakan" <kraakan@y...> wrote: > > > > The automation has a lot of bugs. > > Many times I've experienced automation "drop-outs". > > It will ignore some automations changes from tim to time. > > This is not a "new" thing happens. I recognized this since Logic 5. > > It's time for Apple to fix this BIG BUG and a lot of other things > as well. > > > > - Kraakan > > > Its true, whenever I start using automation extenisvelly it starts > crashing like mad. > I had huge trouble automating surround mixes as well, Even simple > pan/volume/send curves will drive it nuts. > > Does anyone have any more suggetions for what to do to tweak machine > to work- I'm xrashing every 5 minutes or so on this dual 2.5 g5. > > Thanks for any direction in superfinetuning the mac for Logic 7.1.1 > with HD3 hardware. Is it just us or is everyone crashing when > pan+volume+ sends+ some plug parameters are automated on multiple > channels? >

From: Henning Kristiansen <pro.studio@chello.no> > I never use protools software. Therefore I wonder. Does "all" the RTAS > plugins in digi folder take up memory, and/or does it make the system > (logic/tdm) more unstable? > > Is it recomended to remove all RTAS plugs in general? > > I assume this could result in better loading time as well? > > Anyone? Logic ignores the RTAS plug-ins. They should have no impact on Logic at all. I forget where AudioSuite (AS as opposed to RTAS) plug-ins are, but be sure you don't delete them if you're tempted just to delete the folder. They're very handy. Best, NB Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

In my experience, Pro Tools is not always stable even on its own. Just last week I was editing automation in a simple session in Pro Tools without starting Logic that day at all, and Pro Tools crashed when I clicked on a breakpoint. That's not a common occurrence, but it can happen. I've never experienced Logic automation drop-outs, though I've read about them and I've experienced plenty of other Logic bugs. Generally, logic seems to have improved a lot lately in stability and function. You can tell that's true just by the traffic on this list. There used to be piles of messages from upset Logic/TDM users who could not work their systems due to constant crashes and freezes and other serious issues. We don't see nearly as many of those since the last few rounds of updates. I'm not saying everything's all warm and fuzzy with Logic - it still crashes a lot and does other annoying things regularly! But re- launching usually works OK and PT's not perfect either. - Dave (PT 6.9, HD2, dual 1G/1.5G ram, logic 7.1.1, osx 10.3.8) On Jan 1, 2006, at 1:05 PM, kraakan wrote: > I've talked a lot with Apple support regarding the problem with the > crashes and > automations. The last reply from them was that it may has to do > with the connection > between Logic and DAE. The support guy has sent my mail, crash > logs, logic songs, etc. to > the developer department. > > I really hope they gonna fix this. I still have BIG problems. > In ProTools everything works great. Not a single crash at all. > > Several guys at this forum says that you have "stable systems". Do > you use a lot of > automations? > > Please post your setup (Computer, RAM, OSX version, DAE and Logic > versions etc). > > > - Kraakan > > > > > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "walcroface" <puma808@h...> wrote: >> >> --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "kraakan" <kraakan@y...> wrote: >>> >>> The automation has a lot of bugs. >>> Many times I've experienced automation "drop-outs". >>> It will ignore some automations changes from tim to time. >>> This is not a "new" thing happens. I recognized this since Logic 5. >>> It's time for Apple to fix this BIG BUG and a lot of other things >> as well. >>> >>> - Kraakan >

//Kraakan: It will ignore some automations changes from tim to time. This is not a "new" thing happens. I recognized this since Logic 5.// Tjena Kråkan, are you sure your Autoload document is OK? Rebuilding it from the ground up is a bit tedious but if it is the cause of your troubles could save you a lot of headache. Maybe it got corrupted back in Logic 5? Certain settings in Preferences could do a bit to help you out too. F.i. buffer size seems to benefit from being set to large. Are you using Reason/Rewire? Is the buffer size for it set right? Setting the amount of dsp/channels etc right so there is enough room for channels yet using plugins too is a good one. Making sure that you have exactly the same hardware settings in PT and Logic seems to be of great importance. What operating system are you currently on? A friend/ colleague of mine had loads of problems after upgrading to Tiger. A good old- fashioned reinstallation did the trick for him. Happy New Year all of you! /E 2x1.8, 4Gb RAM, OSX 10.4.2,HD Accel 3, PT 6.9.3cs2, L7.1.1 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB erik@futurelove.se

Henning Kristiansen <pro.studio@chello.no> wrote: >I never use protools software. Therefore I wonder. Does "all" the RTAS >plugins in digi folder take up memory, and/or does it make the system >(logic/tdm) more unstable? The existence of RTAS plugins are irrelevant if you are using Logic. The only difference it will make if you trash them is that it will free up a tiny amount of hard drive space after you empty the trash. However, I wonder if RTAS plugins will eventually replace HTDM plugins in Logic just as has happened in Protools 7? It hate to simply lose HTDM plugins in a future version of Logic and not have them replaced with something. I doubt that RTAS would ever be implemented in Logic Native, but in Logic TDM it would make sense, give that HTDM has been abandoned by Digidesign as of ProTools7. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

> Hi Niko. > > Please post a link to the PDF-file. It would be nice. Here we go: Transferring Logic-songs from native to DAE-systems: http://nichtlinear.de/media/NATIVEtoDAEv1.pdf Take care, Niko Nikolaus Sieveking nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen <niko@nichtlinear.de> <www.nichtlinear.de>

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "kraakan" <kraakan@y...> wrote: > > > I have the same setup and a lot of crashes. > Have you get rid of your problems? What was the solution? > > > All the best.. > > Kraakan > Greetengs Kraakan, did you fix you crashing problems with Logic 7.1.1 and HD3 setup? I have same issues, any tips appreciated. Best, wfc

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Alar Suurna" <allarts@a...> wrote: "it's funny that not too many have been > complaining about this before. This is a real PITA, especially if you work > with many different layers of audio mixers." "> Seemes like Apple are in bad need of audio professionals with practical skills > instead of software developers.....oy, just a hint......... > > /alar" greetings alar, i agree 100%. dear developers, can you please fix this bug. it is embarrssing and makes this software feel very unprofessional and unprecise. you shold treat the mixer and the UI with the greatest restpect as finest tools are. we use this aplication to make most critical audio decisions and maneuvers. best, wfc ps. did anyone noticed that if you look at the meters of for example output1-2 track in the arrange window [on the handy stripe on the left] , the left side is usually represented by much lover value than it should be - if you switch to the mixer screen you can see that the levels are equal.

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