Hi I've got a couple of problems when trying to do the above. Firstly when I select an i/o plugin on my new default arrangement I get a feedback. I can't see why this is. I've tried muting the master output channel but then theres no output. Kinda getting a bit mixed up on this one. Because I know it works on an arrangement i've conerted from native , thus building my own tdm side of the environment. I can't see what the difference is. Secondly when it was working I get this kinda of slightly pasey sound back. again cant figure out what the routing problem is here. `my brain is just getting used to dae+htdm environment. Any ideas on this would be great.

Hello, guys. I really need help for setting up a working system with a deadline of 26.12.2005 .We got a G5 Dp 1,8Ghz with 1.5GB ram. PT HD3 with 2x192i/o interfaces Currently we are runngin Logic Pro 6.4 and Pt 6.4 which doesn´t run very stable. We are planning to update to newer software. Can anyone tell me what MAC OS and logic and Protools version does run stable? would anyone recommned Os 10.4.3 for example with Logic 7.1.1 and PT 7? Or what else does run good for steady studio use? I heard that PT 6.9 and mac os 10.4 with Logic 7 works pretty good. is it true? I hope anyone can help me. Sorry for my bad englisch. I´m from Austria (not where the Kangoroos are) Best regards Parsie

you should not update to pt 7 as of now. ther will be an update from apple of logic to be able to use pt7 i use pthd2accell 6.9 logic 7.1.1 10.4.3 there is one revision of the g51.8 that is not certified by digidesign works excellent markus

Don't forget to explore using a secondary firewire interface with ADAT lightpipe (eg motu 828) for Logic's Native environment (all software instruments, native audio, etc) on coreaudio instead of DTDM with ESB. Pretty much the consensus here that ESB is a big culprit in quirks, annoyances and instability. Also don't forget to install the Apple Proapps support. Start low with your OS trials. I know a lot of folks still using PT 6.9 with 10.3.8 and Logic 7.1.1 as they don't want to tempt the fates by updating their OS. Clone your Boot drive before upgrading. Also there is no Logic and PT 7 compatibility as of yet as Digi has totally redesigned DAE and Apple is catching up with them in terms of their PT support. Welcome to the wild frontier!

The G5 1.8 Dp is certified. Thanks for the hint. So markus you would recommend Pt V6.9 (what CS?)is 6.9.2 also ok? with Logic 7.1.1 or is 7.1 better and OX 10.4.3 Has anyone a better config idea? or are the most users on that setup? What did you mean with do not update to PT7? Is there a compatibility issue? What Apple Logic upadte are you talking of? the setup must really work as we all know time is money, the studio is only 3days closed over x-mas where we´re getting us up to date. you can imagine what happens if the computer isn´t working and the bands can´t do their recordings. There is no 2nd machine, no rescue ring in the sea. Thanks Best regards Parsie --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, markus enochson <markus.enochson@a...> wrote: > > you should not update to pt 7 as of now. ther will be an update from > apple of logic to be able to use pt7 > > i use pthd2accell 6.9 > logic 7.1.1 > 10.4.3 > > there is one revision of the g51.8 that is not certified by digidesign > > works excellent > > markus >

Logic needs to be rewritten totally to work with PT7. I did install PT 7 on another drive and have been getting into that but stick with PT6.9 until the revised LP7.2 comes out. And even then what bugs or quirks will we have to live with? Peace, Pete www.GulfsideRegionalHospice.org www.TheUpperRoomRecordingStudio.com -----Original Message----- From: samoaparsie <parsie@gmx.at> To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:48:04 -0000 Subject: [L-TDM] Re: Need help setting up new system The G5 1.8 Dp is certified. Thanks for the hint. So markus you would recommend Pt V6.9 (what CS?)is 6.9.2 also ok? with Logic 7.1.1 or is 7.1 better and OX 10.4.3 Has anyone a better config idea? or are the most users on that setup? What did you mean with do not update to PT7? Is there a compatibility issue? What Apple Logic upadte are you talking of? the setup must really work as we all know time is money, the studio is only 3days closed over x-mas where we´re getting us up to date. you can imagine what happens if the computer isn´t working and the bands can´t do their recordings. There is no 2nd machine, no rescue ring in the sea. Thanks Best regards Parsie --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, markus enochson <markus.enochson@a...> wrote: > > you should not update to pt 7 as of now. ther will be an update from > apple of logic to be able to use pt7 > > i use pthd2accell 6.9 > logic 7.1.1 > 10.4.3 > > there is one revision of the g51.8 that is not certified by digidesign > > works excellent > > markus > Yahoo! Groups Links

i use 6.9.3 for pt works great with 7.1.1 & 10.4.3 full system is g5 2*2 2.5gb hd2 accel 192 + 2*888:24 good luck m

Markus - are you using a CoreAudio interface with your system? Or do you use ESB/DTDM? Just curious... --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, markus enochson <markus.enochson@a...> wrote: > > i use 6.9.3 for pt works great with 7.1.1 & 10.4.3 > > full system is > > g5 2*2 2.5gb > hd2 accel 192 + 2*888:24 > > good luck > > m >

That's a 'hellava statement! What makes you think "Logic needs to be rewritten totally", as opposed to tweaked? Will > Logic needs to be rewritten totally to work with PT7.

Parsie This is just my 2 cents but to me the prospect of getting logic up and running with protools in a fresh install in just 3 days is pretty ambitious. I remember it taking me more than that just to construct my environment and get sound coming out! Every virtual instrument you install has a large degree of fine tuning regarding their caches and buffer sizes. And quirky behavior abounds. I remember having a drum kit from hell problem that it started losing the meter after about eight bars in no matter how I tweaked the buffers, loaded into ram (nearly killed my computer) or whatever. I finally built a kit minus the room sounds and it worked fine, several days later. The only manufacturer which has worked out of the box for me is Spectrasonics. Unfortunately I think in the pro audio (or semi pro) world outside protools, the manufacturers see the consumer as a beta tester of sorts. Everything you install requires a lot of updates required, some of which are sometimes on a co manufacturers site or thatof the distributer (eg NI/East west) On top of that every person's use of logic is different to a degree so setup can be widely varied. The concept and execution of the envirnment, especially in regards to TDM/Protools is a bit to wrap your head around. Additionally it seems to me that you are installing protools for the first time on your computer which although fairly streamlined these days could involve the better part of a day if you know what you are doing. If you have access to a logic consultant I would highly recommend hiring one and as I mentioned before adding a Motu 828 or RME Fireface to use with coreaudio in lieu of ESB/DTDM will not only make available more processing power on your cards but way more stable. I recently upgraded my PT TDM/logic rig to os 10 versions of the same, to prepare for a tv show I scored (Jesse James: Legend, Outlaw, Terrorist for Discovery networks) and the changeover, setting up new instruments and ones I had used in OS 9, dealing with video sync issues, protools cs updates and apple pro support updates, midi setup, environment issues took me close to two weeks of 12 hour plus days pouring through manuals and combing support forums. I have been working in protools for about 7 years and with sequencers like studio vision and performer for almost as long, have done extensive midi orchestration, so I would not account the time spent on the learning curve to my inexperience by any means. Logic is just SO open in its architecture that it takes some time to decide how you are going to use it and then set it up to do so and then make everything get along. It's like you bought a Ferrari and it was delivered disassembled, with a wrench of course. My advice to you would be to have a conservative backup plan, for example set up and test protools first and use protools after the holiday if logic is buggery, er I mean buggy! good luck!

Thanks Matt!... Nice to hear some balanced perspectives on these matters!... :-) Fredrik ________________________________________ Fredrik Beckmann Beckmann & Co Rostastrand 51 703 44 OREBRO SWEDEN Tel: 019-18 50 02 Fax: 019-18 50 04 Mob: 0708-35 47 36 Hemsida: www.beckmann-co.se mailto: fredrik@beckmann-co.se ________________________________________

Hello Erik I use both esb tdm and the "native port" for core audio. i have read somewhere that you are better off not using both in conjunction with each other but for me it makes no difference. i mainly use esb tdm but i sometimes uses the audio in port on the mac to route stuff back into the native side from tdm. matt/parsie i've set up systems no problem in three days. i swithced from g4/g5 in one day with a clean install myself. running the HD system of the g4 was a bit of a hassle though good luck markus 20 dec 2005 kl. 20.51 skrev Erik Huber: > Markus - are you using a CoreAudio interface with your system? Or > do you use ESB/DTDM? > Just curious... > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, markus enochson > <markus.enochson@a...> wrote: >> >> i use 6.9.3 for pt works great with 7.1.1 & 10.4.3 >> >> full system is >> >> g5 2*2 2.5gb >> hd2 accel 192 + 2*888:24 >> >> good luck >> >> m >> >

As could I..... NOW. I was not trying to be the voice of doom, rather trying to inject some conservatism into the expectations of Parsie who appears to be an initiate to Logic and maybe Protools as well. Sounded like as fresh install of both on a new computer which if you were experienced in setting up would be simple having had the benefit of developing a strategy or method. It's not as complex as perhaps just quirky and all of the necessary information is not always readily available (eg why does my g4 dual 1.25 not support 48k core audio? And setting sessions to 48k or higher causes all native tracks and instruments to mute, or getting the same result from importing a 48k quicktime movie!) and needs to be gleaned from web sites ljke this forum, and third party manufacturer's sites. All very time consuming if you are learning as you go and have no one for guidance, that¹s all. And why I strongly recommend hiring a consultant if one is available to be ready for the boxing day session. Merry christmas All!

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Matt McKenna <skylabfilmpop@s...> wrote: > > As could I..... NOW. I was not trying to be the voice of doom, rather > trying to inject some conservatism into the expectations of Parsie who > appears to be an initiate to Logic and maybe Protools as well. Sounded > like as fresh install of both on a new computer which if you were > experienced in setting up would be simple having had the benefit of > developing a strategy or method. It's not as complex as perhaps just quirky > and all of the necessary information is not always readily available (eg why > does my g4 dual 1.25 not support 48k core audio? And setting sessions to 48k > or higher causes all native tracks and instruments to mute, or getting the > same result from importing a 48k quicktime movie!) and needs to be gleaned > from web sites ljke this forum, and third party manufacturer's sites. All > very time consuming if you are learning as you go and have no one for > guidance, that¹s all. And why I strongly recommend hiring a consultant if > one is available to be ready for the boxing day session. > > Merry christmas All! > I´m really not initiat on Logic neither on Protools. We use the System since 10-14 years. Formerly with a PowerPC and the old PT system and since 6 month the HD3accel with 192I/0 The G5 is running in our studio since it is out. I think about 2 years or so. At first with a Core Audio Driver and a HW I don´t want to mention cause it didn´t bring the Depht of Protools HW in the Loudspeakers. The only thing I wanted to know from people on this site is their knowledge, experience ... with working Logic, OS and PT versions. Since 10.3.8 with Logic 6.4 and PT 6.7 has more to do with poker than prof. recording, we are updating our system over xmas. I got a lot of input of poeple here in this forum. Thanks to those. I will use pt 6.9. and logic 7.1 with os 10.3.8 maybe 10.4 don´t kniow yet. we´ll see, and I will tell you how it worked. Thanks again to my helpers, and merry Christmas.

Hoping someone could give me their tips on the best way to do the following: the setup: 1. I'm running logic and protools simultaneously on the same machine. Logic is running thru coreaudio (using a rme fireface interface) and protools is running DAE using a 192 digital i/o. 2. My source material is all done in logic and I'm routing 16 busses out of logic digitally via adat from the RME to the 192 digital into protools. This way I can use 16 tracks of protools with delay compensation but have the source material live from logic so I can make on the fly changes in logic. the goal: Looking for best way to press play or record on either program's transport and have the other one chase along. Thanks!

Hi folks , I jjust returned from the Himilayas to find Apple has introduced new Macs that obsolete our pci hardware. So, If I missed the thread please forgive me. I'm reticant to invest in new digi hardware. What are people doing? Are they upgrading their cards? Buying old G5's? Getting exppansion chasis? Will my old tdm pllugs work on the new macs if I upgrade my cards or do I need to buy all new versions? Any thoughts?? Thanks!

Got a bit of a buzz, just came back after a good dinner so i expect you to forgive and forget. What do you wanna do? What do you need to do it? What´s you setup? What are you missing? If you can appreciate the Himalayas you have what it takes to make good music with the tools at hand. I think you should make the album that tells us the story of your voyage. You probably have all the tools you need for now. I´ll be the first one to buy the cd. Merry Christmas all! /E G5 2x1,8, 4GB RAM, OSX 10.4.2, HD Accel3, PT 6.9.3cs2, L7.1.1 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB mob. +46 708 650 550 erik@futurelove.se 23 dec 2005 kl. 21.45 skrev Spiritpathpress@aol.com: > Hi folks , I jjust returned from the Himilayas to find Apple has > introduced > new Macs that obsolete our pci hardware. So, If I missed the > thread please > forgive me. I'm reticant to invest in new digi hardware. What are > people doing? > Are they upgrading their cards? Buying old G5's? Getting exppansion > chasis? > Will my old tdm pllugs work on the new macs if I upgrade my cards > or do I need to > buy all new versions? Any thoughts?? Thanks!

>Hi folks , I jjust returned from the Himilayas to find Apple has introduced >new Macs that obsolete our pci hardware. So, If I missed the thread please >forgive me. I'm reticant to invest in new digi hardware. What are >people doing? >Are they upgrading their cards? Buying old G5's? Getting exppansion chasis? >Will my old tdm pllugs work on the new macs if I upgrade my cards or >do I need to >buy all new versions? Any thoughts?? Thanks! Best to sit tight for right now, or buy a previous generation PCI-X Mac. Logic/PT users can't make the switch to PT7 yet, because Logic will not work with it. The new Digidesign PCI Express cards require PT7. It would be unwise to upgrade to the PCI-E cards, anyway, because there is no increase in performance, and they're really expensive to boot. Digidesign most likely has a brand new system on the way, so the PCI-E cards are just a short term solution. If you will need to move to a new G5 with PCI-E, a wiser alternative is to buy Digidesign's new expansion chassis that has the option of either a PCI or PCI-E host card. The chassis holds the PCI Digidesign cards. Unfortunately, this also cannot be used with Logic at this time, because the new chassis requires PT 7.1 software. So, relax and organize your vacation slides. ;) Lee Blaske

> Looking for best way to press play or record on either program's > transport and have the > other one chase along. I'd do it the same way you do it if they're on two separate machines, except that you send MTC over IAC (inter-application communication) rather than to the other machine. So go into Logic's Song Settings and enable MTC transmission to the IAC port, then go into PT and click on the clock at the left side of the transport so it turns light blue (meaning it's waiting for MTC). PT will go wherever Logic is. You can also enable of PT via MMC (MIDI Machine Control) in Setup- >Peripherals. Or you can switch the two set-ups. Look in Prefs->MIDI->Sync Settings in Logic. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

> So go into Logic's Song Settings and enable MTC transmission to the > IAC port, then go into PT and click on the clock at the left side of > the transport so it turns light blue (meaning it's waiting for MTC). > PT will go wherever Logic is. > > You can also enable of PT via MMC (MIDI Machine Control) in Setup- > >Peripherals. > > Or you can switch the two set-ups. Look in Prefs->MIDI->Sync Settings > in Logic. Thanks for the tip...having a little trouble here. I put the IAC online in the audio midi setup, went to logic and sent MTC to the iac bus (song settings), put PT online by hitting the clock to the left of the stop button and the following happens: Logic's ruler turns blue when I press play, it starts cycling thru a 1 beat phrase (even though an 8 bar region is highlighted in the ruler), and then it jumps around spastically. PT doesn't seem to react at all...ideas? thanks in advance for the IAC sync 101 class.

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On Friday, December 23, 2005, at 03:45 PM, Spiritpathpress@aol.com wrote: > Hi folks , I jjust returned from the Himilayas to find Apple has > introduced > new Macs that obsolete our pci hardware. keep in mind that just because Apple introduced new Mac's, does not automatically mean that your ProTools system will suddenly stop working. > So, If I missed the thread please > forgive me. I'm reticant to invest in new digi hardware. What are > people doing? People are either happily still using their existing systems, or investing in the new system. This is not unlike a dozen or so points in Digi/Apple's history. Nothing to be too concerned about at all. > > Are they upgrading their cards? Buying old G5's? Getting exppansion > chasis? > Will my old tdm pllugs work on the new macs if I upgrade my cards or > do I need to > buy all new versions? This is merely a change in hardware, all your plug ins will work fine whether you upgrade or not. Nothing to worry about IMO. Eddie IMS > Any thoughts?? Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

On Friday, December 23, 2005, at 03:45 PM, Spiritpathpress@aol.com wrote: >> Hi folks , I jjust returned from the Himilayas to find Apple has >> introduced >> new Macs that obsolete our pci hardware. From: Eddie Sullivan <esullivan@integratedmidi.com> > keep in mind that just because Apple introduced new Mac's, does not > automatically mean that your ProTools system will suddenly stop > working. Then my Quadra 650 NuBus system is still current! Thanks Eddie. :) Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

I don't really have a NuBus system, of course... Spiritpathpress, you know about death and taxes? Given the history, I think it's safe to add Macintosh slot obsolescence to the list. :) Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

Spiritpathpress@aol.com wrote: > ....Apple has introduced new Macs that obsolete > our pci hardware. Eddie Sullivan <esullivan@integratedmidi.com> wrote: > just because Apple introduced new Mac's, does not > automatically mean that your ProTools system will suddenly > stop working. Yes it does. If your Mac is on the Internet, Apple sends out a spike that will automatically make your hardware not work. And even if it isn't on the Internet, the spike will be sent via radio waves, so only those folks in Faraday cages will be spared... until they open the door even just a crack. Everybody knows that new computers aren't actually faster. It's just that they make old computers slower, thus meaning that you need to buy the new one just to be at the same point you were. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>