--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, James Richmond <richmondjames@m...> wrote: > > > Could someone tell me how to get midi to htdm instruments > > instanciated on DAE aux in > > Logic 7.1 ie. using arturia cs-80 or mini-moog etc. I just cant get > > it to work at all. Thanks. > > Hi, > > Instanciate the plugin. > Create a midi instrument in the environment and assign it to the > instrument. > Then create the midi track in the arrange page and away you go. > > James Richmond > > >thanks, but how do you assign it in the midi environment, the instanciated plugin doesn't show up in the port options of the midi instrument like it used in earlier versions of Logic and OS9 John Lunn

> thanks, but how do you assign it in the midi environment, the > instanciated plugin doesn't > show up in the port options of the midi instrument like it used in > earlier versions of Logic > and OS9 > > John Lunn John, At home now so doing it from memory. Create an instrument in the environment, assign it in the parameter box to the TDM instrument. I only use Indigo and they show up as "Indigo 1a", "Indigo 1b" not sure about your synth. That is it really. You do not enter midi info on the TDM channel, it wont be recognised. You enter that on the midi instrument channel- a pain imho- i like to be able to have the channel strip viewable at the same time in the arrange page and shift clicking interrupts my train of thought. I am a simple creature. Hope this helps, email me if you want more detailed destruction. JR

I'd guess this is being done now to pave the way for the new Apple Intel models coming up. Here is a quote from Wikipedia claiming the PCI-Express bus plays nice with Intel: > PCI Express, or PCIe, (formerly known as 3GIO for 3rd Generation I/ > O, not to be mistaken for PCI-X) is an implementation of the PCI > computer bus that uses existing PCI programming concepts, but bases > it on a completely different and much faster serial physical-layer > communications protocol. It is supported primarily by Intel, who > started working on the standard as the Arapahoe project after > pulling out of the InfiniBand system. > > PCI Express is intended to be used as a local interconnect only. As > it is based on the existing PCI system, cards and systems can be > converted to PCI Express by changing the physical layer only – > existing systems could be adapted to PCI Express without any change > in software. The higher speeds on PCI Express allow it to replace > almost all existing internal buses, including AGP and PCI, and > Intel envisions a single PCI Express controller talking to all > external devices, as opposed to the northbridge/southbridge > solution in current machines. The big question for upgrading is - how much difference will there be when the intel macs arrive? Will Digi revamp HD at that time, or will HD Accel continue to be their standard for a few more years? - Dave

Eddie Sullivan wrote: > > That would be a shame if developers did not design their cards to take > advantage of the increased bandwidth of PCI-Express... of course if > they do this it may take longer to see products actually being > offered... > > Eddie > IMS What is odd in all this discussion is the fact that we overlook that little ribbon that interconnects the TDM cards. Is it not a faster communications bus(es)? If not, what is it? Bob Vandiver

Thanks James, Yeah i tried that and it said my ilok didn't need updating. I suppose it could possibly be something to do with my interface aswell (96io) I also plugged that into my friends G5. --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, James Richmond <richmondjames@m...> wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if the xskey or iloks can cause such a crash ? these > > are the only things that i > > couldn't un plug (for obvious reasons). > > > > I'm really hoping someone can shed some light on this cos its > > driving be bonkers. > > Have you applied the XSKey fireware updater? > > James > > >

> Thanks James, > Yeah i tried that and it said my ilok didn't need updating. > I suppose it could possibly be something to do with my interface > aswell (96io) I also > plugged that into my friends G5. No, I mean the XSKey fireware updater- get it from Apple's site. I have a 96IO- it is unlikely to be causing this problem. Lack of headroom not withstanding they are pretty solid. JR

I don't think that ribbon carries much data- you need it hooked up to get the cards to see each other, and I'm sure that whatever modifications Digi has to make to accommodate PCI-Express, you will still need that cable if you have multiple cards. I guess if there are more powerful, ramped up cards in the future, less people will have multiples, therefore less people may need the cable. (called a 'flex' cable, by Digi) In any event the wikipedia post was mad interesting, it shows that the move to PCI- Express is really not all that drastic technically. I think it just took developers and end-users by surprise. Eddie IMS On Thursday, October 20, 2005, at 09:15 PM, bob_vandiver wrote: > Eddie Sullivan wrote: >> >> That would be a shame if developers did not design their cards to take >> advantage of the increased bandwidth of PCI-Express... of course if >> they do this it may take longer to see products actually being >> offered... >> >> Eddie >> IMS > > What is odd in all this discussion is the fact that we > overlook that little ribbon that interconnects the TDM > cards. Is it not a faster communications bus(es)? If > not, what is it? > > Bob Vandiver > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Tack Erik! G5 2x1,8, 4GB RAM, OSX 10.4.2, HD Accel3, PT 6.9.3cs2, L7.1.1 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB mob. +46 708 650 550 erik@futurelove.se 21 okt 2005 kl. 08.22 skrev Erik Sojdelius: > Erik, Peter Duemmler posted this link, some time ago: > ftp://ftp.apple.com/emagic/ > > Try there or send me a mail! > > ATB

"jlunn13" <jlunn13@mac.com> wrote: >Could someone tell me how to get midi to htdm >instruments instanciated on DAE aux in Logic 7.1 When a TDM or HTDM instrument is instanciated, it's "MIDI" input now becomes a possible destination on any instrument object. The manual will tell you to create a MIDI Instrument in the Environment, assign it to the softsynth in question (as if you were assigning a physical MIDI port), and then use this MIDI Instrument in the Arrange. But that's Satan's method. I cable the actual DAE AUX (that has the softsynth instanciated) to this MIDI object, and then I get to use the DAE AUX itself in the Arrange. This has the advantage of containing both the MIDI and the "audio" automation and channelstrip in one place. Oh, but there's one thing you gotta do: Put a transformer in between the DAE AUX and the MIDI Instrument object that filters out Controler#7 (Volume). That's because most softsynths will respond to CC7 (for volume), but you'll be using the DAE AUX's volume fader for this. If you don't filter out CC7, then you kind of have a "double volume" happening, the net result will be a way too crazy non-linear volume control. Hmmm, you might need to filter out Pan (CC10) also for the same reason. I wish that the audio objects sent out "FADER" data for everything. "FADER" data is a kind of proprietary data that is only for internal automation of Logic. But Volume and Pan still use plain old MIDI Controller data 7 and 10. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

Great tip f-erenc! I hate getting thrown out to the Environment when selecting a "instrument object" in the Arrange window. (I use mutiple windows linked in my different screensets) Thanx! /Erik > "jlunn13" <jlunn13@mac.com> wrote: >> Could someone tell me how to get midi to htdm >> instruments instanciated on DAE aux in Logic 7.1 > > When a TDM or HTDM instrument is instanciated, it's > "MIDI" input now becomes a possible destination on > any instrument object. > > The manual will tell you to create a MIDI Instrument in the > Environment, assign it to the softsynth in question (as if > you were assigning a physical MIDI port), and then use > this MIDI Instrument in the Arrange. But that's Satan's > method. > > I cable the actual DAE AUX (that has the softsynth instanciated) > to this MIDI object, and then I get to use the DAE AUX itself > in the Arrange. This has the advantage of containing both the > MIDI and the "audio" automation and channelstrip in one place. > > Oh, but there's one thing you gotta do: Put a transformer in > between the DAE AUX and the MIDI Instrument object that > filters out Controler#7 (Volume). That's because most softsynths > will respond to CC7 (for volume), but you'll be using the DAE > AUX's volume fader for this. If you don't filter out CC7, then > you kind of have a "double volume" happening, the net result > will be a way too crazy non-linear volume control. > > Hmmm, you might need to filter out Pan (CC10) also for the same reason. > > I wish that the audio objects sent out "FADER" data for everything. > "FADER" data is a kind of proprietary data that is only for > internal automation of Logic. But Volume and Pan still use plain > old MIDI Controller data 7 and 10. > > > > > f-erenc szabo, smarty pants > Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T > "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" > <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Hi guys, You can actually make it happen by creating a transformer that turns CC into FADER values. The obvious advantage is that you can control all instruments using Fader values (including the EXS and the Logic instr.) globally without having to specify what should control what separately for each preset. Filtering out controls 0-7 (I may have filtered out 0-11) lets you use those as CC:s for normal operation of the modwheel, vol and pan a.o. You set it up so you can switch the transformer on and off. That way you´ll easily toggle between controlling CC:s (normal operation) and Fader values. Since the transformer is set up globally you only have to do this once. Obviously I keep it in my Autoload. Connecting a monitor to one of the instrument tracks (where you instanciate the EXS or any synth you want to check out) lets you see what Fader values are being sent out by each parameter (Filter type, drive, rez, cutoff etc.). Tedious work to check out all the controllable parameters of each synth. But it sure opens up for spontaniety. Typically the kind of stuff you set up in the fall. I believe I´ve got some old charts somewhere with the fader values for a couple of the Logic instruments if someone´s interested. I also have presets for the Novation Remote 25 and possibly for the KORG (you know, the small one). Best /E G5 2x1,8, 4GB RAM, OSX 10.4.2, HD Accel3, PT 6.9.3cs2, L7.1.1 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB mob. +46 708 650 550 erik@futurelove.se 22 okt 2005 kl. 06.22 skrev f-erenc szabo: > I wish that the audio objects sent out "FADER" data for everything. > "FADER" data is a kind of proprietary data that is only for > internal automation of Logic. But Volume and Pan still use plain > old MIDI Controller data 7 and 10.

Do you guys have a suggestion for an external FW drive that would let me boot from it after a Carbon Copy Clone. I've tried with one of my LaCie's but it won't let me boot. Thanks In Advance, Erik

BTW Erik, I just have to mention that my rig works just fine under Tiger with no apparent changes. I can´t say I´ve put Logic to the test but upon normal use it´s pretty much the same as under 10.3.9. After some initial fiddling everything settled after a day or two. My initial problems kind of just vanished. All I´ve done so far is take my HTDM version of NI´s FM7 out of the plugins folder. I haven´t bothered updating it yet (as JR suggested) but I usually instaciate it on the native side anyway. Best /E G5 2x1,8, 4GB RAM, OSX 10.4.2, HD Accel3, PT 6.9.3cs2, L7.1.1 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB mob. +46 708 650 550 erik@futurelove.se 22 okt 2005 kl. 13.58 skrev godmouth1965: > Do you guys have a suggestion for an external FW drive that would > let me boot from it after a > Carbon Copy Clone. > > I've tried with one of my LaCie's but it won't let me boot. > > Thanks In Advance, > > Erik

On 21-10-05 16:32, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@goodmedia.com> wrote: > Henning Kristiansen <pro.studio@chello.no> wrote: >> I´m pretty kinda out of HD space and >> would like to load my exs programs/samples stored >> on my other G4. >> This other G4 have a large FW800 disk loaded with >> exs instruments/samples. >> I can get logic pro to find the programs (by making aliases >> of the folder on the other G4)... But It cant find the samples. > > main Audio menu -> EXS Instrument Editor -> Edit -> Preferences > > Make sure "Search Samples On" is set to "All Volumes" (or just External > if you know you don't need to search on any hard drives attached to > your Mac with Logic booted up on it). > > Local = what's attached to your Mac > External = what's attached to other computers seen through a network > All = both Local and External Thanks f-erenc... Learning something new each day. I have had great success so far with the "load samples through the ethernet"... Speed is very good. Regards. Henning.

From: "bob_vandiver" <bobv@easystreet.com> > What is odd in all this discussion is the fact that we > overlook that little ribbon that interconnects the TDM > cards. Is it not a faster communications bus(es)? If > not, what is it? I'm no EE, but the TDM (Time Division Multiplexing) bus would have to be connected by wire or circuit board traces - it's not the PCI bus. The PCI bus is what connects the whole thing to the computer. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

Hey Group! Just wanted to share a good experience with OSX own "Restore" Capability! As stated earlier I had some issues with CCC and getting my drive to boot. Well, here's what I did: 1. Popped in the Tiger installation DVD and rebooted from that ("c-start") 2. Chose DiscUtility 3. Chose "Restore" - Source: my system HD - Destination: my new FW800 Drive 4. Pressed Restore Voilá! A new drive to boot from. Running it now, works like a charm! All Authorizations are here, all prefs, etc. It's quick too! The question now: Why does anyone bother with CCC? Does it have advantages? Cheers, Erik

Thanxs Erik! It's funny, I was just calling you yesterday about this! I kind of remembered you having some troubles with the NI stuff but that's great to know. As you know I'm about to jump, and my NI komplete 3 box is sitting here beside me waiting.... So everything setteled right? That's cool. I hope I'll have the same luck! Anyway, I have my new drive with my 10.3.8/PT6.9.1/LAP7.1.1 config here too, so I can keep working from that if all goes haywire.. ATB, Erik > BTW Erik, > I just have to mention that my rig works just fine under Tiger with > no apparent changes. I can´t say I´ve put Logic to the test but upon > normal use it´s pretty much the same as under 10.3.9. > > After some initial fiddling everything settled after a day or two. My > initial problems kind of just vanished. All I´ve done so far is take > my HTDM version of NI´s FM7 out of the plugins folder. I haven´t > bothered updating it yet (as JR suggested) but I usually instaciate > it on the native side anyway. > > Best > /E > > G5 2x1,8, 4GB RAM, OSX 10.4.2, HD Accel3, PT 6.9.3cs2, L7.1.1 > _______________________________ > > Erik Häusler > Future Love Productions AB > mob. +46 708 650 550 > erik@futurelove.se > > > 22 okt 2005 kl. 13.58 skrev godmouth1965: > >> Do you guys have a suggestion for an external FW drive that would >> let me boot from it after a >> Carbon Copy Clone. >> >> I've tried with one of my LaCie's but it won't let me boot. >> >> Thanks In Advance, >> >> Erik > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Ooops sorry that was a typo....i meant xskey aswell Toni > > No, I mean the XSKey fireware updater- get it from Apple's site. >> > Thanks James, > > Yeah i tried that and it said my ilok didn't need updating. > > I suppose it could possibly be something to do with my interface > > aswell (96io) I also > > plugged that into my friends G5.

Your problem is probably with the clone process and not with the drive. I have several different models of La Cie and Maxtor FW 400 drives - they all boot fine. But I don't use CCC, I use Retrospect to duplicate my discs. I tried CCC for a while and it seemed to be missing some files. I don't know why that would happen since it's just a script running regular unix terminal commands, but it was happening. After I switched to Retrospect (which cost $150 or so), the duplicated drives now boot OK and no files are missing. Maybe CCC is OK and I missed something important, but I didn't want to take any chances with my data and got spooked when I noticed missing files in the clones. - Dave

hey this is out topic but whre do i find the controler values for midi for sculpture? best markus

Tjena Markus, one way to find out is to connect a monitor from an instrument track. It then shows you what values it sends out. I guess it sends out Fader values, not CC:s. All the best /E G5 2x1,8, 4GB RAM, OSX 10.4.2, HD Accel3, PT 6.9.3cs2, L7.1.1 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB mob. +46 708 650 550 erik@futurelove.se 22 okt 2005 kl. 15.14 skrev markus enochson: > this is out topic but whre do i find the controler values for midi > for sculpture? > > best > > markus >

I hope you do too! So I guess by the time you read this you´re a happy Tiger user... Thanks for the OSX restore tip! Best /E G5 2x1,8, 4GB RAM, OSX 10.4.2, HD Accel3, PT 6.9.3cs2, L7.1.1 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB mob. +46 708 650 550 erik@futurelove.se 23 okt 2005 kl. 14.41 skrev Erik Sojdelius: > So everything setteled right? That's cool. I hope I'll have the > same luck!

my bad. very easy. sculpture has learn midi value capabilities. m

Hoping I could get the masters to chime in for me here. Is this going to be a cool setup? ------------ logic711...pthd3/192...rme fireface Compositional work in an 'all coreaudio' environment with the RME as the coreaudio device. Create "DAE aux in" layer containing 16 DAE aux tracks being fed by 16 adat lineouts of the RME. Essentially work and monitor (stereo analog outs) via coreaudio until I'm ready to flip the switch at which point I'll route the coreaudio tracks to the 16 DAE inputs for final mixing, TDM plugging, and dangerous 2 bus feeding for analog gear. My goal here would be to work in a more stable logic status, with more simplicity, and with more "pass around" compatiblity between other coreaudio only logic setups. Not to mention better compatibility with my coreaudio based laptop. After the composition is ready to be mixed, I'd like to be able to kick in the DAE horsepower and add the rest of my mix room. Questions 1. Am I going to have any latency issues stemming from digital routing-RME to the 192 via adat lightpipe? (if so, is it comparable to esb bus latency?) 2. If I create 16 coreaudio busses to serve as "placeholder" DAE stems that could be initially routed to analog 1-2 during composition but later switched to DAE feeds for mixing, would this degrade the sound quality? Essentially, do coreaudio busses create more number crunching, less stereo field, and worse sound quality? Thanks for your input! This is a big move from my current setup and I want to make sure it is the correct one. Best, Soca

Hi, How do i get rid of "direkt tdm error 10011"? What does it mean anyway? Anybody out there who have a god solid tip for me? PT hd2acc - LP 7.1 - G4 2x1.25 Thanks! Mattias - Sweden