Your warning is in place Lee, I´ve never really felt the need for EPIC, I just thought I´d try it out. Don´t see how it could hurt at this stage... /E 2005-09-29 kl. 02.31 skrev Lee Blaske: > If you really want to use them, though, it would be smart to > bounce down tracks that use those plug-ins before archiving a session.

I think so Jamey. On Waves 5 you have to get the AU Waveshell 5.01 which is a significant improvement stabilitywise over 5.0. On the TDM side WS 5.0 works like a charm, I don´t believe there are any updates beyond that (I´m obviously just talking Logic here, I really don´t know my way around PT). And yes, it is truly amazing that you don´t get working versions of plugins that you spent a fortune buying. This policy truly sets Waves aside from just about everyone else. All the best /E G5 2x1,8, 4GB RAM, OSX 10.3.9, HD Accel3, PT 6.9, L7.1 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB mob. +46 708 650 550 erik@futurelove.se 2005-09-28 kl. 19.24 skrev Jamey Scott: > On this subject, on my initial opening of Logic, the AudioUnits > validator > application kept "unexpectedly quitting" whenever it tried to validate > a > waves plugin. I am admittedly not up to date with my waves (using a > v4...not > a big fan of WUP-ass). Is there some sort of conflict with Logic and > waves > v4?

I'm creating an audio project in the fashion of "old school, theater of the mind radio" with 6-7 different voices in multiple environments e.g. rooms (big and small), outdoors, near and far conversational perspectives. The duration is about 30-40 minutes. I'm trying to find the best way to keep my logic session organized and in particular, reverbs. What I'm finding is that I can create a sonic texture for a particular scene using a couple of different verbs. For example, the characters may be speaking in a room, all in different positions and as such require a couple of different verbs with different settings. The problem (or potential problem) is that in order to create the scene properly, I'm doing a fair amount of tweaking on the reverbs and the number of verb styles starts to grow semi exponentially as the scenes/multiple voices start to add up. With 7-10 different scenes all requiring different reverb arrangements, I am faced with the possibility of: a) racking up a bunch of sends and a large handful of verb channels alongside a bunch of automation. b) Mixing in sections, bouncing, then moving on. This method along with saving would allow me to re use the same verb channels and lighten the automation load but would make revises and recall more difficult. It seems there are other permutations of these models so I was curious what your thoughts on the best way to go about this. I like the idea of having everything in one session with instantaneous and total recallability but it seems like a trade off between this and the inherit sluggish and some times glitchy nature of a heavily loaded session. I'm running logic 7.1, on a dual 2.5G5 with protocols HD3 and an RME fireface for coreaudio. Your thoughts, strategies would be much appreciated.

I'm creating an audio project in the fashion of "old school, theater of the mind radio" with 6-7 different voices in multiple environments e.g. rooms (big and small), outdoors, near and far conversational perspectives. The duration is about 30-40 minutes. I'm trying to find the best way to keep my logic session organized and in particular, reverbs. What I'm finding is that I can create a sonic texture for a particular scene using a couple of different verbs. For example, the characters may be speaking in a room, all in different positions and as such require a couple of different verbs with different settings. The problem (or potential problem) is that in order to create the scene properly, I'm doing a fair amount of tweaking on the reverbs and the number of verb styles starts to grow semi exponentially as the scenes/multiple voices start to add up. With 7-10 different scenes all requiring different reverb arrangements, I am faced with the possibility of: a) racking up a bunch of sends and a large handful of verb channels alongside a bunch of automation. b) Mixing in sections, bouncing, then moving on. This method along with saving would allow me to re use the same verb channels and lighten the automation load but would make revises and recall more difficult. It seems there are other permutations of these models so I was curious what your thoughts on the best way to go about this. I like the idea of having everything in one session with instantaneous and total recallability but it seems like a trade off between this and the inherit sluggish and some times glitchy nature of a heavily loaded session. I'm running logic 7.1, on a dual 2.5G5 with protools HD3 and an RME fireface for coreaudio. Your thoughts, strategies would be much appreciated.

Thanks for the input. I may just have to hold my breath and get my ass-WUP'd. Though I may wait until the verdict of how well they work with PT7. -Jamey on 9/28/05 7:17 PM, Erik Häusler wrote: > I think so Jamey. > On Waves 5 you have to get the AU Waveshell 5.01 which is a significant > improvement stabilitywise over 5.0. On the TDM side WS 5.0 works like a > charm, I don´t believe there are any updates beyond that (I´m obviously > just talking Logic here, I really don´t know my way around PT). > > And yes, it is truly amazing that you don´t get working versions of > plugins that you spent a fortune buying. > This policy truly sets Waves aside from just about everyone else.

You might benefit from using early reflections only for the multitudes of tracks and mixing them all with a more generic tail. For example, if you tweak the early reflections right and eliminate the verb tails from your algorithms, you'll be able to define the size, type and position of the sound but not have the CPU overhead of having to process the tails. Once you have your positional information dialed in, then you can send each track to a few busses which have more generic tails, automate the size and decay and then mix those tails with the early reflection tracks to create a larger reverb sound but with a large selection of positioned sounds. I do this all of the time in larger mixes and not only is it a more efficient use of system resources, but the results are often more realistic and dynamic than multiple reverb busses. I learned this trick a long time ago in making sounds for games where the use of in-game reverbs made the sound horrible due to the inability to create good reverbs from low resource DSP. I would burn in the early reflections into the sound samples and use the less than ideal system verbs for just the tails. It worked well in some cases, works much better now that we have more resources for DSP and the ability to position stereo samples. Give it a shot! -Jamey

Hi Erik, Thanks for your interest, but I loaded a few old sessions this morning & it's happening with them too, so hopefully it's not my autoload pd

Had the same problems. Tried everything. Finaly upgrading from 10.3 to Tiger was the solution for me. Goodluck.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I had the same problem with 7.1 (on Tiger) Almost made the switch to PtoTools (after 10 years Logic), but now I don't have to take that step back. It's a shame you can't contact apple for problems like this. BTW. You don't have to arm the tracks, just selecting one of the 32 set will do. Same counts for track 65-96 etc. Hope with next update TDM DSP usage is available again. You realy made my day!!!

If you feel so inclined, try this: Pan an audio TDM track hard left or right. Send it via a stereo bus to a stereo aux. On that stereo aux instantiate a Reverb plug. In my case Revibe. Make sure it is 100% wet. Turn up the send from the audio track.........................listen as it pans to center.............WTF!!! Now try it without a plug at all. Listen as it pans to centre..................WTF!!! I was wondering why I was hearing phase when sending. It's driving me nuts. Please tell me it doesn't happen on your TDM rig. I think I'll go to bed now. Phil Buckle.

Tiger update has seemed to fix it- for me also, but I am still installing software. Whether it was HD corruption or a bug in 10.3.x I dont know JR On Sep 29, 2005, at 3:17 PM, forums@logic-users.org wrote: > > Had the same problems. Tried everything. > Finaly upgrading from 10.3 to Tiger was the solution for me. > Goodluck. >

For mono TDM tracks, choose "Post Pan" in the sends menu, that should fix it. "Post" on stereo tracks is after panning. Martin > From: Phil Buckle <pbuckle1@optusnet.com.au> > Reply-To: <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:59:48 +1000 > To: <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [L-TDM] Logic Aux behaviour > > If you feel so inclined, try this: > Pan an audio TDM track hard left or right. Send it via a stereo bus > to a stereo aux. On that stereo aux instantiate a Reverb plug. In my > case Revibe. Make sure it is 100% wet. > Turn up the send from the audio track.........................listen > as it pans to center.............WTF!!! > Now try it without a plug at all. Listen as it pans to > centre..................WTF!!! > I was wondering why I was hearing phase when sending. It's driving me > nuts. > Please tell me it doesn't happen on your TDM rig. > I think I'll go to bed now. > Phil Buckle. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

>EPIC was discontinued a couple of years ago. Consider this >an unsupported and undocumented bonus! There are forces >at work behind the scenes doing "free" stuff just for the good >will. I just got my EPIC bundle code. Wicked! JR

The Waves plugins work flawlessly here all of them (Platinum), both native and TDM. I use them extensively. /Erik G5 2x1,8, 4GB RAM, OSX 10.3.9, HD Accel3, PT 6.9, L7.1 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB mob. +46 708 650 550 erik@futurelove.se 2005-09-29 kl. 04.24 skrev Jamey Scott: > Thanks for the input. I may just have to hold my breath and get my > ass-WUP'd. Though I may wait until the verdict of how well they work > with > PT7. > -Jamey

Innit! /Erik 2005-09-29 kl. 23.44 skrev James Richmond: > I just got my EPIC bundle code. > Wicked! > > JR

I have (2) Digi 888/24's and want to have 16 channels of I/O with Logic Pro 7.0.1. Since Core Audio will only support 8 channels, is there a way to have Core Audio control the first 888 and Direct TDM (DAE) control the second? I keep getting a "hardware in use" error when launching with Core Audio and DAE as drivers. I'll continue to search this group and others, but if anyone can help out . . . . THANX

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "mark" <mail@n...> wrote: > I have (2) Digi 888/24's and want to have 16 channels of I/O with > Logic Pro 7.0.1. > Since Core Audio will only support 8 channels, is there a way to have > Core Audio control > the first 888 and Direct TDM (DAE) control the second? > I keep getting a "hardware in use" error when launching with Core > Audio and DAE as > drivers. > I'll continue to search this group and others, but if anyone can help > out . . . . > > THANX Not using your digi hardware via coreaudio. Your I/O boxes are attached to your protools cards so essentially, they are going to be hijacked by the digidesign coreaudio driver if the coreaudio driver is selected. Under this config, you will only have access to 8 outs. If you want to use 16outs, select just the DAE/TDM drivers and NOT the coreaudio driver. Your DTDM tracks will feed the into ESB busses which give you the first eight outs on the DTDM side of things. DAE tracks can utilize the other eight outs. good luck grasshoppa

Thanx so much for the help sonecabravo . . . . Your suggestion was helpful in getting the Logic software instruments to playback thru TDM. But . . . I have yet to get my second 888/24 to work in OSX (10.3.9) . . . even in Pro Tools! Digidesign says: "Digidesign CoreAudio Driver will provide up to 16 channels of I/Owith Pro Tools|24MIX." But then they say: "For Pro Tools TDM systems with more than one card and multiple I/O's, only the primary I/O connected to the first core card can be used with CoreAudio." Gimme a break! Which is it? Can I use my second 888/24 in OSX or not? My rig: G4/800/1GB RAM Digi Mix Plus 24 (2 cards) (2) Digi 888/24 Yamah 02R w/ (2) 8-channel AES cards to the 888's Pro Tools 6.4.1 Logic 7.0.1 DAE 6.4.1 CoreAudio driver 6.5.2 (also tried 6.4.1) Guess I'll be staying in OS 9 after all . . . . just wish I could Logic 7 there. ANY HELP APPRECIATED! --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "sonecabravo" <sonecabravo@y...> wrote: > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "mark" <mail@n...> wrote: > > I have (2) Digi 888/24's and want to have 16 channels of I/O with > > Logic Pro 7.0.1. > > Since Core Audio will only support 8 channels, is there a way to have > > Core Audio control > > the first 888 and Direct TDM (DAE) control the second? > > I keep getting a "hardware in use" error when launching with Core > > Audio and DAE as > > drivers. > > I'll continue to search this group and others, but if anyone can help > > out . . . . > > > > THANX > > Not using your digi hardware via coreaudio. Your I/O boxes are attached to your protools > cards so essentially, they are going to be hijacked by the digidesign coreaudio driver if the > coreaudio driver is selected. Under this config, you will only have access to 8 outs. If you > want to use 16outs, select just the DAE/TDM drivers and NOT the coreaudio driver. Your > DTDM tracks will feed the into ESB busses which give you the first eight outs on the DTDM > side of things. DAE tracks can utilize the other eight outs. > > good luck grasshoppa

Unless you add a native audio interface, you should not use Core Audio with TDM. Turn off the Core Audio driver and use DAE to drive your 888¹s and DTDM through ESB for your native stuff. Also, 7.1 is way more stable than 7.0.1, adds features and fixes bugs, so you should buy that very inexpensive upgrade. Also, run the Pro Application Updater 3, a free download from Apple that fixes more bugs. If you search this archive, the link is listed in a recent message. * Dave On 9/29/05 6:48 PM, "mark" <mail@newsoundprod.com> wrote: > Thanx so much for the help sonecabravo . . . . > > Your suggestion was helpful in getting the Logic software instruments to > playback thru > TDM. > > But . . . I have yet to get my second 888/24 to work in OSX (10.3.9) . . . > even in Pro Tools! > > Digidesign says: > "Digidesign CoreAudio Driver will provide up to 16 channels of I/Owith Pro > Tools|24MIX." > > But then they say: > "For Pro Tools TDM systems with more than one card and multiple I/O's, only > the primary > I/O connected to the first core card can be used with CoreAudio." > > Gimme a break! Which is it? > Can I use my second 888/24 in OSX or not? > > My rig: > G4/800/1GB RAM > Digi Mix Plus 24 (2 cards) > (2) Digi 888/24 > Yamah 02R w/ (2) 8-channel AES cards to the 888's > Pro Tools 6.4.1 > Logic 7.0.1 > DAE 6.4.1 > CoreAudio driver 6.5.2 (also tried 6.4.1) > > Guess I'll be staying in OS 9 after all . . . . just wish I could Logic 7 > there. > > ANY HELP APPRECIATED! > > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "sonecabravo" <sonecabravo@y...> wrote: >> > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "mark" <mail@n...> wrote: >>> > > I have (2) Digi 888/24's and want to have 16 channels of I/O with >>> > > Logic Pro 7.0.1. >>> > > Since Core Audio will only support 8 channels, is there a way to have >>> > > Core Audio control >>> > > the first 888 and Direct TDM (DAE) control the second? >>> > > I keep getting a "hardware in use" error when launching with Core >>> > > Audio and DAE as >>> > > drivers. >>> > > I'll continue to search this group and others, but if anyone can help >>> > > out . . . . >>> > > >>> > > THANX >> > >> > Not using your digi hardware via coreaudio. Your I/O boxes are attached to >> your > protools >> > cards so essentially, they are going to be hijacked by the digidesign >> coreaudio driver if > the >> > coreaudio driver is selected. Under this config, you will only have access >> to 8 outs. If > you >> > want to use 16outs, select just the DAE/TDM drivers and NOT the coreaudio >> driver. > Your >> > DTDM tracks will feed the into ESB busses which give you the first eight >> outs on the > DTDM >> > side of things. DAE tracks can utilize the other eight outs. >> > >> > good luck grasshoppa > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "mark" <mail@n...> wrote: > Thanx so much for the help sonecabravo . . . . > > Your suggestion was helpful in getting the Logic software instruments to playback thru > TDM. > > But . . . I have yet to get my second 888/24 to work in OSX (10.3.9) . . . even in Pro Tools! > well, if you're having problems with even protools, I would say you should trash your digi prefs and get your interfaces set up and working properly through protools. You will have no problem setting up 2 interfaces here. Just so you understand the relationship (sorry if I sound like a kindergarten teacher), coreaudio is only used when 3rd party apps want to use digi hardware and don't have a direct DAE/TDM driver e.g ableton live, reason, finder, etc The reason for your original conflict "digi hardware is already in use" came from the coreaudio drivers in logic trying to access digi hardware at the same time as the DAE/TDM drivers in logic trying to access the hardware. Protools doesn't use the coreaudio system to talk to digi hardware, it has a direct driver link that bypasses coreaudio all together. Logic gives you the option of either/or. If you access digi hardware from logic using coreaudio, you are going to be restricted to the 8 outs (essentially you are just using the digi i/o as a breakout box). If you access the digi hardware from within logic using the DAE/TDM drivers, you are hitting it directly and bypassing coreaudio thus allowing you full access to all of the digi hardware (pci cards, 888, and digi routing prefs. So, without making things too complicated, get your 2 interfaces running in protools (start over by trashing your digi prefs and going through the i/o setup process again). Once you've done this, stay away from the coreaudio driver in logic, just use the DAE/TDM drivers and you should be able to route any DAE track in a logic session to any of the 16 outputs. Remember that your DTDM tracks must be routed through ESB busses and you are limited to 8. this is why I usually use the first 8 outputs for ESB and route other misc DAE tracks throught the remaining 8 outs. You can access your digi hardware setup menu from within logic by opening Audio-Audio window-options- digidesign. Good luck!

Hi All, has anyone else had the TDM DSP Usage Greyed out under 10.4.2/Logic 7.1? TDM Setup Indicator is selected under Audio Drivers. What is going on? JR

Yes, old bug in the Logic-Tiger combo. Maybe Apple will fix it with the next update, which will arrive any year now. /alar --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, James Richmond <richmondjames@m...> wrote: > Hi All, > > has anyone else had the TDM DSP Usage Greyed out under 10.4.2/Logic 7.1? > > TDM Setup Indicator is selected under Audio Drivers. > What is going on? > > JR

Hi James How did the reinstall go? Did you go tiger? let me know pd my rig : G5 dual 2.5 - 3.5gig memory 10.3.9 HD2XL 192 & 96i 2x250g internal (using 1 for audio) 2x250gig Lacie firewire (libraries) 2x200gig seagate firewire libraries TDM plugs Sony oxford ampfarm amplitibe autotune Anthology bombfactory "essentials" bombfactory BF2a, 3a,76 Dverb Dfx echofarm focusright d2/d3 Joemeek eq/comp phoenix purple mc77 soundreplacer tel-ray voce AU plugs NI Komplete amplitube blackwater verb camelspace cheezemachine chip32 DFH drummer, cocktail, percussion cowdelay crystal dahornet dfx - all freeverb frohmage ohmforce - all plugs kt granulator korg legacy psp fx pack minimoog/moog modular/cs80 stylus rmx supaphaser t-racks vinyl vst-ambience VST - AU wrapper 1.5

Hi all, I'm doing a Logic presets web page. I've got a web site with a fair bit of monthly bandwidth that can be used and I am happy to host. I want to get submissions from people of any Logic native/TDM channel strips, plugin presets and the like. Anyone willing to contribute? James

got my codes too!!!! ciao marco On 30/set/05, at 00:02, Erik Häusler wrote: > Innit! > > /Erik > > 2005-09-29 kl. 23.44 skrev James Richmond: > > >> I just got my EPIC bundle code. >> Wicked! >> >> JR >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >