Hi all, It's been a while since I've lurked or posted here! I'm approaching a crossroads (technologically speaking) and I was hoping to get some insight from you guys. I'm sure this question has been bandied about here ad nauseum already, but here goes: I've been running a Logic/TDM Mix++ system on a G4 dual 533 for the last few years; it's been nice and stable for the most part, so I have not yet made the leap to OSX. However, I'm starting to feel like a dinosaur, running all this legacy stuff that's not supported anymore! Mainly, I can't upgrade many of my favourite plugins because they're now OSX only. So I'm looking at getting a nice fast dual G5. And honestly, I would like to be able to drop the ProTools entirely and run a nice streamlined native system. (gasp!) My reasons? The expense of upgrading to HD, having to deal with all the third-party compatibility issues, blah blah blah. So my question is, are the fastest G5s up to the task? I'll give you a brief rundown of the kind of work I do: I rarely record more than a handfull of tracks at a time; my studio is too small to track a full band, but I do track drums on occasion. Mostly solo intruments/voices. Depending on the type of music, my mixes tend to run close to 64 tracks, plus 7 or 8 softsynths, plus Reason loaded up in the background. I often max out my TDM cards (Waves and Bomb Factory stuff mostly), and occasionally hit the ceiling on CPU usage as well, running Absynth, B4, EVP88, etc. My plan is to keep my current rig up and running, set up a native system and start putting it through its paces, to see how far I can push it. I just wanted to get a sense from you guys whether you think it's even a feasible thing to try and do! I've been spoiled by TDM as far as latency goes; is that still the big issue with new native systems? Plugins-wise, the only ones I'll really miss are the Bomb Factory ones; I know you can get the 1176 and LA-2A from UAD, but is there a good replacement for the Mooger-Fooger or Tel-Ray? Thanks in advance for any thoughts or opinions you can offer!

Great idea to keep the old rig. I find the Logic, OSX, HD combination to be semi-pro. The stability in OS9 has not yet been achieved in OSX/HD. Trying the native thing first is a great idea. On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:52 AM, Rob DeBoer wrote: > Hi all, > > It's been a while since I've lurked or posted here! I'm approaching a > crossroads (technologically speaking) and I was hoping to get some > insight from you guys. I'm sure this question has been bandied about > here ad nauseum already, but here goes:

Can somebody help me by confirming that these software/driver versions are going to be compatible? OSX - Tiger 10.42 Pro-Tools - 6.92 Logic - 7.1 I'm running a mirror front G4 with HD2. Currently on 10.3x and having issues with TDM on Logic 6.4. I figured rather than a reinstall of what i have i could take advantange of the new logic features, looks like i also need to move up to 6.9x on pro-tools for this to work. i'm sure you have covered this already! sorry - i'm new here. just want to make sure its gonna be ok before i spend £100 on the pro-tools update and more on logic. thanks for your time. Amory.

well, i wouldnt record anything timing crucial on native if u only can monitor post computer so to speak... but if u have the means to monitor at source then there is no problem recording alot of tracks at the same time. For me and many others the systems are running smooth and very pro indeed. Of course there are issues, especially with third party plugs but that was/is the case on os9 too. best and good luck. Markus -----Original Message----- From: Jan Stevens <janstevensmusic@...> Subj: Re: [L-TDM] PT vs. Native Date: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:14 am Size: 952 bytes To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com Great idea to keep the old rig. I find the Logic, OSX, HD combination to be semi-pro. The stability in OS9 has not yet been achieved in OSX/HD. Trying the native thing first is a great idea. On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:52 AM, Rob DeBoer wrote: > Hi all, > > It's been a while since I've lurked or posted here! I'm approaching a > crossroads (technologically speaking) and I was hoping to get some > insight from you guys. I'm sure this question has been bandied about > here ad nauseum already, but here goes: Yahoo! Groups Links

works for me. I'm running a 2*2 g5 though m -----Original Message----- From: "amory_leader" <amory_leader@...> Subj: [L-TDM] OSX, TDM, LOGIC compatibility issues Date: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:18 am Size: 1K To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com Can somebody help me by confirming that these software/driver versions are going to be compatible? OSX - Tiger 10.42 Pro-Tools - 6.92 Logic - 7.1 I'm running a mirror front G4 with HD2. Currently on 10.3x and having issues with TDM on Logic 6.4. I figured rather than a reinstall of what i have i could take advantange of the new logic features, looks like i also need to move up to 6.9x on pro-tools for this to work. i'm sure you have covered this already! sorry - i'm new here. just want to make sure its gonna be ok before i spend £100 on the pro-tools update and more on logic. thanks for your time. Amory. Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi Rob, Long time - hope you're well. Lot's of people use and love the G5/HD combo. There is one other consideration, however, that might get you some more milage. I' running a mix plus system on a DP G4 1.25, with OSX and loving it. It seems as stable as OS9, and there's enough speed for my needs, which are more than the track load you refer to. I kept OS9 on an external drive, and can boot into 9 whenever I want to use a plug in from that era. Now I'm open to all the great things that come from being on OSX, and that means I can pick and choose. I can also turn any OSX instruments into audio and bring them into OS 9 if I want to On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:52 AM, Rob DeBoer wrote: > Hi all, > > It's been a while since I've lurked or posted here! I'm approaching a > crossroads (technologically speaking) and I was hoping to get some > insight from you guys. I'm sure this question has been bandied about > here ad nauseum already, but here goes: > > I've been running a Logic/TDM Mix++ system on a G4 dual 533 for the > last few years; it's been nice and stable for the most part, so I have > not yet made the leap to OSX. However, I'm starting to feel like a > dinosaur, running all this legacy stuff that's not supported anymore! > Mainly, I can't upgrade many of my favourite plugins because they're > now OSX only. > > So I'm looking at getting a nice fast dual G5. And honestly, I would > like to be able to drop the ProTools entirely and run a nice > streamlined native system. (gasp!) My reasons? The expense of > upgrading to HD, having to deal with all the third-party compatibility > issues, blah blah blah. > > So my question is, are the fastest G5s up to the task? I'll give you a > brief rundown of the kind of work I do: I rarely record more than a > handfull of tracks at a time; my studio is too small to track a full > band, but I do track drums on occasion. Mostly solo intruments/voices. > Depending on the type of music, my mixes tend to run close to 64 > tracks, plus 7 or 8 softsynths, plus Reason loaded up in the > background. I often max out my TDM cards (Waves and Bomb Factory stuff > mostly), and occasionally hit the ceiling on CPU usage as well, > running Absynth, B4, EVP88, etc. > > My plan is to keep my current rig up and running, set up a native > system and start putting it through its paces, to see how far I can > push it. I just wanted to get a sense from you guys whether you think > it's even a feasible thing to try and do! I've been spoiled by TDM as > far as latency goes; is that still the big issue with new native > systems? Plugins-wise, the only ones I'll really miss are the Bomb > Factory ones; I know you can get the 1176 and LA-2A from UAD, but is > there a good replacement for the Mooger-Fooger or Tel-Ray? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts or opinions you can offer! > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "amory_leader" <amory_leader@h...> wrote: > Can somebody help me by confirming that these software/driver versions are going to be > compatible? > > OSX - Tiger 10.42 > > Pro-Tools - 6.92 > > Logic - 7.1 All of the above are working fine here (as of 5 days ago). Using HD3Accel with G5 2.5. Be sure to download & install the Apple Pro Application for Tiger prior to launching Logic. Good Luck Mark

I have been using LP7.1 for a month now. its very good, in fact it sound better than ProTools. Now i switch back to Logic for mixing. But i can't use Logic for tracking, everytime I arm 4 to 6 tracks for recording, it will crash... but single track recording is fine. any idea?? still using G4 1.25 mirror door. with HD accel 4. with 86 i/o. but i test it with my home HD system, i also crash too. --- Greg Critchley <greg@...> »¡¡G > Hi Rob, > > Long time - hope you're well. > > Lot's of people use and love the G5/HD combo. There is one other > consideration, however, that might get you some more milage. > > I' running a mix plus system on a DP G4 1.25, with OSX and loving it. > It seems as stable as OS9, and there's enough speed for my needs, which > are more than the track load you refer to. > > I kept OS9 on an external drive, and can boot into 9 whenever I want to > use a plug in from that era. Now I'm open to all the great things that > come from being on OSX, and that means I can pick and choose. I can > also turn any OSX instruments into audio and bring them into OS 9 if I > want to > > > On Jul 28, 2005, at 10:52 AM, Rob DeBoer wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > It's been a while since I've lurked or posted here! I'm approaching a > > crossroads (technologically speaking) and I was hoping to get some > > insight from you guys. I'm sure this question has been bandied about > > here ad nauseum already, but here goes: > > > > I've been running a Logic/TDM Mix++ system on a G4 dual 533 for the > > last few years; it's been nice and stable for the most part, so I have > > not yet made the leap to OSX. However, I'm starting to feel like a > > dinosaur, running all this legacy stuff that's not supported anymore! > > Mainly, I can't upgrade many of my favourite plugins because they're > > now OSX only. > > > > So I'm looking at getting a nice fast dual G5. And honestly, I would > > like to be able to drop the ProTools entirely and run a nice > > streamlined native system. (gasp!) My reasons? The expense of > > upgrading to HD, having to deal with all the third-party compatibility > > issues, blah blah blah. > > > > So my question is, are the fastest G5s up to the task? I'll give you a > > brief rundown of the kind of work I do: I rarely record more than a > > handfull of tracks at a time; my studio is too small to track a full > > band, but I do track drums on occasion. Mostly solo intruments/voices. > > Depending on the type of music, my mixes tend to run close to 64 > > tracks, plus 7 or 8 softsynths, plus Reason loaded up in the > > background. I often max out my TDM cards (Waves and Bomb Factory stuff > > mostly), and occasionally hit the ceiling on CPU usage as well, > > running Absynth, B4, EVP88, etc. > > > > My plan is to keep my current rig up and running, set up a native > > system and start putting it through its paces, to see how far I can > > push it. I just wanted to get a sense from you guys whether you think > > it's even a feasible thing to try and do! I've been spoiled by TDM as > > far as latency goes; is that still the big issue with new native > > systems? Plugins-wise, the only ones I'll really miss are the Bomb > > Factory ones; I know you can get the 1176 and LA-2A from UAD, but is > > there a good replacement for the Mooger-Fooger or Tel-Ray? > > > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts or opinions you can offer! > > > > > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- Thanks and regards, Bobo Mark Producer Contact: bobo@... For and On behalf of Music 2000 **************************************************************************** May Music Move Your Heart

Thanks mark and markus. I've ordered the updates and i'll let you know how it goes! Really appreciate the help. Amory. --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "ativity2003" <me@l...> wrote: > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "amory_leader" <amory_leader@h...> > wrote: > > Can somebody help me by confirming that these software/driver > versions are going to be > > compatible? > > > > OSX - Tiger 10.42 > > > > Pro-Tools - 6.92 > > > > Logic - 7.1 > > > All of the above are working fine here (as of 5 days ago). > Using HD3Accel with G5 2.5. Be sure to download & install the Apple > Pro Application for Tiger prior to launching Logic. > > Good Luck > > Mark

Hi Bottom line is.... If you go native, buy a good tracking/mixing console. You won't be able to achieve a low enough latency to monitor through Logic. That's why people still choose Digi hardware. On the otherhand, I don't think either system is decidedly "semi-pro" as others have suggested- certain combinations work more effectively than others. My money's still on HD!! Don't think you can spend a couple grand on a good converter and audio card system. Even the ones with DSP are going to run $4-6k for a real system (although the MOTU stuff might boast that). If you're paying less than a grand for 8 ch I/O, you'll hear the difference. Unfortunately, you get what you pay for. Logic 7.1 and HD hardware is working pretty well for me right now. It's unrealistic to think a single dual cpu g5 can do it all....you either spend the extra money on outboard gear and console or an HD system. FWIW Regards Scott On 7/28/05 12:52 PM, "Rob DeBoer" <rob@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > It's been a while since I've lurked or posted here! I'm approaching a > crossroads (technologically speaking) and I was hoping to get some > insight from you guys. I'm sure this question has been bandied about > here ad nauseum already, but here goes: > > I've been running a Logic/TDM Mix++ system on a G4 dual 533 for the > last few years; it's been nice and stable for the most part, so I have > not yet made the leap to OSX. However, I'm starting to feel like a > dinosaur, running all this legacy stuff that's not supported anymore! > Mainly, I can't upgrade many of my favourite plugins because they're > now OSX only. > > So I'm looking at getting a nice fast dual G5. And honestly, I would > like to be able to drop the ProTools entirely and run a nice > streamlined native system. (gasp!) My reasons? The expense of > upgrading to HD, having to deal with all the third-party compatibility > issues, blah blah blah. > > So my question is, are the fastest G5s up to the task? I'll give you a > brief rundown of the kind of work I do: I rarely record more than a > handfull of tracks at a time; my studio is too small to track a full > band, but I do track drums on occasion. Mostly solo intruments/voices. > Depending on the type of music, my mixes tend to run close to 64 > tracks, plus 7 or 8 softsynths, plus Reason loaded up in the > background. I often max out my TDM cards (Waves and Bomb Factory stuff > mostly), and occasionally hit the ceiling on CPU usage as well, > running Absynth, B4, EVP88, etc. > > My plan is to keep my current rig up and running, set up a native > system and start putting it through its paces, to see how far I can > push it. I just wanted to get a sense from you guys whether you think > it's even a feasible thing to try and do! I've been spoiled by TDM as > far as latency goes; is that still the big issue with new native > systems? Plugins-wise, the only ones I'll really miss are the Bomb > Factory ones; I know you can get the 1176 and LA-2A from UAD, but is > there a good replacement for the Mooger-Fooger or Tel-Ray? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts or opinions you can offer! > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hello : This is my first post here and maybe somebody will jump to my neck for this (I hope not :-) ), but IMHO if you´re only doing few tracks at the time and tracking drums sometimes maybe native is not a bad idea. Here we have 3 PT mix+ , and my Athlon 1500 loads far more Waves VST pluggins (eg. 14 Rchannels and 20 exs and Vsti and still snappy)within Logic than a PT mix plus on a G4 400 is capable. I think that if an AMD 1500 can do that much then a G5 DP has to fly.... For monitoring I use a mixer or RME Hammerfall´s software mixer that gives me zero latency but that´s WITHOUT FX processing... If I want to put an Fx I have to go thru the computer and deal with latency. said that I have to point that I can work at 1.5ms and that¨s very close to PT. Some pluggins add more latency than others so it´s something you have to consider. I had recorded alot of records in Logic native and I don´t feel the BIG difference with PT if you use good converters. Said that we´re upgrading to HD and I can´t wait to test L7 on PTHD I´m sure it´s great, just it cost a lot of money and will loose value fast. Maybe it´s possible to keep your PT on the new Mac and use both native and PT. kind regards --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Rob DeBoer" <rob@b...> wrote: > Hi all, > > It's been a while since I've lurked or posted here! I'm approaching a > crossroads (technologically speaking) and I was hoping to get some > insight from you guys. I'm sure this question has been bandied about > here ad nauseum already, but here goes: > > I've been running a Logic/TDM Mix++ system on a G4 dual 533 for the > last few years; it's been nice and stable for the most part, so I have > not yet made the leap to OSX. However, I'm starting to feel like a > dinosaur, running all this legacy stuff that's not supported anymore! > Mainly, I can't upgrade many of my favourite plugins because they're > now OSX only. > > So I'm looking at getting a nice fast dual G5. And honestly, I would > like to be able to drop the ProTools entirely and run a nice > streamlined native system. (gasp!) My reasons? The expense of > upgrading to HD, having to deal with all the third-party compatibility > issues, blah blah blah. > > So my question is, are the fastest G5s up to the task? I'll give you a > brief rundown of the kind of work I do: I rarely record more than a > handfull of tracks at a time; my studio is too small to track a full > band, but I do track drums on occasion. Mostly solo intruments/voices. > Depending on the type of music, my mixes tend to run close to 64 > tracks, plus 7 or 8 softsynths, plus Reason loaded up in the > background. I often max out my TDM cards (Waves and Bomb Factory stuff > mostly), and occasionally hit the ceiling on CPU usage as well, > running Absynth, B4, EVP88, etc. > > My plan is to keep my current rig up and running, set up a native > system and start putting it through its paces, to see how far I can > push it. I just wanted to get a sense from you guys whether you think > it's even a feasible thing to try and do! I've been spoiled by TDM as > far as latency goes; is that still the big issue with new native > systems? Plugins-wise, the only ones I'll really miss are the Bomb > Factory ones; I know you can get the 1176 and LA-2A from UAD, but is > there a good replacement for the Mooger-Fooger or Tel-Ray? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts or opinions you can offer!

Hi Which RME system are you running? Regards Scott On 7/29/05 12:09 PM, "gpiccolini" <venus_music@...> wrote: > Hello : > This is my first post here and maybe somebody will jump to my neck > for this (I hope not :-) ), but IMHO if you´re only doing few tracks > at the time and tracking drums sometimes maybe native is not a bad > idea. Here we have 3 PT mix+ , and my Athlon 1500 loads far more > Waves VST pluggins (eg. 14 Rchannels and 20 exs and Vsti and still > snappy)within Logic than a PT mix plus on a G4 400 is capable. I > think that if an AMD 1500 can do that much then a G5 DP has to > fly.... For monitoring I use a mixer or RME Hammerfall´s software > mixer that gives me zero latency but that´s WITHOUT FX processing... > If I want to put an Fx I have to go thru the computer and deal with > latency. said that I have to point that I can work at 1.5ms and > that¨s very close to PT. Some pluggins add more latency than others > so it´s something you have to consider. > I had recorded alot of records in Logic native and I don´t feel the > BIG difference with PT if you use good converters. Said that we´re > upgrading to HD and I can´t wait to test L7 on PTHD I´m sure it´s > great, just it cost a lot of money and will loose value fast. Maybe > it´s possible to keep your PT on the new Mac and use both native and > PT. > > kind regards > > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Rob DeBoer" <rob@b...> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> It's been a while since I've lurked or posted here! I'm approaching > a >> crossroads (technologically speaking) and I was hoping to get some >> insight from you guys. I'm sure this question has been bandied about >> here ad nauseum already, but here goes: >> >> I've been running a Logic/TDM Mix++ system on a G4 dual 533 for the >> last few years; it's been nice and stable for the most part, so I > have >> not yet made the leap to OSX. However, I'm starting to feel like a >> dinosaur, running all this legacy stuff that's not supported > anymore! >> Mainly, I can't upgrade many of my favourite plugins because they're >> now OSX only. >> >> So I'm looking at getting a nice fast dual G5. And honestly, I would >> like to be able to drop the ProTools entirely and run a nice >> streamlined native system. (gasp!) My reasons? The expense of >> upgrading to HD, having to deal with all the third-party > compatibility >> issues, blah blah blah. >> >> So my question is, are the fastest G5s up to the task? I'll give > you a >> brief rundown of the kind of work I do: I rarely record more than a >> handfull of tracks at a time; my studio is too small to track a full >> band, but I do track drums on occasion. Mostly solo > intruments/voices. >> Depending on the type of music, my mixes tend to run close to 64 >> tracks, plus 7 or 8 softsynths, plus Reason loaded up in the >> background. I often max out my TDM cards (Waves and Bomb Factory > stuff >> mostly), and occasionally hit the ceiling on CPU usage as well, >> running Absynth, B4, EVP88, etc. >> >> My plan is to keep my current rig up and running, set up a native >> system and start putting it through its paces, to see how far I can >> push it. I just wanted to get a sense from you guys whether you > think >> it's even a feasible thing to try and do! I've been spoiled by TDM > as >> far as latency goes; is that still the big issue with new native >> systems? Plugins-wise, the only ones I'll really miss are the Bomb >> Factory ones; I know you can get the 1176 and LA-2A from UAD, but is >> there a good replacement for the Mooger-Fooger or Tel-Ray? >> >> Thanks in advance for any thoughts or opinions you can offer! > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from friends that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either. Or straight ProTools users. In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet stuff on his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safari and gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we see from time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And my wife gets occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on Logic/ TDM? Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable for live recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't there! What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable option. - Mike Greene

On Jul 29, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Mike Greene wrote: > I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I' > ll hear from friends that the grass isn't all that green, > crashwise, for native users either. Or straight ProTools users. > Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so > doggone powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is > no other acceptable option. Glad to hear you say those things. I'm not selling my HD rig just yet. I'm just annoyed at the "For no apparent reasons at all crashes". I find that I get most of my crashes when I'm recording audio which is really disappointing considering the price and hype attached to Logic and Apple. Oh well....I hope that these annoyances will be fixed soon.

Does anyone can record more 4 tracks at once on HD system?? Our system always crash... --- Mike Greene <fresh38@...> »¡¡G > I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from friends > that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either. Or > straight ProTools users. > > In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet stuff on > his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safari and > gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we see from > time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And my wife gets > occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat > stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on Logic/ > TDM? > > Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable for live > recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. > > And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my > sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many > cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't there! > What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! > > Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone > powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable > option. > > - Mike Greene > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- Thanks and regards, Bobo Mark Producer Contact: bobo@... For and On behalf of Music 2000 **************************************************************************** May Music Move Your Heart

Hi all, Does anyone know what these crashes could mean? I work with Logic 6.4.3/6.4.1 in OS 9 and it seems to me that the logic setting about automatic backups causes crashes (Try-to-save-song-error or blinking finder menu bar with logic freeze!). When I have the backup setting to 0, the app is more stable than before. I have rebuild desktop and used disk first aid to see if the harddrives could cause the crash while saving the backups of a song. But they seem to be ok. Has anyone an idea how I can use automatic backups in logic without any crashes. Best wishes, Matthias. Dual 1.25 Logic 6.4.3 or 6.4.1 Protools Mix DAE 5.1.3 OS 9.2.2

Are you kiddin'? :-o Kind of the whole purpose with an expensive TDM rig i'nt it? I feel your pain! Yes I can definitely record more than 4 tracks simultaneously! I haven't done any hard-tests but the other day I had at least 12 going. What OS are you on? Could this be a Tiger issue? If so, that's some serious news. I've been a little tempted to join the Tiger hoard lately but I'm very neurotic about it. Can someone chip in and report if you guys have troubles with this under Tiger? Cheers, Erik 2x2G5,192I/O,PTHD3acc,10.3.8,PT6.9cs1,LP7.1 > Does anyone can record more 4 tracks at once on HD system?? Our system > always crash... > > > --- Mike Greene <fresh38@...> »¡¡G > >> I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from >> friends >> that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either.Or >> straight ProTools users. >> >> In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet stuff >> on >> his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safariand >> gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we see from >> time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And my wife >> gets >> occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat >> stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on Logic/ >> TDM? >> >> Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable for live >> recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. >> >> And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my >> sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many >> cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't >> there! >> What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! >> >> Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone >> powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable >> option. >> >> - Mike Greene >> >> >> >> >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

I'm using 10.3.8 PT 6.9 NO cs version G4 1.25 Mirror door w 1.7gig ram. HD accel 4 with 86 i/o. LP 7.1 will crash even when we arm the tracks for record mode. So now I'm force to mixing in Logic n tracking in PT. I love to do everything in Logic... --- Erik Sojdelius <eriksojdelius@...> »¡¡G > Are you kiddin'? :-o Kind of the whole purpose with an expensive TDM rig > i'nt it? I feel your pain! > > Yes I can definitely record more than 4 tracks simultaneously! I haven't > done any hard-tests but the other day I had at least 12 going. > > What OS are you on? Could this be a Tiger issue? If so, that's some serious > news. I've been a little tempted to join the Tiger hoard lately but I'm very > neurotic about it. Can someone chip in and report if you guys have troubles > with this under Tiger? > > Cheers, > > Erik > > 2x2G5,192I/O,PTHD3acc,10.3.8,PT6.9cs1,LP7.1 > > > Does anyone can record more 4 tracks at once on HD system?? Our system > > always crash... > > > > > > --- Mike Greene <fresh38@...> »¡¡G > > > >> I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from > >> friends > >> that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either. Or > >> straight ProTools users. > >> > >> In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet stuff > >> on > >> his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safari and > >> gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we see from > >> time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And my wife > >> gets > >> occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat > >> stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on Logic/ > >> TDM? > >> > >> Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable for live > >> recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. > >> > >> And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my > >> sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many > >> cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't > >> there! > >> What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! > >> > >> Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone > >> powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable > >> option. > >> > >> - Mike Greene > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- Thanks and regards, Bobo Mark Producer Contact: bobo@... For and On behalf of Music 2000 **************************************************************************** May Music Move Your Heart

i record 16ch punch in out no problem. Will get another interface monday and i'll try 24 then. Markus -----Original Message----- From: Bobo Mark <bobomarklogic@...> Subj: ¼ÐÃD¡G [L-TDM] Re: PT vs. Native Date: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:52 am Size: 2K To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com Does anyone can record more 4 tracks at once on HD system?? Our system always crash... --- Mike Greene <fresh38@...> »¡¡G > I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from friends > that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either. Or > straight ProTools users. > > In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet stuff on > his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safari and > gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we see from > time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And my wife gets > occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat > stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on Logic/ > TDM? > > Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable for live > recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. > > And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my > sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many > cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't there! > What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! > > Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone > powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable > option. > > - Mike Greene > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- Thanks and regards, Bobo Mark Producer Contact: bobo@... For and On behalf of Music 2000 **************************************************************************** May Music Move Your Heart Yahoo! Groups Links

I don't think its interface probelm... when I said 86 i/o, we have 86 different i/o interface with efx and 40 D/A for OTB. --- markus.enochson@... »¡¡G > > i record 16ch punch in out no problem. Will get another interface monday and i'll try 24 then. > > > Markus > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bobo Mark <bobomarklogic@...> > Subj: ¼ÐÃD¡G [L-TDM] Re: PT vs. Native > Date: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:52 am > Size: 2K > To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com > > Does anyone can record more 4 tracks at once on HD system?? Our system always crash... > > > --- Mike Greene <fresh38@...> »¡¡G > > > I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from friends > > that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either. Or > > straight ProTools users. > > > > In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet stuff on > > his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safari and > > gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we see from > > time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And my wife gets > > occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat > > stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on Logic/ > > TDM? > > > > Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable for live > > recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. > > > > And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my > > sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many > > cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't there! > > What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! > > > > Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone > > powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable > > option. > > > > - Mike Greene > > > > > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Thanks and regards, > > Bobo Mark > Producer > Contact: bobo@... > For and On behalf of Music 2000 > > **************************************************************************** > May Music Move Your Heart > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Thanks and regards, Bobo Mark Producer Contact: bobo@... For and On behalf of Music 2000 **************************************************************************** May Music Move Your Heart

Ok, thanks Bobo. Well this sounds like some issue with your system....hm...thinking.. First, check your record path. Where are your tracks directed? A friend of mine have issues using multiple drives in the same song(never tried myself). Do you go to a external FW drive? A separate internal SATA? You can reset the record path so that when you press the record "arm" buttons Logic will ask you where you wanna record. Secondly, Do you have read/write permission on the drive/volume you're recording to? Personally, I avoid Firewire when recording. I use it only for BU/Archives. I always go to a separate internal SATA drive. I assume you go through some kind of maintenance/troubleshooting routine with your system regularly? My routine is the old "repair permissions", running cocktail for cleaning cashes and running the cron scripts, zapping the pram, using the AU manager dropping it to "none" in the set - menu. This combined usually gets me up and running within 30 min, whenever I have problems. ATB, Erik > I'm using > > 10.3.8 PT 6.9 NO cs version > G4 1.25 Mirror door w 1.7gig ram. > HD accel 4 with 86 i/o. > > LP 7.1 will crash even when we arm the tracks for record mode. So nowI'm > force to mixing in > Logic n tracking in PT. I love to do everything in Logic... > > --- Erik Sojdelius <eriksojdelius@...> »¡¡G > >> Are you kiddin'? :-o Kind of the whole purpose with an expensive TDM rig >> i'nt it? I feel your pain! >> >> Yes I can definitely record more than 4 tracks simultaneously! I haven't >> done any hard-tests but the other day I had at least 12 going. >> >> What OS are you on? Could this be a Tiger issue? If so, that's some serious >> news. I've been a little tempted to join the Tiger hoard lately but I'm very >> neurotic about it. Can someone chip in and report if you guys have troubles >> with this under Tiger? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Erik >> >> 2x2G5,192I/O,PTHD3acc,10.3.8,PT6.9cs1,LP7.1 >> >>> Does anyone can record more 4 tracks at once on HD system?? Our system >>> always crash... >>> >>> >>> --- Mike Greene <fresh38@...> »¡¡G >>> >>>> I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from >>>> friends >>>> that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either. >>>> Or >>>> straight ProTools users. >>>> >>>> In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet >>>> stuff >>>> on >>>> his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safari >>>> and >>>> gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we seefrom >>>> time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And my >>>> wife >>>> gets >>>> occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat >>>> stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on >>>> Logic/ >>>> TDM? >>>> >>>> Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable for >>>> live >>>> recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. >>>> >>>> And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my >>>> sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many >>>> cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't >>>> there! >>>> What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! >>>> >>>> Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone >>>> powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable >>>> option. >>>> >>>> - Mike Greene >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@...om >>>> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Bobo, I don't quite understand..Are you saying that you have multiple interfaces giving you a total of 86 ins & outs? Also, what is OTB? /Erik > I don't think its interface probelm... when I said 86 i/o, we have 86 > different i/o interface with > efx and 40 D/A for OTB. > > > --- markus.enochson@... »¡¡G > >> >> i record 16ch punch in out no problem. Will get another interface mondayand >> i'll try 24 then. >> >> >> Markus >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Bobo Mark <bobomarklogic@...> >> Subj: ¼ÐÃD¡G [L-TDM] Re: PT vs. Native >> Date: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:52 am >> Size: 2K >> To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com >> >> Does anyone can record more 4 tracks at once on HD system?? Our system >> always crash... >> >> >> --- Mike Greene <fresh38@...> »¡¡G >> >>> I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from >>> friends >>> that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either. >>> Or >>> straight ProTools users. >>> >>> In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet stuff >>> on >>> his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safari and >>> gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we see from >>> time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And mywife >>> gets >>> occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat >>> stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on >>> Logic/ >>> TDM? >>> >>> Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable forlive >>> recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. >>> >>> And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my >>> sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many >>> cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't >>> there! >>> What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! >>> >>> Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone >>> powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable >>> option. >>> >>> - Mike Greene >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@...m >>> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks and regards, >> >> Bobo Mark >> Producer >> Contact: bobo@... >> For and On behalf of Music 2000 >> >> **************************************************************************** >> May Music Move Your Heart >> >> >> >> >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

just to clarify i record 16 ch in logic 7, tiger os. With pt hd accel m -----Original Message----- From: Bobo Mark <bobomarklogic@...> Subj: ¼ÐÃD¡G Re: ¼ÐÃD¡G [L-TDM] Re: PT vs. Native Date: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:59 am Size: 2K To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com I don't think its interface probelm... when I said 86 i/o, we have 86 different i/o interface with efx and 40 D/A for OTB. --- markus.enochson@... »¡¡G > > i record 16ch punch in out no problem. Will get another interface monday and i'll try 24 then. > > > Markus > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bobo Mark <bobomarklogic@...> > Subj: ¼ÐÃD¡G [L-TDM] Re: PT vs. Native > Date: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:52 am > Size: 2K > To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com > > Does anyone can record more 4 tracks at once on HD system?? Our system always crash... > > > --- Mike Greene <fresh38@...> »¡¡G > > > I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from friends > > that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either. Or > > straight ProTools users. > > > > In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet stuff on > > his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safari and > > gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we see from > > time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And my wife gets > > occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat > > stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on Logic/ > > TDM? > > > > Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable for live > > recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. > > > > And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my > > sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many > > cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't there! > > What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! > > > > Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone > > powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable > > option. > > > > - Mike Greene > > > > > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Thanks and regards, > > Bobo Mark > Producer > Contact: bobo@... > For and On behalf of Music 2000 > > **************************************************************************** > May Music Move Your Heart > > > > --- message truncated ---

hi erik: yes, we have 2x192, 1 Prism Dream ADA 8, 1 DA-16X, plus 2x192 digital. actually I'm not sure the total i/o. We used 40 DA to sumo for outboad summing mix down to 24/96 format. The system is very stable in ProTools. but just cant record more than 4 tracks.. very stupidly we need to track in PT and mix in Logic. --- Erik Sojdelius <eriksojdelius@...> »¡¡G > Bobo, I don't quite understand..Are you saying that you have multiple > interfaces giving you a total of 86 ins & outs? Also, what is OTB? > > /Erik > > > I don't think its interface probelm... when I said 86 i/o, we have 86 > > different i/o interface with > > efx and 40 D/A for OTB. > > > > > > --- markus.enochson@... »¡¡G > > > >> > >> i record 16ch punch in out no problem. Will get another interface monday and > >> i'll try 24 then. > >> > >> > >> Markus > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: Bobo Mark <bobomarklogic@...> > >> Subj: ¼ÐÃD¡G [L-TDM] Re: PT vs. Native > >> Date: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:52 am > >> Size: 2K > >> To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com > >> > >> Does anyone can record more 4 tracks at once on HD system?? Our system > >> always crash... > >> > >> > >> --- Mike Greene <fresh38@...> »¡¡G > >> > >>> I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from > >>> friends > >>> that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either. > >>> Or > >>> straight ProTools users. > >>> > >>> In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet stuff > >>> on > >>> his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safari and > >>> gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we see from > >>> time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And my wife > >>> gets > >>> occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat > >>> stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on > >>> Logic/ > >>> TDM? > >>> > >>> Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable for live > >>> recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. > >>> > >>> And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my > >>> sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many > >>> cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't > >>> there! > >>> What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! > >>> > >>> Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone > >>> powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable > >>> option. > >>> > >>> - Mike Greene > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >>> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks and regards, > >> > >> Bobo Mark > >> Producer > >> Contact: bobo@... > >> For and On behalf of Music 2000 > >> > >> **************************************************************************** > >> May Music Move Your Heart > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Thanks and regards, Bobo Mark Producer Contact: bobo@... For and On behalf of Music 2000 **************************************************************************** May Music Move Your Heart

Wait a minute... You ARE using DAE/DTDM right? You're not by any chance using CoreAudio in logic are you? If so, digis CoreAudio driver does not allow more than 8 tracks so if it's 4 stereo tracks you get, that might be it. The only way to use your digi hardware to the fullest is to use a DAE/DTDM configuration. Please disregard all of this if you're already familiar with it! Apologies if that is the case, Erik > I don't think its interface probelm... when I said 86 i/o, we have 86 > different i/o interface with > efx and 40 D/A for OTB. > > > --- markus.enochson@... »¡¡G > >> >> i record 16ch punch in out no problem. Will get another interface mondayand >> i'll try 24 then. >> >> >> Markus >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Bobo Mark <bobomarklogic@...> >> Subj: ¼ÐÃD¡G [L-TDM] Re: PT vs. Native >> Date: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:52 am >> Size: 2K >> To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com >> >> Does anyone can record more 4 tracks at once on HD system?? Our system >> always crash... >> >> >> --- Mike Greene <fresh38@...> »¡¡G >> >>> I also get tempted to ditch HD from time to time, but then I'll hear from >>> friends >>> that the grass isn't all that green, crashwise, for native users either. >>> Or >>> straight ProTools users. >>> >>> In fact, I was at a client's office as he was showing me some internet stuff >>> on >>> his basic everyday iMac (no music or video software.) He closes Safari and >>> gets the "Safari has unexpectedly quit" message, just like what we see from >>> time to time with Logic. He told me he gets it all the time! And mywife >>> gets >>> occasional crashes at home runninmg nothing but Word, Mail and internat >>> stuff. So I have to wonder how many of my crashes I wrongly blame on >>> Logic/ >>> TDM? >>> >>> Another factor is that I find the native latency still unacceptable forlive >>> recording, unless I jump through a lot of hoops with monitoring. >>> >>> And a couple years ago, I spent a few months using ProTools as my >>> sequencer so I could dump the problematic Logic. It was amazing how many >>> cool features Logic has that I didn't even think about until they weren't >>> there! >>> What a disaster trying to sequence complicated MIDI on PT! >>> >>> Logic/TDM really pisses me off sometimes, but together, it's so doggone >>> powerful that for my needs (others may vary,) there is no other acceptable >>> option. >>> >>> - Mike Greene >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@...m >>> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks and regards, >> >> Bobo Mark >> Producer >> Contact: bobo@... >> For and On behalf of Music 2000 >> >> **************************************************************************** >> May Music Move Your Heart >> >> >> >> >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >