Some of you may know the trouble I had when moving over to OSX with Logic. Something happened to my ESB connection and it just stopped working. I won't bore you with what trouble shooting I went through. I am a long time Logic user and tried every trick in the book. Nothing would get ESB back. On certain songs it would work for 10 minutes or so and then it would go again. Anyway I moved everything over to PTools and I have been there, happily, for almost 2 years. Seeing the troubles everyone with HD systems was having with Logic 7 and having only just forked out for Logic 6 I decided to bid the boys at Emagic a fond farewell and get some work done. Over those 2 years I've monitored this list everyday, reading about all the problems and work arounds. This strengthened my resolve to stay away from updating. Every now and then I had to pull an old song from my Logic days and get it across to PT to rework it. Whenever I did I tried the ESB thing again. Never worked for me. Until yesterday. I pulled up a track recorded in 2001 and everything was working just fine. ESB is back. Strangely this coincides with me updating to PT6.9 and having terrible problems with no CPU power. For some strange reason the combination of PTools 6.9 and Logic 6.4.3 works like a charm. Bob DeMaa would be interested to know that RMX works like a treat and so does Kontakt 2 and Battery 2 and Artist Drums AND DFHS. But check this....I had them all working in the same session INCLUDING Altiverb 5 !!!!!! My CPU useage was around 50%. If I tried this in ProTools the computer would have simply exploded..... So how is it that new plugs can work with old Logic software and new PT software? If you are having lots of trouble with 7 then may I suggest trying this combo. I couldn't make it crash! Now if only I had delay compensation on the TDM side....................... Phil Buckle. G4 DP867 HD Accel2 OSX 10.3.8 PT6.9 Logic 6.4.3 1.5 gig ram *********************************** http://philbuckle.com/ ***********************************

"peterlemer" <plemer@...> writes: > Can I get iTunes into my Digi card without CoreAudio Manager? Not via software. There are only two methods I've used which work: 1) Route the audio output of the Mac itself (or some CoreAudio soundcard) into the TDM interface. 2) Just use some kind of switcher that toggles between the TDM interface's output or the Mac's output. Digi's CoreAudio driver is embarrasingly bad. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

I got the delay msg from Apple a couple days ago and then got the delay letter but then today I get the email saying 7.1 is on its way. I'm in Fl and the update is sitting in UPS Hub in Memphis. Arrive May 4! Yippie..... Pete Church

I was using Logic and PT in OS9, and i was able to sync the programs together , using the audio tracks in PT, and running Logic in the background, send my EXS24 and other softsynths into an aux track in PT using Direct Connect to send over with ESB. Now I'm in OSX and cannot make this happen. I understand that in Logic 7 ESB is no longer a plug in but an output. Is this why PT will not recognize ESB as a plug in anymore? Is it possible to send logic native audio directly into PT anymore (not the hardware, but rather the software), or do I have to use a third party card to send my native stuff out and then back into PT via the hardware interface? I know some people are doing this. I routinely use Logic to add midi elements to existing PT sessions, and it was an excellent solution for me in OS9... any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Scott

>> Can I get iTunes into my Digi card without CoreAudio Manager? > > Not via software. There are only two methods I've used which work: > > 1) Route the audio output of the Mac itself (or some > CoreAudio soundcard) into the TDM interface. > > 2) Just use some kind of switcher that toggles between > the TDM interface's output or the Mac's output The problem is that my G5 1.6 has poor audio output - there's a background scratching noise associated with mouse movement - I checked this while under warranty and the consensus was that nobody really knew why this happened ( many people had it) - and Apple gave me the option of changing the motherboard or the power supply and no guarantee that I wouldn;t have new problems - so I swallowed it and moved on - I didn't want the downtime. Is there any way to use the digital/optical output? > > Digi's CoreAudio driver is embarrasingly bad. In a way that's good to know but in what way is it bad? peter

I use the griffin i Mic (USB) and its output shows up in the sound manager. It sounds fine for most uses. It has a mic input and a stereo out put here's a link: http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic/ On Apr 30, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Peter Lemer wrote: >>> Can I get iTunes into my Digi card without CoreAudio Manager? >> >> Not via software. There are only two methods I've used which work: >> >> 1) Route the audio output of the Mac itself (or some >> CoreAudio soundcard) into the TDM interface. >> >> 2) Just use some kind of switcher that toggles between >> the TDM interface's output or the Mac's output > > The problem is that my G5 1.6 has poor audio output - there's a > background scratching noise associated with mouse movement - I checked > this while under warranty and the consensus was that nobody really knew > why this happened ( many people had it) - and Apple gave me the option > of changing the motherboard or the power supply and no guarantee that I > wouldn;t have new problems - so I swallowed it and moved on - I didn't > want the downtime. > > Is there any way to use the digital/optical output? > >> >> Digi's CoreAudio driver is embarrasingly bad. > > In a way that's good to know but in what way is it bad? > > peter > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

> I use the griffin i Mic (USB) and its output shows up in the sound > manager. It sounds fine for most uses. It has a mic input and a stereo > out put > > here's a link: > > http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic/ > Thanks for the link. I have used something similar, the Xitel MD-PORT AN1 http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Games/Reviews/MDPort_AN1/print.html ...but the distortion seems to be pre-that stage - it still comes through peter

Stockholm.You? Send me anything and let´s have some fun. I´ll probably be coming to the UK soon, my sister just got twins in Windsor. /E _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB Ehrensvärdsgatan 6 112 35 Stockholm Tel. +46 8 650 20 81 Mob. +46 708 650 550 erik@... 2005-04-29 kl. 18.18 skrev Peter Lemer: > >> Music anyone? > > sure! where you based? > > peter

Hi list, I'm running two mix and two merle farms in a G4 733 Quicksilver with 1.5GB RAM and would like to connect both 19" flat screens to it. Do You have any experience with running a dual monitor card in this type of config without running into -9042's all the time? DVI out would be a nice feature as well. Thank You very much, Marcus

If you just want to sample from iTunes or an other app you can use Ambrosia WireTap. It captures the OS X internal audio as a file (AIF etc) that you can import in Logic afterwards. It's also possible to create an elaborate setup for live internal capture using SoundFlower, RAX and Wormhole together, ending up in Logic. You'll get some latency, though. I'll explain the setup more in detail if you want. m > From: "peterlemer" <plemer@...> > Subject: [L-TDM] Can I get iTunes into my Digi card without CoreAudio Manager? > Subject asks it all...

> If you just want to sample from iTunes or an other app you can use > Ambrosia > WireTap. It captures the OS X internal audio as a file (AIF etc) that > you > can import in Logic afterwards. > > It's also possible to create an elaborate setup for live internal > capture > using SoundFlower, RAX and Wormhole together, ending up in Logic. > You'll get > some latency, though. I'll explain the setup more in detail if you > want. > That all sounds very interesting and I definitely would like to know more about the setup. However, my needs are far more simple - I like to play audio back for all sorts of reasons - music while I do office work - listen to comedy on the BBC - audible alerts from Palm Desktop. Also listening to and teaching with native synths like ARP2600 and CS80 All of this worked fine via CoreAudio Manager through my Digi studio. None of it works 100% via system audio - ther's a constant background chattering that varies with mouse movements. So I need a way of getting clean audio that bypasses the system output amp stage (where I suspect the problem lies) peter

in answer to the topic, no. and to answer this off topic part of the thread: Audio Hijack seemed like a better alternative to Wire Tap for my money. Teddy On May 1, 2005, at 6:13 PM, martin wrote: > If you just want to sample from iTunes or an other app you can use > Ambrosia > WireTap. It captures the OS X internal audio as a file (AIF etc) that > you > can import in Logic afterwards.

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Not sure if any other users are expereiencing this but when subgrouping tracks to DAE bus objects, there can be issues where the sum of all the tracks thru the bus are not the same as summing to the main outs directly. Ex: 12 tracks of drums that are assigned to outs 1-2 play fine with no clipping. Assign those tracks to a DAE bus object and observe. Now what happens might not be anything at first , but observe the same bus object the next time you open the Logic session and all consecutive files that utilize bus objects. This can be vocals, synths, gtrs etc. I have had this happen to me on the last 3 projects where I will make some changes to the DAE bus objects in the subgroup and all of a sudden the whole mix opens up like it became 3 dimensional. I am talking like making a 1 or 2 db change in volume. I mainly use the DAE bus objects to monitor clipping of groups and to mix/bounce stems. I generally leave them at 0db and adjust volumes of the actual track. But this time I made a change to the DAE bus object and the whole mix opened up like it had a bad limiter setting on it. If I did not know how gain structures and summing work, I would say this was a user error. There is something very suspicious with the way the bus objects are being handled. Here is why: Those same drum tracks were being sent to the DAE bus object in which I need to make louder, I leave the bus @ 0db and move channel faders for the actual drum channels. I moved the fader values for all the tracks up by 5 db. I could see that none of the channels were clipping going into the bus, but the bus was pinned at -2db. Sure, the sum of the channels can make the bus peak but what is key here is the channel was pinned at -2 db Almost like there was a limiter on the insert or channel faders going into bus. There was no limiter, so i pullled the drum channels back down and adjusted the DAE bus object and like magic, the drums sounded like it became stereo and had some dynamics. The prior sessions before this something was going on becauses mixes in DP and ProTools sounded better and I was not sure why so I just used the automation for bouncing stems in Logic and mixed outside. The mixes are night and day, i do not mix any different in ProTools than I do in Logic. This is from someone who mixed in Logic cuz DP sounded like butt. Anyone else seeing these kinds of things when using busses in Logic7? Regards, Euro MixPlus(3) - G4 - L7 - ProTools Expansion - 888/24(2)

recorded a bit. Opened SeratoP&T. ENTERED values numerically, PREVIEWED, processed. FINALLY!

Yeah, isn't great!? Question though: Do you get the output of "preview" on the same track as when you playback in the audio editor? Is there a way to choose the output of "preview"? Be Good, Erik > recorded a bit. Opened SeratoP&T. ENTERED values numerically, > PREVIEWED, processed. FINALLY! > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

How the heck do I make them 24 bit instead of 32 bit? There used to be a window where I could do this in Logic 6, but I can't find it in 7.0.1. The manual says to go to Preferences>Audio, but I don't see any freeze options there. Is this a bug, and if so, anyone know if it's fixed in 7.1? - Mike Greene

It doesn't seem to playback on audio editor playback channel. Frankly, I can't tell where it's playing back, it just appears at my TDM main outs. No way to set that from what I can tell. I'm just happy it's working, and no crash yet either (5 hrs). Mark --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Erik Sojdelius <eriksojdelius@b...> wrote: > Yeah, isn't great!? Question though: Do you get the output of "preview" on > the same track as when you playback in the audio editor? Is there a way to > choose the output of "preview"? > > Be Good, > > Erik > > > recorded a bit. Opened SeratoP&T. ENTERED values numerically, > > PREVIEWED, processed. FINALLY! > > > > > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hope the title gets the message across... What are those of you using G5's running lots of PT HD audio tracks, lots of EXS-24 (and other streaming samples) plus video doing for hard drives? What do you have in your system, and where do you put audio, samples and video? I've got the VSL Pro edition, plus a lot of other EXS-24 content, and I'm going to need a place to park it. Is anyone splitting their sample library between the two internal S-ATA drives in their G5's? Any concerns about samples on the system drive? Would it be better to partition the system drive and put the samples on their own partition? Anyone having success with multiple FW800 drives for audio, or is FW400 still best? Assuming that samples were on S-ATA, and audio on FW400, would a FW800 drive be a good place to put video? I've heard some people on other forums recommend using the Sonnet S-ATA expansion card. I imagine that's clear off the compatibility charts, but is anyone having success with it? I'm curious to hear of any successful strategies for G5 systems running lots of audio, samples and video. Lee Blaske

Lee, My basic recipe and reasoning for G5's go something like this. Minimum 4 Gig 2nd SATA bay gets a drive for Sampler instruments. Kontakt, EXS-24, kompakt libraries etc. This has worked out to be much better performing than FW. I completely avoid using the system drive for any audio beyond the Specrtrasonics libraries. Partitioning in certain instances can slow performance of a drive down, so I avoid it. FW800 for tracking and playback of audio and video. (depending on the codec you want to use, video bandwidth for DV is not much greater than a few stereo pair of audio tracks, but the load on the processor varies for different codecs and that seems more important) I've done few HD TDM and 002 installs, most of them for composers using Logic. Thusfar it all seems to be a working combination, but I'm always looking for ways to improve it. bd_ On May 3, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Lee Blaske wrote: > Hope the title gets the message across... > > What are those of you using G5's running lots of PT HD audio tracks, > lots of EXS-24 (and other streaming samples) plus video doing for > hard drives? What do you have in your system, and where do you put > audio, samples and video? > > I've got the VSL Pro edition, plus a lot of other EXS-24 content, and > I'm going to need a place to park it. Is anyone splitting their > sample library between the two internal S-ATA drives in their G5's? > Any concerns about samples on the system drive? Would it be better to > partition the system drive and put the samples on their own partition? > > Anyone having success with multiple FW800 drives for audio, or is > FW400 still best? Assuming that samples were on S-ATA, and audio on > FW400, would a FW800 drive be a good place to put video? > > I've heard some people on other forums recommend using the Sonnet > S-ATA expansion card. I imagine that's clear off the compatibility > charts, but is anyone having success with it? > > I'm curious to hear of any successful strategies for G5 systems > running lots of audio, samples and video. > > Lee Blaske > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Sample libraries divided between two internal SATA:s one being the system drive (bigger sample libraries on the other one), one external FW800 LaCie disk running audio tracks and video concurrently. Works virtually flawlessly here. Don´t even know the limits of my system. Converting quicktime movies to DV stream seriously improves sync and smoothness of action as I´m sure you already know. All the best Lee /E 2x1.8, 4Gb RAM, OSX 10.3.8,HD Accel 3, PT 6.7cs8, L7.01 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB erik@... 2005-05-04 kl. 00.08 skrev Lee Blaske: > Hope the title gets the message across... > > What are those of you using G5's running lots of PT HD audio tracks, > lots of EXS-24 (and other streaming samples) plus video doing for > hard drives? What do you have in your system, and where do you put > audio, samples and video? > > I've got the VSL Pro edition, plus a lot of other EXS-24 content, and > I'm going to need a place to park it. Is anyone splitting their > sample library between the two internal S-ATA drives in their G5's? > Any concerns about samples on the system drive? Would it be better to > partition the system drive and put the samples on their own partition? > > Anyone having success with multiple FW800 drives for audio, or is > FW400 still best? Assuming that samples were on S-ATA, and audio on > FW400, would a FW800 drive be a good place to put video? > > I've heard some people on other forums recommend using the Sonnet > S-ATA expansion card. I imagine that's clear off the compatibility > charts, but is anyone having success with it? > > I'm curious to hear of any successful strategies for G5 systems > running lots of audio, samples and video. > > Lee Blaske > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

The reason they skipped this is that you now can "export region as audio" in the File/Export menue. Thus giving you better control of the name. Just tried it, works great. /Erik > How the heck do I make them 24 bit instead of 32 bit? There used to be a > window where I could do this in Logic 6, but I can't find it in 7.0.1. > > The manual says to go to Preferences>Audio, but I don't see any freeze > options there. Is this a bug, and if so, anyone know if it's fixed in 7.1? > > - Mike Greene > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I keep it all on internal S-ATAS. I try to keep dv-streams from different drives than audio. FireWire only for BU/Archive I probably don't run as big projects as you do though... /Erik > Hope the title gets the message across... > > What are those of you using G5's running lots of PT HD audio tracks, > lots of EXS-24 (and other streaming samples) plus video doing for > hard drives? What do you have in your system, and where do you put > audio, samples and video? > > I've got the VSL Pro edition, plus a lot of other EXS-24 content, and > I'm going to need a place to park it. Is anyone splitting their > sample library between the two internal S-ATA drives in their G5's? > Any concerns about samples on the system drive? Would it be better to > partition the system drive and put the samples on their own partition? > > Anyone having success with multiple FW800 drives for audio, or is > FW400 still best? Assuming that samples were on S-ATA, and audio on > FW400, would a FW800 drive be a good place to put video? > > I've heard some people on other forums recommend using the Sonnet > S-ATA expansion card. I imagine that's clear off the compatibility > charts, but is anyone having success with it? > > I'm curious to hear of any successful strategies for G5 systems > running lots of audio, samples and video. > > Lee Blaske > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

> From: Peter Lemer <plemer@...> > That all sounds very interesting and I definitely would like to know > more about the setup. Hi Peter, If you can use G5 optical to Digi optical without the noise that's of course the easiest (did you mention which Digi interface btw?). Be warned, the following setup is pretty quirky. Since DTDM/ESB has no dedicated inputs you'll route the Mac audio into Logic DTDM via the internal network instead. There may be similar approaches that work equally or better, but at least this a method that I found to be working when I needed it. You'll need SoundFlower, a "CoreAudio device in software" (freeware from Cycling 74). Granted Software RAX, a trial/cheap multipurpose CoreAudio mixer/AU host. Apulsoft Wormhole, a trial/cheap AU plug-in set that transmits/receives audio as 32-bit over the network, internally between apps, or even between AU/VST Mac's and VST PC's using Ethernet. It consists of two plug-ins, Wormhole and DummyInstrument. You'll need to use both. After everything is installed: Go to OS X System Preferences>Sound>Output and select SoundFlower (2ch). iTunes and other regular apps now uses SoundFlower. Open RAX, go to Preferences>Audio and select SoundFlower (2ch) as audio device. Next, in RAX's menu bar select Source>Audio>Audio. The sound of iTunes is now playing inside RAX and you should see it by the RAX' meters moving (but still no sound). Then insert Wormhole on the RAX Master (upper window, rightmost tab) and press [Sender]. The sound of iTunes is now "out there" on the network. Now go to Logic. Select an empty DTDM instrument and insert the Apulsoft DummyInstrument just as if it was a regular instrument. This just "activates the strip". Finally, insert a Wormhole plug-in on the same strip and press [Receiver], make sure that [Receive from] is set to [localhost]. You should now hear iTunes on the instrument strip. Easy? :) Btw, If I've understood it right, OS X Tiger now has a network AU plug-in included, so it's possible that this can replace Wormhole.. Martin G5/PT HDA2/RME9632

On 4 May 2005, at 00:55, martin wrote: >> From: Peter Lemer <plemer@...> >> That all sounds very interesting and I definitely would like to know >> more about the setup. > > Hi Peter, > If you can use G5 optical to Digi optical without the noise that's of > course > the easiest (did you mention which Digi interface btw?). 888/24, which only has RCA :-( Is there way to link optical to RCA? > > Be warned, the following setup is pretty quirky.[...]Easy? :) I am seriously impressed :-) and no - not easy. > > Btw, If I've understood it right, OS X Tiger now has a network AU > plug-in > included, so it's possible that this can replace Wormhole.. OK. Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to pen that lot :-) peter