Hi Nick - Thanks for the info. Your email crossed with my previous one ­ I went to the Apple site and read about the node apps. Very cool! If this stuff works as planned and keeps in harmony with TDM, our studios are going to have an amazing boost in creativity! * Dave On 9/29/04 8:14 PM, "Nick Batzdorf" <recording@...> wrote: > > David Gordon wrote: > >>> > > I just realized though, there are more costs for the >>> > > second CPU - another monitor, >>> > > and -ouch- another copy of logic with its own >> > XKSkey! > > You don't need another copy of Logic on the node, and if you don't > want to use a cheap monitor as Andy suggested, you could use a KVM > switch.

From: David Gordon <music-pro@...> > then that means we can use a G4 1G (or a >G4 dual 1G like mine) as the Logic master and also as the TDM host, with all >the native processing done on a node G5. I'm trying to avoid stupid analogies, but I can't: using a G4 as your main machine when you have a G5 would be like having to sleep with your dog instead of your ready and willing fantasy supermodel partner. Michael Hayden of the former Emagic came up with an exception: keeping your work on a PowerBook while you're away, then plugging it in to your G5 when you're back in the studio. -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

I know, I thought of that too. Your analogy is perfect! The only reason I considered that is Emagic wrote on their website that either machine will work as master or node, but they recommend the node be a G5. But it would drive me nuts to have the G5 just being a brute force processor and use my sluggish G4 as my interface. Do you recommend just ignoring that comment on Apple's site and demoting the G4 to node duty? I am assuming that the DAE stuff needs to go in the master mac too, not the node, which means the TDM hosting machine would also be the beefier native unit. You seem to have thought about this a lot - how do you do it? - Dave On 9/29/04 8:24 PM, "Nick Batzdorf" <recording@...> wrote: > > From: David Gordon <music-pro@...> > >> then that means we can use a G4 1G (or a >> G4 dual 1G like mine) as the Logic master and also as the TDM host, with all >> the native processing done on a node G5. > > I'm trying to avoid stupid analogies, but I can't: using a G4 as your > main machine when you have a G5 would be like having to sleep with > your dog instead of your ready and willing fantasy supermodel partner. > > Michael Hayden of the former Emagic came up with an exception: > keeping your work on a PowerBook while you're away, then plugging it > in to your G5 when you're back in the studio.

Hi, does that mean I can use my ProTools Mix Plus System on my G4 1.25 DP and expand the power with distributed audio on a additional G5 ??? Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter W. Schmitt info@... Filmmusik http://www.peter-w-schmitt.de Philipp-Reis-Str. 22 Tel.: +49 69 893654 63073 Offenbach mobil: 0179 52 672 52 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Logic Pro7 seems nice. As a diehard Logic/Emagic/C-lab/Notator-user since 20 years in round figures I am a bit concerned, though. Nowadays I use Logic as a front-end to my HD3 accel-system, mostly because I'm used to the interface. For obvius reasons for people on this forum, DAE is the sun in my DAW-universe, and native-tracks/-synths are the Pluto's. I use them for additional stuff. I like this combo, but at this point, I could live without the native side. (The dark side of the DAW) All the new features in Logic Pro7 are nice. But I don't care about it, until I know about the integration with TDM. Ok, so it's still supported. What about bugfixes? And further development? Main issues are (in my opinion): Stability/architecture of ESB. Support of ADC (Automatic Delay Compensation) with DAE/TDM/HD Wishlist: Expansion of ESB (more audiostreams) 2-way communication between native/DAE TDM-versions of plug-ins and instruments Support of multi/dual-mono mode with Digidesign hardware. (Hierarchical plug-in menus for TDM-plugins.) If Emagic fades out and ultimately drops TDM-support, they will lose a lot of us TDM-users for shure. With todays perspective, no way I'd choose a native system. Please let us have the best of two worlds, I like the thought of adding some network-distributed native power to my TDM-rig. (So if Apple cares to sell us TDM-users a bunch of G5:s...) Those of you who ordered Logic Pro7, keep us posted!

On 30-09-2004 01:16, "Carmin Cazz" <beholdapalehorze@...> wrote: > > 1) Ever heard of BETA testing??? > 3) You are in for a huhge surprise concerning Logic in > the future Are you saying that you've beta-tested Logic 7 and have info about upcoming hughe surprises? Tell us all about it, I'd say! Ivo

Now the only question is if it works in a TDM system along with ESB without screwing up the performance :-) . Please let me know how things are going, cause if everything goes fine I'll start thinking about expanding my own rig. All the best, Andy David Gordon wrote: > Gadzooks! I think you’ve got it! > > After I read your reply, I went to the apple website and read about > Logic > Node. I’m not positive but they seem to be saying that Logic Pro 7 > allows > you to install an unlimited number of Logic Node applications on > ethernet > connected machines, resulting in 128 audio streams, but you only need > to run > logic on the master system. They say the master can be minimum of a > G4 1G > and nodes are recommended to be G5’s. > > If this is a correct understanding, then that means we can use a G4 1G > (or a > G4 dual 1G like mine) as the Logic master and also as the TDM host, > with all > the native processing done on a node G5. The connect from native to > TDM > could then stay with ESB (assuming it doesn’t malfunction like it > sometimes > does) and the Logic master machine would not be bogged down with the > audio > processing. > > This could be very very cool if TDM<>ESB bugs don’t get in the way! > If they > do, then I guess the lightpipe method could still be used. > > Well I’m looking forward to receiving my Logic 7 upgrade. When I get > it, > I’m going to try the node method using my 1G G4 powerbook just to test > it. > If it works, the G5 would be next on the menu! > > * Dave

David Gordon wrote: > Do you recommend just ignoring that comment on Apple's site and > demoting the > G4 to node duty? I really hate to argue with my good friend Nick, but I guess I personally wouldn't do it unless I have lots of time to troubleshoot. If your G4 TDM rig is stable, there's no point in messing with it IMMHO, cause I can't think of a situation when you run out of the native horsepower on a 1 GHz TDM rig... I know it's a bit frustrating to use a (relatively) slow G4 as a host when you already have a G5 (Nick's expression comes to mind), but OTOH why fix something if it's not broken yet and (more importantly) is still up to the job and (possibly) spend a whole lot of time and effort to bring your (arguably) more powerful system back to life... Just thinking out loud and you (or Nick) are free to disagree. Best, Andy

> If this is a correct understanding, then that means we can use a G4 1G > (or a > G4 dual 1G like mine) as the Logic master and also as the TDM host, > with all > the native processing done on a node G5. The connect from native to > TDM > could then stay with ESB (assuming it doesn’t malfunction like it > sometimes > does) and the Logic master machine would not be bogged down with the > audio > processing. Yes this is exactly what they are saying as far as I can see it. Those of us with smaller HD rigs will definitely see the benefit. The main caveat at this point is that the nodes will only run Logic plugins, or so I believe. And not EXS24's. Whether this stays as a fixed limitation or is simply one that will be opened up over time... i have no idea. Hopefully the latter. > This could be very very cool if TDM<>ESB bugs don’t get in the way! > If they > do, then I guess the lightpipe method could still be used. There is always that... ;) JR

> Are you saying that you've beta-tested Logic 7 and have info about > upcoming > hughe surprises? > > Tell us all about it, I'd say! I doubt this would be true. If this chap IS a beta tester then he is breaking his NDA with Emagic/Apple. I used to beta test back in 1998-2000 and we were absolutely not allowed to discuss bugs even after product announcements. More likely he just had his argument get away from him and he was trying to (albeit a little ineptly) try to regain some composure and not look, as he did, like a bit of a twit. JR

At: Www.mopro.nl (Dutch Emagic Distributor) is a downloadable 42-page pdf with Logic 7 update info. Undoubtedly also on other URL's but I hadn't seen it. Haven't read it yet. Bye, Ivo

At 8:11 pm -0700 29/9/04, Nick Batzdorf wrote: >you can still use >MIX on a G4 (but not on a G5, of course, since MIX won't work on the >G5). Actually, I think I heard some people have got Mix to work with G5s. It's just VERY unsupported. -- Jon Cotton music production and string arranging http://www.stringarranging.com http://www.artisanaudio.com http://www.thehubformusic.com

Hi All, lets get something straight!!! 1) I never said that Logic 7 was not supporting TDM 2) I never stated that I am a BETA tester(Would not waste my time testing a software for BUGZ - then I'd work for a software development) 3) I know a few that BETA test 4) My statement was only a precaution and if you read it; and understood it : All I wanted was to make sure that we get TDM support in the future - CUZ THAT IS ALL I CARE ABOUT 5) Been a member here for 6 Months or longer. I have only contributed with constructive suggestions on how to solve problems. As my TDM setup worx flawlessly on Panter 6) In here I have seen so many complaints about logic 6 about how emagic leave their pro users hanging in thin air and so on. Hardly have I heard anyone being satisfied..... 7) then I come out and say what I know! And Fear!!! And trust me my sources are not based on a single persons belief and all of a sudden almost everybody seem to take sides with apple and emagic and I wonder: where are all the people who used to be so unhappy!!! 8) of course there's alot of speculation going on but I say: better be precatious and talk about it instead of getting a very unpleasent surprise in a year or two. Cuz lets face it : we all dont know for sure what's gonna happen with Logic and TDM!!! And it's not like that there are a lot of alternatives out there! BAPH --- James Richmond <richmondjames@...> wrote: > > > Are you saying that you've beta-tested Logic 7 and > have info about > > upcoming > > hughe surprises? > > > > Tell us all about it, I'd say! > > I doubt this would be true. > If this chap IS a beta tester then he is breaking > his NDA with > Emagic/Apple. > I used to beta test back in 1998-2000 and we were > absolutely not > allowed to discuss bugs even after product > announcements. > More likely he just had his argument get away from > him and he was > trying to (albeit a little ineptly) try to regain > some composure and > not look, as he did, like a bit of a twit. > > JR > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to > contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Well... it has - latency compensation - RTAS support - automatic voice allocation MOTU seems to be interested in TDM users... Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

Carmin Cazz <beholdapalehorze@...> writes: > >1) Ever heard of BETA testing??? Yes. It doesn't sound like you've actually beta tested L7 (or anything else for that matter). Have you? > >2) B4 speaking on a matter of which YOU obviously know >nothing about - you should do some research!!! Ok. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmDone. > >3) You are in for a huhge surprise concerning Logic in >the future The huge surprise happened yesterday when the L7 announcement came. I'm confident that future surprises will also happen. > >5) Your remark about Prozac - well little horny - I >wonda if you'd made that satnding face 2 face with me >- easy 2 b a tought guy behind a cpu screen Well I admit, this is making me a little hot. > > f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> > > > > >--- f-erenc szabo <zerobeat@...> wrote: > > >> <beholdapalehorze@...> writes: >> >I saw all the new features and wanted to throw up! >> >> Like Wendy Testeberger after seeing Stan? >> >> >What do we need that shit for - >> >> We are not Borg. Speak for yourself. >> >> >Logic PRO has nothing to do with PRO >> >> If you can't make money with Logic, don't blame the >> software. >> >> >> >BUGS BUGS BUGS!!! >> >> Damn, you've tested L7 already and found how many >> bugs? >> Or did you just garner this from screenshots? >> You're good. >> Very good. >> >> >> >BS software that no amateur can afford and that no >> PRO will ever buy!!! >> >> 1) many professionals use Logic Pro and intend to >> upgrade to L7. >> 2) many enthusiastic amateurs are in the same boat. >> 3) many buy Logic Express >> >> >TDM is dying within Logic >> >> It's no less incorporated in L7 than it was in L6. >> >> >> >It is a sad day in my life as a producer and >> songwriter!!! >> >> Did you go off Prozac about 15 days ago? It stays >> in >> your system for a while. >> >> >> f-erenc szabo, smarty pants >> Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T >> "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" >> <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> >

Brio Taliaferro <logic@...> writes: >LOGIC 7 doesn't support MIX systems? Logic7 supports the same TDM hardware that Logic6 did on OSX. This includes MIX and d24. You might be confusing the fact that non-HD TDM isn't officially supported on G5s, as per Digidesign's edict. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

"Peter Duemmler" <merlin@...> writes: >it has >- latency compensation >- RTAS support >- automatic voice allocation >MOTU seems to be interested in TDM users... Does it have support for TDM plugin automation yet? I find it amazing to believe that Digidesign granted MOTU the license to implement RTAS support! Or is it some kind of RTAS->AU wrapper? f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

Nick Batzdorf <recording@...> writes: > how could they > possibly support MIX if Digidesign has killed it? Killing it implies that you can't use it anymore. No, it's more like pulling the plug on its respirator. It'll work for as long as the software and hardware supports it. Nothing in the software or hardware has changed since PT 6.41 (the last MIX version). Logic7 still supports the DAE as it did in Logic6 (for OSX only obviously). Sure, there'll be a time that MIX won't work with Logic, but that'll be due to other elements not working first. For example, if OSX 10.4 (Tiger) requires an updated DAE, you can be virtually sure that Digidesign won't include MIX support. Also remember that an announcement of a LAST version of something isn't usually the case. Often what happens is that a future version comes out and it unexpectedly (from the user's perspective) doesn't support some older configuration. So Digidesign could have shut up about 6.4 and when PT 6.5 comes out people are shocked to find out that it doesn't support MIX. My point is that there is still a lot of life in MIX hardware, just not psychologically to folks who live for the latest and most bleeding edge everything. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

f-erenc szabo wrote: > "Peter Duemmler" <merlin@...> writes: >> it has >> - latency compensation >> - RTAS support >> - automatic voice allocation >> MOTU seems to be interested in TDM users... > > Does it have support for TDM plugin automation yet? Yes. I haven´t used DP myself, it´s just what the website says... > I find it amazing to believe that Digidesign granted MOTU the > license to implement RTAS support! Or is it some kind of > RTAS->AU wrapper? It says direct RTAS support... Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

Hey F-erenc, Do you (or anyone) know if LPro 7 supports timestamped .wav files? Thanks in advance. Best, Andy

Yes they are finally going to have timestamped .wav files. UBAHIT1

Replying to my own question... I wrote: > Do you (or anyone) know if LPro 7 supports timestamped .wav files? It does. Found the info in the .pdf file - page 18. Sorry for wasting the bandwidth. Best, Andy

I agree with both of you! I noticed that someone else posted here though that it might be only possible to use the nodes for plugin processing, not including EXS. If that is true, that would be a reason to use the G5 as the front end, since that¹s where the native power would be needed for the EXS. Well, anyway, I ordered Logic 7 and Apple says they'll ship it on October 5. I have a window between a couple big projects so I plan to install it right away, test it with TDM and explore the new features. After that I'll try my Powerbook 1G as a node and see if it makes much difference. I'll let you know how that all goes. - Dave On 9/30/04 1:40 AM, "Andy Hardwake" <digitalmechanics@...> wrote: > Now the only question is if it works in a TDM system along with ESB > without screwing up the performance :-) . Please let me know how things > are going, cause if everything goes fine I'll start thinking about > expanding my own rig. > > All the best, > > Andy > > David Gordon wrote: > >> Do you recommend just ignoring that comment on Apple's site and >> demoting the >> G4 to node duty? > > I really hate to argue with my good friend Nick, but I guess I > personally wouldn't do it unless I have lots of time to troubleshoot. > If your G4 TDM rig is stable, there's no point in messing with it > IMMHO, cause I can't think of a situation when you run out of the > native horsepower on a 1 GHz TDM rig... I know it's a bit frustrating > to use a (relatively) slow G4 as a host when you already have a G5 > (Nick's expression comes to mind), but OTOH why fix something if it's > not broken yet and (more importantly) is still up to the job and > (possibly) spend a whole lot of time and effort to bring your > (arguably) more powerful system back to life... Just thinking out loud > and you (or Nick) are free to disagree. > > Best, > > Andy > > >

Hi James - Did you read that on the Apple site? When you say nodes will only run Logic plugins but not EXS ­ do you mean they will only run Logic¹s internal plugins? Any idea if the nodes will do third-party Audio Unit plug-ins, like Sample Tank for example? * Dave On 9/30/04 1:46 AM, "James Richmond" <richmondjames@...> wrote: >> If this is a correct understanding, then that means we can use a G4 1G >> (or a >> G4 dual 1G like mine) as the Logic master and also as the TDM host, >> with all >> the native processing done on a node G5. The connect from native to >> TDM >> could then stay with ESB (assuming it doesn¹t malfunction like it >> sometimes >> does) and the Logic master machine would not be bogged down with the >> audio >> processing. > > Yes this is exactly what they are saying as far as I can see it. > Those of us with smaller HD rigs will definitely see the benefit. > The main caveat at this point is that the nodes will only run Logic > plugins, or so I believe. > And not EXS24's. > Whether this stays as a fixed limitation or is simply one that will be > opened up over time... i have no idea. > Hopefully the latter.

On 9/30/04 8:35 AM, "Carmin Cazz" <beholdapalehorze@...> wrote: > Hi All, > > lets get something straight!!! > > 1) I never said that Logic 7 was not supporting TDM > 2) I never stated that I am a BETA tester(Would not > waste my time testing a software for BUGZ - then I'd > work for a software development) Something tells me you lack the qualifications to do either beta testing or development... > 3) I know a few that BETA test > 4) My statement was only a precaution and if you read > it; and understood it : All I wanted was to make sure > that we get TDM support in the future - CUZ THAT IS > ALL I CARE ABOUT TDM is probably going to be outdated and obsolete sometime in the future! This happens to ALL TECHNOLOGY! Why do you think Digidesign developed LE systems and bought MAudio? > 5) Been a member here for 6 Months or longer. I have > only contributed with constructive suggestions on how > to solve problems. As my TDM setup worx flawlessly on > Panter You should use spell check in Mail, another feature that works flawlessly in Panther. > 6) In here I have seen so many complaints about logic Usually no one is going to post to say "There's no problems- everything is OK" This forum is useful to those who have problems. Why? Because not everyone has the same problems and some have been able to solve their problems. Folks try to share information on this list about news and problems. > 8) of course there's alot of speculation going on but > I say: better be precatious and talk about it instead > of getting a very unpleasent surprise in a year or > two. Cuz lets face it : we all dont know for sure > what's gonna happen with Logic and TDM!!! And it's not > like that there are a lot of alternatives out there! It looks like the alternative is already happening- Native. It's here and it's getting better. I wouldn't sell your TDM systems just yet... But keep an open mind to the possibility that Native systems in the next generation or two may surpass the cost/performance of TDM. Eddie IMS > > BAPH > > > --- James Richmond <richmondjames@...> wrote: > >> >>> Are you saying that you've beta-tested Logic 7 and >> have info about >>> upcoming >>> hughe surprises? >>> >>> Tell us all about it, I'd say! >> >> I doubt this would be true. >> If this chap IS a beta tester then he is breaking >> his NDA with >> Emagic/Apple. >> I used to beta test back in 1998-2000 and we were >> absolutely not >> allowed to discuss bugs even after product >> announcements. >> More likely he just had his argument get away from >> him and he was >> trying to (albeit a little ineptly) try to regain >> some composure and >> not look, as he did, like a bit of a twit. >> >> JR >> >> >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to >> logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to >> contact an admin. >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >