Hi, how can I make a 16 bit file into a 24 bit file within a session. I work with 24 bit recording. My friend sends me 16 bit loops. I can play them on dtdm but would like to play them on tdm. Thanks Ingo

"ingosand" <ingo.sandhofen@...> writes: >how can I make a 16 bit file into a 24 bit file In the Audio Window go to the following local menu: Audio File-> Copy/Convert File(s) The rest is obvious. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

isn´t there a file preselection or any posibility like in os9 ? so you can preselect more files in the "add audio" and open all selected files at once ??

Sent to: Manfred Knauff (TDM Emagic Support Team) on Jul. 27.2004 Hello, I would like to know if Emagic's planning on fixing the way Logic 6 operates with TDM and Pro-Tools Hardware. Since version 6, Logic's TDM performances have been scaled down by a large amount. As a matter of facts Logic is almost UNWORKABLE when used together with TDM. And even the Native version keeps crashing. This is sad because it used to be the most powerful package out there (Logic + Pro-Tools Hardware). The new versions of Pro-Tools on the other hand have been rock solid in my experience. So there are little excuses to Emagic for not getting up to speed. Most clients are now asking for Pro-Tools as they do not want to experiment extensive downtime while trying to fix Logic's crashes. I have the feeling that Logic will be pretty soon out of the picture if nothing is done to fix it! Thanks anyway, Logic still is a powerful package in my opinion. Regards Michel Gallone Sully Sound Switzerland

I understand your point... but you're wrong. The future tells me tdm systems will disappear from the mac platform very fast, at least if emagic do what everyone expects, that means offline plugins just like audiosuite (in the factory menu of the sample editor for example), use of busses for recording and co. Look, Avid thought they were ruling the video editing market till apple released final cut pro 3. Now with 4Hd, every single pro-user in video editing just uses FCP. As Digidesign are part of Avid, I think we can expect the same scheme happening. Only a few customers left on TDM and everyone will run logic natively. I'm considering myself selling my full pt5/OS9 system (4 mix cards) for a brand new g5 and a digi002 for its good converters. Lolo > > Most clients are now asking for Pro-Tools as they do not want to > experiment extensive downtime while trying to fix Logic's crashes. I > have the feeling that Logic will be pretty soon out of the picture > if nothing is done to fix it! > > Thanks anyway, Logic still is a powerful package in my opinion. > > Regards > Michel Gallone > Sully Sound > Switzerland > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Laurent Véronnez Lô - Dj Airwave- Body shock - Planisphere Iceberg Productions BVBA Editions Banshee BVBA Banshee Worx BVBA Mob: +32 4 85 56 41 39 Fax: +32 27 35 38 73

Hey! Just wanted to let you know that in my system this setup actually made the ESB issues worse. I pushed it pretty hard, and as usual my Multi Channel Drums made it tip over. Usually I can run a Multi Cannel Drumset in EXS 24 + around 8 other AU Plugs. With this setup in my system the distortion and sync-drop came on the 4.th AU plug. Sorry, but thanx anyway, it's allways good to know people are out there looking for sollutions! Cheers, Erik > Hi all, > > The following may be a fix for the ESB problem (suggested by the guys who I > buy logic stuff from and therefore hassle the hell out of). Try setting up > the ESB channels as 8 mono auxiliaries (panned left, right , left, right > etc) rather than 4 stereo auxs. I've tested it this afternoon and it didn't > misbehave yet.. however I'm not yet on HD, only mix, and I didn't yet have a > chance to push it beyond basics... try it out and see how it works. > > > OS10.3.4 > Mix3 > Logic pro 6.4.2 > G4 dual 1.2g > > rafael may > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Hi There, sorry to add this but " Are u guys Crazy" Off Line plugins... Suppose manley and avalon and ssl will build off line harware compressors.... For a pro user Realtime plugs are the only thing working... No Plug in will ever replace the real hardware but TDM in comparison to vst or audio units - He he - u cant even compare it.... Filters as plug in= 4get about it, compressors = average.... Flange, Phasing and delay SFX are absolutely awesome if u know what U're doing, that is.... Try using a delay or phaser on a midi track running realtime as an input in logic and U'll see that U'll meet your limits very soon..... DIGI002 U say have good converters: U've gotta be kidding me - Even the 192 I/O converters suck if you plan on making PRO music..... Apogee, Anagram, Prism etc. are converters that come pretty close to analog sounding : NOTHING ELSE.... Logic and DIgidesign will fix those stupid bugs and in the future you'll regret having sold your fine Mix digidesign hardware......:-) --- Laurent Veronnez <lvee1@...> wrote: > I understand your point... but you're wrong. The > future tells me tdm > systems will disappear from the mac platform very > fast, at least if > emagic do what everyone expects, that means offline > plugins just like > audiosuite (in the factory menu of the sample editor > for example), use > of busses for recording and co. > > Look, Avid thought they were ruling the video > editing market till apple > released final cut pro 3. Now with 4Hd, every > single pro-user in video > editing just uses FCP. > > As Digidesign are part of Avid, I think we can > expect the same scheme > happening. Only a few customers left on TDM and > everyone will run > logic natively. > > I'm considering myself selling my full pt5/OS9 > system (4 mix cards) for > a brand new g5 and a digi002 for its good > converters. > > Lolo > > > > > > > Most clients are now asking for Pro-Tools as they > do not want to > > experiment extensive downtime while trying to fix > Logic's crashes. I > > have the feeling that Logic will be pretty soon > out of the picture > > if nothing is done to fix it! > > > > Thanks anyway, Logic still is a powerful package > in my opinion. > > > > Regards > > Michel Gallone > > Sully Sound > > Switzerland > > > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to > contact an admin. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laurent Véronnez > Lô - Dj Airwave- Body shock - Planisphere > > Iceberg Productions BVBA > Editions Banshee BVBA > Banshee Worx BVBA > > Mob: +32 4 85 56 41 39 > Fax: +32 27 35 38 73 > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to > contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com

Hi - after having told emagic what I wrote here I received this mail from Emagic Support: Hi Carmic, The bug you've mentioned is a known bug to us - we are curently working with digidesin to fix this problem. For the near future please go ahead as u suggested and delete the "info.emagic.plugin.plist" it owrks and cleans logic Plugins preferences Regards, Niko Plath Support Center Germany Emagic Soft- & Hardware GmbH Halstenbeker Weg 96, D-25462 Rellingen support@... www.emagic.de Sorry nick - your suggestion aint good - tried all that shit B4 coming up with this solution:-) IT WORX --- Nick Batzdorf <recording@...> wrote: > From: "beholdapalehorze" > <beholdapalehorze@...> > > >I run 1x G4 with a mix4 system...OS X PAnther > 10.3.4 & > >1x G4 with an HD... PROBLEM > > > >On first logic pro boot (evry day) I boot loading > my autoload.... > >after I'll want 2 open my > >song from yesterday and after a few secs logic > quits > >unexpectedly.... This drove e crazy > >and I have found the problem: > "info.emagic.plugin.plist" this stupid > >.plist causes the > >problem.... So what I do every morning is go to > /MacHD/Library and delete > >"info.emagic.plugin.plist" ..... now my system runs > the whole day : > >FLAWLESS... Now I've > >told Emagic what happens but all they know how to > is to push the > >blame on digidesign.. > > > >If any of you have the same problem - just do what > I described above :>) > > It sounds like an easier way to fix the problem > would be either to > create a new Autoload (because this one has > something going on that > makes Logic mad) or figure out whether you have a > plug-in that's > corrupted or problematic. > -- > > Nick Batzdorf > 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434 > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to > contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

At 7:50 am -0700 27/7/04, Carmin Cazz wrote: > Logic and DIgidesign will fix those >stupid bugs and in the future you'll regret having >sold your fine Mix digidesign hardware......:-) I'm not so sure. Here 80% of the computer problems we have are Protools related - DSP chips not freeing themselves up, PT running out of chips when there's 2 free - but the wrong kind, -6042 errors etc etc. By comparison, native just works, you can mix millions of types of plugins without running into 'one type per chip' barriers, you can freeze, plugins instantiate immediately. The only thing keeping me using our mix system is the lack of latency when tracking and a couple of plugs. Otherwise I'm now working entirely in native. Re: your criticisms of native plugins, frankly that's a crock. Altiverb sounds better than any TDM reverb I've heard, the Waves package to me sounds identical on native, plus you've got 32 bit float mixing which sounds better than the PT mix bus (maybe not on an HD system). Equally Logic's own channel EQ sounds better than Filterbank/Focusrite D2 and several others to my ears. The only ones I haven't found a replacement for yet are Bombfactory Fairchild and Echofarm. Which is pretty much all I use TDM for when mixing now. J -- Jon Cotton music production and string arranging http://www.stringarranging.com http://www.artisanaudio.com http://www.thehubformusic.com

well, what can I say?? If I needed avalon or manley, I would buy the hardware, and no plugin. For some reason, I still think echofarm for example, is a plugin I can't "live" without. That is the last plugin in my tdm list I can't replace with native software. And yeah, all those discussions regarding the quality of tdm compared to native, I understand the point. 5 years ago, I'd say it was correct, tdm plugins were effectively better than the native ones from the likes of logic or even cubase. But that was 5 years ago!! And do not underestimate audiosuite, as it's a wonderful tool for eq-ing/cutting frequencies the way you want to. You can compress either. Everyone uses it. I love speed for example, that's the second plugin I can't live without. If Emagic are smart, and believe me they are, they will release a logic pro 7 especially made for the G5 processors, with all those built-in functions I was talking about. Then, I wonder how many people will stay on tdm. I don't care about what the pro's say about tdm/audiosuite. I don't mind being seen as a dummy. But actually I know what my needs are, and apparently they're not the same as yours. As I said I understand everyone's point.

From: Laurent Veronnez <lvee1@...> >every single pro-user in video >editing just uses FCP. Do you think that might be just a little bit hyper, Laurent? :) -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

Jon Cotton <jon.sunflower@...> wrote: >Re: your criticisms of native plugins, frankly that's a crock. >Altiverb sounds better than any TDM reverb I've heard, the Waves >package to me sounds identical on native, plus you've got 32 bit >float mixing which sounds better than the PT mix bus (maybe not on an >HD system). Equally Logic's own channel EQ sounds better than >Filterbank/Focusrite D2 and several others to my ears. The only ones >I haven't found a replacement for yet are Bombfactory Fairchild and >Echofarm. Which is pretty much all I use TDM for when mixing now. In addition, the perception that TDM sounds better than native is also because marketing-wise, there are more forces at work making crappy native plugins than there are ones making crappy TDM plugins. In fact, I can't think of any crappy TDM plugins in the same bushleague as some of the really crappy and amateurish native ones (probably more in the VST camp?). Native just has so much more crap associated with it, both in products and production. What some folks assume is that there will be two choices: ProTools TDM or Logic Native. There's another choice that Digidesign might unleash someday: ProTools Native that has all the features of TDM except for the hardware. In other words, if there becomes no reason to use auxiliary cards because the host computer is more than powerful enough, then Digidesign already has great software (not so much in the MIDI department) to compete in a high-end native market. Does AVID have great software that can compete with FinalCut Pro on a purely native basis? f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

Uuuhh, I love this discussion. I have to say, I worked on mix plus until 5 weeks ago. I also thought of going native and tried it working natively. But latency is not a reason it is the reason for me to stay TDM. I just can't stand latency. So i took the money and upgraded to HD accel2 although I was very sceptical. But I have to say HD kicks ass! Especially the new plugins like Octavox and the new Focusrite suite. (I haven't tried Revibe yet). I never compared Avid and FCP, but Native and TDM is just no comparison to me. It is clear that Logic's main focus is not TDM. And I don't want to defend neither Emagic nor DIGI, but the whole unit in summary is doing an amazing job. So, I just hope ProTools stays on Apple, because I love my Macs. Ingo --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@g...> wrote: > Jon Cotton <jon.sunflower@b...> wrote: > >Re: your criticisms of native plugins, frankly that's a crock. > >Altiverb sounds better than any TDM reverb I've heard, the Waves > >package to me sounds identical on native, plus you've got 32 bit > >float mixing which sounds better than the PT mix bus (maybe not on an > >HD system). Equally Logic's own channel EQ sounds better than > >Filterbank/Focusrite D2 and several others to my ears. The only ones > >I haven't found a replacement for yet are Bombfactory Fairchild and > >Echofarm. Which is pretty much all I use TDM for when mixing now. > > In addition, the perception that TDM sounds better than native > is also because marketing-wise, there are more forces at work > making crappy native plugins than there are ones making crappy > TDM plugins. In fact, I can't think of any crappy TDM plugins > in the same bushleague as some of the really crappy and amateurish > native ones (probably more in the VST camp?). > > Native just has so much more crap associated with it, both in products > and production. > > > > What some folks assume is that there will be two choices: ProTools TDM > or Logic Native. There's another choice that Digidesign might unleash > someday: ProTools Native that has all the features of TDM except for > the hardware. In other words, if there becomes no reason to use > auxiliary cards because the host computer is more than powerful enough, > then Digidesign already has great software (not so much in the MIDI > department) to compete in a high-end native market. > > Does AVID have great software that can compete with FinalCut Pro > on a purely native basis? > > > > > > > > f-erenc szabo, smarty pants > Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T > "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" > <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

Hey Ingo! What's your equipment apart from HD2? /Erik > Uuuhh, > > I love this discussion. > > I have to say, I worked on mix plus until 5 weeks ago. I also thought of going > native and > tried it working natively. But latency is not a reason it is the reason for me > to stay TDM. I > just can't stand latency. > > So i took the money and upgraded to HD accel2 although I was very sceptical. > But I have to > say HD kicks ass! > > Especially the new plugins like Octavox and the new Focusrite suite. (I > haven't tried Revibe > yet). > > I never compared Avid and FCP, but Native and TDM is just no comparison to me. > > It is clear that Logic's main focus is not TDM. And I don't want to defend > neither Emagic > nor DIGI, but the whole unit in summary is doing an amazing job. > > So, I just hope ProTools stays on Apple, because I love my Macs. > > Ingo > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@g...> wrote: >> Jon Cotton <jon.sunflower@b...> wrote: >>> Re: your criticisms of native plugins, frankly that's a crock. >>> Altiverb sounds better than any TDM reverb I've heard, the Waves >>> package to me sounds identical on native, plus you've got 32 bit >>> float mixing which sounds better than the PT mix bus (maybe not on an >>> HD system). Equally Logic's own channel EQ sounds better than >>> Filterbank/Focusrite D2 and several others to my ears. The only ones >>> I haven't found a replacement for yet are Bombfactory Fairchild and >>> Echofarm. Which is pretty much all I use TDM for when mixing now. >> >> In addition, the perception that TDM sounds better than native >> is also because marketing-wise, there are more forces at work >> making crappy native plugins than there are ones making crappy >> TDM plugins. In fact, I can't think of any crappy TDM plugins >> in the same bushleague as some of the really crappy and amateurish >> native ones (probably more in the VST camp?). >> >> Native just has so much more crap associated with it, both in products >> and production. >> >> >> >> What some folks assume is that there will be two choices: ProTools TDM >> or Logic Native. There's another choice that Digidesign might unleash >> someday: ProTools Native that has all the features of TDM except for >> the hardware. In other words, if there becomes no reason to use >> auxiliary cards because the host computer is more than powerful enough, >> then Digidesign already has great software (not so much in the MIDI >> department) to compete in a high-end native market. >> >> Does AVID have great software that can compete with FinalCut Pro >> on a purely native basis? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> f-erenc szabo, smarty pants >> Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T >> "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" >> <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Hey Eric, realy not much outboard. I use an Apogge Mini for input and record most of my stuff with a Brauner VM1. Another thing for electric guitars I use is a Mesa Boogie RectoPre. This week I am going to get a Focusrite Octopre for Dumrecordings. I know that there is nothing like good hardware but I just enjoy the creativity of total recall, and a workflow that allows make recording mixing and mastering sort of all one process. I also belive a good soung is mainly produced right on the instrument and with the voice. What's your equipment? OS 10.3.4 LAP 6.4 G4 1.25mp HD accel2 Ingo --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Erik Sojdelius <eriksojdelius@b...> wrote: > Hey Ingo! What's your equipment apart from HD2? > > /Erik > > > Uuuhh, > > > > I love this discussion. > > > > I have to say, I worked on mix plus until 5 weeks ago. I also thought of going > > native and > > tried it working natively. But latency is not a reason it is the reason for me > > to stay TDM. I > > just can't stand latency. > > > > So i took the money and upgraded to HD accel2 although I was very sceptical. > > But I have to > > say HD kicks ass! > > > > Especially the new plugins like Octavox and the new Focusrite suite. (I > > haven't tried Revibe > > yet). > > > > I never compared Avid and FCP, but Native and TDM is just no comparison to me. > > > > It is clear that Logic's main focus is not TDM. And I don't want to defend > > neither Emagic > > nor DIGI, but the whole unit in summary is doing an amazing job. > > > > So, I just hope ProTools stays on Apple, because I love my Macs. > > > > Ingo > > > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@g...> wrote: > >> Jon Cotton <jon.sunflower@b...> wrote: > >>> Re: your criticisms of native plugins, frankly that's a crock. > >>> Altiverb sounds better than any TDM reverb I've heard, the Waves > >>> package to me sounds identical on native, plus you've got 32 bit > >>> float mixing which sounds better than the PT mix bus (maybe not on an > >>> HD system). Equally Logic's own channel EQ sounds better than > >>> Filterbank/Focusrite D2 and several others to my ears. The only ones > >>> I haven't found a replacement for yet are Bombfactory Fairchild and > >>> Echofarm. Which is pretty much all I use TDM for when mixing now. > >> > >> In addition, the perception that TDM sounds better than native > >> is also because marketing-wise, there are more forces at work > >> making crappy native plugins than there are ones making crappy > >> TDM plugins. In fact, I can't think of any crappy TDM plugins > >> in the same bushleague as some of the really crappy and amateurish > >> native ones (probably more in the VST camp?). > >> > >> Native just has so much more crap associated with it, both in products > >> and production. > >> > >> > >> > >> What some folks assume is that there will be two choices: ProTools TDM > >> or Logic Native. There's another choice that Digidesign might unleash > >> someday: ProTools Native that has all the features of TDM except for > >> the hardware. In other words, if there becomes no reason to use > >> auxiliary cards because the host computer is more than powerful enough, > >> then Digidesign already has great software (not so much in the MIDI > >> department) to compete in a high-end native market. > >> > >> Does AVID have great software that can compete with FinalCut Pro > >> on a purely native basis? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> f-erenc szabo, smarty pants > >> Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T > >> "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" > >> <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Anyone know if custom patches created in the Virus TDM will work in the Indigo TDM? ..and the Virus arpeggiator locks to MTC perfectly in Logic6 OS9, I heard a rumor that in OS10 the arpeggiator no longer locks to MTC, say it ain't so, that would be a bummer... Ed A.

I have hd accell 3, panther,1.25 dual g4,logic pro. I can't use "punch on the fly" for more than a minute or so without getting -9060 dae errors. I do extensive recording and punching everyday but I have to do it all on my os9 system which still is very reliable. Do you know the solution to this? David Frank On Jul 27, 2004, at 5:37 AM, sullysounddotcom wrote: > Sent to: Manfred Knauff (TDM Emagic Support Team) on Jul. 27.2004 > > Hello, > > I would like to know if Emagic's planning on fixing the way Logic 6 > operates with TDM and Pro-Tools Hardware. > Since version 6, Logic's TDM performances have been scaled down by a > large amount. As a matter of facts Logic is almost UNWORKABLE when > used together with TDM. And even the Native version keeps crashing. > This is sad because it used to be the most powerful package out > there (Logic + Pro-Tools Hardware). > > The new versions of Pro-Tools on the other hand have been rock solid > in my experience. So there are little excuses to Emagic for not > getting up to speed. > > Most clients are now asking for Pro-Tools as they do not want to > experiment extensive downtime while trying to fix Logic's crashes. I > have the feeling that Logic will be pretty soon out of the picture > if nothing is done to fix it! > > Thanks anyway, Logic still is a powerful package in my opinion. > > Regards > Michel Gallone > Sully Sound > Switzerland > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Hi, Anybody know a way to do this more convenient: A client comes in to mix multiple songs prepared under Logic 4.x, OS9, with Audwiowerk en MOTU (via ASIO) hardware and extensive use of the EXS24. I can import these songs into our Logic Pro/HD2 set and copy the EXS programs/samples to their respective places. I can then either copy/paste the sequences and the tempo map in our autoload so the songs fits our setup or, the other way around, copy/paste our environment in the song from the client. Either way, I lose the EXS programs because whenever I change the Audio Driver for an audio object all the settings go to default. The only solution I can think of is manually writing down which instrument is loaded in each EXS instance and then load them all by hand after the conversion. Not ideal. Any suggestions? Thanks, Ivo Quality Quartet Music & Sound * Jacob van Lennepkade 187 * 1054 ZN Amsterdam * The Netherlands * tel: ++ 31 (0)20 4700627 * fax:++ 31 (0)20 4700624 http://www.qualityquartet.com

If you make sure that you have universal track mode enabled in the audio hardware and drivers menu, then you can litererally copy the audio window layer from asio to DTDM. This is usually fine for me. On 28 Jul 2004, at 08:01, Ivo Witteveen wrote: > Hi, > > Anybody know a way to do this more convenient: > > A client comes in to mix multiple songs prepared under Logic 4.x, OS9, > with > Audwiowerk en MOTU (via ASIO) hardware and extensive use of the EXS24. > > I can import these songs into our Logic Pro/HD2 set and copy the EXS > programs/samples to their respective places. I can then either > copy/paste > the sequences and the tempo map in our autoload so the songs fits our > setup > or, the other way around, copy/paste our environment in the song from > the > client. > > Either way, I lose the EXS programs because whenever I change the Audio > Driver for an audio object all the settings go to default. > > The only solution I can think of is manually writing down which > instrument > is loaded in each EXS instance and then load them all by hand after the > conversion. > > Not ideal. Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Ivo > > > Quality Quartet Music & Sound > > * Jacob van Lennepkade 187 > * 1054 ZN Amsterdam > * The Netherlands > * tel: ++ 31 (0)20 4700627 > * fax:++ 31 (0)20 4700624 > > > http://www.qualityquartet.com > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

I know we are all left alone with this 9060 error, but I have to say since I record on a better HD (Maxtor w 8mb Cache and 7500rpm), connected to my 3rd port in the G4, I have a lot less 9060ies. What HD config do you have? Ingo --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, David Frank <rgvd@e...> wrote: > I have hd accell 3, panther,1.25 dual g4,logic pro. I can't use "punch > on the fly" for more than a minute or so without getting -9060 dae > errors. I do extensive recording and punching everyday but I have to do > it all on my os9 system which still is very reliable. Do you know the > solution to this? David Frank > On Jul 27, 2004, at 5:37 AM, sullysounddotcom wrote: > > > Sent to: Manfred Knauff (TDM Emagic Support Team) on Jul. 27.2004 > > > > Hello, > > > > I would like to know if Emagic's planning on fixing the way Logic 6 > > operates with TDM and Pro-Tools Hardware. > > Since version 6, Logic's TDM performances have been scaled down by a > > large amount. As a matter of facts Logic is almost UNWORKABLE when > > used together with TDM. And even the Native version keeps crashing. > > This is sad because it used to be the most powerful package out > > there (Logic + Pro-Tools Hardware). > > > > The new versions of Pro-Tools on the other hand have been rock solid > > in my experience. So there are little excuses to Emagic for not > > getting up to speed. > > > > Most clients are now asking for Pro-Tools as they do not want to > > experiment extensive downtime while trying to fix Logic's crashes. I > > have the feeling that Logic will be pretty soon out of the picture > > if nothing is done to fix it! > > > > Thanks anyway, Logic still is a powerful package in my opinion. > > > > Regards > > Michel Gallone > > Sully Sound > > Switzerland > > > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

I totally agree, who needs aux power anyway when the core audio driver is good and the converters are, too? This is a Logic group but I think Digidesign are going the wrong way reserving their plugins to their own digi system. My thoughts go to RTAS and AS basically. They would get so much more money by leaving us the choice of a sequencer or a system. And AVID have had no idea of what to do since Final Cut Pro has become the leading software in Video Editing. And as AVID= Digi, that doesn't surprise me that their audio department have constantly taken the wrong decisions for 2 years and a half. Lolo > > What some folks assume is that there will be two choices: ProTools TDM > or Logic Native. There's another choice that Digidesign might unleash > someday: ProTools Native that has all the features of TDM except for > the hardware. In other words, if there becomes no reason to use > auxiliary cards because the host computer is more than powerful enough, > then Digidesign already has great software (not so much in the MIDI > department) to compete in a high-end native market. > > Does AVID have great software that can compete with FinalCut Pro > on a purely native basis?

Hey Ingo, It's just nice to meet a happy user. I'm running a G5 2x2 with OS 10.3.4, HD accel3, PT 6.4.2, LAP 6.4.2, and I'm about to jump ship. The only thing that's keeping me is I haven't had a chance to test the "RME Fireface". Theyr'e bragging about rediculously low latency. I just have too many problems too work creativly. Crashes evry half hour, EXS 24 unusable under ESB, Rewire even iffier than under OS 9. 1. All of this works great in my PB 1.5 ghz natively. 2. Pro Tools 6.4 works like a charm. Everything is pointing to Emagic not being able to solve these issues, they have known about them for a couple of months now. Looks to me, I have no choice but to go either to ProTools or go all native. And since I'm a Songwriter/Artist/Producer and not a engineer or mixer I'm leaning towards native. Be good, Erik > Hey Eric, > > realy not much outboard. I use an Apogge Mini for input and record most of my > stuff with > a Brauner VM1. Another thing for electric guitars I use is a Mesa Boogie > RectoPre. > > This week I am going to get a Focusrite Octopre for Dumrecordings. > > I know that there is nothing like good hardware but I just enjoy the > creativity of total > recall, and a workflow that allows make recording mixing and mastering sort of > all one > process. > > I also belive a good soung is mainly produced right on the instrument and with > the voice. > > What's your equipment? > > OS 10.3.4 > LAP 6.4 > G4 1.25mp > HD accel2 > > Ingo > > > > > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Erik Sojdelius <eriksojdelius@b...> wrote: >> Hey Ingo! What's your equipment apart from HD2? >> >> /Erik >> >>> Uuuhh, >>> >>> I love this discussion. >>> >>> I have to say, I worked on mix plus until 5 weeks ago. I also thought of >>> going >>> native and >>> tried it working natively. But latency is not a reason it is the reason for >>> me >>> to stay TDM. I >>> just can't stand latency. >>> >>> So i took the money and upgraded to HD accel2 although I was very sceptical. >>> But I have to >>> say HD kicks ass! >>> >>> Especially the new plugins like Octavox and the new Focusrite suite. (I >>> haven't tried Revibe >>> yet). >>> >>> I never compared Avid and FCP, but Native and TDM is just no comparison to >>> me. >>> >>> It is clear that Logic's main focus is not TDM. And I don't want to defend >>> neither Emagic >>> nor DIGI, but the whole unit in summary is doing an amazing job. >>> >>> So, I just hope ProTools stays on Apple, because I love my Macs. >>> >>> Ingo >>> >>> --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@g...> wrote: >>>> Jon Cotton <jon.sunflower@b...> wrote: >>>>> Re: your criticisms of native plugins, frankly that's a crock. >>>>> Altiverb sounds better than any TDM reverb I've heard, the Waves >>>>> package to me sounds identical on native, plus you've got 32 bit >>>>> float mixing which sounds better than the PT mix bus (maybe not on an >>>>> HD system). Equally Logic's own channel EQ sounds better than >>>>> Filterbank/Focusrite D2 and several others to my ears. The only ones >>>>> I haven't found a replacement for yet are Bombfactory Fairchild and >>>>> Echofarm. Which is pretty much all I use TDM for when mixing now. >>>> >>>> In addition, the perception that TDM sounds better than native >>>> is also because marketing-wise, there are more forces at work >>>> making crappy native plugins than there are ones making crappy >>>> TDM plugins. In fact, I can't think of any crappy TDM plugins >>>> in the same bushleague as some of the really crappy and amateurish >>>> native ones (probably more in the VST camp?). >>>> >>>> Native just has so much more crap associated with it, both in products >>>> and production. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What some folks assume is that there will be two choices: ProTools TDM >>>> or Logic Native. There's another choice that Digidesign might unleash >>>> someday: ProTools Native that has all the features of TDM except for >>>> the hardware. In other words, if there becomes no reason to use >>>> auxiliary cards because the host computer is more than powerful enough, >>>> then Digidesign already has great software (not so much in the MIDI >>>> department) to compete in a high-end native market. >>>> >>>> Does AVID have great software that can compete with FinalCut Pro >>>> on a purely native basis? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> f-erenc szabo, smarty pants >>>> Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T >>>> "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" >>>> <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> >>> >>> >>> >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Hi Eric, sad to hear. My friend uses the RME and he says he has no latency. He also says, that he worked in a studio with a mix plus system and if he would have the money, he would trade. I had HD accel for 5 Weeks now and I had only one crash so far. What's practically not working is the DTDM Multichannel outs, i agree. As I said, I don't want to defend Emagic, but Logic is a pretty big Spaceship. I also agree in that I don't want to spend my time with the technique, rather then the songs and the sounds. But at what moment in native mixing do you have to increase your buffer size to put in more plugins, What if you did so, and want to do more overdubs? I also wish that the communication with Emagic would be better and that would put more focus on Logic. I would like to use ProTools, because Audiowise it's so cool. But then I would loose all the LAP Instruments and the EXS. Plus Logic's midi somehow Grooves better (Even with just straight Quantising). I don't know why. Is there any way we can put pressure upon Emagic, to not loose us? So long Ingo --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Erik Sojdelius <eriksojdelius@b...> wrote: > Hey Ingo, It's just nice to meet a happy user. > > I'm running a G5 2x2 with OS 10.3.4, HD accel3, PT 6.4.2, LAP 6.4.2, and I'm > about to jump ship. > > The only thing that's keeping me is I haven't had a chance to test the "RME > Fireface". Theyr'e bragging about rediculously low latency. > > I just have too many problems too work creativly. Crashes evry half hour, > EXS 24 unusable under ESB, Rewire even iffier than under OS 9. > > 1. All of this works great in my PB 1.5 ghz natively. > 2. Pro Tools 6.4 works like a charm. > > Everything is pointing to Emagic not being able to solve these issues, they > have known about them for a couple of months now. > > Looks to me, I have no choice but to go either to ProTools or go all native. > And since I'm a Songwriter/Artist/Producer and not a engineer or mixer I'm > leaning towards native. > > Be good, > > Erik > > > > Hey Eric, > > > > realy not much outboard. I use an Apogge Mini for input and record most of my > > stuff with > > a Brauner VM1. Another thing for electric guitars I use is a Mesa Boogie > > RectoPre. > > > > This week I am going to get a Focusrite Octopre for Dumrecordings. > > > > I know that there is nothing like good hardware but I just enjoy the > > creativity of total > > recall, and a workflow that allows make recording mixing and mastering sort of > > all one > > process. > > > > I also belive a good soung is mainly produced right on the instrument and with > > the voice. > > > > What's your equipment? > > > > OS 10.3.4 > > LAP 6.4 > > G4 1.25mp > > HD accel2 > > > > Ingo > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Erik Sojdelius <eriksojdelius@b...> wrote: > >> Hey Ingo! What's your equipment apart from HD2? > >> > >> /Erik > >> > >>> Uuuhh, > >>> > >>> I love this discussion. > >>> > >>> I have to say, I worked on mix plus until 5 weeks ago. I also thought of > >>> going > >>> native and > >>> tried it working natively. But latency is not a reason it is the reason for > >>> me > >>> to stay TDM. I > >>> just can't stand latency. > >>> > >>> So i took the money and upgraded to HD accel2 although I was very sceptical. > >>> But I have to > >>> say HD kicks ass! > >>> > >>> Especially the new plugins like Octavox and the new Focusrite suite. (I > >>> haven't tried Revibe > >>> yet). > >>> > >>> I never compared Avid and FCP, but Native and TDM is just no comparison to > >>> me. > >>> > >>> It is clear that Logic's main focus is not TDM. And I don't want to defend > >>> neither Emagic > >>> nor DIGI, but the whole unit in summary is doing an amazing job. > >>> > >>> So, I just hope ProTools stays on Apple, because I love my Macs. > >>> > >>> Ingo > >>> > >>> --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@g...> wrote: > >>>> Jon Cotton <jon.sunflower@b...> wrote: > >>>>> Re: your criticisms of native plugins, frankly that's a crock. > >>>>> Altiverb sounds better than any TDM reverb I've heard, the Waves > >>>>> package to me sounds identical on native, plus you've got 32 bit > >>>>> float mixing which sounds better than the PT mix bus (maybe not on an > >>>>> HD system). Equally Logic's own channel EQ sounds better than > >>>>> Filterbank/Focusrite D2 and several others to my ears. The only ones > >>>>> I haven't found a replacement for yet are Bombfactory Fairchild and > >>>>> Echofarm. Which is pretty much all I use TDM for when mixing now. > >>>> > >>>> In addition, the perception that TDM sounds better than native > >>>> is also because marketing-wise, there are more forces at work > >>>> making crappy native plugins than there are ones making crappy > >>>> TDM plugins. In fact, I can't think of any crappy TDM plugins > >>>> in the same bushleague as some of the really crappy and amateurish > >>>> native ones (probably more in the VST camp?). > >>>> > >>>> Native just has so much more crap associated with it, both in products > >>>> and production. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> What some folks assume is that there will be two choices: ProTools TDM > >>>> or Logic Native. There's another choice that Digidesign might unleash > >>>> someday: ProTools Native that has all the features of TDM except for > >>>> the hardware. In other words, if there becomes no reason to use > >>>> auxiliary cards because the host computer is more than powerful enough, > >>>> then Digidesign already has great software (not so much in the MIDI > >>>> department) to compete in a high-end native market. > >>>> > >>>> Does AVID have great software that can compete with FinalCut Pro > >>>> on a purely native basis? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> f-erenc szabo, smarty pants > >>>> Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T > >>>> "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" > >>>> <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >>> Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Joe, I never intended to get into a personal "I like this plugin better that that plugin" war..... And it aint my job to tell u which plugs to use u deceide that. But this discussion "to me" starts to sound like a PC user who is trying to convince a Mac user that his PC from Bill MuthaFucka Gates is the surpreme Dream Machine... This platform has turned into an "I wanna bitch about Protools and use NAtive" verbal war! Here is my advice and I am going to put it like Mr. NIKE said: JUST DO IT.... There is also a Logic OT group why dont you just join that group and talk about native all day.... No body is forcing anyone 2 use Digidesign HArdware... I like constructive critics not destructive... Try solving problems instead of always critizesing 'em... Write emagic and you'll find that they are more than willing to listen if However your critic is objective and offending sounding.... :-) Joe Cotton wrote: > Re: your criticisms of native plugins, frankly > that's a crock. > Altiverb sounds better than any TDM reverb I've > heard, the Waves > package to me sounds identical on native, plus > you've got 32 bit > float mixing which sounds better than the PT mix bus > (maybe not on an > HD system). Equally Logic's own channel EQ sounds > better than > Filterbank/Focusrite D2 and several others to my > ears. The only ones > I haven't found a replacement for yet are > Bombfactory Fairchild and > Echofarm. Which is pretty much all I use TDM for > when mixing now. > > J __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Hi Jon - I agree with your point that latency during tracking is one way TDM hardware beats the native options. You say you only use a couple TDM plugins when mixing and you work mostly in native. How do you set up for mixes ­ just in TDM or with native stuff active too? I¹ve been nervous about mixing with ESB, so I¹ve been bouncing all tracks to audio before mixing. Do you do that too or do you have good results letting the native plugins run during the mix? * Dave On 7/28/04 7:26 AM, "logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com" <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Here 80% of the computer problems we have are Protools related - DSP > chips not freeing themselves up, PT running out of chips when there's > 2 free - but the wrong kind, -6042 errors etc etc. By comparison, > native just works, you can mix millions of types of plugins without > running into 'one type per chip' barriers, you can freeze, plugins > instantiate immediately. > > The only thing keeping me using our mix system is the lack of latency > when tracking and a couple of plugs. Otherwise I'm now working > entirely in native. > > Re: your criticisms of native plugins, frankly that's a crock. > Altiverb sounds better than any TDM reverb I've heard, the Waves > package to me sounds identical on native, plus you've got 32 bit > float mixing which sounds better than the PT mix bus (maybe not on an > HD system). Equally Logic's own channel EQ sounds better than > Filterbank/Focusrite D2 and several others to my ears. The only ones > I haven't found a replacement for yet are Bombfactory Fairchild and > Echofarm. Which is pretty much all I use TDM for when mixing now. > > J > -- > > > Jon Cotton