>I think the fact that all the internal keys are imprinted with two >functions in addition to being color-coded more than makes up for the >inefficiency, if you want to see it that way. The PowerKeys overlay >only identifies functions on the periphery of the keyboard. Obviously you do not understand the Powerkeys concept. in the Logic Keyboard you only have one or 2 functions per key. In Powerkeys you get up to 5 functions per key (in some keys). The design of Powerkeys is like having 5 keyboards in one depending which modifier you use. Who is the inefficient?? >The PowerKeys overlays were designed for the old Apple ADB keyboards >that had a lot of room on top and in-between. These days, the only >keyboard they'll fit on to my knowledge is the Macally iKey, and they >don't fit that keyboard all that well (the labels along the bottom >will be crooked because of the bump by the Macally space bar which is >also inconvenient because it sticks out and won't let you slide a gel >pad squarely up to the keyboard. For your information the Logickeyboard uses the same keyboard (ikey from macally) The bottom labels fit well in my keyboard. Maybe you install them incorrectly. > >I believe PowerKeys was also designed before automation was beefed up >on Logic, so you don't have the nice convenient group of automation >keys (normally help, home page up, page down, and and del on a normal >keyboard). They have an update for Logic 6.x since long time ago were all the new automation, grouping and hiding features are included in very easy keystrokes. >Another thing I don't care for with PowerKeys is that too many >important functions are assigned to the "F" keys, with and without >modifiers. It was probably convenient to do that back with the old >Apple keyboard because there was ample space to stick the big label. >Nowadays, keyboards are more compact, so having the functions >imprinted on the keys is a better solution, IMO. Again, all the keys are used in the Powerkeys Keycommands. Not only the Fkeys but the Qwerty keyboard as well. And the concept that applies to the F keys applies to the Qwerty keys as well carefully organized per layer and so they are easy to remember (S-solo, R- Replace, etc) Emagic actually used the Powerkeys 80% of the powerkeys keys for Logic's default keycommands since 4.x. Maybe the Logic Keyboard adapts better to your way of working, which is ok, but the Powerkeys keycommands is designed for power users that want to take full advantage of the program and goes much deeper because it addresses every part of the program (midi, editing, audio, score) while the Logickeyboard address just the basics... -- Daniel Hamuy http://www.powerkeys.com

Hi, Is there a way to use a DTDM plug-in (i.e. Space Designer) on an Input Object track which is set to DAE? I have the Input Object bringing in audio from a midi instrument. Setting the Input Object to DTDM doesn't work and I don't know a successful way to route the Input Object to a DTDM object so it's plugs will work. Setting my Outputs to DTDM also doesn't seem to receive the Input Objects output. Can this be done short of bouncing the midi track (which I'd like to avoid) and working with it as an audio track? Thanks, Cobb

Daniel Hamuy wrote: >Obviously you do not understand the Powerkeys concept. >in the Logic Keyboard you only have one or 2 functions per key. >In Powerkeys you get up to 5 functions per key (in some keys). >The design of Powerkeys is like having 5 keyboards in one depending >which modifier you use. Daniel, you're simply misinformed about LogicKeyboard keys having just one or two functions per key. They have MUCH more. Two functions are labeled per key (on the top and side of the key), but with modifiers (like PowerKeys), individual keys have up to *eight* functions as opposed to five for PowerKeys. For instance, the "9" key, color coded purple is: 9: Link Window (same level) 9 + ctrl: Create Marker 9 + shift: Create Marker without rounding 9 + Command: Delete Marker 9 + option: Open Marker List 9 + ctrl + option: Open Marker List as float 9 + ctrl + shift: Open Marker Text 9 + ctrl + option + Command: Open Marker Text as Float If you actually get to check out a LogicKeyboard sometime, you might be amazed. It's a very deeply engineered product, and the people who devised it obviously put a lot of thought into it. For most of us, if we can assimilate the two functions actually printed on each key, we'll really increase our efficiency. For the power user, however, the sky's the limit with the LogicKeyboard. Many more functions are mapped to keys than with PowerKeys, and the organization is very logical - especially with the color coding. Personally, I really like and need the reminders and color coding on the keys. I've used many different key command sets with various applications over the years, and it's all still in my brain. The color coding boosts speed and confidence. It's also nice that where possible, LogicKeyboard adheres to key assignments that seem to be industry standards (like "3" for record rather than the "*" key in PowerKeys). >For your information the Logickeyboard uses the same keyboard (ikey >from macally) Wrong again. I have one right in front of me, and it's a standard Apple USB keyboard from Apple. http://www.logickeyboard.com/shop/default.asp?SetLng=2&BypassShopClosed= 1 >The bottom labels fit well in my keyboard. Maybe you install them incorrectly. When I installed the PowerKeys labels on my Macally iKey, I had to make extra cuts on the labels that fit below the space bar (that bulges out) and paste them on at an angle. The overlay was definitely not designed for the iKey. Lee Blaske

> On Jun 25, 2004, at 2:43 PM, "Jon Cotton" <jon.sunflower@b...> > wrote: > > > Yup, the differences between 6.3.3 and 6.4.2 are fairly subtle. > > I know that. I was thinking they might go the stupid way and change the song > format in Pro so any previous version won't open the file (exactly the way > MOTU does with DP). Thank goodness they didn't do it, so I can work > efficiently under both systems. Thanks Jon and all. > Best, > Andy That is why DP has "save as" previous versions It is however a pain to open a session to resave as an older one...... but at least the options are there to do it

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, phattbeatz@a... wrote: > I dont think this has anything to do with the DTDM or DAE. I logic on 2 > systems, 1 with DTDM and DAE, and the other at my apartment with just the Core > Audio. > This happened to me, and i am quite pissed about it. But this happened with > my Core Audio system, not the other. > So, we may be looking for something else that is causing the problem. I agree > with the REX and EXS possibilities. But I dont think it has anything to do > with the DTDM or DAE drivers. > > Pete > > I think you're right, it's not the drivers, but disabling DTDM will allow me to get the plugin out of there. I believe it's the EXS instrument setting. I'm curious, since you're also having the problem, what versions of Logic and Mac OSX are you using?

I don't know of any fixes, but I too have these two problems. For me, I get away with just reinstantiating ESB on one channel and then resetting the Direct Connect outputs. As for the Klop-clik I just have to change it's ESB output to another out then back to what I had to get it going again. Both of these things are real buzz-kills especially when I have a room full of musicians. Frank --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Tom Swift <tomswift@o...> wrote: > I posted this to the LUG, but received no replies. I'm hoping someone here > might know. > I'm having a problem with ESB disconnecting. It'll work fine until Logic is > quit and restarted. Then, about half of the time, I have to reinstantiate > the ESB plugs on my aux channels in order to get my EXS stuff to feed into > HD. > Any fixes out there? > Also- Klopfgeist loves to stop working until reinstantiated as well. PITA! > Are these bugs? or have I missed something? > G4 933 SP running LogicPro 6.4 -sys 9.22 -HD > > Tom Swift > Swift Kick Productions

I am having a horrible time moving a section without losing the automation... I tried the splice:insert snipped part as SPL... but the automation is not carried over to the next part... basically I want to copy the first chorus (bar 9-16), with all the automation to bar 32... any simple way of doing this without losing the automation? r.

No. :-( Sometimes it works, but mostly not. The same chaos happens when you change tempi after having automation written. You could try editing the automation folder... Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "rushme666" <ps2sux2@...> To: <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: [L-TDM] Moving section WITH Automation. > I am having a horrible time moving a section without losing the automation... I tried > the splice:insert snipped part as SPL... but the automation is not carried over to the > next part... > > basically I want to copy the first chorus (bar 9-16), with all the automation to bar > 32... any simple way of doing this without losing the automation?

one way we found... is to pack entire section into folder, copy folder to location desired, then upack folder... seems to maintain all automation... --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Duemmler" <merlin@m...> wrote: > No. :-( > Sometimes it works, but mostly not. > The same chaos happens when you change tempi after having automation > written. > > You could try editing the automation folder... > > Peter > --- > http://www.merlinsound.de > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rushme666" <ps2sux2@h...> > To: <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:35 PM > Subject: [L-TDM] Moving section WITH Automation. > > > > I am having a horrible time moving a section without losing the > automation... I tried > > the splice:insert snipped part as SPL... but the automation is not carried > over to the > > next part... > > > > basically I want to copy the first chorus (bar 9-16), with all the > automation to bar > > 32... any simple way of doing this without losing the automation?

Are many people using PT 6.4 with Logic Pro yet? Does it seem more or less stable than PT 6.2.3? Are any of the various cs releases of 6.4 better or worse for use with Logic? Lee Blaske

Just noticed this, and I wonder if anyone else knows what it's about. In the Logic prefs, when you set up the voices/dsp to be used with Logic, there are two choices for 128 voices/4 DSP chips. I just experimented with the second, and upon relaunching Logic, I got a message that DAE required 73 MB, and that I needed to reboot the computer. Anyone know what the difference between the two 128 voice 4 DSP options might be? Could this be an Accel thing? Lee Blaske

I'm more stable. JS On Jun 29, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Lee Blaske wrote: > Are many people using PT 6.4 with Logic Pro yet? Does it seem more or > less stable than PT 6.2.3? Are any of the various cs releases of 6.4 > better or worse for use with Logic? > > Lee Blaske > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

>I'm more stable. Jan, you're the one brave soul I've seen post about this. I guess I'm going to have to be number two, and try harder. Lee Blaske

Lee, I've had a chance to push it pretty hard in the last 2 weeks as far as recording audio is concerned and it's pretty solid. I was having plenty of 9060 errors and "Try to Save Your Song" stuff, now they are few and far between - ( still crossing my fingers ) . I do not have ESB issues, but I only run 5-8 instances of ESX and only one or two soft synths. I find the automation to be fairly reliable - good enough and easy work arounds. My plug in settings are now coming up as saved. I'm much happier now and I assume it will hold. JS PT 6.4, Logic 6.3.3 ( I have all of the Logic Plugs including Space Designer, so I guess it's really Logic Pro) Dual 1.25, OSX 10.3.2 On Jun 29, 2004, at 7:26 PM, Lee Blaske wrote: >> I'm more stable. > > Jan, you're the one brave soul I've seen post about this. I guess I'm > going to have to be number two, and try harder. > > Lee Blaske > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

Hey Lee, I think it's fairly more stable for me. At least it's not worse than the cs2 I used before. I seem to have less crashes nowadays, my ESB issues are still there though. It's funny but it seems like my system is happier with the CoreAudio 6.5 too. I don't understand what it could do for the LP/PT thing. Cheers, Erik G5 2x2, 10.3.4, LP 6.4.2, PT 6.4, etc. > Are many people using PT 6.4 with Logic Pro yet? Does it seem more or > less stable than PT 6.2.3? Are any of the various cs releases of 6.4 > better or worse for use with Logic? > > Lee Blaske > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

It Disconnects Also with earlier version on OSX Sometimes it doesn't disconnect and starts to crunch everything, and there's no way to make it work again until you have restarted the application (i've tried also removing and relaunching DTDM from audio-hardware) It happens usually when i use reaktor with some heavy instruments... It Happens Also when i have lot of EXS24 on TDM mixer, maybe it uses the same routines as DTDM (as it was on logic on OS9,Direct connect)....

Hi All, i'm really pissed off about it, and you (users) can do nothing except sending some e-mails to support@... asking the same thing i'm asking right now... I own reaktor and kontakt, all OSX NI Stuff are HTDM, is 1 year i waiting sirs from emagic to add support for them, you can plug-in on tdm mixer but you do not have the ability to control them because no input is created on the midi input list.. It is so difficult to add it? what the hell!!!! I've bought logic pro only for updates, i have already esx-esb- evoc20 and es2 so this payed update brings me NOTHING NEW (yeah space designer, but is useless until is htdm) You have done 1 update since last year, and honestly is changed fuckin nothing, same crashes, same bugs.... WAKE Uuuppppp I DO NOT ACCEPT YOUR NEW POLICY, IF YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE BUYING YOUR STUFF YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE US THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON IT. Anyway, ADD SUPPORT FOR NI STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (so i can buy the NI KOMPLETE) Bye! ;)

> On the other hand, you could search for a retail copy of the (now discontinued) Host TDM > Enabler, which would allow you to insert the ES1/ES2/EVP88/EVB3/EVD6 instruments and > Space Designer plug-in into the DAE mixer directly. Host TDM is the most stupid thing emagic has did, i've tried it (os9) and you can't plug ES2 and other stuff on TDM mixer in LOGIC, but ONLY IN PRO-TOOLS SO STUPID!!!! lol

You´re kidding, no? Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de From: "r1cky3ff3" <tiger@...> > Host TDM is the most stupid thing emagic has did, i've tried it > (os9) and you can't plug ES2 and other stuff on TDM mixer in LOGIC, > but ONLY IN PRO-TOOLS > > SO STUPID!!!! lol

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Duemmler" <merlin@m...> wrote: > You´re kidding, no? > > Peter > --- > http://www.merlinsound.de > > From: "r1cky3ff3" <tiger@n...> > > > Host TDM is the most stupid thing emagic has did, i've tried it > > (os9) and you can't plug ES2 and other stuff on TDM mixer in LOGIC, > > but ONLY IN PRO-TOOLS > > > > SO STUPID!!!! lol No, unfortunately i'm not joking, i was interested on both discontinued products HostTDM and EPIC, so i've tried them on OS9, The EPIC was good but later i hear the price (900€ for some plugs that i already have? WTF!!!) and i've gived up, The Host TDM works fine in pro-tools, but inside logic it's totally useless, i will never understand them....

I am using Mac OSX 1.2.8 and Logic 6.3.3..... I cant even open the song to find the problem...it is really upsetting because the song that is corrupt is one of my favorites...and i really want to finish it..... im just using the core audio driver...so i cant disable the DTDM to get it to open... im kinda screwed...... ive brought it into work before...and opened it here..and re-saved it......and then opened it at home..... do you have any suggestions? Im still not sure what plugins and stuff to get rid of.... i need my EXS sampler though, cause that the is bulk of the song....any other stuff i can delete? Thanks, Peter

>Host TDM is the most stupid thing emagic has did, i've tried it >(os9) and you can't plug ES2 and other stuff on TDM mixer in LOGIC, >but ONLY IN PRO-TOOLS > >SO STUPID!!!! lol Do your Emagic synth plug-in stuff using ESB (or a third party card as some people are now doing). If you want to bring things over to mix on the TDM side, Freeze the tracks (offline bounce in 24 bits) and drag them over to TDM tracks. So simple. Lee Blaske

>Hi All, i'm really pissed off about it, and you (users) can do >nothing except sending some e-mails to support@... asking the >same thing i'm asking right now... > >I own reaktor and kontakt, all OSX NI Stuff are HTDM There are also AU versions of the NI plug-ins. Have you tried those? Lee Blaske

Just thought I'd mention this, in case anyone else runs into a similar situation... I ran into a spate of crashing with Logic 6.4.1 and PT 6.2.3, usually upon opening a second song (not concurrently) after launching Logic. I did the usual Logic and Digidesign prefs trashing and rebuilding, but the problem was still there. What fixed the problem was changing the Audio Engine set-up from PT. I switched to a different voice count than I normally use, then switched back, and now everything is stable once again. I think there might be something a little funky in the Audio Prefs in Logic with regard to voice count/dsp chips used. I think it's possible that some of the choices are not valid (as I mentioned in an earlier post, there are two 128 voice/4 dsp options). My speculation is that setting up the playback engine from ProTools gives you the correct current choices for the DAE engine. It's probably best to set up the playback engine there. Lee Blaske

>I'm more stable. > >JS That's good to hear. My copy of PT 6.4 should be coming today. I'll report back. I guess my feeling is that there will be no more bug fixes from Digidesign for pre-6.4 ProTools. So if anything is fixed, it'll be fixed in 6.4 or a subsequent cs release. I also don't think Digidesign is testing pre 6.4 PT with the latest Mac OS version. Lee Blaske