--- Lee Blaske <lblaske@...> ªº¶l¥ó¤º®e¡G> >Any news about Logic will support ProTools 6.4?? lot of new feature in DAE... > > From what I've heard, ADC will only work within PT, not Logic or > Digital Performer. > > Lee Blaske So logic will implement their own ADC under DAE or it never happen. ====-- Thanks and regards, Bobo Mark Producer Contact: bobo@... For and On behalf of Music 2000 **************************************************************************** May Music Move Your Heart

On 4/25/04 2:46 AM, "logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com" <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hey! Do you mean I could install an earlier version without having to > re-install Pro-Tools, Logic etc ? > > /Erik > >>> >> >> >> Greetings: >> >> Digi has not qualified 10.3.3 for Pro Tools yet. The DAE 6.2.3 PT installer >> readme file says to use 10.3.2. Before I upgraded I asked PT tech supt >> about that and they confirmed PT is not ready for 10.3.3. >> >> Using the software update system preference pane will install 10.3.3. >> Instead, use the updater you can download from Apple to install 10.3.2 after >> using the Panther CD to install an earlier version. >> >> - Dave I'm not positive, but I think you can. First get the donwload versions of the updater to 10.3.2. Then use your original Panther installer CD to restart, then do an "archive and install" which would move your current system to the Previous System folder so you could get it back in case of a problem. Install Panther that way, then run the downloaded updater. I don't think it will change anything in your Library that is not OS X files, but if it does, then those files would be moved to the Previous System folder as part of the archive process in which case you would need to copy them back. If you have copy-protected programs that do not use iLok or XSKey, those might need to be re-authorized. I have to give a disclaimer, I've used archive and install, but I've never gone backwards in OS X release number. If it doesn't work as I've described you might need to re-install your apps, and of course your should back up your data before fiddling around with your disk. - Dave -- -- David Gordon Composer/Producer www.sequoiarecords.com

David Gordon wrote: >Digi has not qualified 10.3.3 for Pro Tools yet. The DAE 6.2.3 PT installer >readme file says to use 10.3.2. Before I upgraded I asked PT tech supt >about that and they confirmed PT is not ready for 10.3.3. "Qualified" and "works" are two different things. As far as I know, Digidesign hasn't qualified MIX hardware for 10.0 Panther yet, but it works fine. "Qualified" means that they've tested it to work. -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

I should add that the subtext of my last post is that I wouldn't revert to 10.3.2 if you're running 10.3.3. It's very unlikely to solve any problems. -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

>I mean there are tons of bugs that emagic themself should see when >using Logic only a bit. >It´s scary that they release such versions at all. Dear all, Some of the other betatesters and I have been compiling a master-list of outstanding bugs. If you'd like to create an organised list here, we'll add anything we've not thought of to our list which goes direct to the developers. Best wishes, Jon -- Jon Cotton music production and string arranging http://www.stringarranging.com http://www.artisan-audio.co.uk

On 25/04/2004, at 11:11 PM, rushme666 wrote: > yikes... what is the solution then for doing what I want to do? solo > a bunch of channels and do some editing on a part? what is everyone > doing for this? > > the track solo works great (as it does not get UNDONE by commandz) > but I will have to open mixer and solo EVERY channel involved all the > way to the output channel... very tedious... > > any suggestions would be appreciated... > If you command click the track mute buttons in arrange all tracks get muted. Then simply unmute the tracks you want to hear and edit away. These mute settings will not be affected buy the solo undo bug. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

Anytime I try to import an OMF file from Protools, Logic sends a " Bento Container Error ". Works fine under OS9. Any ideas ?

Thanks Jon. Let's all keep this list concise and ensure that our individual systems are set up correctly before contributing. Perhaps Jon you could start by showing the list of already known issues, and we can add to it... rather than everyone listing many of the same bugs? Tony Dear all, > > Some of the other betatesters and I have been > compiling a master-list of outstanding bugs. If > you'd like to create an organised list here, > we'll add anything we've not thought of to our > list which goes direct to the developers. > > Best wishes, > > Jon

On 4/26/04 2:40 AM, "logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com" <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > David Gordon wrote: > >> Digi has not qualified 10.3.3 for Pro Tools yet. The DAE 6.2.3 PT installer >> readme file says to use 10.3.2. Before I upgraded I asked PT tech supt >> about that and they confirmed PT is not ready for 10.3.3. > > "Qualified" and "works" are two different things. As far as I know, > Digidesign hasn't qualified MIX hardware for 10.0 Panther yet, but it > works fine. "Qualified" means that they've tested it to work. > -- > > Nick Batzdorf > 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:45:27 -0700 > From: Nick Batzdorf <recording@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Has anyone tried OS 10.3.3? > > I should add that the subtext of my last post is that I wouldn't > revert to 10.3.2 if you're running 10.3.3. It's very unlikely to > solve any problems. > -- > > Nick Batzdorf > 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434 You may well be correct on both of those Nick. I was just relaying what the Digi tech told me. - Dave -- -- David Gordon Composer/Producer www.sequoiarecords.com

Hi folks, looking for thoughts & opinions here. I've been a happy Logic TDM user for many years. My system is old by today's standards, but it works. My current setup: G4 500 (single) Logic and a Mix++ system. Although I do all my composing and music production in Logic(TDM), when it comes time to deliver music for TV post production it's all Pro Tools. So up till now it's never been a problem since both coexist on the same computer rather well. I was getting ready to make the big leap to Logic/PTHD/G5/OSX until I started reading the posts on this board, which quite frankly have scared the hell out of me... I just spoke with a Logic user whom I regard as very knowledgeable. His opinion is that the most stable way to use Logic/G5/OSX with audio is to use the MOTU hardware 2408 mkIII. He said Logic runs solid and sounds good ( not to mention the lower price tag). So one solution is to have 2 systems. One running Logic/MOTU (for music production) & one running ProTools (for post production). I really don't want to do this, I would much rather continue to use Logic/TDM but from what I'm gathering I'm not sure that will ever be a solid viable platform again... Thoughts? Opinions? Ed A.

Hi Ed, I just did the move you are considering. I have been a very happy Logic/TDM user for years. I was forced to consider a change because my Mix system died, couldn't replace it, so went for the HD G5 OSX option. I did, because of the expense of the Digi upgrade, try MOTU first, as you have been advised. And while it all worked well and sounded fine (and the price was right), latency is something I have never had to deal with before - and in my own opinion the summing of audio still sounds (feels) better with Digi as the engine. I think it depends on how you use your system. There are certainly issues using plug in synths etc and ESB. The crashes etc I get seem sporadic and I can't really pin them down to any one issue. However I have now been using the new system (G5 1.6 single, OSX, Logic Pro, Protools HD1) for a month or so, and for tracking/mixing etc it is performing well. Is there a future for Logic/Digi systems? Let's see how Emagic and Digi respond to the bug list we are presenting here. Best of luck. Tony --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "ealton04" <edlogic@p...> wrote: > Hi folks, looking for thoughts & opinions here. I've been a happy > Logic TDM user for many years. My system is old by today's > standards, but it works. My current setup: G4 500 (single) Logic > and a Mix++ system. Although I do all my composing and music > production in Logic(TDM), when it comes time to deliver music > for TV post production it's all Pro Tools. So up till now it's never > been a problem since both coexist on the same computer rather > well. > I was getting ready to make the big leap to Logic/PTHD/G5/OSX > until I started reading the posts on this board, which quite frankly > have scared the hell out of me... > I just spoke with a Logic user whom I regard as very > knowledgeable. His opinion is that the most stable way to use > Logic/G5/OSX with audio is to use the MOTU hardware 2408 > mkIII. He said Logic runs solid and sounds good ( not to > mention the lower price tag). So one solution is to have 2 > systems. One running Logic/MOTU (for music production) & one > running ProTools (for post production). > I really don't want to do this, I would much rather continue to use > Logic/TDM but from what I'm gathering I'm not sure that will ever > be a solid viable platform again... Thoughts? Opinions? > > Ed A.

Tony, Thanks for your informative reply. MOTU's latency and weak summing are 2 good reasons to perhaps stick with TDM in the hopes that the bugs will be worked out in the future. In my current system G4/OS9/Logic/TDM I use the ESB and aside from an occasional crash it seems to work well, however a friend of mine was able to configure a work around by not using the ESB, instead using a MOTU interface (as well as DAE/TDM) and then channeling his VST stuff out of the computer into the MOTU then that going back in through his PT hardware. This might be an option.. The TDM plugin fader malfunction thing sounds rather serious, is this common across the board with all users? Ed

Heya Ed, The ESB workaround sounds interesting. Maybe you could pick up a cheap MOTU or alternative card (Delta or the like) and do that, while still using TDM. I don't think the summing is necessarily weak when going native - I just think Digi is better. Separation with mixes, to my ears, is better, especially when applying lots of EQ/FX etc. The system seems to handle more data in a more efficient way. I haven't experienced the TDM fader problem. The bugs I experience seem to be an overall instability within the whole system. Friends have told me Logic Pro running native is like this anyway... so it may not be only a TDM problem. I certainly have lots of graphics problems, windows sticking, distorted etc. Seems that OSX and Logic lock horns in this area, which sounds like Logic programming problems. Keep us posted on how you go. Tony --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "ealton04" <edlogic@p...> wrote: > Tony, > > Thanks for your informative reply. MOTU's latency and weak > summing are 2 good reasons to perhaps stick with TDM in the > hopes that the bugs will be worked out in the future. In my current > system G4/OS9/Logic/TDM I use the ESB and aside from an > occasional crash it seems to work well, however a friend of mine > was able to configure a work around by not using the ESB, > instead using a MOTU interface (as well as DAE/TDM) and then > channeling his VST stuff out of the computer into the MOTU then > that going back in through his PT hardware. > This might be an option.. > The TDM plugin fader malfunction thing sounds rather serious, > is this common across the board with all users? > > Ed

Bump, if i'm allowed. --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "pinesandcoal" <pinesandcoal@h...> wrote: > I recently started using Logic on a TDM rig and have tried opening native > sessions from a different computer on the TDM one. For some reason my > plug-ins and EXS settings aren't showing up in the DTDM mixer. I've used the > Project Manager to install the project with all the samples and sample > instruments. Is there something I'm missing?

Philipp, just as a confirmation, the same thing happens on my system. To be honest, I hadn't even thought of this as a bug, though. But then, I'm used to the olden days when you didn't dare change ANYTHING while a song was playing! I'm just grateful Logic doesn't CRASH when I touch a fader! ;) - Mike Greene --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Philipp Schweidler <mailinggroups@s...> wrote: > hello list, > > here's the answer i got from waves regarding this meter-weirdness in lamp: > > Using Logic 6.4.1 all Digidesign and Bomb factory(Along with Waves > Plug ins) freeze the meters in Logic when Mouse down on Slider. > So Mac DSP might be exception. > > Waves TDM Plug ins are tested on Pro tools and Logic TDM however this > behavior is part of Digidesign SDK. > Fixing it in Logic might "brake" it up in Pro tools and other hosts. > > I think this needs to get addressed by emagic. > > > > great.... just made the transition to os x and i enter beta-tester-land > (yeah, as expected, to be honest....;-) > > regards- philipp > >

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "ealton04" <edlogic@p...> wrote: > . . . The TDM plugin fader malfunction thing sounds rather serious, > is this common across the board with all users? > > Ed Ed- As I hinted at in a previous reply to Philipp, I don't think this is too serious. The meters are frozen only while you are holding down the mouse button. Once you let go, the meters are working normally again. Speaking only for myself, it's no big deal. The crashes in OSX on the other hand are very annoying. - Mike Greene

> This was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I've given up > with Logic TDM OSX it's a total *&%$ing joke. I've gone back to OS9 > and haven't had a crash in 3 days. I got the bento box error last > week, the same day logic crashed 3 times under 3 different > circumstances within half an hour while I was with a new client. I've > reinstalled the OS the apps repaired disk permissions blah blah > blah.... It's simply is not a professional option. How can emagic > honestly claim that Logic pro 'supports' TDM. It's really is a sad > state of affairs. > > mish > On 26/04/2004, at 12:02 PM, wonderlandaudio wrote: > >> Anytime I try to import an OMF file from Protools, Logic sends a " >> Bento >> Container Error ". Works fine under OS9. Any ideas ? >> >> >>

Hi all, For some reason I seemed to have missed the original post by Jon - or was it cross-posted or something? But the master bug list idea sounds very much like the list I started to compile a week ago; a couple of people emailed me additions privately. I'd be happy to send the list to Jon; makes no sense to do double work. Still seems a good idea to send the list to both Emagic and Digidesign to me, along with a short note mentioning the growing concerns about the way their collaboration seems to be heading. I agree with Tony on keeping the list concise. Bye, Ivo > Thanks Jon. > > Let's all keep this list concise and ensure that our individual systems are > set > up correctly before contributing. > > Perhaps Jon you could start by showing the list of already known issues, and > we can add to it... rather than everyone listing many of the same bugs? > > Tony > > Dear all, >> >> Some of the other betatesters and I have been >> compiling a master-list of outstanding bugs. If >> you'd like to create an organised list here, >> we'll add anything we've not thought of to our >> list which goes direct to the developers. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jon > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

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>I was getting ready to make the big leap to Logic/PTHD/G5/OSX >until I started reading the posts on this board, which quite frankly >have scared the hell out of me... >I just spoke with a Logic user whom I regard as very >knowledgeable. His opinion is that the most stable way to use >Logic/G5/OSX with audio is to use the MOTU hardware 2408 >mkIII. Why not RME instead? I haven't seen any recent shoot-outs, but RME has traditionally been the low latency king. They really seem to be bringing out some incredible products these days. Emagic and MOTU are fierce competitors (just like Apple/Emagic and Digidesign). RME and Emagic don't have conflicting interests yet (although rumors of a PT killer Apple hardware solution keep cropping up). Personally, I'm going to keep using TDM with Logic until I can go with a Logic only system (plus a number of outboard PC sampler/softsynth/processors and hardware verbs). I'm usually paid by the project, and I definitely don't want to get into dealing with two sessions and sets of files (PT and Logic) for every project. To me, that sounds like a real productivity killer (especially for projects that need a lot of revisions). Lee Blaske

> Why not RME instead? I haven't seen any recent shoot-outs, but RME > has traditionally been the low latency king. They really seem to be > bringing out some incredible products these days. > > Emagic and MOTU are fierce competitors (just like Apple/Emagic and > Digidesign). RME and Emagic don't have conflicting interests yet > (although rumors of a PT killer Apple hardware solution keep cropping > up). > > Personally, I'm going to keep using TDM with Logic until I can go > with a Logic only system (plus a number of outboard PC > sampler/softsynth/processors and hardware verbs). I'm usually paid by > the project, and I definitely don't want to get into dealing with two > sessions and sets of files (PT and Logic) for every project. To me, > that sounds like a real productivity killer (especially for projects > that need a lot of revisions). Seems many people including myself consider getting rid of logic (not me), or their PT hardware (just like me a couple of days ago). You know, I still have a mix (4 cards) system with a 882 interface, I still work in 16/44.1. 2 days ago I found out a solid workaround in order to be able to enjoy the new stuff in mac os X without getting rid of my PT/OS9. So, I just connected my Powerbook that runs panther to my M-Audio FW410, and connected the latter through midi. Right now, I'm enjoying the stability of reaktor session and many others on os X, played through midi from my PT/OS9/UNITOR system. It works like a charm... Really I don't want to upgrade before a long time on my Powermac. And my powerbook has enough native power to run as many instruments as I want. Just my 2 eurocents. Lolo

Has anyone tried PT 6.4 yet? Any experiences with Logic Pro together with it? Will I dare try it, allthough I doubt things can't get messier than it is right now(Logic Pro+ PT 6.2.3) Shout Outs, Erik

has anyone been able to use a multichannel esx24 in tdm. If it is possible at all, how does it work?

Hey! Sorry, not possible. That'd be my nr 1 wish, now that the ESB is so buggy. Hold fast, Erik > has anyone been able to use a multichannel esx24 in tdm. If it is > possible at all, how does it work? > > > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

"phillpop2000" <philldyson@...> writes: >has anyone been able to use a multichannel esx24 in tdm. You can only use MultiChannel EXS24 in native AudioInstrument tracks (DTDM for example). f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>