Does somebody saw this small bug making the mouse pointing somewhere under the desired point of the arrow? ie: in the arrange window when you click on a part ,, the mouse selects the part right underneath. really disturbing. G5 2 X 2 Ghz / Logic 6.3.2 celmar engel

So you actually runs logic 6.3.2 on Panther using which DAE? Don't you have problems with distortion on the ESB channels? Kind Regards Stig Christensen visit http://www.sc-musik.dk/ -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Dave Dever [mailto:daviddever@...] Sendt: 28. november 2003 17:00 Til: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com Emne: [L-TDM] Re: [GEN] G4+Panther+Logic 6.3.2+mix+ --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Stig Christensen" <sc@s...> wrote: > I have been considering the move from 9.2.2 to osX for a long time. Now I > have tried to install both 10.2.8 and Panther 10.3.1 on my G4 SP 933 mhz. > After a bit of testing I encounter problems with distortion on my ESB > channels in Panther and I think that the OS need a bit more power, leaving > less for my VST's and lower performance. > > I have been reading similar post from other members of this list, so my > question is simple: Is it possible to use OSX when your hardware is a G4 933 > mhz and a mix+ system? It is possible, and it does work, provided you prepare in advance. Multiple drives or partitions is by far the way to go. The usual caveats about plug-in authorizations, etc., under OS X apply. Read the FAQs for more info. I use two separate partitions for OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) and OS X 10.3 (Panther), inasmuch as Mix Plus systems are not yet supported with Panther. A separate internal drive is used for streaming Giga (and other in-house) samples into EXS24 TDM. In my two or three days' experience with 6.3.2 and Panther, though, it seems to work alright, with the odd result that Logic crashes upon Quit (not a big deal, IMHO, as I've got a longer attention span these days). David Dever G4 867 MHz, 512 MB RAM OS X 10.2 / 10.3 / 9.1.2 PT 24|MIX core + 2 MIX farms, 2 x 1622 + 888|24 I/O Atto UL3D + 2 x Avid 36 GB + 2 x Digi 18 GB SCSI drives 2 x AMT 8 interfaces Logic Platinum 6.3.2 + ESB / EXS 24 + HTDM / EVP 88 / EVB3 SoundDiver 3.05 FXpansion VST Wrapper + Attack + PPG 2.V NI FM7 + Reaktor Novation V-Station Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

On Friday, November 28, 2003, at 09:29 PM, audiobuff wrote: > I don't think there is a tdm version of mach 5. Only rtas, therefore > you > only c it in pt. And as au in logic >> I can't for the life of me get MachFive TDM operational with Logic >> Audio under Mac OS X. I instantiate MachFive (TDM), but the MachFive >> MIDI channels don't seem to be "published" anywhere in Logic. I can >> use >> it as an Audio Unit but I want to use the TDM version. There is most definitely a TDM version. As I said, I can get it working in Logic and ProTools under OS 9, and in ProTools under OS X, but not Logic under OS X. Ian ------------------------------ Ian G. Morris - Tonewright ian@... www.igmusic.co.nz

Hi Dave - What do you mean by EXS24 TDM? I thought EXS24 only works on Audio Instrument channels and uses ESB to get to the TDM channels. Am I missing something - is there an EXS that inserts right into a TDM channel? Thanks, David G On 11/28/03 8:46 AM, "Dave Denver" <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > A separate > internal drive is > used for streaming Giga (and other in-house) samples into EXS24 TDM.

Yes! You can instanciate EXS24 on a AUX channel in the TDM mixer. Kind Regards Stig Christensen visit http://www.sc-musik.dk/ -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: music-pro [mailto:music-pro@...] Sendt: 28. november 2003 19:48 Til: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com Emne: Re: [L-TDM] Digest Number 1547 Hi Dave - What do you mean by EXS24 TDM? I thought EXS24 only works on Audio Instrument channels and uses ESB to get to the TDM channels. Am I missing something - is there an EXS that inserts right into a TDM channel? Thanks, David G On 11/28/03 8:46 AM, "Dave Denver" <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > A separate > internal drive is > used for streaming Giga (and other in-house) samples into EXS24 TDM. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

>Hi Lee, I just went to order those products but they don't ship >international............a problem with Aerosol products. Have any >Australians on the list seen these products available? I'd send Caig a quick email. Surely, they must have an Australian distributor. Lee Blaske

> Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:47:37 -0800 > From: music-pro <music-pro@...> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1547 > > Hi Dave - > > What do you mean by EXS24 TDM? I thought EXS24 only works on Audio > Instrument channels and uses ESB to get to the TDM channels. Am I missing > something - is there an EXS that inserts right into a TDM channel? > > Thanks, > David G Hi, If u have ESB and EXS24 you can open EXS on a TDM Aux Channel, without having to detour thru a DTDM Track. Greets Xaver

> If u have ESB and EXS24 you can open EXS on a TDM Aux Channel, > without having to detour thru a DTDM Track. Where DTDM won´t work when you don´t have ESB. ;-) Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

The advantage to the TDM EXS24s is that they're in addition to the 64 regular ones, so you have more inputs into the TDM mixer. > From: music-pro <music-pro@...> >Subject: Re: Digest Number 1547 > >Hi Dave - > >What do you mean by EXS24 TDM? I thought EXS24 only works on Audio >Instrument channels and uses ESB to get to the TDM channels. Am I missing >something - is there an EXS that inserts right into a TDM channel? > >Thanks, >David G > > > > >On 11/28/03 8:46 AM, "Dave Denver" <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> A separate >> internal drive is > > used for streaming Giga (and other in-house) samples into EXS24 TDM. -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

Cool - I tried that and it works fine. Much cleaner - thanks. - David G On 11/29/03 6:31 AM, "logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com" <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 00:35:46 +0100 > From: "Stig Christensen" <sc@...> > Subject: SV: Digest Number 1547 > > Yes! > > You can instanciate EXS24 on a AUX channel in the TDM mixer. > > Kind Regards > Stig Christensen > visit http://www.sc-musik.dk/

I managed to get rid of it by removing the Host TDM extension. It wasn't properly authorized and it was giving me a "critical error" on startup. Anyway, I decided I wasn't going to need it, got rid of it and all of the sudden my pointer worked again. On Nov 29, 2003, at 9:31 AM, logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Subject: Pointer bug ? > > Does somebody saw this small bug making the mouse pointing somewhere > under the desired point of the arrow? > ie: in the arrange window when you click on a part ,, the mouse selects > the part right underneath. > really disturbing. > G5 2 X 2 Ghz / Logic 6.3.2 > > celmar engel

Hello all, Has anyone managed to get rid of the 'unexpectedly chrashed' message Logic gives when quitting in 6.3.2, OSX 10.3.1, PT 6.2.2, G5 d2g? Any suggestions would be good... have already rebuilt autoload, dumped prefs / repaired privs etc.

Hi everybody At the moment I'm working on a QS 867 w Mix3 and OS9 (and Logic). I was about to upgrade to PTHD, but now I find myself in a situation where I wish to become a lot more flexible, I´m probably gonna need two setups and ultimately I wanna be able to work only on a laptop which I can jack out at one place and bring to the other without having to convert sessions between native and TDM. I'm thinking of replacing my PT system with one of these DSP equipped, 0% processorload soundcards, and also a UAD-1 and a TC Powercore FW (so I can use some of my favourite plugs) combined with an as powerfull powerbook there is, and a G5. issues: -CPU load: At the moment I'm allready working a lot with instruments in Direct TDM, using the brilliant "freeze" function and I suppose there wouldn't be much difference in a native setup, except much more power with a G5. -Track counts: from what I've heard I should be able to run about a 100 tracks, BUT: does the new RME DSP cards or Metric-Halo DSP interfaces really don't use any CPU power at all? Any other recommendations? -Plug-ins: I know I won't be able to use Virus and a couple of other plugs, but I can live with that. What about the UAD-1 and TC Powercore FW, do they work well? I know they got some latency, but that doesn't seem like a big problem to me, since I'm used to compensating for that in ProTools anyway. -Sound quality: Some people say ProTools sounds better, but theoretically, shouldn't it be the same really? I mean it's all digital... and most of the plugs are the same. Can anybody spread a little light here please? If PT sounds better, I would like to know why, and if there is a working method in a native setup that would optimize the sound quality, like doing small mixdowns with less CPU load rather than adding all the signals at once in a big mix. Feel: does the computer become really sluggish when you do your last vocal takes way past family dinner time? Stability: Will it run for days without inexplicable crashes? So what do you guys think, anybody tried a switch like this yet? happy? Well, suppose I shouldn't ask on the TDM list :-), but there is no exTDM list (yet). What I feel are the Main advantages with a native setup are: -quicker startups and switches between sessions -only one Core Audio mixer so I can keep the plugin format, tracks etc. when I bring up sessions in my Powerbook. -mix and match stereo formats and bit depths -economy -bright future All the best / Henrik

Still in OSX I'm experiencing the problem with EXS-24 I've been ranting about before in OS9. It doesn't load files if you put over a certain amount of files in the Sampler Instruments folder. Some people have been suggesting this is a Mac OS limitation, any light on this, anybody? Thanks / Henrik

I heard a rumor that Space Designer would be around the $1600 here in Australia. What is it selling for in the US? Phil Buckle.

In a message dated 11/29/03 6:05:23 PM, info@... writes: > So what do you guys think, anybody tried a switch like this yet? happy? > Well, suppose I shouldn't ask on the TDM list :-), but there is no > exTDM list (yet). > > Well the biggest problem I've found going Native is that you can't use ProTools software in a lot of scenarios.......ie Powercore and Metric Halo are 2 I know of......On a 1.6 G5 CPU resources get used up really quickly-especially with a few soft synths and the wonderful SpaceDesigner.Freeze is cool -but it takes time and cuts down on the "flow"And latency is still an issue. The setting of 128 for the Logic buffer that i need to be happy in terms of latency is way smaller than the large number that TC works recomends on their website for optomizing their card -2 thousand something as i recall. I guess you can use the smaller number when you record and switch to the higher one when you mix, but I haven't got that far yet.ie. I'm waiting for the PowerCore to be delivered as we speak.That said-If you don't push it too far Logic Native is quite remarkable and certainly points the way for the future. Joel Mofsenson

Hi - Has anyone received the error message from Logic "Too many controls need to be updated"? I was mixing down a simple session tonite with a few audio tracks using simple automation of volume only - but the session was long, around 60 minutes. At 50 minutes into the mix Logic stopped and gave an error box with the above message and no other details. The preallocation length of the record file was set to 68 minutes. The resulting sound file was OK up to around 30 minutes, then had random silent segments of a minute or two each, until the point where it stopped completely. System: OS X 10.2.6, Logic 6.3.1, Pro Tools 6.1, PowerMac G4 Dual 1G, !G RAM Any ideas of what this problem is? Thanks, David

I believe it's $495.00 in catalogue On Saturday, November 29, 2003, at 05:27 PM, phil buckle wrote: > > I heard a rumor that Space Designer would be around the $1600 here in > Australia. What is it selling for in the US? > Phil Buckle. > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

I acted on the advice of Peter at "PS.Musik" and I think I've gotten to the bottom of my slow Logic problems in OSX. It's the autoload that I've been using for years This autoload also came across from OS9. So I made a new one and that problem of the jerky editing disappeared straight away. So it's worth noting that the Autoload can get corrupted. Thanks for the tip Peter. Phil Buckle.

PrjStd@... writes: > the biggest problem I've found going Native is that you can't use >ProTools software in a lot of scenarios.......ie Powercore and Metric Halo ProTools LE and ProTools TDM software can only be used with Digidesign hardware. Digidesign made very sure that PT LE couldn't use any 3rd party DSP assistance or audio i/o because that would take sales away from their high end TDM rigs. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!"

phil buckle <pbuckle1@...> writes: >I heard a rumor that Space Designer would be around the $1600 here in >Australia. What is it selling for in the US? I don't know about America, but here in Toronto it's CDN$500 It hasn't shipped yet, but it'll be available from Saved By Technology. web: www.savedbytechnology.com email: sales@... I work there part-time answering worldwide email and doing tech support. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!"

From: ESP Music AB huvudkonto <info@...> >Still in OSX I'm experiencing the problem with EXS-24 I've been ranting >about before in OS9. It doesn't load files if you put over a certain >amount of files in the Sampler Instruments folder. Some people have >been suggesting this is a Mac OS limitation, any light on this, anybody? Yes, it's an OS X limitation. I don't know whether Emagic is addressing it, but you'll see third-party solutions shortly. -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

Now I'm happy again :-) Any more hints? Cheers /Henrik On söndag, nov 30, 2003, at 16:32 Europe/London, Nick Batzdorf wrote: > From: ESP Music AB huvudkonto <info@...> > >> Still in OSX I'm experiencing the problem with EXS-24 I've been >> ranting >> about before in OS9. It doesn't load files if you put over a certain >> amount of files in the Sampler Instruments folder. Some people have >> been suggesting this is a Mac OS limitation, any light on this, >> anybody? > > Yes, it's an OS X limitation. I don't know whether Emagic is > addressing it, but you'll see third-party solutions shortly. > -- > > Nick Batzdorf > 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434 > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "f-erenc szabo" <zerobeat@g...> wrote: > Digidesign made very sure that PT LE couldn't use any 3rd > party DSP assistance or audio i/o because that would take > sales away from their high end TDM rigs. If FXpansion releases the VST-->RTAS adaptor this will change. They say they have tested the Powercore and UAD-1 converted RTAS plugs in PT 6 with success. Danny

On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 04:17 PM, music-pro wrote: > Hi - > > Has anyone received the error message from Logic "Too many controls > need to > be updated"? > > I was mixing down a simple session tonite with a few audio tracks using > simple automation of volume only - but the session was long, around 60 > minutes. At 50 minutes into the mix Logic stopped and gave an error > box > with the above message and no other details. The preallocation length > of > the record file was set to 68 minutes. The resulting sound file was > OK up > to around 30 minutes, then had random silent segments of a minute or > two > each, until the point where it stopped completely. > > System: OS X 10.2.6, Logic 6.3.1, Pro Tools 6.1, PowerMac G4 Dual 1G, > !G > RAM > > Any ideas of what this problem is? > I don't have any ideas based on experience of any similar problem, but the circumstances would lead me to look at an overloaded memory system. How long had it been since the computer was restarted before the session ? Had you been running ProTools at the same time as Logic since the last restart ? In OS X Virtual memory is an integral part of the memory management system. VM works on a system of Swap Files. During any up-time period, if the memory system has a lot of demands placed upon it, the number of swap files can grow, from bits of what is being stored in RAM being 'paged out' to VM. If you start getting to many page-outs, and too many swap files, performance can suffer to the point where memory-intensive tasks can start to fail. Especially if they are prioritized to run in real time, as is the case with a lot of DAW operations. Normally this is not a situation you would encounter very often on a system such as yours, but I have observed that running two DAWs together, at the same time, can grow the number of swap files fairly quick. [I'm talking hours and days, not minutes, so I'm not suggesting not to do it, just be aware of the consequences and act accordingly] Anyway, swap files don't go away when you shut down the apps. they persist till you reboot the computer. If my guess is right, or in any case, I can recommend a handy utility called MemoryStick, which you can find on versiontracker or macupdate. It's worth getting for the memory management tutorial in it's help file, alone. MemoryStick will give you an indicator on your desktop, so that when the memory system is getting overloaded, you can pick an opportune time to restart the computer. I hope this helps, Dave Eager