Does anyone have problems with Pitch Doctor used as a plug on a DAE channel within Logic. Mine simply doesn't work - it works fine in Protools. Have contacted Digi and they have no idea. It is legitimate software. G4 HD2 etc etc Cheers __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

>I'm guessing that since the Magma host card ( in my G4) that leads >to an expansion >chassis housing my Mix plus core and DSP farm cards is "Universal" >(supporting both >3.3 and 5 volts, it should work in the G5 - the question is, will >the Pro Tools DAE >drivers work on the G5??? That's a gamble you'll have to take. Digidesign has announced that the older 5 volt cards won't work in G5's, so unless they change their mind and decide to support the older cards in expansion chassis, you'll be working without a net. Perhaps it will work, but nobody will guarantee that it will, and if there are problems, nobody will be working to fix them. At this point, if you had older Digidesign equipment and really wanted to upgrade to a G5, I think you'd be better off ditching the Digidesign stuff in favor of a higher quality A/D D/A converter, and going totally native. I think you could count on such a system working more dependably. PT hardware + TDM + Logic + OSX + plus a pile of third party plug-ins and soft synths/samplers is really starting to scare me. It's a taller and taller house of cards waiting to topple. Will they ever get everything to work correctly? AudioSuite within Logic hasn't worked for ages. I really thought upgrading to OSX would give me that back, but no such luck. I still crash immediately when clicking "Preview." In a way, I'm personally stuck, because I've got an HD6 system with four 192's, plus a lot of money invested in plug-ins. If I had it to do over today, I really think I'd see how far I could go with just a DP G5 and some decent convertors (no PowerCore, either). I'd invest the extra cash in a few quality outboard pieces. I think there's really something to be said for keeping things simple. I've really frittered away a ton of time testing and troubleshooting my system that could have been spent more productively. The day I finally get everything squared away in my massive system will probably be the day I keel over and get hauled away for a nice long dirt nap. Skip the grief. Don't gunk things up with a variety of third party products that don't interface all that well with your core system. Buy a DP G5, and stick with Logic and AU plug-ins. Freeze, or print tracks that use a lot of DSP. Make music. Enjoy life. Less is more. Lee Blaske

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Lee Blaske <lblaske@p...> wrote: > >I'm guessing that since the Magma host card ( in my G4) that leads > >to an expansion > >chassis housing my Mix plus core and DSP farm cards is "Universal" > >(supporting both > >3.3 and 5 volts, it should work in the G5 - the question is, will > >the Pro Tools DAE > >drivers work on the G5??? > > That's a gamble you'll have to take. Digidesign has announced that > the older 5 volt cards won't work in G5's, so unless they change > their mind and decide to support the older cards in expansion > chassis, you'll be working without a net. Perhaps it will work, but > nobody will guarantee that it will, and if there are problems, nobody > will be working to fix them. > > At this point, if you had older Digidesign equipment and really > wanted to upgrade to a G5, I think you'd be better off ditching the > Digidesign stuff in favor of a higher quality A/D D/A converter, and > going totally native. I think you could count on such a system > working more dependably. > > PT hardware + TDM + Logic + OSX + plus a pile of third party plug- ins > and soft synths/samplers is really starting to scare me. It's a > taller and taller house of cards waiting to topple. Will they ever > get everything to work correctly? AudioSuite within Logic hasn't > worked for ages. I really thought upgrading to OSX would give me that > back, but no such luck. I still crash immediately when clicking > "Preview." > > In a way, I'm personally stuck, because I've got an HD6 system with > four 192's, plus a lot of money invested in plug-ins. If I had it to > do over today, I really think I'd see how far I could go with just a > DP G5 and some decent convertors (no PowerCore, either). I'd invest > the extra cash in a few quality outboard pieces. > > I think there's really something to be said for keeping things > simple. I've really frittered away a ton of time testing and > troubleshooting my system that could have been spent more > productively. The day I finally get everything squared away in my > massive system will probably be the day I keel over and get hauled > away for a nice long dirt nap. > > Skip the grief. Don't gunk things up with a variety of third party > products that don't interface all that well with your core system. > Buy a DP G5, and stick with Logic and AU plug-ins. Freeze, or print > tracks that use a lot of DSP. Make music. Enjoy life. Less is more. > > Lee Blaske Gee Lee, You're sounding a little demoralized these days.......You know the funny thing is I've been a Logic User for over 10 years, and a real fan of Emagic, but like you said, features have piled up so thickly around the "all can do" LAP lately with things like Rock Solid and Quality pushing ever further into the background. Like I find the ongoing AudioSuite thing just a f*cking joke at this stage of the game. With so much money invested in HD3 and all plugs and Emagic soft+Extensions, Emagic must be out of their minds to think this behaviour is acceptable. I mean how stupid and tolerant do they think their hi paying pro clientelle is? Point is Emagic made me pay 100% for an extension that since V5 is broken and not fully functional. Lee I admire your tolerance and patients in you comments regarding issues, but doesnt this "little" example BUG you to no end. Is it not perhaps a representation of the general tendency of EMagic's attitude towards TDM users in the future? Maybe not, but it is DEFINITELY not cool. So you know what, last week I dabbled in Protools software for the first time. 6.1 on OSX to be exact. And I was just blown away at the speed and intuitiveness of the whole thing. Midi timing was rock solid when playing RTAS softsynths live and on playback. I had this great feeling of SOLID and responsiveness under the hood again that I have lost over the years with Emagic. Well the midi implimentation isnt quite there yet but it is more than usable for basic midi recording and triggering, much imroved in 6.1. If ESX24 would run as a standalone inside TDM I think I would jump ship. I of course I am so dependent on my Logic Setup for work, but it is good to know that Digidesign have really made a huge step forward with their software. Peter

Peter wrote: >Like I find the ongoing AudioSuite thing just a f*cking joke at this >stage of the game. With so much money invested in HD3 and all plugs >and Emagic soft+Extensions, Emagic must be out of their minds to >think this behaviour is acceptable. I mean how stupid and tolerant do >they think their hi paying pro clientelle is? Point is Emagic made me >pay 100% for an extension that since V5 is broken and not fully >functional. Lee I admire your tolerance and patients in you comments >regarding issues, but doesnt this "little" example BUG you to no end. >Is it not perhaps a representation of the general tendency of >EMagic's attitude towards TDM users in the future? Maybe not, but it >is DEFINITELY not cool. It certainly does bug me, but I wouldn't be too quick to point the finger of blame at Emagic. Remember, AudioSuite worked with PT 5.3, but then was broken with 5.3.1. It could well be that Digidesign is playing a little game behind the scenes, keeping things somewhat flawed and hoping that it will drive users into switching to PT as their main application. With Apple acquiring Emagic, and with the competition that FCP is giving Avid, I can't imagine that the relationship between the two companies is great. Staying totally within Logic (without TDM) or totally within the land of PT is certainly going to be a smoother ride. If the cooperation was there, I'll bet things could work very well, but I'm wondering if we'll ever get to that place. Lee Blaske

Hi list, sorry for the off-topic post. I´m moving to HD therefore i sell my loved Mix+ System. I also have a USD not listed in the offer. you find it under: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3344290295&ssPageN ame=ADME:B:LC:DE:1 <http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3344290295&ssP ageName=ADME:B:LC:DE:1> best and thanks, René

Hello. To me it's quite obvious what is going to happen and Lee was sort of the first one to lift the blade from his mouth. Emagic/Apple want to take the driving seat and get into control of something which is one of the few very profitable realms within the software industry. But as all of we know it's not all about software, it has never been and will most likely not in a foreseeable future. Until Emagic/Apple comes up with a dedicated pro audio solution, no latency! Digidesign and other pro-audio hardware manufacturers will be out of the red, but what happen that day there is a real option with I/O matching or surpassing the performance (audio quality, latency etc) that of a PT system of today. Should we just hope and pray that Digidesign continue to develop their core audio driver (at least we have good ad/da) or switch to do all of our programming needs in PT? Or is it back to two worksations for the ones that still feel PT:s midi is sorry excuse of incompetence? (I actually get along nice doing midi arr in pt now but it can be better) How many tracks could you run native with a g5 dual processor again??? Markus Den 03-08-24 17.39, skrev "Lee Blaske" <lblaske@...>: > Peter wrote: > >> Like I find the ongoing AudioSuite thing just a f*cking joke at this >> stage of the game. With so much money invested in HD3 and all plugs >> and Emagic soft+Extensions, Emagic must be out of their minds to >> think this behaviour is acceptable. I mean how stupid and tolerant do >> they think their hi paying pro clientelle is? Point is Emagic made me >> pay 100% for an extension that since V5 is broken and not fully >> functional. Lee I admire your tolerance and patients in you comments >> regarding issues, but doesnt this "little" example BUG you to no end. >> Is it not perhaps a representation of the general tendency of >> EMagic's attitude towards TDM users in the future? Maybe not, but it >> is DEFINITELY not cool. > > It certainly does bug me, but I wouldn't be too quick to point the > finger of blame at Emagic. Remember, AudioSuite worked with PT 5.3, > but then was broken with 5.3.1. It could well be that Digidesign is > playing a little game behind the scenes, keeping things somewhat > flawed and hoping that it will drive users into switching to PT as > their main application. With Apple acquiring Emagic, and with the > competition that FCP is giving Avid, I can't imagine that the > relationship between the two companies is great. > > Staying totally within Logic (without TDM) or totally within the land > of PT is certainly going to be a smoother ride. If the cooperation > was there, I'll bet things could work very well, but I'm wondering if > we'll ever get to that place. > > Lee Blaske > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

> >I know f-erenc is fully aware of this, but just to be obnoxiously >clear: you should be able to run a "native driver in tandem with the TDM/DAE driver" without ESB - in other words, you >can run an ASIO >(usually) card and a TDM system simultaneously. Tim had this working before, if I understand right, so something else is >wrong. >But anyone who does this is really missing out, because ESB is sehr kuhl. Hey Nick/all, There is a scenario where an asio/core audio card has benefits over esb. If you want to live process via an aux a signal with a native plugin (a vocoder springs to mind, like evoc) you cannot do this with the esb as far as I am aware. I used to have a multiface in my Mac (until I went to OSX) to allow this, but now I have gone esb I cant find a away to do it. Ah well, I prefer the stability of a 1 card solution to be honest. jr

> It certainly does bug me, but I wouldn't be too quick to point the > finger of blame at Emagic. Remember, AudioSuite worked with PT 5.3, > but then was broken with 5.3.1. It could well be that Digidesign is > playing a little game behind the scenes, keeping things somewhat > flawed and hoping that it will drive users into switching to PT as > their main application. With Apple acquiring Emagic, and with the > competition that FCP is giving Avid, I can't imagine that the > relationship between the two companies is great. Point taken Lee, I can well imagine Digi playing some lame political game, same reason we dont see RTAS in LAP or more than 8 ins for ESB. It is just VERY annoying when the victim of all this is the stupid client who never ceases to dish out horrendous amounts of cash. If I bought a new car which was advertised to have air-conditioning and after It turns out the entire series had a defect in the AC, and for whatever reason the manufacturer didnt recall and fix this, there would be lawyers running around all over the place . WHY should this be any different. My hardware and software is worth a pretty slick car. Didnt Emagic have to pay Digi for the code to implement TDM... It just frustrates me to no end that people like us who have invested so much money to try and put together the finest DAW, are subject to such stupid and childish politics. People in software get away with murder sometimes...... Enough RiffRaff....got a mix to do Peter

Basic MIDI feature request: Would like to be able to select an area of time in the Matrix Edit window and cut/copy/paste not just note data but controller data as well. Example - I record a MIDI piano part with sustain pedal. moving parts around ion the matrix editor orphans the sus pedal from the note data. Same could be said of any performance gestures on the pitch bend, mod wheel, etc. In StudioVision (or DP I believe) one could choose to select just notes, or could select across a region of time to include all data within the track. In fact, on could keep the Strip Chart/controller view open below the notes (a la Hyperdraw in the Matrix) and chose to display multiple controllers, and select particular ones. In Logic, cut/copy/paste of the Hyperdraw is totally independent of the note data. This was even doable back in Master Tracks Pro days . . . Jonathan Perl Sonic Arts Center @ CCNY http://sonic.arts.ccny.cuny.edu "Make Sound Your World"

Lee wrote: > > It certainly does bug me, but I wouldn't be too quick to point the >> finger of blame at Emagic. Remember, AudioSuite worked with PT 5.3, >> but then was broken with 5.3.1. It could well be that Digidesign is >> playing a little game behind the scenes, keeping things somewhat >> flawed and hoping that it will drive users into switching to PT as >> their main application. With Apple acquiring Emagic, and with the >> competition that FCP is giving Avid, I can't imagine that the > > relationship between the two companies is great. Yah, right Lee. Dave Lebolt (head of Digidesign) calls a meeting of his engineering staff. Strutting back and forth, he takes the horsewhip he was holding under his arm and periodically smacks himself on the thigh: "Ladies and gentlemen, from now on you're going to produce buggy code so that [twitch twitch] Emagic users will absolutely hate the way our hardware works with their software and then switch to only using our production software instead of their composition software [maniacal laugh]. AudioSuite? I want it to poop uncontrollably all over every system that isn't running Pro Tools exclusively. "All personnel with an IQ over 90 are redundant, effective immediately. We want bad code, not good engineering. Got that!? "What did you say? What does the fact that Avid's stock hit an all-time high last week have to do with any of this?! Repeat after me: We hate FCP, therefore we hate Emagic! Again! Louder! Good. You're completely fired!" -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

Nick wrote: >Yah, right Lee. > >Dave Lebolt (head of Digidesign) calls a meeting of his engineering >staff. Strutting back and forth, he takes the horsewhip he was >holding under his arm and periodically smacks himself on the thigh: > >"Ladies and gentlemen, from now on you're going to produce buggy code >so that [twitch twitch] Emagic users will absolutely hate the way our >hardware works with their software and then switch to only using our >production software instead of their composition software [maniacal >laugh]. AudioSuite? I want it to poop uncontrollably all over every >system that isn't running Pro Tools exclusively. I'm sticking to the conspiracy theory, Nick. In all the time I've been using PT and Logic (Mix, HD, OS9 and OSX), there have only been brief moments when AudioSuite worked. If it's not planned, it's simply a matter of neglect which is effectively just as bad. Lee Blaske

Nick, Your answer to this email had me on the floor laughing! Great Wit! Your Fan, Jan On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 06:41 PM, Nick Batzdorf wrote: > > Yah, right Lee. > > Dave Lebolt (head of Digidesign) calls a meeting of his engineering > staff. Strutting back and forth, he takes the horsewhip he was > holding under his arm and periodically smacks himself on the thigh: > > "Ladies and gentlemen, from now on you're going to produce buggy code > so that [twitch twitch] Emagic users will absolutely hate the way our > hardware works with their software and then switch to only using our > production software instead of their composition software [maniacal > laugh]. AudioSuite? I want it to poop uncontrollably all over every > system that isn't running Pro Tools exclusively. > > "All personnel with an IQ over 90 are redundant, effective > immediately. We want bad code, not good engineering. Got that!? > > "What did you say? What does the fact that Avid's stock hit an > all-time high last week have to do with any of this?! Repeat after > me: We hate FCP, therefore we hate Emagic! Again! Louder! Good. > You're completely fired!" > -- > > Nick

On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 08:16 PM, Jan Stevens wrote: > > Nick, > > > Your answer to this email had me on the floor laughing! Great Wit! > > > Your Fan, Dittos! LOL! Best, Andy

you might have to step back a level to the arrange page and do the editing there ...--- On Mon 08/25, Jonathan Perl &lt; jonperl.public@... &gt; wrote: From: Jonathan Perl [mailto: jonperl.public@...]To: logic-users@yahoogroups.com, logic-tdm@...: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:05:53 -0400Subject: [L-TDM] Feature request - Basic MIDI functionality, reduxBasic MIDI feature request:Would like to be able to select an area of time in the Matrix Edit window and cut/copy/paste not just note data but controller data as well. Example - I record a MIDI piano part with sustain pedal. moving parts around ion the matrix editor orphans the sus pedal from the note data. Same could be said of any performance gestures on the pitch bend, mod wheel, etc.In StudioVision (or DP I believe) one could choose to select just notes, or could select across a region of time to include all data within the track. In fact, on could keep the Strip Chart/controller view open below the notes (a la Hyperdraw in the Matrix) and chose to display multiple controllers, and select particular ones. In Logic, cut/copy/paste of the Hyperdraw is totally independent of the note data.This was even doable back in Master Tracks Pro days . . .Jonathan PerlSonic Arts Center @ CCNYhttp://sonic.arts.ccny.cuny.edu"Make Sound Your World"UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@... email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Uh, Nick, Are you done with that horse whip yet? Bob Vandiver

Have you selected the "include non-note events" function in the matrix window menu? When this option is selected, the controller data moves with the notes in the matrix window. Dean Bailin --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Iain Gill" <Metatronic@e...> wrote: > you might have to step back a level to the arrange page and do the editing there ...--- On Mon 08/25, Jonathan Perl &lt; jonperl.public@v... &gt; wrote: > From: Jonathan Perl [mailto: jonperl.public@v...]To: logic-users@yahoogroups.com, logic-tdm@y...: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:05:53 -0400Subject: [L-TDM] Feature request - Basic MIDI functionality, reduxBasic MIDI feature request:Would like to be able to select an area of time in the Matrix Edit window and cut/copy/paste not just note data but controller data as well. Example - I record a MIDI piano part with sustain pedal. moving parts around ion the matrix editor orphans the sus pedal from the note data. Same could be said of any performance gestures on the pitch bend, mod wheel, etc.In StudioVision (or DP I believe) one could choose to select just notes, or could select across a region of time to include all data within the track. In fact, on could keep the Strip Chart/controller view open below the notes (a la Hyperdraw in the Matrix) and chose to display multiple controllers, and select particular ones. In Logic, cut/copy/paste of the Hyperdraw is totally independent of the note data.This was even doable back in Master Tracks Pro days . . .Jonathan PerlSonic Arts Center @ CCNYhttp://sonic.arts.ccny.cuny.edu"Make Sound Your World"UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@y... email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > >

Hi All, Been pulling my hair out for a while. Ever noticed that when you view SMPTE time line at the top of your arrange window and open a giant SMPTE view, you move your timeline and the giant SMPTE view doesn't match the SMPTE time line marks at the top of the arrange page..? The SMPTE view in the transport window changes to the next SMPTE frame before the timeline gets onto the next line at the top of the arrange...Very annoying if you are trying to line things up to SMPTE frames.!!! After much fiddling around with different systems and XS keys etc...it seems a bug caused if you have "view without SMPTE bits" on in the preferences !!.. Turn on the view SMPTE bits and all is fine !!! Come on boys at emagic, been using your stuff since C-LAB Creator simple things to correct first please. Regards Laurence Cedar ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." Ken Olson, president, chairman, and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977.

Hey Jan, >Your answer to this email had me on the floor laughing! Great Wit! > > >Your Fan, > >Jan In all fairness, Jan, I didn't really want to make light of Lee's frustration - at least not at his expense. It's just that I was having so much fun, I couldn't help myself... -- ___ Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, fax -5434, cell 818/601-4874

My screen flickers (very fast "zapp" distortion on the screen) once and awhile... let´s say one time in each 5 minutes... nothing crashes or anything like that, but it surely is "something going on"... The weird thing is that I cannot remember this happened in logic 5.5 plat. I have installed a new gfx card (nvidia geforce4 dual)... but this does N O T happen when I boot up the SAME machine from my regular "internet partition". It definitely seem to be the audio system partition that have this problem... Anyone else noticed anything like this?. Thanks. Modularmoog.

Nick wrote: >In all fairness, Jan, I didn't really want to make light of Lee's >frustration - at least not at his expense. > >It's just that I was having so much fun, I couldn't help myself... Yeah, you should watch that. These forums are serious business, you know. So, how much Digidesign stock are you holding? Lee Blaske

hey guys is there a way to loop a segment of automation? say like a pan pot that's bouncing left and right a bunch? thanks, charles

On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 09:21 AM, Nick Batzdorf wrote: > In all fairness, Jan, I didn't really want to make light of Lee's > frustration - at least not at his expense. Well, it didn't sound (to me at least) as if you wanted to. > > It's just that I was having so much fun, I couldn't help myself... Yeah, and all of us with good sense of humor had a really good time reading it. Best, Andy

on 27/8/03 11:43 pm, Charles Spencer at spencer@... wrote: > hey guys is there a way to loop a segment of automation? say like a pan > pot that's bouncing left and right a bunch? > > thanks, charles > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > hi Charles, The way i've found is to just draw a peice of blank space using the pen tool on the area of automation and copy it where you want. this then copies the automation too. make sure you go to Automation settings (under settings i think) and set that to "Always Ask" when copying. It can be a pain as it asks you if you want to copy the automation every time, but just as this time you want to copy automation, next week you may not! Hope this helps Tim

>Nick wrote: > >>In all fairness, Jan, I didn't really want to make light of Lee's >>frustration - at least not at his expense. >> >>It's just that I was having so much fun, I couldn't help myself... > >Yeah, you should watch that. These forums are serious business, you know. > >So, how much Digidesign stock are you holding? > >Lee Blaske Precisely none, unfortunately! I had some a few years ago, went for a roller coaster ride, and ended up breaking even. In general, someone could make a fortune by watching how I invest...and then doing the opposite! -- ___ Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, fax -5434, cell 818/601-4874

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Andy Hardwake <digitalmechanics@m...> wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 09:21 AM, Nick Batzdorf wrote: > > > In all fairness, Jan, I didn't really want to make light of Lee's > > frustration - at least not at his expense. > > Well, it didn't sound (to me at least) as if you wanted to. > > > > It's just that I was having so much fun, I couldn't help myself... > > Yeah, and all of us with good sense of humor had a really good time > reading it. > > Best, > > Andy But, seriously, Nick. Are you done with the whip yet? Bob Vandiver