> simply don't mix 16 with 24? That is advised, when using DAE... 32Bit Float is not a familiar option to me and DAE as well, Nikolaus Sieveking nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen <niko@...>

> From: "bob_vandiver" <bobv@...> >Thinking this trough a little more provokes the next question. By >creating "split stereo file[s] at the same bit depth" does this mean >not using the EXS24/Logic at 32 bit float as ProTools/TDM does not >utilize this format, rather instead all should be at 24 bit? or >simply don't mix 16 with 24? native tracks (and tracks processed via ESB) may peacefully co-exist at mixed bit depths (eg, 16 & 24) (so long as ya only bounce them via a native output). DAE tracks cannot do this, and must remain consistent with the DAE 'session' bit depth; this 'session' bit depth is set in its dedicated place within the 'Audio Hardware & Drivers'-menu. best, splattercell

This spawns a question for me as I use the DTDM and DAE Mixer all the time.... I route alot of channels through the Aux and out to my main board via 9-16 (output). Is there an easier way to add TDM plugins to the DTDM mixer channels? So far I just either send it to an alternate aux (stereo channel) and apply it there, or re-bus it. But that leaves me with using 4 stereo ESB plugins to get all my individual parts to my board and I want as many as possible. It cuts down more and more as I want to put the TDM waves eq on the channels, rather than the logic faq eq. On that note, how much memory does each ESB session plugin (mono and stereo) take up on the DSP chip. Anyone know? Any trickers? Thanks, Kyle N Swara Sound/ Vancouver.B.C ----- Original Message ----- From: <texture444@...> To: <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: [L-TDM] Re: Talk about your basic newbie questions.... > > > From: "bob_vandiver" <bobv@...> > > >Thinking this trough a little more provokes the next question. By > >creating "split stereo file[s] at the same bit depth" does this mean > >not using the EXS24/Logic at 32 bit float as ProTools/TDM does not > >utilize this format, rather instead all should be at 24 bit? or > >simply don't mix 16 with 24? > > native tracks (and tracks processed via ESB) may peacefully co-exist at mixed > bit depths (eg, 16 & 24) (so long as ya only bounce them via a native output). > DAE tracks cannot do this, and must remain consistent with the DAE 'session' > bit depth; > this 'session' bit depth is set in its dedicated place within the 'Audio > Hardware & Drivers'-menu. > best, > splattercell > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

> From: "bob_vandiver" <bobv@...> >I have a track on the DTDM side .... >....I can bring the signal over to the TDM side. Now, how do I record >this as a TDM/DAE track? You can record the output of its ESB channel: -Make sure it is the only thing using that ESB channel (mute the other VST instruments using the same ESB channel). -Route the ESB output to "bus 5-6" for example; then on the destination track (make it stereo), set the input to "bus 5-6". -Arm that track and record. The resulting audio file is, of course, the appropriate bit depth, etc. -dean parks-

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Katz" <scotkatz@b...> wrote: > Can anyone please direct me to the environment for the motif, PLEASE? > > thanks in advance > > Scott Go to motifactor.com

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "phatadcow" <matt@p...> wrote: > Anybody got any idea how much TDM DSP the EPIC TDM plugins use? See table below. (It contains tabs, you may need to adjust your tab-size to get it displayed properly - sorry don't have time to format it nicer.) > I was always surprised that I could run loads of Tape delays on the > Native side but on the TDM side one tape delay took up a whole chip. As you can see in the table, Epic features some improvements in that area over the previous free AutoFilter/TapeDelay TDM. Best, Stefan ----------- Epic TDM DSP usage per mono-mono instance in %: plug-in sharing class PCI Mix HD AutoFilter Shared A 46.2 25.0 20.8 BitCrusher Shared A 16.7 5.1 4.1 ClipDistortion Shared A 55.6 29.7 24.6 Distortion Shared A 12.8 5.1 4.0 Ensemble (*) Ensemble n.a. 61.5 50.0 Ensemble5 (*) Ensemble 100.0 38.5 31.3 Enveloper (*) Shared B 30.4 15.5 12.7 ModulationDelay Shared B 30.1 17.4 14.2 Overdrive Shared A 12.7 5.1 4.0 PhaseDistortion Shared B 17.0 9.9 6.6 Phaser Shared A 32.3 20.9 17.7 SpectralGate SpectralGate n.a. 20.0 16.6 SubBass (*) Shared B 36.3 19.8 16.1 TapeDelay TapeDelay 100.0 20.0 25.0 Tremolo Shared A 12.7 5.1 4.1 ES1 monophon ES1 monophon n.a. 12.5 12.5 ES1 4 voices ES1 4 voices n.a. 50.0 50.0 ES1 8 voices ES1 8 voices n.a. 100.0 100.0 A mono-stereo or a stereo-stereo instance needs twice the DSP power of a mono-mono instance except for the plug-ins marked with *, which use the same ammount of DSP power in all 3 I/O configurations. (Note that the ES1 flavours are only avialable in mono-mono configuration.)

Hi, Before Logic6, when I had the resolution set to 1/16, and I moved an object, the smallest distance I could drag it was... a 16th note. Now after the upgrade Logic seems to ignore the resolution and it´s really hard to move things around, (if zoomed in) without screwing up the beat ... Anyone else experiencing this?? All the best Fredrik

Hi! Anybody tried the new mini-controlsurface CS-32 from JLCooper yet? Is it working w. Logic? Can't find any info on this. Cheers Alar

My setup consists of both TDM and DTDM via ESB When I create a new song everything works just fine. I can set up ESB on an aux and play softsynths. However as soon as I import a MIDI file (using COPY option) all DTDM object stop working. Also The ESB on the TDM aux object disappears and is greyed out in the plugins list. Anyone know what might be happening here? Colin Miller

> >My setup consists of both TDM and DTDM via ESB > >When I create a new song everything works just fine. I can set up ESB on an >aux and play softsynths. However as soon as I import a MIDI file (using >COPY option) all DTDM object stop working. Also The ESB on the TDM aux >object disappears and is greyed out in the plugins list. Anyone know what >might be happening here? > >Colin Miller I just realized that upon import of SMF, all my TDM auxes are changed to TDM outputs, thus I can't put ESB on it. This must be a bug in Logic, but if anyone knows otherwise, please let me know. For now I can just change them all back to AUXes. Colin Miller

it's happened from LAMP 4 -- Thanks and regards, Bobo Mark Producer Contact: bobo@... For and On behalf of Music 2000 **************************************************************************** Come! Visit our website at http://www.music2000.com.hk "May Music Move Your Heart" **************************************************************************** > From: Colin Miller <snoopy@...> > Reply-To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:51:44 -0800 > To: logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Fwd: [L-TDM] Problem with audio when importing MIDI file > > >> >> My setup consists of both TDM and DTDM via ESB >> >> When I create a new song everything works just fine. I can set up ESB on an >> aux and play softsynths. However as soon as I import a MIDI file (using >> COPY option) all DTDM object stop working. Also The ESB on the TDM aux >> object disappears and is greyed out in the plugins list. Anyone know what >> might be happening here? >> >> Colin Miller > > I just realized that upon import of SMF, all my TDM auxes are changed to > TDM outputs, thus I can't put ESB on it. This must be a bug in Logic, but > if anyone knows otherwise, please let me know. For now I can just change > them all back to AUXes. > > Colin Miller > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Thanks for all the good info, guys! Bob Vandiver

> Before Logic6, when I had the resolution set to 1/16, > and I moved an object, the smallest distance I could drag it > was... a 16th note. > Now after the upgrade Logic seems to ignore the resolution > and it´s really hard to move things around, (if zoomed in) without > screwing up the beat ... > Anyone else experiencing this?? Yes! Logic has a new way of letting you move, sometimes it's half a Bar, sometimes an eighth...I find this weird too, it has to do with the zoom-size, but I have not figured a real pattern for it. It feels a bit uncomfortable, cause I rather never drag something a half-note, minimum should snap to bar or quarter-note, as it used to do. please! Nikolaus Sieveking nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen <niko@...>

Anyone out there encountering a problem in trying to crossfade regions from the slider in the perameter box in the arrange window? Sage

As per Lee Blaske's instructions I bounced and added (on the native side) a complex VSTi with fairly marked used of Fx inserted. File is created. Found it in Audio window, dragged the pair of files from the audio window onto the arrange page onto two tracks set up for DAE tracks. Fine, fine: works very sweet. First gripe: the pair in the audio window look independent but playing them only the top file shows a moving SPL though I am obviously hearing stereo. I would think that the files could be more visibly obvious as linked but not interleaved in the window. They look independent but are not. They only travel in pairs. This should be visually acknowledged better. Confusing to this newbie. Second gripe: In the Audio window I double click on the file because I want to reverse it as the first step to creating reverse reverb. I am surprised to find I cannot copy the file so that I can work on the copy. This should be possible, with a dialog box for renaming the copy. Now I have bounced a new file with the reverb only and reversed this result so it will be reverse reverb. I add it to the arrange window on two more tracks set up as DAE tracks. I slide these so the end of the reverse reverb tails now coincide with the transients of the original and dry forward file. Works well. I then add to these same reverb tracks a measure of silence to the head end. I adjust the length of the silent strip so it begins at the start of a bar and ends at the start of the reverb file, which since it is aligned to the transient of the unaffected track it does not begin on a beat. Adding the silence allows this file to begin on the beat. I use the glue tool, Logic says that the audio strips are discontinuous (why I don't know - at the point of the gluing they are both digital silence) and so a merge file will need to be created. Fine, fine. Merge file done, it is in the arrange window, the audio window and in the slowly growing folder of audio regions when one looks for them in the finder. Third gripe: I do not like the Logic - given name to the merge file so I rename it in the finder and Logic throws a fit, saying that the "File can't be found," even though I have just added it via the Add dialog box. Wha? Is there a way to rename audio regions so that Logic plays nice nice? TIA, Bob Vandiver

Logic TDM with ESB enables one to insert instances of the EXS-24 on the DAE side similar or identical in behavior to HTDM plugins. Is there any advantage to doing this as compared to placing these on the native side? Whoops - as I write this one advantage seeps into my cranium: this plugin has gotten past the ESB bottleneck of 8 channels. Now one can add more plug ins on the native side. But is there any other advantage to going HTDM? TIA, Bob Vandiver

bob_vandiver wrote: > First gripe: the pair in the audio window look independent but > playing them only the top file shows a moving SPL though I am > obviously hearing stereo. I would think that the files could be more > visibly obvious as linked but not interleaved in the window. They > look independent but are not. They only travel in pairs. This should > be visually acknowledged better. Confusing to this newbie. Yes, but I wouldn´t do that in the audio-window anyway. Just double-click the region (in the audio-window or the arrange) and this gets you the file in the sample-editor. > Second gripe: In the Audio window I double click on the file because > I want to reverse it as the first step to creating reverse reverb. I > am surprised to find I cannot copy the file so that I can work on the > copy. This should be possible, with a dialog box for renaming the > copy. In the arrange copy the region, in the audio sub-menu select "convert region to individual file". > Third gripe: I do not like the Logic - given name to the merge file > so I rename it in the finder and Logic throws a fit, saying that > the "File can't be found," even though I have just added it via the > Add dialog box. > > Wha? Is there a way to rename audio regions so that Logic plays nice > nice? Rename them by double-clicking the filename in the audio-window. Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Duemmler" <merlin@m...> wrote: > bob_vandiver wrote: > > > First gripe: the pair in the audio window look independent but > > playing them only the top file shows a moving SPL though I am > > obviously hearing stereo. I would think that the files could be more > > visibly obvious as linked but not interleaved in the window. They > > look independent but are not. They only travel in pairs. This should > > be visually acknowledged better. Confusing to this newbie. > > Yes, but I wouldn´t do that in the audio-window anyway. > Just double-click the region (in the audio-window or the arrange) and this > gets you the file in the sample-editor. > > > Second gripe: In the Audio window I double click on the file because > > I want to reverse it as the first step to creating reverse reverb. I > > am surprised to find I cannot copy the file so that I can work on the > > copy. This should be possible, with a dialog box for renaming the > > copy. > > In the arrange copy the region, in the audio sub-menu select "convert region > to individual file". > > > Third gripe: I do not like the Logic - given name to the merge file > > so I rename it in the finder and Logic throws a fit, saying that > > the "File can't be found," even though I have just added it via the > > Add dialog box. > > > > Wha? Is there a way to rename audio regions so that Logic plays nice > > nice? > > Rename them by double-clicking the filename in the audio-window. > > Peter > --- > http://www.merlinsound.de Cool! 3 questions, 3 succinct answers! %This list, er, rocks!! Thanks Peter, Bob

bob_vandiver wrote: > Cool! 3 questions, 3 succinct answers! %This list, er, rocks!! > > Thanks Peter, > > Bob My pleasure. What address may I send the bill to? Just kidding. ;-) Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de

At 02:26 AM 3/28/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Third gripe: I do not like the Logic - given name to the merge file >so I rename it in the finder and Logic throws a fit, saying that >the "File can't be found," even though I have just added it via the >Add dialog box. Just in case part of this involves how Logic adds the name of the processing done to the actual file name, it can be turned off in the preferences (not sure if this is your case, but just in case...). Colin Miller

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Colin Miller <snoopy@m...> wrote: > > > > >My setup consists of both TDM and DTDM via ESB > > > >When I create a new song everything works just fine. I can set up ESB on an > >aux and play softsynths. However as soon as I import a MIDI file (using > >COPY option) all DTDM object stop working. Also The ESB on the TDM aux > >object disappears and is greyed out in the plugins list. Anyone know what > >might be happening here? > > > >Colin Miller > > I just realized that upon import of SMF, all my TDM auxes are changed to > TDM outputs, thus I can't put ESB on it. This must be a bug in Logic, but > if anyone knows otherwise, please let me know. For now I can just change > them all back to AUXes. > > Colin Miller I just drag the Midi file right into and open Autoload. Of course this ignores tempo info. if I need the tempo... I open the midi file... click NEW when it asks about the environment. If it's a fixed tempo I just note it and close the song and stick it in the Autoload with the midi file. If it's a tempo map/conductor track I open the Tempo list and copy...close the song and paste the tempos into the Autoload/midi file song. For me, this has been the quickest way to deal with midi files without having to reassign stuff in the Environment. If someone has a better way let me know !! Please ! Danny

At 06:04 AM 3/28/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I just drag the Midi file right into and open Autoload. >Of course this ignores tempo info. > if I need the tempo... >I open the midi file... click NEW when it asks about the >environment. > If it's a fixed tempo I just note it and close the song and stick it in >the Autoload with the midi file. > If it's a tempo map/conductor track I open the Tempo list and >copy...close the song and paste the tempos into the >Autoload/midi file song. > >For me, this has been the quickest way to deal with midi files >without having to reassign stuff in the Environment. > >If someone has a better way let me know !! Please ! Unfortunately I need the tempo and meter changes and in some songs I am dealing with there can be as many as 60 meter changes. What you mention is what I have done, but I still think that emagic should fix this bug. They said it's probably a bad MIDI file, but come on now. No other DAWs have any problem with any of them, and the fact that it actually changes the aux objects to output objects? Colin Miller

> >I just drag the Midi file right into and open Autoload. >Of course this ignores tempo info. > if I need the tempo... >I open the midi file... click NEW when it asks about the >environment. > If it's a fixed tempo I just note it and close the song and stick it in >the Autoload with the midi file. > If it's a tempo map/conductor track I open the Tempo list and >copy...close the song and paste the tempos into the >Autoload/midi file song. > >For me, this has been the quickest way to deal with midi files >without having to reassign stuff in the Environment. > >If someone has a better way let me know !! Please ! > That is the quickest way, but you are forgetting about importing meters and markers.... We need a CONDUCTOR TRACK.... -- Daniel Hamuy danielh@... http://www.Powerkeys.com

I know of two reasons to prefer EXS on the DAE side instead of native. 1. Simpler routing. If you're using Digi hardware that enables many separate outputs (for example, one or more 888s running to an analog mixing console), each EXS on the DAE side can be sent to a different hardware output, the same way that any DAE track can. On the native side, you're basically summing your EXS instances into one or more ESB returns. That one ESB return lives on the DAE side, so it can be sent to any output. But this means that to achieve the same degree of separation that you have on the DAE side, you'd need an ESB return for every EXS (or one ESB for every two EXS instances if you're running mono signals - panned hard left and hard right) - this is possible, depending on how much DSP you have - but not very practical if you're using many EXS instances. I ran into this exact issue recently when mixing some material that was created using many native EXS instances, but had to be mixed using three 888s and many separate outputs. 2. Editing/Auditioning. This one's a little more difficult to describe. Say for example that you have 5 EXS instances on the native side. You want to be able to open matrix editors on these tracks and edit the data. Suppose you've selected the first EXS as your current "active" channel (meaning, this is the one you hear when you play a note on your keyboard). If you open a matrix editor for EXS #1 and click on a note in the matrix window, you'll hear it. But if you open a matrix window for EXS instances 2-5 and click on a note, you will -not- hear those instruments. In other words, on the native side Logic appears to only be able to audition the currently active "thru" channel for editing purposes. If all of your EXS instances are on the DAE side, this is not an issue - you can audition any EXS regardless of which channel is currently selected as the active "thru" channel. Now, it's could be that I've missed something in my setup that would make this possible, but as far as I can surmise it's a limitation of native versus DAE. Mike On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 07:31 PM, bob_vandiver wrote: > Logic TDM with ESB enables one to insert instances of the EXS-24 on > the DAE side similar or identical in behavior to HTDM plugins. > > Is there any advantage to doing this as compared to placing these on > the native side? > > Whoops - as I write this one advantage seeps into my cranium: this > plugin has gotten past the ESB bottleneck of 8 channels. Now one can > add more plug ins on the native side. > > But is there any other advantage to going HTDM? > > TIA, > > Bob Vandiver > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to > logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Please email logic-tdm-owner@yahoogroups.com to contact an admin. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Colin Miller <snoopy@m...> wrote: > Unfortunately I need the tempo and meter changes and in some songs I am > dealing with there can be as many as 60 meter changes. What you mention is > what I have done, but I still think that emagic should fix this bug. They > said it's probably a bad MIDI file, but come on now. No other DAWs have any > problem with any of them, and the fact that it actually changes the aux > objects to output objects? > > Colin Miller I won't argue with you. It would be nice to import a midi file and be done without having to do anything else. Danny