Plug-ins for Digidesign Pro Tools or other TDM systems. Save hundreds of dollars. Bidding starts at $1.00! Focusrite d2/d3 plug-in bundle Pro Tools. New in factory shrink-wrapped box, never opened. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&itemˆ815230 3 TC MegaReverb TDM plug-in for Pro Tools. Have all manual, disks, etc. Like new! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&itemˆ862757 0 Thanks for looking! Jeff Fry

> Plug-ins for Digidesign Pro Tools or other TDM systems. Save > hundreds of dollars. Bidding starts at $1.00! > > Focusrite d2/d3 plug-in bundle Pro Tools. New in factory > shrink-wrapped box, never opened. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=88815230 > 3 > > TC MegaReverb TDM plug-in for Pro Tools. Have all manual, > disks, etc. Like new! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=88862757 Like new?... does that mean that all the knobs is working without any noise??.. Any wear on the graphics?... Has it been to any service lately?... Does it need to be calibrated?... Has it seen much use?... Hm... I don´t like ebay... Modularmoog.

German Emagic support told me: > A) Will ESB work with the HD extension? Yes it does. > B) Will it be limited to 44.1/48k? I didn't ask this because I'm personally not interested in 96k or higher. > C) will it be compatible with the new 48 bit TDM mixer? Yes it will. Besides this, here's another good news for Mix-users: since Logic 5.1.3 the TDM Dithered Mixer 24 BIT 5.1.1 is working with Logic! :-) Stefan Gretscher

Modularmoog wrote: >Like new?... does that mean that all the knobs is working without any >noise??.. Any wear on the graphics?... Has it been to any service lately?... >Does it need to be calibrated?... Has it seen much use?... Smoking or non-smoking studio? Lee Blaske

On 6/24/02 5:41 PM, "sgretscher" <gretsch@...> wrote: > Besides this, here's another good news for Mix-users: > since Logic 5.1.3 the TDM Dithered Mixer 24 BIT 5.1.1 > is working with Logic! :-) Stephan, I put this under a new heading, as I think it's important info for a lot of TDM users. Thanks for the tip, and the other info. Regards Malcolm ----------------- Malcolm Payne Music NYC http://www.malcolmpayne.com

That´s indeed good news. I´ve been using the DAG mixer for some months now. I´ll try the dithered Digi mixer and I´m curious how they differ... Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Payne" <alt@...> To: <logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:49 AM Subject: [L-TDM] Dithered mixer now works!! > On 6/24/02 5:41 PM, "sgretscher" <gretsch@...> wrote: > > > Besides this, here's another good news for Mix-users: > > since Logic 5.1.3 the TDM Dithered Mixer 24 BIT 5.1.1 > > is working with Logic! :-) > > Stephan, > > I put this under a new heading, as I think it's important info for a lot of > TDM users. Thanks for the tip, and the other info.

I never tried the DAG mixer, did you notice any difference??? Fredrik --- In logic-tdm@y..., "Peter Duemmler" <merlin@m...> wrote: > That´s indeed good news. > I´ve been using the DAG mixer for some months now. > I´ll try the dithered Digi mixer and I´m curious how they differ... > > Peter > --- > http://www.merlinsound.de > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm Payne" <alt@m...> > To: <logic-tdm@y...> > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:49 AM > Subject: [L-TDM] Dithered mixer now works!! > > > > On 6/24/02 5:41 PM, "sgretscher" <gretsch@r...> wrote: > > > > > Besides this, here's another good news for Mix-users: > > > since Logic 5.1.3 the TDM Dithered Mixer 24 BIT 5.1.1 > > > is working with Logic! :-) > > > > Stephan, > > > > I put this under a new heading, as I think it's important info for a lot > of > > TDM users. Thanks for the tip, and the other info.

According to Emagic, The 48 bit HD mixer runs on 5.1.3 with the HD extension. The HD extension runs all the way to 192, and ESB SHOULD run all the way to 192K since the native engine is prepared to handle sample rates that high. I'm one of those people making the upgrade to HD before the 30th, and I'm confident that all will be well with the HD extension. kenn.michael

On 6/25/02 5:31 AM, "kenn.michael" <kenn@...> wrote: > According to Emagic, The 48 bit HD mixer runs on 5.1.3 with the HD > extension. The HD extension runs all the way to 192, and ESB SHOULD run all > the way to 192K since the native engine is prepared to handle sample rates > that high. I'm one of those people making the upgrade to HD before the > 30th, and I'm confident that all will be well with the HD extension. Thanks Kenn (and Stefan). I think we're in good shape. Malcolm ----------------- Malcolm Payne Music NYC http://www.malcolmpayne.com

Hi I'm looking for a studio in Leeds (UK) where I can record vocals. I need a good vocal booth and a good channel strip. That's it. I'm bringing my ProTools and a Powrbook. 6 - 9 days in mid August. Anybody? (sorry about the OT) Please answer me privately henrik@... Thanks Henrik

Any tips on how to get soft synths (eg Absynth) to run IN TIME using Direct connect in Logic? For some reason when I do this I always have to shift the midi track back 15-20 ms Thanks Matt Robertson (G4 400 / mix + / os9.2 / LAP 4.8)

--- In logic-tdm@y..., "fredrikthomander" <fthomander@h...> wrote: > I never tried the DAG mixer, > did you notice any difference??? > > Fredrik > I'm using the dag mixer and its great! I have a friend using protools without logic, and he has problems with sends bleading and busses cross talking. But I do not encounter this in logic. The dag mixer does use more dsp, though so does the dithered mixer. space

Hi Gang Has anyone any knowlege of which is the most stable version of Logic currently working with Surround Dolby 5.1 (before version LAPM 5 came along) using a G4 and Firewire etc? Also has anyone any experience of actually using our illustrious system in a surround context yet? (Particularly in movie land.) As yet I have no experience of 5.1 with TDM/Logic software (having in a previous reincarnation done Dolby 4.1 with traditional multi track tape and desk) and am perilously near bringing back some orchestral sessions to my studio which I will be then mixing with samplecell stuff using Logic with TDM . I know many folk like to use ProTools for this but I will be using Logic at the front end. Is the Dolby TDM plug-in absolutely vital or unecessary because Dolby 5.1 works with discreet channels? Any handy hints very greatfully received! Many many thanks in anticipation Richard

I´ve never had crosstalk and bleeding with any mixer plugin. Are you sure the problems weren´t in the analog domain? Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "spaceisfake" <spaceisfake@...> > I'm using the dag mixer and its great! I have a friend using protools > without logic, and he has problems with sends bleading and busses > cross talking. But I do not encounter this in logic. The dag mixer > does use more dsp, though so does the dithered mixer. > space

on 6/26/02 01:03, Richard G. Mitchell at rich@... wrote: > Has anyone any knowlege of which is the most stable version of Logic > currently working with Surround Dolby 5.1 (before version LAPM 5 came > along) using a G4 and Firewire etc? Use the latest version. > > Also has anyone any experience of actually using our illustrious system > in a surround context yet? (Particularly in movie land.) As yet I have no > experience of 5.1 with TDM/Logic software (having in a previous > reincarnation done Dolby 4.1 with traditional multi track tape and desk) > and am perilously near bringing back some orchestral sessions to my > studio which I will be then mixing with samplecell stuff using Logic with > TDM . Two issues that I know of: 1. There is no elegant way to play back a multi (more than stereo) track file inside Logic, unlike ProTools. That may be moot if you are using Logic only with mono and stereo sources to create a 5.1 mix. Your 4.1 source will have to be treated as 2 stereo (LR and LsRs) and one mono (LFE) source. You would have to do this in ProTools as well if you wanted to to redirection (like pull some of the LR into the centre channel). 2. There is a bug when one assigns an aux instrument to a 5.1 output. Bus sends will change to prefader sender unexpectedly. I have noticed this behaviour in 4.8 to 5.0. I haven't tried this out in 5.1.3 yet. Anyone else care to pipe in? > > Is the Dolby TDM plug-in absolutely vital or unecessary because Dolby 5.1 > works with discreet channels? If you need to deliver discrete then you don't need a plugin. Are you referring to an AC3 or DTS encoding? Then those are audiosuite (non-realtime) anyway. -- --- -- -- -- Edmund Eagan http://www.twelfthroot.com/

Yes, same here - DAG mixer, no such problems. Those don't sound like 'digital' problems fwiw. >I¥ve never had crosstalk and bleeding with any mixer plugin. >Are you sure the problems weren¥t in the analog domain? > >Peter >--- >http://www.merlinsound.de > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "spaceisfake" <spaceisfake@...> > > > I'm using the dag mixer and its great! I have a friend using protools > > without logic, and he has problems with sends bleading and busses > > cross talking. But I do not encounter this in logic. The dag mixer > > does use more dsp, though so does the dithered mixer. > > space > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Jon Cotton "The sound was essentially a great big wodge of mid-range, like a giant ham sandwich flying out of your speakers towards your head." - Tim Friese-Green Gramophone the album http://www.darkgramophone.co.uk Artisan Audio http://www.artisan-audio.co.uk/

Dear gang Whilst you guys are out there running at the front, I'm staying back with my 9600/300 for a mo whilst doing a project using Logic Audio 4.8.1 (which I use as opposed to using Protools because lots of midi stuff and have never really spent any time with Protools software up front) Still using PT24 mix plus, DAE 5.0. 2 X samplecell cards/ Ixmicro dual monitor card & 888/24. Still with OS 8.6, I'm trying to get a Dolby 5.1 system as painlessly as possible. Has anyone out there used the TDM Dolby matrix simulator with Logic ..... if so how do you insert it in the master outputs? Although many cinemas are coming around to 5.1 very quickly, the dolby consultants still like the music checked on a 4.1 simulator because half the planet still watches with that format! I need a firewire drive with more space and quicker xfer because recording 24bit and so am taking out my old Adaptec UW accelerator and replacing with Firewire/USB Pci card. Any suggestions/issues as to which card? Best wishes Richard

I've been checking the Emagic website every day or so for news, and just spotted this: >Shipping Update (June 27th 2002): Initial shipments of the >highly-anticipated ProTools HD Extension have been leaving Emagic's >German warehouse over the course of this week, and are now on their >way to distributors and dealers around the world. The logistics of >international airfreight mean that stocks will not reach all dealers >at the same time, but dealers in most markets can expect deliveries >in the first or second week of July. Customers are advised to stay >in touch with their national Emagic distributor for accurate >information regarding deliveries in their individual markets. So, it looks like we're getting close. Lee Blaske

On 6/27/02 6:47 PM, "Lee Blaske" <lblaske@...> wrote: >> Shipping Update (June 27th 2002): Initial shipments of the >> highly-anticipated ProTools HD Extension have been leaving Emagic's >> German warehouse over the course of this week, and are now on their >> way to distributors and dealers around the world. The logistics of >> international airfreight mean that stocks will not reach all dealers >> at the same time, but dealers in most markets can expect deliveries >> in the first or second week of July. Customers are advised to stay >> in touch with their national Emagic distributor for accurate >> information regarding deliveries in their individual markets. > > > So, it looks like we're getting close. Good news, I guess, but isn't all that's required here an authorization code?? Malcolm ----------------- Malcolm Payne Music NYC http://www.malcolmpayne.com

>Good news, I guess, but isn't all that's required here an authorization >code?? > >Malcolm I would assume that it's another extension that needs to be placed in the Logic folder, plus the authorization code. One would think that in this day and age, this could be sold over the internet, and we could all have it now. Then again, maybe it sounds better if it comes in a box. Lee Blaske

From the Emagic announcement: >The logistics of >international airfreight mean that stocks will not reach all dealers >at the same time, but dealers in most markets can expect deliveries >in the first or second week of July. Thinking more about the logistics of this... If the package shows up for me during the first week of July, my local trash haulers can cart the box and packing off to the recycling plant on Monday, July 8 (Monday is my trash pick-up day). If, however, it shows up during the second week of July, my trash guy (who has been eagerly anticipating this box) won't get his hands on it until July 15. I guess I'll just have to tell him to be patient. Don't they have any kind of conservation movement in Germany? To get these packages to the US, I imagine they're packed in large boxes. Then, when they reach the distributors in various countries, they're packed up in smaller boxes and sent to dealers. If the dealers are mail order houses, they then repackage the software and send it to individual purchasers. All this waste of packaging and transportation for something that could be sent securely and they don't even hav over the internet in a few seconds. Lots of companies are doing this, and they don't have the security of the XSKey. What a colossal waste of time and resources. Lee Blaske

On 6/27/02 8:24 PM, "Lee Blaske" <lblaske@...> wrote: > Don't they have any kind of conservation movement in Germany? To get > these packages to the US, I imagine they're packed in large boxes. > Then, when they reach the distributors in various countries, they're > packed up in smaller boxes and sent to dealers. If the dealers are > mail order houses, they then repackage the software and send it to > individual purchasers. All this waste of packaging and transportation > for something that could be sent securely and they don't even hav > over the internet in a few seconds. Lots of companies are doing this, > and they don't have the security of the XSKey. > > What a colossal waste of time and resources. Sure seems that way :( ----------------- Malcolm Payne Music NYC http://www.malcolmpayne.com

Well, I know I'll take heat for this but... I've used Logic since 2.x and love it. I am however angry to find out the HD extension is $500. This seems a ridiculous amount to pay for the priviledge of being able to use Emagics program that I allready own with my hardware. I'm not aware of such a tax on any other hardware suppported by the program including PT24. I'm sorry to see that Emagic's attitude is that if someone can afford PTHD they should be willing to pay whatever for this extension. I was going to NYC to buy a Logic Control and a Unitor 8 tomarrow. After learning the price of the upgrade I've decided to learn protools instead. If I can't stand it , at some point I'll fork over the dough for the HD extension but for now, after many years, Emagic has lost me as a customer. Yes I know there is a cost to software design but, frankly, I think this price is obscene.-Lonny S. Jarrett

> I was going to NYC to buy a Logic Control and a Unitor 8 tomarrow. After >learning the price of the upgrade I've decided to learn protools instead. If >I can't stand it , at some point I'll fork over the dough for the HD >extension but for now, after many years, Emagic has lost me as a customer. >Yes I know there is a cost to software design but, frankly, I think this >price is obscene.-Lonny S. Jarrett But as far as Logic goes, LAMP with the HD extension is the high-end of the high-end. At 44.1/48k, that's 128 HD tracks plus whatever you get from the native side. It's an awful lot of performance. I guess I'm an old timer. I remember my Synclavier days when a simple software update would cost $1k to $2k (and 10 MB hard drives cost $10,000). Try to think of that $500 compared to other things. You can blow that much on sample CDs in not much time at all. I'm getting ready to set up a GigaStudio or two, and that's $699 list for the software per machine. Isn't the Waves Platinum Bundle about $3k now? What about the cost of the HD EXT software compared to Sony Oxford? There are plenty of PT plug-ins that are in the $500 or above range. Personally, when I think of the depth, importance and centrality of the software I use, there's nothing more important than Logic. No other full-featured MIDI sequencer package has supported TDM hardware as well as Logic (DP's support has always been iffy, SVP is defunct, and Cubase support died at birth). Without Logic, we'd be dead in the water. Digidesign is making a handsome (and I think deserved) profit on HD systems. Emagic is putting in a lot of work to support it, and they should get some reward for it. Of all the companies I'd like to see remain healthy, Emagic is at the top of the list. Dang it, I don't want to go through another fiasco like the one I went through when Gibson bought Opcode and ran it into the ground. I want to spend more of my life making music, and less of my life coming up to speed with deep software that comes with huge manuals. BTW, Logic support IS graduated into a number of distinct categories, and for quite some time, you do pay for support of higher end hardware. To use Logic with non-HD PT, for example, you need to use the Platinum version. Below that, you've got the Gold, Silver and Tin versions. Perhaps Emagic's miscalculation here is that they should have introduced a totally new version with extra features and assigned a new metal name to it, rather than making the new product seem to be a blatant tax on HD users. What metal would that be? Titanium? Uranium? Plutonium? I wish you luck with PT, Lonny. I've got my HD system sitting here in boxes, and I had a bit of a break in my schedule. Anxious to get the new equipment running, I was contemplating switching over and toughing it out in PT until the HD EXT arrived, and tried doing a typical session in PT to see how I'd get by. PT is a great streamlined application that's easy to learn and absolutely perfect for some people/applications, but for the way I compose and use a sequencer, it would be a GIGANTIC step backwards. If it was the only application left on earth, I'd use it, but with Logic available, there's no contest (especially with the automation in version 5). BTW, considering the enormous improvements made in version 5, versus 4.x, I thought $149 for that upgrade was extremely reasonable. I sleep better knowing that Emagic is probably doing OK financially (and not inexorably slipping into bankruptcy like Opcode was). Those were not happy times for me. We need Emagic to keep going. That means their customer base is going to look like a pyramid. The biggest bunch of people need to get in at the bottom at a very cost-effective price. The higher up the pyramid you go, the more features you get and the more hardware you need supported, the more you pay. All that being said, if Emagic sold us the HD EXT without all the boxes, shipping and handling, I'll bet they could knock a few bucks off the price. ;-) Lee Blaske

Lonny, I tend to agree. I will pay, because I really have no choice.(pt is not even an option to me) I've been with this program since the creator/notator days and find myself on the fence. here's some of my thoughts the price of the extension is about 2/3's the price of the entire program. did they spend 2/3's the amont of time developing the extension as it took to develope the program? I think the pricing for the extension should be more in line with the price difference between Logic plat. and the next level down. ...and most importantly. ....IF IM GOING TO SPEND $500 CAN THERE PLEASE BE NO WORK AROUNDS!!!!! CAN I PLEASE HAVE ALL THE PLUGS BEHAVE EXACTLY LIKE THEY DO IN PROTOOLS WITH ALL THEIR FEATURES USABLE << > I was going to NYC to buy a Logic Control and a Unitor 8 tomarrow. After >learning the price of the upgrade I've decided to learn protools instead. If >I can't stand it , at some point I'll fork over the dough for the HD >extension but for now, after many years, Emagic has lost me as a customer. >Yes I know there is a cost to software design but, frankly, I think this >price is obscene.-Lonny S. Jarrett But as far as Logic goes, LAMP with the HD extension is the high-end of the high-end. At 44.1/48k, that's 128 HD tracks plus whatever you get from the native side. It's an awful lot of performance. I guess I'm an old timer. I remember my Synclavier days when a simple software update would cost $1k to $2k (and 10 MB hard drives cost $10,000). Try to think of that $500 compared to other things. You can blow that much on sample CDs in not much time at all. I'm getting ready to set up a GigaStudio or two, and that's $699 list for the software per machine. Isn't the Waves Platinum Bundle about $3k now? What about the cost of the HD EXT software compared to Sony Oxford? There are plenty of PT plug-ins that are in the $500 or above range. Personally, when I think of the depth, importance and centrality of the software I use, there's nothing more important than Logic. No other full-featured MIDI sequencer package has supported TDM hardware as well as Logic (DP's support has always been iffy, SVP is defunct, and Cubase support died at birth). Without Logic, we'd be dead in the water. Digidesign is making a handsome (and I think deserved) profit on HD systems. Emagic is putting in a lot of work to support it, and they should get some reward for it. Of all the companies I'd like to see remain healthy, Emagic is at the top of the list. Dang it, I don't want to go through another fiasco like the one I went through when Gibson bought Opcode and ran it into the ground. I want to spend more of my life making music, and less of my life coming up to speed with deep software that comes with huge manuals. BTW, Logic support IS graduated into a number of distinct categories, and for quite some time, you do pay for support of higher end hardware. To use Logic with non-HD PT, for example, you need to use the Platinum version. Below that, you've got the Gold, Silver and Tin versions. Perhaps Emagic's miscalculation here is that they should have introduced a totally new version with extra features and assigned a new metal name to it, rather than making the new product seem to be a blatant tax on HD users. What metal would that be? Titanium? Uranium? Plutonium? I wish you luck with PT, Lonny. I've got my HD system sitting here in boxes, and I had a bit of a break in my schedule. Anxious to get the new equipment running, I was contemplating switching over and toughing it out in PT until the HD EXT arrived, and tried doing a typical session in PT to see how I'd get by. PT is a great streamlined application that's easy to learn and absolutely perfect for some people/applications, but for the way I compose and use a sequencer, it would be a GIGANTIC step backwards. If it was the only application left on earth, I'd use it, but with Logic available, there's no contest (especially with the automation in version 5). BTW, considering the enormous improvements made in version 5, versus 4.x, I thought $149 for that upgrade was extremely reasonable. I sleep better knowing that Emagic is probably doing OK financially (and not inexorably slipping into bankruptcy like Opcode was). Those were not happy times for me. We need Emagic to keep going. That means their customer base is going to look like a pyramid. The biggest bunch of people need to get in at the bottom at a very cost-effective price. The higher up the pyramid you go, the more features you get and the more hardware you need supported, the more you pay. All that being said, if Emagic sold us the HD EXT without all the boxes, shipping and handling, I'll bet they could knock a few bucks off the price. ;-) Lee Blaske >>