bert.wilmaers@... writes: > Any 1622 users having trouble keeping the gain > settings of their interface stable ? A lot of times the > gain settings seem to change at random. Sadly, the gain settings aren't saved with the song but written into the DAE preferences file. It's too bad, since I almost always adjust the input gain from song to song, depending on what happens to be coming out of the various synths (not all patches are the same volume, not to mention the fact that the overall volume depends on how many MIDI channels one happens to be using). I'd use a text label above each physical input object and type in whatever the gain needs to be set at. Then you have a permanent record of this, and much more convenient than a scrap of paper. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" (Remove all instances of the letter "d" from my email address if replying with something stupid) email: <zerobeat@...> website: <home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

ModularMoog wrote: > I _assume_ you mean that I need to _remove_ the AMT8 from the __OMS-SETUP__ ?!?!?!??... Yes of course!... Sorry if I was unclear. :-) F

on 12/27/00 10:28, klimax@... at klimax@... wrote: > If you are using OMS in combination with Logics MIDI drivers it´s normal you > get that message each time you boot and each time you switch back to Logic. > Pretty annoying, huh! > > Xaver Thanks for your reply!... Yeah, I read some review from a english magazine yesterday on a web site so the problem is "solved" (is it emagic?) :-) OMS _does_ work just fine AFAIK so I wont bother much more... BTW: is there any other drawback using oms together with the logic driver?... I have the option on because I kind of like to use the Virus in Logic... I only assume that there never will be a AMT/UNITOR compatible Virus plug? with no use for oms :-/ Thanks for your help!... Regards. Modularmoog.

Modularmoog wrote: >I only assume that there never will be a AMT/UNITOR compatible Virus plug? >with no use for oms :-/ Wait until OS X comes out. With Apple's new built-in MIDI services, we'll be looking at a whole new ball game. Of course, it remains to be seen which of the current MIDI interfaces (if any) will be compatible with the new scheme. Herbie Robinson, on daw-mac, had some interesting comments on this a few weeks ago. According to him, OS X's built-in MIDI service will only function efficiently with interfaces that support time stamping. I know that the MOTU interfaces (with MTS - "MIDI Time Stamping") do support this, but it's my impression that the Logic interfaces with "AMT" do things differently. Perhaps they'll be able to solve this with a firmware update. At any rate, it'll be interesting to see what hardware makes the jump. Personally, I'm holding on to my stable of Studio 5 LX's until it's clear how the chips will fall. I sure hope we can return to an industry wide standard (greatly updated, of course) like we used to have with OMS (this time, under Apple's evenhanded control so it can't be appropriated by a jerk like the CEO of Gibson). It would be great to be able to use different applications and synth plug-ins and not have to fret about numerous proprietary MIDI schemes with an alphabet soup of acronyms. I also hope that all the manufacturers see the value (to the consumer) of such standardization, and don't cobble together some OS X kludge to stubbornly maintain their proprietary way of doing things. Lee Blaske

on 12/28/00 06:56, fredrik@... at fredrik@... wrote: > > ModularMoog wrote: > >> I _assume_ you mean that I need to _remove_ the AMT8 from the > __OMS-SETUP__ ?!?!?!??... > > Yes of course!... Sorry if I was unclear. > > :-) F No!... you gave me a nice tip!... thanks.. I removed the AMT8 from the OMS setup and the requester is of course gone. However this is a little painful if you often switch between Logic and ProTools. Maybe some day Emagic will fix this?.. Regards. Modularmoog.

On 28/12/00 15:36 Uhr, Lee Blaske at lblaske@... wrote: >>I only assume that there never will be a AMT/UNITOR compatible Virus plug? >>with no use for oms :-/ i don't understand where to problem is (apart from the MIDI clock issue). there is a parallel OMS driver and it works. i personally never was really keen on OMS but in parallel mode, it works and nowadays macs are so fast that you don't feel the system to slow down. currently there is no way to access the virusTDM by a "native" logic driver. to make this happen, digidesign has to change a few things, not only emagic. kind regards/beste gruesse, marc schlaile -- _____________________________________________________________________ Marc Schlaile Product and marketing manager Access Music Electronics GmbH mailto:ms@... http://www.access-music.de _____________________________________________________________________

bert wilmaers wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > question : Any 1622 users having trouble keeping the gain settings of their > interface stable ? A lot of times the gain settings seem to change at > random. I notice the same behaviour. It must be that Logic fails to write this information into the DAE pref. Although I have not experimented, you may try writing the settings for your 1622 from a ProTools session. -- Edmund Eagan http://www.twelfthroot.com/

fredrik@... wrote: > Hi! > > I have a similar setup as yours (I use an Opcode's "Studio 4" together with a PPC 9600/350). The thing is, when You use both OMS and Logic's internal MIDI-drivers, You cant have the same devices in both setups. If You do, Logics MIDI-drivers that launches first, connects to your AMT8, and when it's OMS turn, it can't find it since it's allready occupied, therefore those errormessages. > What You need to do is to remove all external devices (AMT8's, Synts, Samplers and so on) and keep just the softwareconnections (i.e. the IAC-bus) that You need to communicate with the Virus. > This way Locig communicates with your external MIDI-devices, and OMS with your softwaresynts > > Hope that'll make the trick Hooooo....And so we never get the_annoying_message ? Not bad! OK,I will try again Oms_and_build_in_driver_to_play_tdm_virus.. (I hate so much oms that I prefered to forget soft_virus.kind of hanging notes sometimes,you know) But,well...hem...I really need a soft vocoder like Bruno,and try to trig it with midi (oms ,so)....... -- Rene De Wael rene.dewael@...

I use one AMT8 and one Studio4 with logic/OMS. This is my work-around: Create a complete studio set-up document in OMS with all your devices. (For backup/reference.) Then just remove the interfaces and save as a new document and make it the current one. You don't need to remove all your synths etc. It can be nice as a graphic representation of your midi set-up. But even better, especially if you have more than one interface, is to use the previously saved document (including the interfaces) as a graphic map of your rig. I also keep this full studio set-up doc because I share the Studio4 between two computers. (One at the time, though.) When I have used it with the other Mac, I have to make the full studio set-up current to make the 1:st Mac recognize it. It seems that it needs that to establish a proper connection. Then I just make the new simple set-up current again... Håkan ---------- >Från: ModularMoog <modularmoog@...> >Till: Logic TDM <logic-tdm@egroups.com> >Ämne: [L-TDM] Still need help with this one >Datum: ons 27 dec 2000 05.57 > > I seem to get oms to work inside Logic 4.6.1 but I get this damned requester > each time Logic starts (or when I bring it back if I have "hidden" Logic)... > > This is the message: > > --- > "OMS did not detect the AMT8-USB, please check the cabling and make sure > that the AMT8-USB is powered on and the "USB Unitor Family driver" file is > installed" > --- > > Any info on this would be mostly appreciated. > > Thanks. > Modularmoog. > > > >

--- In logic-tdm@egroups.com, "Wayne Cohen" <wcohen1@e...> wrote: > What's the best laptop rig for Logic 4.2? Anyone have experience > running it on a PC or MAC laptop? Hi, I'm running logic 4.6.1 on a powerbook bronze 400 MHZ(not firewire) + a digigram pocket PCM card for the audio...so it's not TDM but VST i use...Still it works fine (up to 64 audiotracks + midi)...If you want to use TDM, then you'll need a special box like the ones made by ....sorry I can't remenber the name (go & check on star wars web site, episode 1 was recorded on a proTools that way). HAPPY NEW YEAR!! Ernst

"Ernst W. Meinrath" wrote: > > --- In logic-tdm@egroups.com, "Wayne Cohen" <wcohen1@e...> > wrote: > > What's the best laptop rig for Logic 4.2? ...Snip... If you want to use TDM, then you'll need a special box like > the ones made by http://www.magma.com/ -- Edmund Eagan http://www.twelfthroot.com/

Hi, I know this isn´t exactly a thread about MIDI, but maybe somebody here can help me anyway. I am enquiring about MIDI Librarian and Archiving softwares: has anybody got something to say in regard '' Sounddiver vs. Unisys '' ? is there anything else around wothwhile checking out? My aim is to have a software that doesn´t need OMS or similar if I want to use it with LAPM. I tried the Logic Sounddiver thread but there´s too much information that I don´t need to go through. Please enlighten me! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Xaver

Xaver wrote: >I know this isn´t exactly a thread about MIDI, but maybe >somebody here can help me anyway. I am enquiring about MIDI >Librarian and Archiving softwares: has anybody got something >to say in regard '' Sounddiver vs. Unisys '' ? is there >anything else around wothwhile checking out? My aim is to >have a software that doesn´t need OMS or similar if I want >to use it with LAPM. I tried the Logic Sounddiver thread but >there´s too much information that I don´t need to go >through. >Please enlighten me! In one sense, you'll most likely have better integration with the MIDI editor made by the company that makes your primary sequencer application. The other concern, obviously, is whether the MIDI editor you choose covers the instruments in your set-up. Check the list of supported instruments. SoundDiver just got a significant update with 3.0, which should certainly a consideration. In general, it seems to me that MIDI editors are a fairly low priority for companies like Emagic, MOTU and formerly Opcode (with Galaxy). When you think about it, there's an *awful* lot of work involved consideration the vast number of instruments out there (and their various revs. and glitches). Synth operating systems are complicated these days. It's amazing these products exist at all. I own Unisys (and also still use Galaxy) but haven't checked the supported synths lately. MOTU has generally been a bit slow in supporting new synths. These applications seem to grow in spurts, with the developers pulled off to assist with other projects during the in-between times. If software synths equipped with excellent GUI's are the future, perhaps MIDI editors might fade away. When Opcode first started having troubles, Galaxy was the first thing they axed. If this type of software is important to you, perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to support both by buying both packages. ;-) In all seriousness, if the interest isn't there, the software won't receive much attention. I had been meaning to pick up SoundDiver 3.0 when it came out, but just haven't gotten around to it yet. It's my understanding (perhaps incorrect?) that we're waiting for the next version of Logic to fully integrate with it. There's a new OMS-like instrument descriptor thingie in SoundDiver which should be pretty cool (if it works). From the Emu list, I've heard that SoundDiver still doesn't support EOS 4.x. I'm surprised that nobody else here on the list has piped up in response to your query. Perhaps, like me, everyone else is spending more time playing around with samples and samplers, and less time tweaking their synths. My newer stand-alone synths have nice knobs to twirl, and buttons to push, so I'm not as desperate about having an editor. I've got a ton of older synths that do benefit from an editor. They look great in my racks, but if you hooked me up to a polygraph machine, I'd have to admit that many of them haven't been turned on in some time. ;-) If you're really serious about MIDI editors, I think you really do need to wade through the info on those lists. In my experience, not all the editors of the supported instruments work flawlessly. You really do need to keep up on the issues and work-arounds. Lee Blaske

SoundDiver works pretty well, for the most part. Like Logic, it is very powerful but not the most intuitive software I've used. I have never had the patience to fully take advantage of all the Autolink capabilities, but it is possible to run SD and edit synths while Logic runs, which is a must for what we do... (BTW, does anyone successfully run SD and PT together? Curious...) And if you have a synth like an FS1R you essentially *need* SD because it has an impossible interface. - Herb >I know this isn´t exactly a thread about MIDI, but maybe >somebody here can help me anyway. I am enquiring about MIDI >Librarian and Archiving softwares: has anybody got something >to say in regard '' Sounddiver vs. Unisys '' ? is there >anything else around wothwhile checking out? My aim is to >have a software that doesn´t need OMS or similar if I want >to use it with LAPM. I tried the Logic Sounddiver thread but >there´s too much information that I don´t need to go >through. >Please enlighten me! -- Herb Heinz herb@... For info on Herb's CD, "Failure": http://www.isproductions.com/herb/failure.shtml - For mp3 songs: http://www.mp3.com/herb For info on the new CD from Amy X Neuburg & Men, "Sports! Chips! Booty!": http://www.isproductions.com/amy/band.shtml

Hi, list: We just upgraded our PTIII PCI Core to a MIX Core. We kept our 4 vintage farms. Here's a dumb question: is there any way to tell a plug like Amp Farm to use a vintage chip instead of a whole expensive MIX chip?? - Herb -- Herb Heinz herb@... For info on Herb's CD, "Failure": http://www.isproductions.com/herb/failure.shtml - For mp3 songs: http://www.mp3.com/herb For info on the new CD from Amy X Neuburg & Men, "Sports! Chips! Booty!": http://www.isproductions.com/amy/band.shtml

on 12/30/00 19:03, Herb at herb@... wrote: > Hi, list: > We just upgraded our PTIII PCI Core to a MIX Core. We kept our 4 vintage > farms. Here's a dumb question: is there any way to tell a plug like Amp > Farm to use a vintage chip instead of a whole expensive MIX chip?? > - Herb > > -- > Herb Heinz Herb!... I think AMP FARM is a mix card compatible plug _only_ (correct me if I´m wrong)... this is most likely the reason for it to take that ship. Regards.

Whoever does not consider latency an issue, obviously has no idea of the Achilles heel of digital audio, it is an unresolved issue but important to those of us who started recording on analogue but who want to reap the benefits of all "daws" can offer us .... its all important knowledge is power, ignorance is bliss ......... if you have to ask; "what's phase", you probably make dance music ..... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

is there any way to tell a plug like Amp > Farm to use a vintage chip instead of a whole expensive MIX chip?? Easiest thing to do is install something that needs a mix chip like a Virus (or one of the Waves plugs) first, then instanciate the amp farm, finally delete the Virus. Bit of a pain I know, maybe this will all be sorted when PT 5.1 arrives. Bryn

Well then.........teach us about phase. I know that's a big issue for base drums in bands. It's like when the frequencies and reverberations collide and make the music sound out of sync right? I just think if you spend too much time on perfection you lose sight of what makes music great. >From: "Jamie Maher" <jamiebfd@...> >Reply-To: logic-tdm@egroups.com >To: logic-tdm@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [L-TDM] Re: My comment regarding TDM support of Logic Audio >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:01:55 > >Whoever does not consider latency an issue, obviously has no idea of the >Achilles heel of digital audio, it is an unresolved issue but important to >those of us who started recording on analogue but who want to reap the >benefits of all "daws" can offer us .... its all important knowledge is >power, ignorance is bliss ......... if you have to ask; "what's phase", >you probably make dance music ..... >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Try it yourself: take a stereo mix (ripped off cd or one of your one´s), unlink L and R and slip one side back or forth with the track delay function and listen. It is most obvious if you listen in mono. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "beat master" <beathive@...> To: <logic-tdm@egroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [L-TDM] Re: My comment regarding TDM support of Logic Audio > Well then.........teach us about phase. I know that's a big issue for base > drums in bands. It's like when the frequencies and reverberations collide > and make the music sound out of sync right? > > I just think if you spend too much time on perfection you lose sight of what > makes music great.

OK Peter you're going to have to explain that one more time please. So I unlink the stereo track giving me control of L and R. How do I "swing one back and forth with the track delay"? Do you mean the delay funtion on the left of the arrange window? Could explain that in more detail? How do I "listen in mono?" If it's a stereo track then it's stereo right? Thanks again. Thanks >From: "Peter Duemmler" <merlin@...> >Reply-To: logic-tdm@egroups.com >To: <logic-tdm@egroups.com> >Subject: Re: [L-TDM] Re: My comment regarding TDM support of Logic Audio >Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:20:18 +0100 > >Try it yourself: take a stereo mix (ripped off cd or one of your one´s), >unlink L and R and slip one side back or forth with the track delay >function >and listen. It is most obvious if you listen in mono. > >Peter > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "beat master" <beathive@...> >To: <logic-tdm@egroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 12:11 AM >Subject: Re: [L-TDM] Re: My comment regarding TDM support of Logic Audio > > > > Well then.........teach us about phase. I know that's a big issue for >base > > drums in bands. It's like when the frequencies and reverberations >collide > > and make the music sound out of sync right? > > > > I just think if you spend too much time on perfection you lose sight of >what > > makes music great. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

> OK Peter you're going to have to explain that one more time please. So I > unlink the stereo track giving me control of L and R. How do I "swing one > back and forth with the track delay"? Do you mean the delay funtion on the > left of the arrange window? Yes. Just do it to one of the two (now individual mono) tracks. > How do I "listen in mono?" If it's a stereo track then it's stereo right? Just make it two mono channels both panned in the middle (click on the stereo symbol on the mixer audio object to make it two mono channels). I assume you´re on TDM, so you could also do the experiment with a time-adjuster plug-in on each of the two channels, and then alter the delay on one channel and hear the effect. Peter > >Try it yourself: take a stereo mix (ripped off cd or one of your one´s), > >unlink L and R and slip one side back or forth with the track delay > >function > >and listen. It is most obvious if you listen in mono. > > > >Peter > > > > > Well then.........teach us about phase. I know that's a big issue for > >base > > > drums in bands. It's like when the frequencies and reverberations > >collide > > > and make the music sound out of sync right? > > > > > > I just think if you spend too much time on perfection you lose sight of > >what > > > makes music great.

Hi there, > From: klimax@... > Subject: MIDI Librarians > > I know this isn´t exactly a thread about MIDI, but maybe > somebody here can help me anyway. I am enquiring about MIDI > Librarian and Archiving softwares: has anybody got something > to say in regard '' Sounddiver vs. Unisys '' ? is there > anything else around wothwhile checking out? My aim is to > have a software that doesn´t need OMS or similar if I want > to use it with LAPM. I tried the Logic Sounddiver thread but > there´s too much information that I don´t need to go > through. > Please enlighten me! > > HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! > > Xaver If you want to use it with Logic then only Sounddiver will enable the non-use of OMS with Logic - via Autolink. However, it is only possible to avoid OMS with an Emagic Interface or with the up and coming OS-X. Seriously if you are using Logic then go for Sounddiver. YOu won't get it any better. with regards, -- Lachlan Deck ldeck@... www.applemidi.com

beat master on 31/12/00 10:11 AM, beat master at beathive@... wrote: > I just think if you spend too much time on perfection you lose sight of what > makes music great. This is of course assuming that it's not possible to do both, which I believe entirely that it is possible. Might I suggest a more rigorous approach to all of it.... -- ==/==/==/==/==/==/==/==/= Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production http://www.jaminajar.com.au

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