Phew! I feel for you. Makes me feel like getting more drives for backup! Good to hear everything turned out well though. BG, erik > After i impatiently and foolishly powered off one of my Lacie drives > (the computer was hanging on startup and I thought that might "help") > the disk became "unreadable" and the OS wanted to initialize it. > Since it contained about 200Gig of extremely important and valuable > data (logic files and attendant audio files, mastering sessions in > pro tools etc) and projects/songs that were un-replaceable, a casual > reformatting was not an option. > > No biggie - i ALWAYS have an exact copy of everything on another > drive - usually I buy pairs of drives and backup constantly - so i > wasn't that worried....yet.... > > Until I restarted....panic....now 2 drives were unreadable, my main > project drive AND its backup. I was *&%^$#*^'d...in a huge way - all > of the musicians I had paid. The artists I had produced....the co- > writers, mixers.....it went on and on. > > neither drive responded to Disk Utility, disk warrior, OR tech Tool > Pro....so i was ready to give up, when I started googling and > googling.... > > soon i had downloaded Data rescue, and had it perform a 3 hour scan, > and another 3 hour "something' before it could then copy what it > found to another drive. > > This morning (copying took 5 hours) i awoke to see a successful > recover, in the software's opinion...but I still wondered if the > Logic files would remember they were Logic, and whether or not they > would know how to find audio, and how much data I had lost...I was a > mess. > > So I hooked the recovery drive up to my rig...saw Logic icons (whew) > and loaded the first song. Since the directories had changed (the > drive now had a new name) it took some time to find all of the files, > but they were still in the same relative directories as before. It > was relatively simple, and VOILA....the first song played and opened. > > after 24hours of opening songs and projects (most valuable to least > valuable) I can report that EVERY SINGLE SONG was recovered and plays > perfectly. I am COMPLETELY saved from the nightmare or losing all of > that work time and expense. > > I also went out to the comp store and bought 4 new Rocstor drives - > I'm doing 3 copies of everything from here on in...and NEVER > unplugging a drive again!! > > Thanks DATA RESCUE!!! - hope this helps someone else. > > Search terms - data rescue, data retrieval, data recovery, drives > down, drive failure, won't mount..... > > > ------------------------------------

Hi - I had this problem with Logic 8.0 . It was driving me crazy. It had something to do with Apogee/Digidesign TDM/ and logic itself. I had to do a full re-install of OSX and logic and PT's and that sorted it out. Sorry I didnt have an easier explanation but sometimes you have to bite the bullet.

I am pleased that you didn't lose any data. But in my experience, Lacie drives are very unreliable. I try and stick to other brands, like OWC, or G-Tech or even Glyph. More money, but probably worth it. -Evan Benjamin On Jun 10, 2008, at 3:25 AM, Greg Critchley wrote: > After i impatiently and foolishly powered off one of my Lacie drives > (the computer was hanging on startup and I thought that might "help") > the disk became "unreadable" and the OS wanted to initialize it. > Since it contained about 200Gig of extremely important and valuable > data (logic files and attendant audio files, mastering sessions in > pro tools etc) and projects/songs that were un-replaceable, a casual > reformatting was not an option. > > No biggie - i ALWAYS have an exact copy of everything on another > drive - usually I buy pairs of drives and backup constantly - so i > wasn't that worried....yet.... > > Until I restarted....panic....now 2 drives were unreadable, my main > project drive AND its backup. I was *&%^$#*^'d...in a huge way - all > of the musicians I had paid. The artists I had produced....the co- > writers, mixers.....it went on and on. > > neither drive responded to Disk Utility, disk warrior, OR tech Tool > Pro....so i was ready to give up, when I started googling and > googling.... > > soon i had downloaded Data rescue, and had it perform a 3 hour scan, > and another 3 hour "something' before it could then copy what it > found to another drive. > > This morning (copying took 5 hours) i awoke to see a successful > recover, in the software's opinion...but I still wondered if the > Logic files would remember they were Logic, and whether or not they > would know how to find audio, and how much data I had lost...I was a > mess. > > So I hooked the recovery drive up to my rig...saw Logic icons (whew) > and loaded the first song. Since the directories had changed (the > drive now had a new name) it took some time to find all of the files, > but they were still in the same relative directories as before. It > was relatively simple, and VOILA....the first song played and opened. > > after 24hours of opening songs and projects (most valuable to least > valuable) I can report that EVERY SINGLE SONG was recovered and plays > perfectly. I am COMPLETELY saved from the nightmare or losing all of > that work time and expense. > > I also went out to the comp store and bought 4 new Rocstor drives - > I'm doing 3 copies of everything from here on in...and NEVER > unplugging a drive again!! > > Thanks DATA RESCUE!!! - hope this helps someone else. > > Search terms - data rescue, data retrieval, data recovery, drives > down, drive failure, won't mount..... > > > ------------------------------------

thanks Evan and all other replies - I agree, no more Lacie for me. I've had good luck with Rocstor. Phhhew! That was close. On Jun 11, 2008, at 9:50 PM, Evan Benjamin wrote: > I am pleased that you didn't lose any data. But in my experience, > Lacie drives are very unreliable. I try and stick to other brands, > like OWC, or G-Tech or even Glyph. More money, but probably worth it. > > -Evan Benjamin > On Jun 10, 2008, at 3:25 AM, Greg Critchley wrote: > > > After i impatiently and foolishly powered off one of my Lacie drives > > (the computer was hanging on startup and I thought that might > "help") > > the disk became "unreadable" and the OS wanted to initialize it. > > Since it contained about 200Gig of extremely important and valuable > > data (logic files and attendant audio files, mastering sessions in > > pro tools etc) and projects/songs that were un-replaceable, a casual > > reformatting was not an option. > > > > No biggie - i ALWAYS have an exact copy of everything on another > > drive - usually I buy pairs of drives and backup constantly - so i > > wasn't that worried....yet.... > > > > Until I restarted....panic....now 2 drives were unreadable, my main > > project drive AND its backup. I was *&%^$#*^'d...in a huge way - all > > of the musicians I had paid. The artists I had produced....the co- > > writers, mixers.....it went on and on. > > > > neither drive responded to Disk Utility, disk warrior, OR tech Tool > > Pro....so i was ready to give up, when I started googling and > > googling.... > > > > soon i had downloaded Data rescue, and had it perform a 3 hour scan, > > and another 3 hour "something' before it could then copy what it > > found to another drive. > > > > This morning (copying took 5 hours) i awoke to see a successful > > recover, in the software's opinion...but I still wondered if the > > Logic files would remember they were Logic, and whether or not they > > would know how to find audio, and how much data I had lost...I was a > > mess. > > > > So I hooked the recovery drive up to my rig...saw Logic icons (whew) > > and loaded the first song. Since the directories had changed (the > > drive now had a new name) it took some time to find all of the > files, > > but they were still in the same relative directories as before. It > > was relatively simple, and VOILA....the first song played and > opened. > > > > after 24hours of opening songs and projects (most valuable to least > > valuable) I can report that EVERY SINGLE SONG was recovered and > plays > > perfectly. I am COMPLETELY saved from the nightmare or losing all of > > that work time and expense. > > > > I also went out to the comp store and bought 4 new Rocstor drives - > > I'm doing 3 copies of everything from here on in...and NEVER > > unplugging a drive again!! > > > > Thanks DATA RESCUE!!! - hope this helps someone else. > > > > Search terms - data rescue, data retrieval, data recovery, drives > > down, drive failure, won't mount..... > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

When I cut up a string part into a new part I like, the sudden cuts cause the usual digital clicks that a simple crossfade (or fade in/ out) would take care of in DAE tracks. Since these are DTDM tracks however, there doesn't seem to be an option for adding crossfades...unless I'm missing something. Or I could bounce it to bring into DAE where I CAN add fades, but then I would lose all of my extensive cuts and would have to re create the new part. ideas? Greg ------------------------------------

Try using the ³turn Loops into real copies² command and then edit and fade. -- ------------------------------------

Hi I just migrated to a G5 dual 2.3 with Logic 8.01/PT 7.3 on Tiger - I'm actually amazed at how well everything works - Logic 7 songs are opening and playing in 8 with all plugs and synths exactly as they did in 7 - DTDM works perfectly, ESB is fine etc etc. Seems more stable than ever. Anyone know if the same would be true with the new update (8.02)? Thanks Greg ------------------------------------

Hi I updated in Logic 8.02, PT 7.3.1 cs5 with OS 10.4.11 and it's Ok for me Beny Le 18 juin 08 à 10:29, Greg Critchley a écrit : > Hi > > I just migrated to a G5 dual 2.3 with Logic 8.01/PT 7.3 on Tiger - > I'm actually amazed at how well everything works - Logic 7 songs are > opening and playing in 8 with all plugs and synths exactly as they > did in 7 - DTDM works perfectly, ESB is fine etc etc. Seems more > stable than ever. > > Anyone know if the same would be true with the new update (8.02)? > > Thanks > > Greg > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a été contrôlé par l'anti-virus > mail. > Aucun virus connu à ce jour par nos services n'a été détecté. > > > ------------------------------------

Thanks - I tried it and it works great!! On Jun 18, 2008, at 4:04 AM, Yael Benamour wrote: > Hi > > I updated in Logic 8.02, PT 7.3.1 cs5 with OS 10.4.11 and it's Ok > for me > > Beny > Le 18 juin 08 à 10:29, Greg Critchley a écrit : > > > Hi > > > > I just migrated to a G5 dual 2.3 with Logic 8.01/PT 7.3 on Tiger - > > I'm actually amazed at how well everything works - Logic 7 songs are > > opening and playing in 8 with all plugs and synths exactly as they > > did in 7 - DTDM works perfectly, ESB is fine etc etc. Seems more > > stable than ever. > > > > Anyone know if the same would be true with the new update (8.02)? > > > > Thanks > > > > Greg > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------- > > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a été contrôlé par l'anti-virus > > mail. > > Aucun virus connu à ce jour par nos services n'a été détecté. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

Hi, Been running Logic 8 for a few months - some good things but lots of niggly bugs which we're trying to iron out. We're getting a problem with Logic crashing everytime we import an audio file - however when Logic reloads the file is in the project and plays fine. Anyone come across something similar? Also, for some reason audio files are playing randomly in a Logic sequence - for example the backing vocals will play at the start of the track even though they are not placed anywhere near there. Hoping someone can help, we've installed the latest updates and everything - currently running a HD 192 TDM system on 10.4.11. Thanks Jack

Hey Jack Your crashing on import is likely your audition path in the audio window. I am still on Logic 7 but it wouldn't suprise me this bug got fixed in 8. Set the audition path to coreaudio or DTDM 1-2 and reserve these channels for auditioning, don't use them. Also tiger OS revisions above 10.4.9 are recognised as having some issues by Digidesign, this is probably contributing to your troubles as well. I'd revert to 10.4.9 if thats doable. Good Luck! On Jun 19, 2008, at 4:36 AM, humuk wrote: > Message posted by humuk <jack@hum.co.uk>: > > Hi, > > Been running Logic 8 for a few months - some good things but lots > of niggly > bugs which we're trying to iron out. > > We're getting a problem with Logic crashing everytime we import an > audio > file - however when Logic reloads the file is in the project and > plays fine. > Anyone come across something similar? > > Also, for some reason audio files are playing randomly in a Logic > sequence - > for example the backing vocals will play at the start of the track > even > though they are not placed anywhere near there. > > Hoping someone can help, we've installed the latest updates and > everything - > currently running a HD 192 TDM system on 10.4.11. > > Thanks > > Jack > > ------------------------------------

On Jun 19, 2008, at 6:36 AM, humuk wrote: >>> Also, for some reason audio files are playing randomly in a Logic >>> sequence - >>> for example the backing vocals will play at the start of the >>> track even >>> though they are not placed anywhere near there. >> I sometimes get this, but only with audio on the first one (or two, if stereo) TDM tracks. For that reason, I usually reserve tracks one and two for reference/guide material, and start my project files with track three. It's never a big problem. ------------------------------------

I have been running it on Leopard 10.5.3 for a few weeks and I have had nothing but trouble. Crashes, bugs and plug-in problems. I installed the PT/DAE update yesterday (7.4.2) and i am hoping for a substantial improvement. So far it's been very very buggy. I was forced to switch to a MacPro 8-core and PT HD on Leopard from G4 and PT Mix+ on Panther in February and it has been the most stressful migration i have experienced in my career. For weeks nothing was working they way it was supposed to. Now slowly all developers are catching up with Leopard but still there's been many many drawbacks from this change. If i would have known before i would have tried to buy a previous MacPro with Tiger support. I used to participate in this group many years ago when DTDM first started, but after a while everything was running smooth and i didn't feel the necessity to know every detail about it so i lost track. I am pleased to see that it's still around when needed. Funny to see the same people on it (ferenc, Lee etc.).

xaver i am on the precipice of buying a leopard core mac pro myself, can you share your issues, specifically the third party developer ones, and Protools issues? Thanks! On Jun 21, 2008, at 3:38 AM, Xaver Naudascher wrote: > Message posted by Xaver Naudascher <info@supersoulrecordings.com>: > > I have been running it on Leopard 10.5.3 for a few weeks and I have > had nothing but trouble. Crashes, bugs and plug-in problems. I > installed the PT/DAE update yesterday (7.4.2) and i am hoping for a > substantial improvement. So far it's been very very buggy. I was > forced to switch to a MacPro 8-core and PT HD on Leopard from G4 > and PT Mix+ on Panther in February and it has been the most > stressful migration i have experienced in my career. For weeks > nothing was working they way it was supposed to. Now slowly all > developers are catching up with Leopard but still there's been many > many drawbacks from this change. If i would have known before i > would have tried to buy a previous MacPro with Tiger support. > I used to participate in this group many years ago when DTDM first > started, but after a while everything was running smooth and i > didn't feel the necessity to know every detail about it so i lost > track. I am pleased to see that it's still around when needed. > Funny to see the same people on it (ferenc, Lee etc.). > > ------------------------------------

Blaske Lee <leeblaske@mac.com> wrote: > >>> Also, for some reason audio files are playing randomly in a Logic > >>> sequence - > >>> for example the backing vocals will play at the start of the > >>> track even > >>> though they are not placed anywhere near there. > >> > I sometimes get this, but only with audio on the first one (or two, > if stereo) TDM tracks. For that reason, I usually reserve tracks one > and two for reference/guide material, and start my project files with > track three. It's never a big problem. Hi Lee, I use this workaround as well - works fine on LP 7.2.3 with PT 7.3.1. However, on Logic 8.0.2 this "random Audio" goes wild sometimes, playing tracks 5,6, 10,11, and so on. Have you experienced this - and any ideas how to workaround that ?

Sometimes when I get this I delete the fade files (in the audio window/bin), and when Logic rebuilds them (automatically) the problem disappears. On Jun 23, 2008, at 3:36 AM, Juergen Fritz wrote: > Message posted by Juergen Fritz <j.fritz@unicmedia.com>: > > Blaske Lee <leeblaske@mac.com> wrote: > > >>> Also, for some reason audio files are playing randomly in a > Logic > > >>> sequence - > > >>> for example the backing vocals will play at the start of the > > >>> track even > > >>> though they are not placed anywhere near there. > > >> > > > I sometimes get this, but only with audio on the first one (or two, > > if stereo) TDM tracks. For that reason, I usually reserve tracks one > > and two for reference/guide material, and start my project files > with > > track three. It's never a big problem. > > Hi Lee, > I use this workaround as well - works fine on LP 7.2.3 with PT 7.3.1. > However, on Logic 8.0.2 this "random Audio" goes wild sometimes, > playing tracks 5,6, 10,11, and so on. > Have you experienced this - and any ideas how to workaround that ? > > ------------------------------------

Matt McKenna <skylabfilmpop@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > i am on the precipice of buying a leopard core mac pro myself, can > you share your issues, specifically the third party developer ones, > and Protools issues? Thanks! It's still all very buggy. I would wait another 4-8 weeks if i were you. Under the current setup (Logic 8.02, PT 7.4.2 and Leopard 10.5.3 on a MacPro 8-core) following 3rd party products are unusable: Absynth 3, Battery 2, Intakt, Kompakt (hence the EastWest QL Platinum Library can only be opened in Kontakt 2). Basically half of my Komplete 2 package i could trash. Also under Logic the TDM plugins don't accept numeric entries (no double-click and entry is possible)... Very annoying as i don't like fiddling knobs and faders with my mouse. Now finally East West have released a PLAY version of the Platinum Orchestra but i haven't received it yet so i can't say if it's any good. Stormdrum 2 on PLAY runs fine as far as i can tell since i pretty knew to the PLAY software. ProTools seems to run fine, at least from what i have tested so far. Only the RTAS Melodyne Plugin plays up sometimes (i get a message that the CPU is maxed out even though all that is palying is an instrumental and the vocal in question to be processed in Melodyne.

--- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "Xaver Naudascher" <forums@...> wrote: > It's still all very buggy. I would wait another 4-8 weeks if i were you. > Under the current setup (Logic 8.02, PT 7.4.2 and Leopard 10.5.3 on a MacPro 8-core) > following 3rd party products are unusable: > Absynth 3, Battery 2, Intakt, Kompakt (hence the EastWest QL Platinum Library can only > be opened in Kontakt 2). Basically half of my Komplete 2 package i could trash. I appreciate your concerns but Komplete is now at Version 5! Possible upgrade time? G ------------------------------------

"Gareth Jones" <yahoolist@garethjones.com> wrote: > I appreciate your concerns but Komplete is now at Version 5! > Possible upgrade time? maybe it's a sign. :D seriously i missed the point when it would have been wise to do so and know i'd have to pay out of my nose. anyway some softwares in the package haven't been updated and are not supported anymore at all on Intel Macs.

"Gareth Jones" <yahoolist@garethjones.com> wrote: > Possible upgrade time? and anyway upgrades don't spare you the compatibility blues when switching systems! as i was just checking how much the upgrade to Komplete 5 would be now i saw this: http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=leopard&L=1&nitr=1&am p;l_src=support&tsr_id=59574 sounds like fun

> > Also under Logic the TDM plugins don't accept numeric entries (no > double-click and entry is possible)... Very annoying > as i don't like fiddling knobs and faders with my mouse. > > > my work around currently is setting these values with an automation line. Properly zoomed in you can get pretty accurate and i assume if you wanted to open the automation event list you could put the exact values in. -judson ------------------------------------

>> Also under Logic the TDM plugins don't accept numeric entries (no >> double-click and entry is possible)... Very annoying >> as i don't like fiddling knobs and faders with my mouse. > > my work around currently is setting these values with an automation > line. Properly zoomed in you can get pretty accurate and > i assume if you wanted to open the automation event list you could > put the exact values in. > > -judson Logic TDM users are the kings of workarounds :) Btw the bug doesn't affect all TDM plugs. You can still type values with Waves and Soundtoys (Echoboy). Martin ------------------------------------

I can't type values into the Digi "Extra Long Delay" - any workarounds? The slider has large incremental grids On Jun 24, 2008, at 12:10 PM, martin wrote: > >> Also under Logic the TDM plugins don't accept numeric entries (no > >> double-click and entry is possible)... Very annoying > >> as i don't like fiddling knobs and faders with my mouse. > > > > my work around currently is setting these values with an automation > > line. Properly zoomed in you can get pretty accurate and > > i assume if you wanted to open the automation event list you could > > put the exact values in. > > > > -judson > > Logic TDM users are the kings of workarounds :) > > Btw the bug doesn't affect all TDM plugs. You can still type values > with > Waves and Soundtoys (Echoboy). > > Martin > > ------------------------------------

Anyone ever seen an error message about a "wrong" or "incorrect" Magic ID? This from a PT session uploaded with attendant audio files - created in 7.4 but I'm opening in 7.3 (if that makes a difference) could it be corrupt due to upload/download? anything else? Thanks Greg ------------------------------------

Just switched to Logic 8 recently, doing first big project in it today. Every time I move/cut/edit a region (audio or MIDI) my core audio engine reloads all its plugins. I only notice it with Kontakt and Vienna though as it actually happens very fast. Running: Dual 2.7 G5 Logic 8.02 2408 mk iii Vienna Ensemble 3 server (using separate PC) PT HD2 7.4.1 Kontakt 2 Any ideas? I'm running a couple demo Vienna instruments that will quickly lose their status (you only get a certain number of starts) if this keeps up. I've restarted and the same thing. It started happening as soon as I started recording audio on DAE tracks. thanks for any insight. ------------------------------------