So your are not using any tdm, sounds like core-audio only to me why bother with PT On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:03 AM, ricky wrote: > Message posted by ricky <ricky@meganite.co.uk>: > > it's not only a matter of audio.. when audio is flanging also any > virtual instruments you have in core audio will start +- 200 > samples every time you press play, you will loose accuracy even > between core audio tracks and core audio virtual instruments!! > i hear this difference a lot, i use a sidechain compressor on the > bass drum and i can hear well every little change, i like managing > every delay manually, no delay compensation, and i want that every > time i press play it sounds exactly the same as last time. > > Anyway as i said remove any tdm tracks exstdm and esb and core > audio will be back synced again, hope they will fix it one day so > we will be able to use again esb togheter with core audio. > >

apple says not to use more than 2 systems togheter, tdm+dtdm or tdm+core audio you have core audio for audio tracks, it's much better to use them... also you can work without stereo splitted files. assuming you have enough in/outs from ca to tdm to work without having to group tracks ;)

skylabfilmpop <skylabfilmpop@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Im with Brio What¹s the point of using TDM Hardware with no TDM tracks or processing? AN HD 1 or 2 sounds like a pretty f¹ing expensive core audio interface! I think you could buy 4 apogee ensembles in its place! You¹ll get the best results from guesstimating your offsets using the age old musical tools known as your ears and that thing between them! -- I can records from dae interfaces, i just have to route the signal to core audio.... nothing changes... it's a digital routing you get the same results. probably i will switch to a native system soon.. but not until i change my g5 to a intel one, also i have tons of pro plug-ins in TDM, including virus and so on... it's not exactly the same ;) i like focusrites for eq i use them since 1996.. i will try to keep tdm as long as i can !!!!

i want to be clear... do this test create an empty song with dtdm turned off and nothing playing from tdm audio tracks. put an exs24 on core audio intrument 1 and do a pattern and loop it over the song... then bounce let's say 1 minute of that loop and put the bounced file in core audio track 1 now if you press play it should play in Sync, perfectly in sync. do not cycle the song.. loop the audio and midi and listen over the song.. now in the audio you have just bounced do some random cuts over the file in arrange with the scissor.. do not move the audio.. just cut. now create a tdm audio track and load anything you want on that... put the audio in arrange, lower the volume if you want as you don't need to hear it. press play now.. you will hear that even exs24 and core audio track will flange.. and the flange changes everytime you have do the cut with the scissors. so in sync with what? in sync with itself ;) you can still use tdm plug-ins and processings on 1- any live input on your tdm 2- any aux 3- any digital or adat input you have from core audio, i have 24 in to put tdm plug.ins that is enough for me. i prefer being sample accurate than using tdm tracks, and i prefer core audio tracks than dae tracks so i finally stop working with stereo splitted files. hope it's clear now ;)

What are your Sync Settings for the two engines in Logic? Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de Am 07.02.2008 um 12:15 schrieb ricky: > Message posted by ricky <ricky@meganite.co.uk>: > > i want to be clear... do this test > > create an empty song with dtdm turned off and nothing playing from > tdm audio tracks. > > put an exs24 on core audio intrument 1 and do a pattern and loop it > over the song... > then bounce let's say 1 minute of that loop and put the bounced file > in core audio track 1 > > now if you press play it should play in Sync, perfectly in sync. > > do not cycle the song.. loop the audio and midi and listen over the > song.. > > now in the audio you have just bounced do some random cuts over the > file in arrange with the scissor.. do not move the audio.. just cut. > > now create a tdm audio track and load anything you want on that... > put the audio in arrange, lower the volume if you want as you don't > need to hear it. > > press play now.. you will hear that even exs24 and core audio track > will flange.. and the flange changes everytime you have do the cut > with the scissors. > > so in sync with what? in sync with itself ;) > > you can still use tdm plug-ins and processings on > > 1- any live input on your tdm > 2- any aux > 3- any digital or adat input you have from core audio, i have 24 in > to put tdm plug.ins that is enough for me. > > i prefer being sample accurate than using tdm tracks, and i prefer > core audio tracks than dae tracks so i finally stop working with > stereo splitted files. > > hope it's clear now ;) > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Hello Im a total Logic newbie, I've been using pro tools for years. trying to find out info before I purchase a 24mix system. Are there advantages using tdm with logic 8? is it still possible? is it worth trouble to deal with? I'm interested in this for final mixing and some mastering for indy projects. Thanks in advance for your time.

TMarx <[ mailto:djnumbawun%40yahoo.com ]djnumbawun@yahoo.com> writes: > ....trying to find out info before I purchase a 24mix > system. Are there advantages using tdm with logic 8? Logic Pro 7.1.1 is the last version to support MIX hardware. Unless you absolutely need to use ProTools software, don't get Digidesign hardware to use with Logic. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

Don¹t bother with the mix system. The OS requirements are handicapping, no rtas virtual instruments, hard to find viable plugins, VI¹s and other software too (I couldn¹t even BUY Quicktime Pro) , etc Picking up a Digi 0002 with an apogee Rosetta 200 and a decent G5 is a better option. Once you are there you don¹t really need Logic unless you are James Newton Howard. Protools 7.4 is a totally viable sequencer for 95% of the people. --

On Feb 8, 2008, at 2:25 AM, skylabfilmpop wrote: > Picking up a Digi > 0002 with an apogee Rosetta 200 and a decent G5 is a better option. That's if you prefer working in PT to working in Logic, or if you'd rather stay with Logic, don't ever get any Digi hardware unless you absolutely need Pro Tools. Best, Andy

Thanks...thats what I was afraid of...

Peter Duemmler <merlin@merlinsound.de> wrote: > What are your Sync Settings for the two engines in Logic? what? sync settings? i haven't touch anything... you mean the slider "recording delay" under the device tab? we are inside the same app there are no options to sync the 2 engines... oviously i've synched digital clock, the 96 is the master.. all other digi interface are synced by word clock and the motu takes digi sync from the adat. are you talking about something else ?

In the Project-Settings there's a Syncronisation/Audio tab where you set the sync to digital, external, mtc trigger etc. per driver/hardware. Peter --- http://www.merlinsound.de Am 08.02.2008 um 14:36 schrieb ricky: > Message posted by ricky <ricky@meganite.co.uk>: > > Peter Duemmler <merlin@merlinsound.de> wrote: >> What are your Sync Settings for the two engines in Logic? > > what? > > sync settings? i haven't touch anything... you mean the slider > "recording delay" under the device tab? > > we are inside the same app there are no options to sync the 2 > engines... > > oviously i've synched digital clock, the 96 is the master.. all > other digi interface are synced by word clock and the motu takes > digi sync from the adat. > > are you talking about something else ?

Hi guys - can I get a quick roll call vote on which versions of ProTools and OSX are working best with Logic 8 these days? Many thanks!!! --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, c2 <c2@...> wrote: > > Hi Evan > > I'm running on Leopard, using LP 8 on a G5 DP 2ghz with 4.5 gigs of > RAM, running LP in DAE and CA mode. I have a digi Digital HD192 > connected via ADAT into a MOTU Traveller. I've also used an Apogee > Ensemble as the CA i/o, and a Yamaha's mLan (i88x/01x). Everything > runs fine (except mLan right now that isn't supported on Leopard). > > I've also had success with LP 8 running in DAE and DTDM (not using CA > in this mode though). > > Happy New Years, > > Craig > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Evan Benjamin wrote: > > > I appreciate that that works for you, but I do need PT for alot of > > things. So i'll ask-what do people like for a Core Audio interface? I > > need 8-16 dig out into PT only-no mic pre, no analog. Does such a > > thing exist? > > > > -Evan Benjamin > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Andy Hardwake wrote: > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 31, 2007, at 12:07 PM, "Bob DeMaa" > > > <bobdemaa@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I concur. I bailed on DTDM years ago and got a dedicate Core Audio > > > > interface to feed into Pro Tools. I have no regrets whatsoever. > > > > > > And I went even farther and dropped Digi altogether. Now I'm > > > absolutely > > > happy with my Logic-Apogee combo - great sound, rock solid (not a > > > single > > > crash in weeks), great performance... No regrets either. > > > > > > Happy New Year to all! > > > > > > Love, Peace and Music, > > > > > > Andy > > > (Logic Apogee list admin > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-apogee>; ) >

Ricky - I read your post below with much interest. I have found it incredibly frustrating to do anything in Logic involving sidechaining, parallel compression, snare triggers from EXS, etc - basically any of the "normal" techniques I would reach for in the "analog mix world" to make my drums sound fatter. The unpredictable "timing slop" between the virtual instruments, CoreAudio and DAE tracks makes these techniques essentially useless. How do you work around this? Do you bounce / print everything? Are you no longer using DAE at all? Thanks for any tips!! --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, "ricky" <forums@...> wrote: > > Message posted by ricky <ricky@...>: > > i want to be clear... do this test > > create an empty song with dtdm turned off and nothing playing from tdm audio tracks. > > put an exs24 on core audio intrument 1 and do a pattern and loop it over the song... > then bounce let's say 1 minute of that loop and put the bounced file in core audio track 1 > > now if you press play it should play in Sync, perfectly in sync. > > do not cycle the song.. loop the audio and midi and listen over the song.. > > now in the audio you have just bounced do some random cuts over the file in arrange with the scissor.. do not move the audio.. just cut. > > now create a tdm audio track and load anything you want on that... put the audio in arrange, lower the volume if you want as you don't need to hear it. > > press play now.. you will hear that even exs24 and core audio track will flange.. and the flange changes everytime you have do the cut with the scissors. > > so in sync with what? in sync with itself ;) > > you can still use tdm plug-ins and processings on > > 1- any live input on your tdm > 2- any aux > 3- any digital or adat input you have from core audio, i have 24 in to put tdm plug.ins that is enough for me. > > i prefer being sample accurate than using tdm tracks, and i prefer core audio tracks than dae tracks so i finally stop working with stereo splitted files. > > hope it's clear now ;) >

Hi There Protools is compatible with Leopard, has anyone tried this ? If so, how does it work with logic ? Cheers Dennis

i haven't touched anything there... anyway i don't think it cares about anything in that page.. that is for synching in and to external stuff, core audio, dtdm and tdm are synched internally, anyway i've tried changing mtc to trigger and continuos but nothing changes Peter Duemmler <merlin@merlinsound.de> wrote: > In the Project-Settings there's a Syncronisation/Audio tab where you set the sync to digital, external, mtc trigger etc. per driver/hardware.

i've already written how i'm working right now some threads ago, anyway: i'm actually working with ca+tdm (2408mk1 <-> 96+adatbridge) and i'm really happy, i have abandoned dtdm, exstdm and tdm audio tracks. i use tdm as a 24in/out mixer, with his plugs. so (coreaudio instruments and audiotrakcs)--->(tdm mixing+live inputs for external machines+premastering)--->(core audio track for bounce) even bounces in tdm have problems, that's why i have to reroute for the final bounce. many advantages working in this way: 1-i can use solo on audio tracks cause i solo inside core audio, tdm solo is bugged in LP8. 2-no stereo splitted files anymore!! 3-i can use audiounit on live inputs (or any aux/premaster/master)!! (that is a great thing for tdm users, while it looks normal to other users). 4-i have the option to use a digital connection for standard mac out, it uses adat 1-2, i've disconnected the minijack finally!! on the bad side i have to play a bit with time adjusters and i have only 24 in/out from core audio to tdm, that is like having 3esb but we have to consider that i'm using audio tracks also in ca. i have a track right now i'm using 17 core outs, 5 mono sounds + 6 stereo, i still have 7 out to use.. when i'm about to full the output i will group some sounds that doesn't need much fx, or i just use fx in core audio and go to a clean tdm input, like a subgroup. this is really personal but i do not work a lot with audio tracks.. i mostly use VIs and few external machines, and this configuration just fill my needs. Ciao! "erockerboy" <erockerboy@yahoo.com> wrote: > Ricky - I read your post below with much interest. I have found it incredibly frustrating to do anything in Logic involving sidechaining, parallel compression, snare triggers from EXS, etc - basically any of the "normal" techniques I would reach for in the "analog mix world" to make my drums sound fatter. The unpredictable "timing slop" between the virtual instruments, CoreAudio and DAE tracks makes these techniques essentially useless. How do you work around this? Do you bounce / print everything? Are you no longer using DAE at all? Thanks for any tips!!

Now that waves is compatible with Leopard I'm thinking of making the Jump on my G5 Dual 2.5, HD3, Logic 8.0.1, PTS 7.3.1cs4 system. Can anyone fill me in as to what combos are working on Leopard ? Thanks

Hi everyone, This is the first time I've needed to post, so I'm hoping someone can help. I use Logic 8 with Core Audio accessing my Digidesign HD3 hardware. It's running great, except for the massive latency when trying to record vocals. If anyone has this issue, or knows a solution, please let me know. I really appreciate it, and I depend on this forum. Les

On Feb 15, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Les Correa wrote: > > I use Logic 8 with Core Audio accessing my Digidesign HD3 hardware. > > It's running great, except for the massive latency when trying to > record > vocals. Digi CoreAudio driver doesn't allow you to set buffer size smaller than 512 samples. Best, Andy

Oops, sorry, confused HD3 with 003... Sounds like I have already forgotten all Digi terminology since dropping Digi last summer. Sorry for the confusion guys. Best, Andy On Feb 15, 2008, at 11:52 PM, Andy Hardwake wrote: > > On Feb 15, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Les Correa wrote: >> >> I use Logic 8 with Core Audio accessing my Digidesign HD3 hardware. >> >> It's running great, except for the massive latency when trying to >> record >> vocals. > > Digi CoreAudio driver doesn't allow you to set buffer size smaller > than 512 samples. > > Best, > > Andy > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

try enabling "low latency mode" while recording, you can find that button on the transport (assuming you haven't changed it) as alternative try turning off plug-in delay compensation Also you should not have any tdm plug-in running on any channel that comes from the voice, premasters, masters etc.. bypass any tdm plug-in you have from the enabled audio track for recording to the speakers out to minimize latency. Les Correa <lescorrea@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, This is the first time I've needed to post, so I'm hoping someone can help. I use Logic 8 with Core Audio accessing my Digidesign HD3 hardware. It's running great, except for the massive latency when trying to record vocals. If anyone has this issue, or knows a solution, please let me know. I really appreciate it, and I depend on this forum. Les

Thanks Guys, It worked! I'm not actually running TDM mode, just letting Logic access Core Audio. If you don't mind, I have another question... When composing a song, and needing a buffer of 512 to avoid pops and crackles, how do you switch to a buffer of 128 or 64 for recording vocals to those tracks? I'm just wondering, because even with low latency on, the vocals sounded more instant on 64 then say 512 or even 128. Thanks again, Les

Keith, did you ever experience difficulties when switching back and forth between 24bit and 16bit in DAE? On my system (Mac Pro 8core, Protools HD3 Accel, Logic 8.0.1) I have to power cycle everytime I do this. Not only that logic will quit "unexpectedly" but also when trying to restart logic the systen will freeze... Best Reinhard khaarmeyer@aol.com wrote: > I haven't had any issues with LOGIC 8 with DTDM and DAE. Although I don't mix in LOGIC I do all of my programming and use many EXS24 and AU instrument plugins. After that I burn everything as Audio Files and mix in Protools. I am on MAC PRO 4 CORE Keith

HI . I use logic 8 with DAE/ DTDM. I have one quick question. I have universal track mode checked in the audio setup window. Shouldnt that allow for stereo interleaved files to play on a single stereo dae track in logic? Whats happening is everytime i try and bring in an audiofile it says i must convert it to split. Then when i drag it onta a track, it is split. If i drag it from the audio file window and tell it to place the files on existing tracks, i get 4 files! Can anyone explain how this works? is there a wat to have a stereo file show up on one track? Thanks