OTOH, iLife '08 just came out, and now even GarageBand has music notation. How can PT be simultaneously so advanced, and so primitive at the same time? I still have this tingly sensation that whenever we get the next announcement from Apple regarding the future of Logic (most likely coinciding with the release of Leopard), our socks are going to be knocked off. I have this gut feeling that in the not too distant future, PT will no longer be needed in my life. Apple is going to deliver an elegant and extremely powerful solution. Have faith. Just watch. No doubt, Digidesign's next big move will also be extremely fascinating. I predict that among other things, they're going to have to do some major work on RTAS. It's simply not up to snuff. From a standpoint of power, I don't know how Digidesign can hope to compete in a native environment if Apple is using kernel level audio and midi, and they're not. Lee Blaske On Aug 8, 2007, at 3:32 PM, martin wrote: >> I guess it's a little early to speculate about Logic's compatibility >> regarding this, but on page 3 in the Digizine Summer 2007 Dave Lebolt >> mentions that super-high-grade elastic audio coming to ProTools in >> the >> future. When Digi says "super-high-grade", I'm willing to believe >> them. I >> fear it's going to be an RTAS thing but if it worked on TDM tracks >> in Logic >> it would be awesome. Anyone got more info? >> >> Martin

The majority of protools use is by people who don¹t need notation, people working as if it were a tape machine, people doing foley etc. Saying that is like saying how come the Lexus parks itself and the Mercedes doesn¹t? The Merc must be stone age technology and not worth the premium. Its more accurate to acknowledge that its a feature that some may need and others not, and likely the ones who do would choose a sequencer like logic over a DAW like protools anyway although I have to admit after doing the work to generate a lead sheet in logic for a session to recording some bass and drums for some library music, , de bugging the ZOOM bug along the way, I could have written it faster manually AND tracked all the bass parts myself, learned the trumpet solved the mystery of the davinci code..... Were I recording an orchestra with a budget I¹d hire an arranger to analize the MIDI files and correct the notation errors which notation software generally makes. I guess if I need notation from a protools session I could make a midi file and open it in garage band now too, it probably doesn¹t have that zoom bug either. thanks Apple!!! My point is that notation software for many users like myself who are sole proprietors and freelancers who usually perform everything themselves is way down the list of features I use regularly, and Logic has plenty of those that need work badly, #1 being the fantasy that it competes with protools Back in the emagic days it was happily a complimentary program. Apples and oranges different strengths. I¹d never expect James Newton Howard to work sole on Protools, and would never expect Chris Goss to use Logic. Apple might pull a a Rabbit out of its hat and I would be pleasantly surprised and be totally on board as I need to move on from my MIX based system but I fear their corporate focus is way too broad to effectively develop a program that is truly pro and the time they are taking to fix what has become a wanting and stagnant program is causing attrition from the brand IMO. I need Logic for specific things but being someone who is doing more and more audio and is less and less satisfied with the sound of programmed instruments I find myself using it less and less.

"The majority of protools use is by people who don´t need notation, people working as if it were a tape machine, people doing foley etc. My point is that notation software for many users like myself who are sole proprietors and freelancers who usually perform everything themselves is way down the list of features I use regularly." Sure Skylabfilmpop, we all have different needs, I for one usually lay down the basic tracks in Logic´s well developed MIDI environment, then I proceed to bring in musician(s) to record audio tracks. This is where PT excels, both as far as tracking and mixing goes. Once in a while I bring in a bunch of musicians playing along the same lines, like a horn section or a string ensemble. To speed up the workflow notation is pretty essential to me at those times. I´m pretty sure there´s many of us out there working on different budgets for different projects. Finding that integrated DAW solution that performs all those tasks transparently is still essential to me. And for years we´ve been so close, so darn close it hurts to see that we´re still not getting there! /E 2x1.8, 4Gb RAM, OSX 10.4.7 PPC,HD Accel 3, PT 7.3.1cs2, L7.2.3 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB erikhausler@mac.com www.futurelove.se www.futurelove.se

So Eric, Your using Protools 7.3 with Logic? I'm still on 7.1 because PT 7.2 didn't work w/ Logic. I have 7.1 c10 and Logic 7.2.3 on a quad PPC, 6.5 gig ram,HD 3 accel, 10.4.8 OS. Everything is working well so I'm hesitant to upgrade, but there are features in PT 7.3 that I would like to use. Your DTDM is all fine and working well? Cheers, Michael Turner Michael Turner Productions 2603 West Magnolia Bl. Burbank, CA 91505 818-562-3242 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

"So Erik, Your using Protools 7.3 with Logic? I'm still on 7.1 because PT 7.2 didn't work w/ Logic. I have 7.1 c10 and Logic 7.2.3 on a quad PPC, 6.5 gig ram,HD 3 accel, 10.4.8 OS. Everything is working well so I'm hesitant to upgrade, but there are features in PT 7.3 that I would like to use. Your DTDM is all fine and working well? Cheers, Michael Turner" Hi Michael, I´m as stable as ever on this setup. You were quite right to be weary about PT7.2, I was warned about it in time and never installed it whereas 7.3 is up to par. DTDM still works like a charm. So your computer´s a PPC Mac? Obviously it worked for you before so I guess it is. Excuse my ignorance... If so then OSX 10.4.8 is recommended. If PT7.1cs10 works for you I´d say go for it. Good luck and all the best! /Erik 2x1.8, 4Gb RAM, OSX 10.4.8 PPC,HD Accel 3, PT 7.3.1cs3, L7.2.3 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB erikhausler@mac.com www.futurelove.se

Has anybody tried it? I'm on 10.4.8 which works fine but I'm hoping to eradicate some crashes I occasionally get when loading new songs (when using core audio and DAE at the same time) with perhaps this system update. Dom

10.4.10 works fine, not sure it will address your issue. I do use Core Audio with a different non Digidesign interface while using Pro Tools all the time though, and don't get crashes related to that specifically. But I will say that the Rosetta 800 is overall much more stable in 10.4.10, which tells me the OS must have addressed Core Audio to some degree. bd On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:49 AM, Dom wrote: > Message posted by Dom <lug@crimsonnoise.co.uk>: > > Has anybody tried it? I'm on 10.4.8 which works fine but I'm hoping to > eradicate some crashes I occasionally get when loading new songs > (when using > core audio and DAE at the same time) with perhaps this system update. > > Dom > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Greg Critchley <greg@gregcritchley.com> wrote: >apparently Logic does save mixer routings that it can't reload. An identical problem happens with ProTools. It's actually a flaw in the DAE. The DAE can't remember exactly where DSP was loaded into (on which cards, and on which chips). So when you recall a session, it reloads everything in a different order than you created the session in the first place (maybe alphabetical? maybe by track number?), and attempts to fill up the DSP cards starting from card #1, chip #1. An since not all chips or cards are necessarily identical, it's possible to run out of DSP prematurely. A good example of this is when the DAE instanciates a plugin in a chip that is overkill for it (when it would work perfectly fine in a "lesser" chip). This could then prevent a more DSP-intensive plugin from ocuppying this chip, and other empty chips wouldn't work. In other words, certain plugins require certain chips. Some plugins work on every chip. f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>

Thanks a lot Bob - I'll give it a go then. Dom

Bob, which ProTools version are you on with OS 10.4.10 and Logic? I'm still at PT 7.1x (+Logic 7.2.1) and only the latest PT versions gets tested by Digi. Reading from the Digi docs there also seems to be a potential pre-binding problem with 10.4.10, PT and Quicktime 7.2. Martin > From: Bob DeMaa <bobdemaa@mac.com> > > 10.4.10 works fine, not sure it will address your issue. I do use > Core Audio with a different non Digidesign interface while using Pro > Tools all the time though, and don't get crashes related to that > specifically. > > But I will say that the Rosetta 800 is overall much more stable in > 10.4.10, which tells me the OS must have addressed Core Audio to some > degree. > > bd

Hello Folks, Just wondering if those that have upgraded to OS X 10.4.10 have also installed the latest pro app support..? Im considering going to 4.10 as although i have the most reliable system ive had for 3 years theres still a few problems. When im in a project that is heavy on TDM and DTDM when i hit play i sometimes get a pop or click sound and DTDM dissappears ( instruments etc.). Sometimes i get the pop on play and on stopping, but the audio from the DTDM side continues to play, and these sounds become really irritating over time. Reboot and its fine again. Probably foolishly hopeing that this upgrade would fix my last remaining bugbear.! Thanks, Mark OS X 10.4.8, Logic 7.2.1, G5 2.5 gig dual,4 gig ram, HD3 Accel. --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, martin <mbox@...> wrote: > > Bob, which ProTools version are you on with OS 10.4.10 and Logic? > > I'm still at PT 7.1x (+Logic 7.2.1) and only the latest PT versions gets > tested by Digi. Reading from the Digi docs there also seems to be a > potential pre-binding problem with 10.4.10, PT and Quicktime 7.2. > > Martin > > > > From: Bob DeMaa <bobdemaa@...> > > > > 10.4.10 works fine, not sure it will address your issue. I do use > > Core Audio with a different non Digidesign interface while using Pro > > Tools all the time though, and don't get crashes related to that > > specifically. > > > > But I will say that the Rosetta 800 is overall much more stable in > > 10.4.10, which tells me the OS must have addressed Core Audio to some > > degree. > > > > bd >

PT 7.3.1cs4 OSX 10.4.10 Recent Pro Application support = yes (Rescanning AU Plug-ins a PIA yes ;) G5 Dual 2.7, 4.5Ram, HD2 with Expansion Chassis. I do not use DTDM. For me it never was very reliable mostly since Logic 7 came out. FWIW. But I was running DAE / Core audio sessions last week with no major hickups other than Logic doesn't like 96 voices on 2 chips. bd On Aug 14, 2007, at 7:25 AM, martin wrote: > Bob, which ProTools version are you on with OS 10.4.10 and Logic? > > I'm still at PT 7.1x (+Logic 7.2.1) and only the latest PT versions > gets > tested by Digi. Reading from the Digi docs there also seems to be a > potential pre-binding problem with 10.4.10, PT and Quicktime 7.2. > > Martin > > >> From: Bob DeMaa <bobdemaa@mac.com> >> >> 10.4.10 works fine, not sure it will address your issue. I do use >> Core Audio with a different non Digidesign interface while using Pro >> Tools all the time though, and don't get crashes related to that >> specifically. >> >> But I will say that the Rosetta 800 is overall much more stable in >> 10.4.10, which tells me the OS must have addressed Core Audio to some >> degree. >> >> bd > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Logic TDM Users Group - new forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/L- > TDM > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email logic-tdm-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/L-TDM/ > search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

"When im in a project that is heavy on TDM and DTDM when i hit play i sometimes get a pop or click sound and DTDM dissappears ( instruments etc.). Sometimes i get the pop on play and on stopping, but the audio from the DTDM side continues to play, and these sounds become really irritating over time. Reboot and its fine again." Hi Mark, have you been running the "three wise programs" on your rig lately? The occasional Disk tools/DiskWarrior/iDefrag treatment (the latter I ´ve only had to use once) works wonders at least over here. /E 2x1.8, 4Gb RAM, OSX 10.4.8 PPC,HD Accel 3, PT 7.3.1cs3, L7.2.3 _______________________________ Erik Häusler Future Love Productions AB erikhausler@mac.com www.futurelove.se

Hey Eric, thanks for your reply. I use YASU periodically , which does permissions etc at part of its cycle. Thats about it. When you mention disk tools which program do you mean.? On a search i found references to the disk utility that comes with OS X ( i also do this one just in case every now and then). The others i havent dared use yet. Im in the middle of a big project, and although im completely backed up im a bit scared of using anything new ( just to avoid the hastle of if it goes wrong having to revert to abckup, copy etc etc .) Have you had any problems using Disk tools/DiskWarrior/iDefrag treatment , or so far has it done what it says on the tin without hastle? Much thanks Mark Sayfritz --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Erik Häusler <erikhausler@...> wrote: > > "When im in a project that is heavy on TDM and DTDM > when i hit play i sometimes get a pop or click sound and DTDM > dissappears ( instruments > etc.). Sometimes i get the pop on play and on stopping, but the audio > from the DTDM side > continues to play, and these sounds become really irritating over time. > Reboot and its fine again." > > Hi Mark, > have you been running the "three wise programs" on your rig lately? > The occasional Disk tools/DiskWarrior/iDefrag treatment (the latter I > ´ve only had to use once) works wonders at least over here. > > /E > > > 2x1.8, 4Gb RAM, OSX 10.4.8 PPC,HD Accel 3, PT 7.3.1cs3, L7.2.3 > _______________________________ > Erik Häusler > Future Love Productions AB > erikhausler@... > www.futurelove.se > > > > > > >

Hi Mark, yes, I was referring to the Disk Tool utility that comes with OSX. I haven´t had any problems with Disk Warrior so far, AFAIU it basically puts the catalog files at the beginning of the HD to speed up file handling, and it does a great job of it. I understand your concern about making changes in the middle of a big session though! I was pretty much forced to use them in a similar situation at the beginning of the year ´cause I wasn´t getting anywhere due to constant crashes. But DW pretty much did the trick and all of a sudden I was able to get the workflow going again. Now that I´ve installed new HD´s (both SATA disks) they are as speedy and stable as can possibly be expected (with the occasional crash, but our systems are so complicated that I´m amazed that they work together so well). All the best to you and good luck! /E Hey Eric, thanks for your reply. I use YASU periodically , which does permissions etc at part of its cycle. Thats about it. When you mention disk tools which program do you mean.? On a search i found references to the disk utility that comes with OS X ( i also do this one just in case every now and then). The others i havent dared use yet. Im in the middle of a big project, and although im completely backed up im a bit scared of using anything new ( just to avoid the hastle of if it goes wrong having to revert to abckup, copy etc etc .) Have you had any problems using Disk tools/DiskWarrior/iDefrag treatment , or so far has it done what it says on the tin without hastle? Much thanks Mark Sayfritz --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Erik Häusler <erikhausler@...> wrote: > > "When im in a project that is heavy on TDM and DTDM > when i hit play i sometimes get a pop or click sound and DTDM > dissappears ( instruments > etc.). Sometimes i get the pop on play and on stopping, but the audio > from the DTDM side > continues to play, and these sounds become really irritating over time. > Reboot and its fine again." > > Hi Mark, > have you been running the "three wise programs" on your rig lately? > The occasional Disk tools/DiskWarrior/iDefrag treatment (the latter I > ´ve only had to use once) works wonders at least over here. > > /E > > > 2x1.8, 4Gb RAM, OSX 10.4.8 PPC,HD Accel 3, PT 7.3.1cs3, L7.2.3 > _______________________________ > Erik Häusler > Future Love Productions AB > erikhausler@... > www.futurelove.se

hey all. i just got Miroslav Philharmonik CE, the app opens as a AU in logic 7, but i cant load any sounds? i think i just didnt put thje sounds in the corect folder. anyone know the corect file extention path by chance? its an ik multimedia product. appreciate any help. ty

open the stand alone version and use the preferences to select the samples folder. They can go wherever you want to put them. Also, Be sure you have the most current updates. Chances are the version on the CD is not current. bd On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:08 AM, ALEX BIAGI wrote: > Message posted by ALEX BIAGI <alexdbiagi@yahoo.com>: > > hey all. i just got Miroslav Philharmonik CE, the app opens as a > AU in > logic 7, but i cant load any sounds? i think i just didnt put thje > sounds > in the corect folder. anyone know the corect file extention path > by chance? > its an ik multimedia product. appreciate any help. ty

ty ya i tryed that no luck. let me ask u this... when u go to a sound in your folder say strings, and u click on it, dose the file to the right say .exec? if so is that normal?

My songwriting partner and I are wanting to start writing together again. The problem is that he lives in New York and I live in Florida. I run Logic Pro 7.2 on a MAC G5 using OSX 10.4 he uses Pro Tools LE on a MAC G4. Is there any way we can share data, i.e. audio tracks, MIDI etc.? Any assistance you can give is much appreciated. Thanks, Mike

Hi Michael, try that: www.digitalmusician.net. If you use their small DM-Recorder application, you can have a live connection to your partner via Internet (including talkback and webcam) or you both work offline. This is mainly a file transfer solution with the nice add-on you can have a live connection. To share data bounce everything to single tracks or submixes with a defined starting point and tempo definition. I hope that helps. Kind regards MarkM Am 22.08.2007 2:54 Uhr schrieb "Michael Knox" unter <forums@logic-users.org>: > > > > > Message posted by Michael Knox <mrkmmk@bellsouth.net > <mailto:mrkmmk%40bellsouth.net> >: > > My songwriting partner and I are wanting to start writing together again. > The problem is that he lives in New York and I live in Florida. I run Logic > Pro 7.2 on a MAC G5 using OSX 10.4 he uses Pro Tools LE on a MAC G4. > > Is there any way we can share data, i.e. audio tracks, MIDI etc.? > > Any assistance you can give is much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > -- Mark Ziebarth Mühlenkamp 12 d 22303 Hamburg Telefon: ++494027800926 (Studio) ++491733135456 (mobil) ++494065055216 (Fax)

Hi All, Bought another Logic Key and am using second G5 for Logic hosting various plugins that tend to eat up my main rig. Audio is fed back to main rig via Fireface opti. I do not engage sync on the Logic slave, no midi time code..it sits stationary and just passes audio from the plugs. Audio works well....but the midi is not stable over MidiOverLan. (Which I use successfully thruout the studio for the PC slaves) Once I start the G5 Slave, MOL midi monitor shows input. When I launch Logic, it does not recognize the incoming midi..nothing. Then I quit Logic, hit reset midi drivers in prefs, and it works..for awhile. Although this Logic slave never goes into play, i start to get "audio and midi conflict" messages. All is word clocked properly and sample rates set correctly. Sorry for the long-winded explanation, but in short, does MidiOverLan not work well Mac to Mac? Has anyones used this configuration successfully? Thanks for any advice Mark

Posted by: "ativity2003" me@legativity.com ativity2003 Sun Sep 2, 2007 11:58 am (PST) > does MidiOverLan > not work well Mac to Mac? Has anyones used this configuration > successfully? I've been using MOL Mac-to-Mac for a long time, and it works perfectly. While I haven't been using Logic as a remote host, my guess is that you have a MIDI feedback loop inside Logic. Are you using the Sum connection from the Physical Input object (click and ports Environment layer)? That could do it. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) +1818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

Hi Nick, No, Sum on Physical Input is not connected. I tried it both ways actually, same problem. When I first boot the Logic remote machine and launch Logic app , MOL monitor shows "x-ed" out input triggers and no connection has been made to Logic (although the MoL ports are visible on the Physical Input). If I quit Logic and THEN relaunch Logic a second time, Logic finds the connection and it works. This sequence gets it to work every time. Weird. I don't understand why Logic finds the connection on the second launch and not the first. Anyway, I made a script that, on startup, launches Logic and then quits Logic. Then I launch Logic and it's up. Thanks for anymore thoughts on this Mark --- In logic-tdm@yahoogroups.com, Nick Batzdorf <recording@...> wrote: > > Posted by: "ativity2003" me@... ativity2003 > Sun Sep 2, 2007 11:58 am (PST) > > > does MidiOverLan > > not work well Mac to Mac? Has anyones used this configuration > > successfully? > > I've been using MOL Mac-to-Mac for a long time, and it works > perfectly. While I haven't been using Logic as a remote host, my > guess is that you have a MIDI feedback loop inside Logic. Are you > using the Sum connection from the Physical Input object (click and > ports Environment layer)? That could do it. > > > > Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher > Virtual Instruments Magazine > www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com > 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) > +1818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

Can anyone help me on this one? I've been using tools for a while but want to change to Logic as my main programme. As i understand it logic 7.1 is the last version that will work on 10.3.9. Can i continue to use the 001 as my main interface. thanks

Richard O'Flynn <[ mailto:anfeardubh%40hotmail.com ]anfeardubh@hotmail.com> writes: > As i understand it logic 7.1 is the last version that will work > on 10.3.9. Can i continue to use the 001 as my main interface. You ought to post stuff like this in the generic logic-users list, where you'll get more folks in similar situations. This list is for TDM hardware. Logic 7.1 is compatible with 10.3x or 10.4x. You need to install Digidesign's stand-alone CoreAudio driver to use Logic with 001 (without using ProTools software). f-erenc szabo, smarty pants Z+E+R+O+B+E+A+T "NOW POWERED BY THE MIRACLE OF THE TRANSISTOR!" <http://home.goodmedia.com/~zerobeat>