Hi Peter, > But I have to say I think the RTAS > performance on my system (dual 2.5 G5, 4bg, HD3) sucks A LOT compared to > what Logic > gives me with ESB (which is annoying too I have to say). Agreed about the performance, but at least they sound awesome... OTOH, ESB (though it worked absolutely fine under OS 9) is simply unusable under X and it will always be, even if they fix it, and the one and only reason why I for one will ***never*** use it is its crappy, and I mean it, crappy sound. Same can be said about offline bouncing. To me if I need some ESB tracks in my session, there's no other way then rebooting to 9 and working there... Unfortunately no longer an option for those of you using newer machines :-( . This is the only reason why I don't see Logic TDM as my way for future upgrades and am still trying to decide whether I should move to PT or go native with Logic... Best, Andy