> Maybe that can shed some light on the nature of platform discussions: > "Yesterdays I threw a Mac and a PC out of the window. The PC was > faster." Well, a G5 will be slower here, but it isn't a fair test -all those ventilation holes will increase wind resistance and slow its fall :-)) kind regards Mark Cahill

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, "markdvc2002" <mark@l...> wrote: > > > Maybe that can shed some light on the nature of platform discussions: > > "Yesterdays I threw a Mac and a PC out of the window. The PC was > > faster." > > Well, a G5 will be slower here, but it isn't a fair test -all those > ventilation holes will increase wind resistance and slow its fall :-)) Not true. Holes and rough surfaces can keep the air stream around a properly designed object and therefore stabilize it, which in turn can make it faster. Think of a golfball or those strange looking poles and ledges on some airplane wings. But anyway - who sayed that the Mac was a G5? Do you probably want to start a platform war by indicating that Macs are an aerodynamically catastrophe? ___ Peter Ostry

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Ostry" <po@o...> wrote: > Not true. Holes and rough surfaces can keep the air stream around a properly designed > object and therefore stabilize it, which in turn can make it faster. Think of a golfball True, but a golf ball has "dimples" as opposed to holes, not the same thing at all. Mark - former 9 handicapper ;-)

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, "Martin, Jeremy" <jeremy@l...> wrote: > (redirected to Logic-OT) > > From: Maurits van de Kamp <maurits@b...> > Date: Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:14am > Subject: Re: [LUG] Bye bye > > snip> > There is only one company to blame for Logic dropping support of VST, > and that > company is Steinberg; ready why in the Logic documentation. > ...what about all other software companies ??? ...motu,ableton,cakewalk and console come to my mind now, not sure if reason supports vst but there are also a few hosts out there, and not counting pluggin developers. I understand Steimberg is not calling at Emapple´s door to give them spacifications, but the information is there for a lot of people in this industry, and they make their apps work really good in some cases. Besides that, VST was working pretty well with Logic on both Mac and PC. To me was a major error to drop VST (and also drop PC, but I don´t want to start a plattform war) :-)

(re-directed to Logic-OT) from hank alrich >It´s a shame to loose very valuable people because the weird admin. >politics here. It's an even bigger shame not to be able to handle the heat in the kitchen. The admins do an admirable and largely thankless job. This is a great list and I like the focus, and I consider that focus to be a result of the admin's thoughtful action. I am grateful. -- ha

> ...what about all other software > companies ??? ...motu,ableton,cakewalk and console come to my mind > now, not sure if reason supports vst but there are also a few hosts > out there, and not counting pluggin developers. > Live does AU and VST together quite well.

> >It´s a shame to loose very valuable people because the weird admin. > >politics here. > > It's an even bigger shame not to be able to handle the heat in the > kitchen. The admins do an admirable and largely thankless job. This > is a great list and I like the focus, and I consider that focus to be > a result of the admin's thoughtful action. I am grateful. > Every list administration seems to become autocratic at some point. Its strange how it always seems to happen that way. It must be some set of normal human thought processes which progress from "hey let me volunteer my time to help" ... to "you're rejected, you're blocked, you're banned, ...". Maybe its kind of a school marm instinct, and power goes to the head. I have seen other lists which are much worse, where the admin bans people the first time anything is said they don't like, and other lists where the admin publicly chastises people. So the LUG moderators are above that - and generally do a good and reasonable job. But they have their attitudes and prejudices too. And I think several of them were great guys when they were "just subscribers" but then seemed to get a bit of a fascist streak when absolute power came into their hands. I think its a shame, because these moderators don't "own" Logic or the users.

At 20:58 Uhr -0400 15.06.2005, TazmnianDv@... wrote: > I have seen other lists which are much worse, where the admin bans >people the first time anything is said they don't like, and other >lists where the admin publicly chastises >people. So the LUG moderators are above that - and generally do a good and >reasonable job. But they have their attitudes and prejudices too. >And I think several >of them were great guys when they were "just subscribers" but then seemed to >get a bit of a fascist streak when absolute power came into their >hands. I think >its a shame, because these moderators don't "own" Logic or the users. I don't think so. In my experience the moderation is strictly done according to the policies of the list. I do believe that messages seem to slip through every now and then... and this may cause the impression that some people are being more moderated than others. I'm sure it's unintentional though. Cheers Hans

To those jiggy with the software, Is there any way on earth that I can play a Logic 7 GPO instrument track and when I stop it from playing the mod wheel will not go to zero? I have been struggling with this issue since buying GPO months ago. This issue was supposed to be resolved in Logic 7 but I can't figure out how to do it. According to the " Logic-GPO page. http://www.garritan.com/GPO-LogicPage.html " it states in reference to Logic 7 " The user has the Option in preferences to configure logic to retain current controller settings or to reset them. " I've looked all thru the logic preferences and cannot find this specific option. The closest preference feature I can find in this area is: logic 7/preferences/audio/reset/control 1 (Modulation) to zero. Whether I check this option or not I get the same result. ( Mod wheel goes to zero when Logic is stopped ) At present I assign a GPO track with a CC#1 value of 127 at the beginning of the track and the track plays as it should but when I stop the sequencer the CC#1 goes to zero. When I restart the sequencer the CC#1 goes back to 127. This is good, however my problem is that when I have the sequencer stopped I cannot monitor anything I play on my keyboard controller assigned to that track because CC#1 (a.k.a.) volume is at zero. Yes I am aware that I can move my keyboard mod wheel to 127 and monitor this track. Call me a grouch but is this the only solution? Anyone able to slow my agonizing descent into dementia over this issue? Thanks, Jim "

On 16.06.2005, at 07:10, Jim Seaman wrote: > At present I assign a GPO track with a CC#1 value of 127 at the > beginning of the track and the track plays as it should but when I > stop > the sequencer the CC#1 goes to zero. > When I restart the sequencer the CC#1 goes back to 127. > This is good, however my problem is that when I have the sequencer > stopped I cannot monitor anything I play on my keyboard controller > assigned to that track because CC#1 (a.k.a.) volume is at zero. Does the GPO use the ModWheel for volume? CC1 is usually the ModWheel but you say the volume is down. Volume is usually CC7 (or CC11 if one means Expression instead). I am a bit confused, there is no reset- preset for volume and that would be a problem in many cases anyway. ___ Peter Ostry

On 16.06.2005, at 02:58, TazmnianDv@... wrote: >>> It´s a shame to loose very valuable people because the weird admin. >>> politics here. >> >> It's an even bigger shame not to be able to handle the heat in the >> kitchen.... > > ...So the LUG moderators are above that - and generally do a good and > reasonable job. But they have their attitudes and prejudices too... I agree but would like to throw in that I do not see a problem with the human nature but with the nature of mailing lists, which are a very special kind of communication. I mean, we cannot invent a new and somehow unpersonal form of communication and blame people if they do not perfectly handle it according to our own personal imaginations. Just three examples which might illustrate what I want to say: I moderated a professional pre-press list with about 200 subscribers for amateurs and professionals. There was not much to do but an occasionally "please come back to the subject, we cannot follow you". I moderated a kids list for scientific questions, officially for kids between 12 and 14 years. There were just few, but some older boys started to make subtile terror. The others handled that somehow but I really ran into problems because I felt like a teacher in their school. My brain said "let them learn to cope with that" and my heart said "fire those little bastards". Btw, I took the name Gabriel as the moderators name, which turned out as a silly idea. The kids checked immediately what was meant and the bad boys didn't like nor respect angels :-) The German 4D list is a forum for database developers of all flavours who use this environment. Some play just a little, some deal with mission-critical stuff. List owner is the software manufacturer, moderator and "wisest man" regarding the program is the CEO - and that is not a small company! Never saw flames there, the list is not moderated. If you start getting nasty you would not be thrown out but never ever get a reply to one of your future problems from anybody on the list. You have to return to direct communication and for most problems that requires a maintainance agreement (payed, of course). The 4D list I mentioned above has a rare form of platform wars, integrated in daily life. People fight by trying to bite their own ass and then ask the manufacturer if it hurts. That is because most of them develop on and for both platforms - their clients say which version they want :-) -- I admire people who moderate the LUG and participate at the same time. The moderators are accepted but often put in the role of "the people behind with more power than they deserve" . If a moderator has a problem with Logic or writes just some nonsense for fun that irritates many members. Human nature. -- Mh, off-topic lists are not good for me. You have to stop me somehow to avoid finding a Peter-ized version of Macbeth here some day... :o) ___ Peter Ostry

The ModWheel reset has been a true PITA since virtual instruments were implemented in Logic. For plain MIDI instruments there's the "no reset" parameter in the instrument parameter box, but it's non existing for virtual instruments. Now, you can actually cable a standard MIDI instrument to a virtual instrument, but a) the "no reset" parameter never worked in that scenario (maybe it does in Logic 7? I'm only familiar with 6 - so maybe you should give it a try) and b) you'll lose the virtual instruments channel strip and/or automatic mixer selection. I completely fail to see how Logic is still treating virtual instruments like some "second class" of instruments. This is responsible for a lot of troubles (such as using multitimbral instruments) and all other hosts I know don't force you having to deal with any such limitations. But as said, I'd try the standard MIDI instrument > AUi cabling, maybe it's finally working in Logic 7 - even if I doubt it because there's quite a few old bugs and major annoyances that seem to never get fixed. Maybe Emapple is thinking that people are just used to them so they'll miss them in case anything was fixed. Oh and btw, the various reset preferences don't affect the ModWheel behaviour at all. The only thing doing so is the "no reset" parameter. - Sascha

From: "Peter Duemmler" <merlin@...> > DiskWarrior 3.0.3 is Tiger compatible. > > Peter > --- > http://www.merlinsound.de > > PrjStd@a... wrote: > > > > Hi most- Now that Norton doesn't work with Tiger I need a new > > Utility program.Any one care to comment on the above. > > Yes I know that OSX has it's own "hidden" maintenence and yes I > > know that the Tiger versions of Disk Warrior is not out yet. > > Just looking for comparison from previous users and not interested > > in endless controversy on the subject. Thanks

<re-directed to Logic-OT> from James Redweather I > > know that the Tiger versions of Disk Warrior is not out yet. > > No, it is. 3.0.3. Check alsoft.com > > > Just looking for comparison from previous users and not interested > > in endless controversy on the subject. > > No controversy here- I've used Disk Warrior for years. > > Another one, not exactly the same function, but one that has helped > keep things running smoothly, is MacwasherX. > > James

<re-directed to Logic-OT> from: "anulsinn" <uli@...> > > Yes I know that OSX has it's own "hidden" maintenence and yes I > > know that the Tiger versions of Disk Warrior is not out yet. > > > There is a download that allows you to burn a new CD that is > compatible with Tiger. You need the original CD for that. > > U.

<re-directed to Logic-OT> from: Michael Perez-Cisneros <mperezcisneros@...> > > On Jun 15, 2005, at 5:46 PM, PrjStd@a... wrote: > > > > > Hi most- Now that Norton doesn't work with Tiger I need a new > > Utility program.Any one care to comment on the above. > > Yes I know that OSX has it's own "hidden" maintenence and yes I > > know that the Tiger versions of Disk Warrior is not out yet. > > Just looking for comparison from previous users and not interested > > in endless controversy on the subject. Thanks > I have both and both are worth having. Disk Warrior's Update for Tiger > is out. iDefrag is something I'd consider as well. I have it and it > worked quite well in Panther, no Tiger version beyond a beta yet. Most > of the time I use Disk Warrior and iDefrag on about a monthly basis. I > only had to run TechTool when I had an unexplained crash happening and > it repaired that just fine. > > Michael

<re-directed to Logic-OT> from: Stefan Garr <stefangarr@...> > On Jun 15, 2005, at 2:46 PM, PrjStd@a... wrote: > > > Hi most- Now that Norton doesn't work with Tiger I need a new > > Utility program.Any one care to comment on the above. > > Yes I know that OSX has it's own "hidden" maintenence and yes I > > know that the Tiger versions of Disk Warrior is not out yet. > > Just looking for comparison from previous users and not interested > > in endless controversy on the subject. Thanks > > > > > Hi > > Actually, Alsoft has released it's Tiger update. I just ran it a > week or so ago, and everything worked well. I also bought "Drive > Genius" by Prosoft engineering (http://www.prosoftengineering.com) I > went to a users group meeting in tucson, and the company showed up, > did a run through on their products, and I ended up buying their > "special package" of all of their products at once. While I must > admit that the last time I felt I needed to run a disk utility, I > grabbed the old standby first ( DiskWarrior). Since it seemed to > work just fine again, I didn't get into the Drive Genius product > yet. Drive Genius does offer a lot of features that Disk Warrior > doesn't, so I'm sure it will come in handy. I will say, also, that I > have their "Data Rescue" program, and used it once. It saved my > butt. I'm pretty impressed with the company so far. > > Best Regards, > > Stefan Garr

Hi all can anyone recommend me a freeware wav to mp3 converter ? which runs on a mac osx. I thought there would be many, but I have not really found one yet after some time searching. Barbabatch looks cool but is not cheap, and I really hope to find a free one. I was expecting itunes to do the job but surprisingly it would not !!! itunes could convert aiff to mp3 no problem, but wav seemed to be a problem. i have been asked to find this utility by a friend, who has no pro music software. for my own use, I can just use logic pro to sort out these matters :-) thanks in advance pete

On 17.06.2005, at 22:00, highflightfoundation wrote: > can anyone recommend me a freeware wav to mp3 converter ? > which runs on a mac osx. $30 is too much? If not: Amadeus II http://www.hairersoft.com/Amadeus.html Far more than a converter... ___ Peter Ostry

In a message dated 6/15/05 9:39:41 PM, hanshafner@... writes: > n my experience the moderation is strictly done according to the > policies of the list. > No there is an underground of people who are unhappy with the moderation - but you never hear from them because they keep quiet out of fear of reprisals, or they leave, or they get banned. I have been in contact with people of each type. I am thankful for the job the moderators do. And I quite admired Joeri and the job he did. I think its a time consuming job and they generally do it well. But the attitude of being "all powerful" goes to their heads on one hand, and then there are "special" people who can do and say anything. Actually someone emailed me privately and first mentioned that to me, and I have seen its true. But whatever. Life goes on. The world is full of injustice, the greedy taking advantage of the poor, the big countries bullying the little ones, and so forth. So in the big scheme, it doesn't matter what happens on the LUG.

Here is a work around - just hit record, move your mod wheel around, stop record, open the event editor, delete all but one of the mod wheel control events. Change its value to 127. Move it to the start of the bar. Change the length of the bar to 1note (1/4 of a bar) and loop it infinitely. On the GPO track, make two tracks for the same midi channel, and put that infinite loop on one of them. (Assuming you are using a single midi channel). A number of people on the LUG were talking about wiring schemes to use the 8 midi channels of the GPO and other Kontact players. Its a hassle each time and I didn't get it to work right, so screw it. I believe in KISS (Keep it simple stupid). I just do a new instance and one midi channel at a time. I agree with Sasha that Logic needs some work. He always seem to gripe about things bitterly, but he seems to be right, and no only that, one of the few people who, like me, expect a $1000 program to be a superior piece of software, not a "work-around, work in progress".

There was a comparison of the various disk utilities in one of the magazines about 4 months ago. It seems each does slightly different things. Overall, Diskwarrior was one of the higher rated but not the only show in town. There is also DriveGenius which does defragging and other stuff. I bought it and used it but found it slow in its initial release. They updated it since then. Diskwarrior is fine, but in all honesty its not entirely clear that it really helps. It does help in cases like if you yank a firewire cable without ejecting, and it trashes your directory. that happened to me, and DW recreated the diretctory and saved the disk. I run it every so often "just to be sure".

I don't know why you had problems but Itunes does do this and it is free. You need to go into the preferences and change the import options to mp3 vs whatever you currently have it set to. Paul

> Hi all > > can anyone recommend me a freeware wav to mp3 converter ? > which runs on a mac osx. > > I thought there would be many, but I have not really found one yet after some > time searching. > Barbabatch looks cool but is not cheap, and I really hope to find a free one. > > I was expecting itunes to do the job but surprisingly it would not !!! > itunes could convert aiff to mp3 no problem, but wav seemed to be a problem. > > i have been asked to find this utility by a friend, who has no pro music > software. > for my own use, I can just use logic pro to sort out these matters :-) > > thanks in advance > > pete > > Hi! I have no problems what so ever converting wav-fils to mp3 with iTunes. I've used Mac Os X 10.2.8 and now 10.4.1 with no problem. Works great! /Anders

Thanks all for your time and messages I was able to convert WAV to MP3 if they were already loaded into my itunes, however, I had a whole batch of songs that just would not/could not be dropped into, or otherwise loaded into itunes to be able to be converted to MP3. It seems that this whole batch of WAVS are at 44.1khz/24bit, when I converted them to 44.1khz/16bit in logic pro, then I could load them into itunes, then they could be converted to MP3, so no problem now !! like i said before , this is info I needed for a friend who does not have logic. anyway, thanks again Pete ... High-Flight