There's been repeated rumours of this recently - one Apple spokesman even saying that it's as perennial as Halley's Comet - but this really does look like it's kosher...I don't know whether to laugh or cry. 'Intel Inside' and the Apple logo on the same machine? Just had to check it's not April 1st. I guess we'll all know on Monday. Just so long as they don't use VIA chipsets... ___ Ade LAWP 5.5.1

At 09:01 PM 6/4/05 +0100, you wrote: >There's been repeated rumours of this recently - one >Apple spokesman even saying that it's as perennial >as Halley's Comet - but this really does look like it's >kosher...I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Yeah, but there seems to be new info of a different nature. Apple have often denied rumours about things they were not ready to announce. As you say we'll soon know. Regards, M

Apple has announced it will switch to Intel as it's supplier of processors.Another Apple architecture change, I guess it's time to start saving! http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3- 5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html

On a fine day, 05-06-2005, Murray McDowall wrote: >Looks like L Ron. Hoover might be fixin to make his move: > >http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-100 6_3- >5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede Let's be glad that the startup sound is not chip-related, or otherwise we would soon be hearing the Windows jingle coming out of Macs. That's at least _some_ sort of consolation. Although I would hate to see an Intel-inside sticker on my new G7... Oh well, it seems that in a desperate attempt to keep up with the Mac's performance, PC manufacturers consider switching to the Motorola 680x0 family :). So in the end the circle might well be round again... -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra h @ k n o w a r e . n l Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Hedrik Jan Veenstra wrote: >Let's be glad that the startup sound is not chip-related, or >otherwise we would soon be hearing the Windows jingle coming out of >Macs. That's at least _some_ sort of consolation. Although I would >hate to see an Intel-inside sticker on my new G7... > >Oh well, it seems that in a desperate attempt to keep up with the >Mac's performance, PC manufacturers consider switching to the >Motorola 680x0 family :). So in the end the circle might well be >round again... Actually I think we might need to invoke a more complex topology ;-) Check these articles - the sale of Apple to IBM was almost a done deal a decade or so ago. http://www.theage.com.au/news/Perspectives/Why-Apple-and-folly-go-handinglov e/2005/05/09/1115584883745.html?oneclick=true http://www.themacobserver.com/columns/thebackpage/2005/20050511.shtml

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Murray McDowall <murraymc@m...> wrote: > At 09:01 PM 6/4/05 +0100, you wrote: > >There's been repeated rumours of this recently - one > >Apple spokesman even saying that it's as perennial > >as Halley's Comet - but this really does look like it's > >kosher...I don't know whether to laugh or cry. > > And I've been considering the move to Mac because they've stuck to their guns through the corporate monarchy era. I enjoyed playing with PC's, but having been given so much control in the computer world, Gates started to think it was all his. I hope Apple doesn't go that route also because I belive people are finally sick of Gates and Windows. He has managed to get his operating systems into computers for a long time now and each new upgrade has been so full of flaws that most users that I know are just plain sick to death of him. Hopefully, the Intel parts match the integrity Apple is expecting them to have.

Gswerner2002 quoted a bunch of stuff not written by me: >--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Murray McDowall <murraymc@m...> wrote: >> At 09:01 PM 6/4/05 +0100, you wrote: >> >There's been repeated rumours of this recently - one >> >Apple spokesman even saying that it's as perennial >> >as Halley's Comet - but this really does look like it's >> >kosher...I don't know whether to laugh or cry. And then added: > And I've been considering the move to Mac because they've stuck to >their guns through the corporate monarchy era. I enjoyed playing with >PC's, but having been given so much control in the computer world, >Gates started to think it was all his. I hope Apple doesn't go that >route also because I belive people are finally sick of Gates and >Windows. He has managed to get his operating systems into computers for >a long time now and each new upgrade has been so full of flaws that >most users that I know are just plain sick to death of him. Hopefully, >the Intel parts match the integrity Apple is expecting them to have. M$ bashing, while enjoyable sport, is not very relevant to the current developments. I find it odd that you are dubious about the "integrity" of Intel's parts. While their marketing has led the architecture by the nose for some years and some recent chips (eg Prescott) have run very hot (for the same reasons the latest G5s are noisy) they run code as expected. Most of the world's business and communications runs on x86 and has done for quite a while. If you run binaries - Unix, Linux, Win32 or 64 - the processor spits out the expected results. As the presentation said - all the versions of OSX for the last five years have been compiled to run on Intel. This is not surprising given that the Unix base on which OSX is built is native to Intel. Regards, Murray

Hi Everyone, i'm in need of Indian Sounds for the EXS24, Tamboura, Tabla, Sitar and the like, Can anyone point me in the right direction? thanks,

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Murray McDowall <murraymc@m...> wrote: > Gswerner2002 quoted a bunch of stuff not written by me: > > >--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Murray McDowall <murraymc@m...> wrote: > >> At 09:01 PM 6/4/05 +0100, you wrote: > >> >There's been repeated rumours of this recently - one > >> >Apple spokesman even saying that it's as perennial > >> >as Halley's Comet - but this really does look like it's > >> >kosher...I don't know whether to laugh or cry. > > And then added: > > > And I've been considering the move to Mac because they've stuck to > >their guns through the corporate monarchy era. I enjoyed playing with > >PC's, but having been given so much control in the computer world, > >Gates started to think it was all his. I hope Apple doesn't go that > >route also because I belive people are finally sick of Gates and > >Windows. He has managed to get his operating systems into computers for > >a long time now and each new upgrade has been so full of flaws that > >most users that I know are just plain sick to death of him. Hopefully, > >the Intel parts match the integrity Apple is expecting them to have. > > M$ bashing, while enjoyable sport, is not very relevant to the current > developments. I find it odd that you are dubious about the "integrity" of > Intel's parts. While their marketing has led the architecture by the nose > for some years and some recent chips (eg Prescott) have run very hot (for > the same reasons the latest G5s are noisy) they run code as expected. Most > of the world's business and communications runs on x86 and has done for > quite a while. If you run binaries - Unix, Linux, Win32 or 64 - the > processor spits out the expected results. As the presentation said - all > the versions of OSX for the last five years have been compiled to run on > Intel. This is not surprising given that the Unix base on which OSX is > built is native to Intel. > > Regards, > Murray Probably don't need to worry about fbi or cia coming to get ya or anything like that, just an observation of things.

There are many of them, Heart of Asia, Indian Tradition, Ethno World 1 and 2.....but most of them are quite expensive but if you check these out you will maybe find what you're looking for.

Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote: > I would hate to see an Intel-inside sticker on my new G7 But why, Hendrik?! This might be the first glimmer of something that even die-hard Apple enthusiasts gave up fantasizing about years ago - entertaining stuff on the implications over at the Inquirer, especially: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article#769 Read it after watching the alternatively jaw-dropping and hilarious WWDC keynote: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc05/ - Intel's CEO couldn't have been in more of an orgiastic state if Steve Jobs' real first name was Blow. Compare and contrast with the almost begrudging attitude of Apple's former chip partners. Wasn't D-Day also on the 6th of June? ___ Ade

There is Swar too - not for EXS but pretty extensive for making your own shankarish flavors or laptop bollywood imovie.

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, TazmnianDv@a... wrote: > There is Swar too - not for EXS but pretty extensive for making your own > shankarish flavors or laptop bollywood imovie. Swar is amazing, IMO, covers everything from raw beginners to those who have extensive knowledge of traditional indian musical styles. Highly recommended. kind regards Mark

> Swar is amazing, IMO, covers everything from raw beginners to those who > have extensive > knowledge of traditional indian musical styles. Highly recommended. > > Out of curiosity, what exactly are you doing with these Indian sounds? I am not unfamiliar with Indian music (I have several bollywood dvds, I have a bunch of music hits on my ipod, and I have seen some indian concerts). But i don't use indian sounds in my music. It gives it a 60's hippy sound in my opinion (when George Harrison and others experimented with Indian sounds during the psychodelic days). And of course, a sitar with its string bending is going to be as hard or harder to sample than a guitar and get it right.

markdvc2002 <mark@...> wrote: >Swar is amazing, IMO, covers everything from raw beginners to those who have extensive >knowledge of traditional indian musical styles. Highly recommended. kind regards Mark thanks Mark

IK is offering a free download of Sonik Synth 2. I would recommend this software to anyone who is looking for a badass virtual synth/workstaion. This rivals the top of workstaions out there like the motif and triton, and it costs less that 400. You can download it here: www.soniksynth.com

Possibly not many people here will be interested in this but BBC's Radio 3 are offering free downloads of all nine of Beethoven's symphonies for a limited period. At a comparatively decent 128 kbps bit-rate too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/beethoven/downloads.shtml 1 to 5 are up now until Monday, 13th June. The remainder available at the end of June/beginning of July. 'Only' performed by the BBC Philharmonic - the Berlin Phil and at least 192 kbps would be even nicer of course - but hey, it's free... ___ Ade

Wow! Thanks so much. That's great! I'm getting them right now. Thanks, Ade At 10:44 PM +0100 6/10/05, adrian@... wrote: >Possibly not many people here will be interested in >this but BBC's Radio 3 are offering free downloads of >all nine of Beethoven's symphonies for a limited period. >At a comparatively decent 128 kbps bit-rate too: > ><http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/beethoven/downloads.shtml>http://www. bbc.co.uk/radio3/beethoven/downloads.shtml > -- Doug

Thanks I've been following the series the BBC have been broadcasting on Beethoven so this is perfect. On 10/6/05 10:44 pm, "adrian@..." <adrian@...> wrote: > Possibly not many people here will be interested in > this but BBC's Radio 3 are offering free downloads of > all nine of Beethoven's symphonies for a limited period. > At a comparatively decent 128 kbps bit-rate too: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/beethoven/downloads.shtml > > 1 to 5 are up now until Monday, 13th June. The remainder > available at the end of June/beginning of July. > > 'Only' performed by the BBC Philharmonic - the Berlin Phil > and at least 192 kbps would be even nicer of course - but > hey, it's free... > ___ > Ade > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

In a message dated 6/10/05 1:09:27 PM, gtruno@... writes: > IK is offering a free download of Sonik Synth 2. ...This rivals the top of > workstaions out there like > the motif and triton, and it costs less that 400.  > Is it free or $400? The website seems to say $400, which is about $400 more than "free".

>> > IK is offering a free download of Sonik Synth 2. ...This rivals the top of >> > workstaions out there like >> > the motif and triton, and it costs less that 400.  >> > > > Is it free or $400? The website seems to say $400, which is about $400 more > than "free". The free version is a demo and only opens a few specifically provided sound files. * Dave

(redirected to Logic-OT) From: jake holmes <jakholm@...> Date: Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:53am Subject: Re: Bye Bye On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:12 PM, logic-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Seriously, I can definitely see the need for moderation of a list this > size. When all is said and done I think the moderators do a great (and > thankless) job. There was mention of some long time contributors > getting away with more than others.. and infrequently, this does seem > to be the case, but isn't it mainly because not all members are > moderated? At least this was the way it used to be. > > In Steven Johnson's book "Emergence" he discusses Slashdot.org A self organizing community. I recommend taking a look at that model as a point of departure. One of the basic rules of Slashdot's procedure is that those with higher rated "Karma" (consistently "better" contributions, judged by the collective) earn higher ratings and more privileges. It's a process of meta-feedback. This group is large enough for self-regulation. Jake

(redirected to Logic-OT) From: Maurits van de Kamp <maurits@...> Date: Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:14am Subject: Re: [LUG] Bye bye > of both Apples and Emagics "upgrade" schemes (in short: A lot of the > incompatibility is caused by Apple changing OS'es, Emagic changing > supported plugin formats and now finally Apple changing CPUs). And of > course I was using PCs as a comparison And then I would point out that it's either drastic changes or being stuck with legacy problems and there you have another platform war. > (I can still load the very first > existing VST plugin just fine, after going through 3 OS'es, a whole bunch > of CPUs and a whole bunch of hosts). There is only one company to blame for Logic dropping support of VST, and that company is Steinberg; ready why in the Logic documentation. > In addition I think that these issues should be > raised as loud as possible, so the folks in Cupertino finally listen Maybe it would help if you told it to the people in Cupertino. Shouting at a usergroup, no matter how loud, won't help. > I think such comparisons are perfectly > valid to point out obvious flaws. It's just simply not that obvious whether they are really flaws or just design choices with advantages and disadvantages, and neither is it that obvious that Emagic/Apple is to blame for all of them. And stating these opinions as obvious facts is how wars are started. Maurits.

Maurits van de Kamp wrote: > And then I would point out that it's either drastic changes or being > stuck > with legacy problems and there you have another platform war. No. It might end in a somewhat heated discussion, but I don't consider those to be platform wars. > There is only one company to blame for Logic dropping support of VST, > and that > company is Steinberg; ready why in the Logic documentation. Sorry,. but that's nonsense. I am blaming Emapple for dropping VST support just as much. My old projects won't load properly anymore. My presets won't load anymore. I'd have to wade through endless troubles to make my songs load properly in any 6.x and 7.x version of Logic. And all that while keeping in mind that VST support would be possible easily. Apart from that, the AU format hasn't shown its potential yet at all. There's close to no AU-only plugins released. And those you can find hardly prove the (possible) superiority of the format. Most developers actually DO like the AU format, they may also like it more than VST, but in the end they'll have to make things compatible to both formats anyways, so a "new" format doesn't help them at all. Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything to say against the AU format, but it simply came too late. Developers are somewhat forced to develop for VST as well, and I'd take any bet that you won't find any of the big guns developing AU-only plugins any day soon. VST is a de facto standard, regardless whether you like that fact or not - it's some sort of common denominator. Even Urs Heckmann, one of the most vital AU supporting developers is now releasing everything in VST format as well. Even for Windows. Oh, just been reading your statement again: Do you mean that Steinberg is responsible for Logic to drop VST support due to bad documentation of the format? This might be true - but it's only true to a certain extent. There's almost countless other hosts supporting VST very well. In fact, some of them (such as EnergyXT) are even supporting VST a lot better than Cubase itself, adding full MIDI learn capabilities of each and every parameter and such. Energy XT is even adding all that to Logic. > Maybe it would help if you told it to the people in Cupertino. Shouting > at a > usergroup, no matter how loud, won't help. Not sure whether I agree. It's popular user groups that may in the end be heard. I'm sure that anything I could send to Apple would hardly be heard at all. > It's just simply not that obvious whether they are really flaws or just > design > choices with advantages and disadvantages, and neither is it that > obvious > that Emagic/Apple is to blame for all of them. And stating these > opinions as > obvious facts is how wars are started. In many aspects it's obvious. For instance, VST support would be possible. Backwards compatibility would be possible too. It has all been there previously, but it has been abandonded to follow some new paradigm. IMO for the worse. Regards, Sascha

(redirected to Logic-OT) > On 15.06.2005, at 08:55, George Leger III wrote: > > > I agree. I have both platforms as well, and get grief from both sides > > when I just talk to people about it. > > Maybe that can shed some light on the nature of platform discussions: > "Yesterdays I threw a Mac and a PC out of the window. The PC was > faster." > > ___ > Peter Ostry