Hi ot-ers, I seem to recall that the use of a graphic eq to deal with room resonances, esp. standing waves, was found wanting in the late 1970's. If you mix to a room with peaks and troughs which are compensated for with eq, is the resultant mix what you want it to be - and in another room (with an 'ideal' flat response) would it sound the same? My friend says it will, using simple logic (not the programme!). I have a sneaking feeling it won't though I am weakening in this opinion. While I have your full attention ;-) I have a peak in my room around 90Hz - and a trough centered on about 130. The room is unfortunately not far off a cube. L and W are 9 feet, and the ceiling slopes from 8 foot to 7 foot 6. The walls are 4" deep stud partition with 2 x sheets of plasterboard + skim, filled with rockwool. Suspended timber floor. I have floor to ceiling screens I use in the studio when tracking; when not they fill the wall opposite the speakers - JBLs 4031s. The speakers are fairly close to the wall / corners - and have to stay there. Questions : would two triangular rockwool filled traps behind the speakers help? They could only be about 3 foot high, and approx. 1ft 6" x 1 ft 6" on the two smaller sides. Or - should I try a 4" deep bass trap, filled with rockwool, and 7 foot long, 2 foot wide, fronted with 3/8th ply, sealed all round, and fixed to the ceiling above and between the speakers? Other than this being elsewhere on the ceiling I can't fix traps eslewhere. Regards, Mike. from Mike Levon :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: HOLYGROUND RECORDS http://www.holyground.co.uk England's first independent label Bill Nelson ELECTROTYPE out now ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

On 4/9/04 3:29 PM, "Colin L Miller" wrote: > > When I did call to ask, the reply was "Too bad', you won't get a refund and > there would be no money back on the shipping. I asked very detailed about > the shipping and they said thats the ful cost and there are no rebates or > anything like that. I also rechecked the RAM upgrade which DOES NOT require > a rebate according to their web site. I have also left messages for the > salesman AND the manager and have received NO return calls. BTW I live in > LA, and Macmall is in LA. Yet in the time it took them to ground ship an > instock compnuter for $111 I ordered another from apple with free shipping > and it arrived 2 days before Mcalmall (and I ordered it several days after). > > So let's get this right. > > 1) $90 overcharge on shipping with no rebate or discount > 2) $100 overcharge on RAM with no rebate whch counters their advertising It's strange your right. I dunno whether you just got a bad seed and manager or what. I have never had this much problems with them. Talk to someone different and get to another manager and keep working your way up. Just have the web site pulled up in front of you with shipping costs and ram ect.. If you bother them enough they will give in. Also threaten to call the district attorneys office in California to make a complaint about them, sometime they are told to give in if something like that is brought up. > 3) Not allowed to cancel an ordr I do not want Most places wont let you do this. Ever try to cancel as order from Dell? forget about it. > 4) Not allowed to return an order I did not want sent (which they blame on > apple who says that is not appropriate behavior) It's on macmall's page http://www.macmall.com/macmall/information/customer_service/returns.asp Unfortunately this is true of a lot of computer and electronics online companies, it's not a shady thing it's just fact. >> > You missed the point Andy, its obvious they open EVERY compuer regardless > of putting ram in it. Using the notion of quality inspection. Do you think > Apple does not inspect their computers? Also the ram upgrade is a feature > that I am sure many people ask for so the computer can easily be resold. > Not to mention that apple still considers it a stock unti and returnable. > My particular machine according to serial number was ordered in a shipment > of 100 identical units from Apple several days before I ordered it. > Why is it obvious they open every computer?

You know this is just part of trend of dishonesty on the part of many companies. I called AOL tech support and then they shuttled me to a free offer of $25 for AOL net use, I never used it, then i started seeing $9 charges on my credit card. I called and told them to cancel it, and they said they would and refund my $25, but nothing ever came. I called the credit card company and they said Microsoft and McAfee are doing the same kind of scam - sign you up for something free then start charging you. Regarding your situation - I woiuld fight it 100% with your credit card company. First of all - document your story - with dates and times. You DID call to cancel the order. You expressed to them that you wanted to cancel the order. You might also check to see if it was really shipped before you called them. And then document the rest of the story. Also, check their website or catalog to read the fine print on shipping charges. Does it say "shipping and handling"? Overall you have a good case for "breach of contract" in a sense, because they charged more than they said they would. You can also call Macmall and tell them you are willing to pay $X (their price minus $100 or whatever), and if they don't like it, you plan to cancel the whole thing and buy from a competitor. From their point of view its better to take a hit but still sell you the computer - cuz they are still making money and having more volume pass through their hands. For comparison, I bought a $500 item from ZZounds ( a music item) and it didn't quite work the way I wanted, and I returned it within 30 days and they gave me 100% refund (including the shipping, even though I used it for a week). So a few reputable companies exist.

On 4/10/04 3:07 AM, "logic-ot@yahoogroups.com" <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Original Message: > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:11:59 +0100 > From: Mike Levon <mike@...> > Subject: tuning rooms > > Hi ot-ers, > > I seem to recall that the use of a graphic eq to deal with room > resonances, esp. standing waves, was found wanting in the late 1970's. > If you mix to a room with peaks and troughs which are compensated for > with eq, is the resultant mix what you want it to be - and in another > room (with an 'ideal' flat response) would it sound the same? My friend > says it will, using simple logic (not the programme!). I have a > sneaking feeling it won't though I am weakening in this opinion. Hi Mike, EQing the monitor system with an RTA will only bring the system flat in a specific zone (the "Sweet Spot") and you want that to be where your head is. BUT, it will do nothing about nulls and standing waves. Then, when you EQ the rig to sound like "a typical stereo" system, those problems are going to be virtually unbearable. > > While I have your full attention ;-) I have a peak in my room > around 90Hz - and a trough centered on about 130. The room is > unfortunately not far off a cube. L and W are 9 feet, and the ceiling > slopes from 8 foot to 7 foot 6. The walls are 4" deep stud partition > with 2 x sheets of plasterboard + skim, filled with rockwool. Suspended > timber floor. I have floor to ceiling screens I use in the studio when > tracking; when not they fill the wall opposite the speakers - JBLs > 4031s. The speakers are fairly close to the wall / corners - and have > to stay there. A symmetrical room is the worst thing you can have. So, rather than placing traps around, I think you should try to think of ways to break up the shape. You could hang some pieces of carpet in strips about a foot high and several feet long, staggered to form an uneven grid pattern on the ceiling, and you could try to build a "fake" wall at one end to angle it some. You could build some baffles of 1"x4" and mount them along the side and back walls to help disperse the sound waves. The idea is to bounce the sound around to infinity before it centers on one place (standing waves) and totally misses another (nulls). Traps might help somewhat, but they won't stop the problems caused by the symmetry of the room... Think of your speakers as pool ball ejectors, and imagine where the balls would go given no gravity and just bouncing around like Super-Balls until they lose all their energy. Also, you might try moving the speakers so they aren't meeting on axis at exactly 90 degrees (since you say they're in the corners) and focus them so the axes meet just behind your head, when sitting in the sweet spot. Carpet the floor if it isn't... With a room that small and that shape, you probably won't be able to rid yourself of every problem. I started my studio in a room about that size and quickly realized it simply wasn't going to work and took over my entire basement (about 30'x60'), put a fake wall in at about 55 degrees to one corner and facing an alcove at about 125 degrees, so the sound never comes back on itself. A lot of work, but worth it. : Best regards, ...z The trouble with idealism is that life gets in the way... Zeek Duff's new CD "Midnight Roses" is now HERE!!! Latest news & links to audio at <http://www.zeekduff.com>; Fingerstyle Jazz Guitar From Beautiful Colorado

I have a dual 500mhz G4 and was thinking of upgrading my cpu. I mainly use os9 (and will most of the time on this machine) so I was considering getting a proccessor upgrade for it. Will I notice a big improvement if I get something like the powerlogix Dual 1.4ghz upgrade? I thought about getting the quicksilver Dual 1ghz but didn't see much advantage. Thanks in advanced. Thomas

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, "Lunar Sound Design" <laboratory@l...> wrote: > > I have a dual 500mhz G4 and was thinking of upgrading my cpu. I mainly > use os9 (and will most of the time on this machine) so I was > considering getting a proccessor upgrade for it. Will I notice a big > improvement if I get something like the powerlogix Dual 1.4ghz > upgrade? I thought about getting the quicksilver Dual 1ghz but didn't > see much advantage. Thanks in advanced. > > Thomas Generally most surveys of these kind of board upgrades conclude that it´s quite expensive for a moderate increase in power. You might do better waiting patiently for a secondhand faster G4 at a good price. A lot of people -myself included - are waiting to buy a G5 soon.

I have a large music archive –my own compositions- which I need to catalogue in table form, listing length, comments, etc. I suppose this is easy enough with Excel, Word or similar, but it would be great to have an application that can do this and play back the .aiff Audio files too without having to switch applications or go into the Finder. Maybe there´s a way to link a list of Audiofiles to their disk location for Preview playback, I don´t know. I´m checking out Library Monkey for instance http://monkey-tools.com/pages/products/librarymonkey.html but I find it rather expensive at $399. Most of the iTunes utilities seem to be mp3-focussed, and I want to be able to make my own table rather than use iTunes comments fields. Any suggestions from the Media Pros out there please? Thanks!! RR

How should I go about setting up MIDI Yoke (virtual cable) for Logic ? Thank you, Ck

I am new to the 828, can anyone recommend a good online forum or list for either MOTU in general, or specifically the 828? (I was very surprised to not see one at MOTU's website.) I am having trouble updating the driver (to 1.09) and CueMix (to the new version, which includes what looks to be a very cool talkback implementation). The installer reports success, but nothing is updated. Thanks! Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.3 1 GB RAM MOTU 828mkII - driver v1.07 - CueMix v1.2

Hi brian. If you uninstall from the installer before you install 1.09 that may help. Steve.

On Apr 17, 2004, at 2:16 PM, steve parker wrote: > Hi brian. > If you uninstall from the installer before you install 1.09 that may > help. > Steve. Good call! Worked like a charm - the driver is reported at v1.09, and CueMix Console is now showing the new features. I'm going to email MOTu tech support to advise them that this should be part of the instructions. Thanks! Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.3 1 GB RAM MOTU 828mkII - driver v1.09 - CueMix v1.4

Hi brian. Cool! You may be interested in this: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/motu828/ All the best! Steve.

I have to help book a tour for a band I work for and need help. If anyone has Booking Agent info or other resources, this info would be much appreciated. Anything, even contacts to clubs/promoters in your area. The band is http://celldweller.com Thanks

Hi Group, I'm looking at upgrading my Delta-66 audio cards to something more serious. I've been watching the Motu stuff with interest, but recently found the Onyx line from Mackie and wondered if any fellow Logic users were considering using one of these as an interface. http://www.mackie.com/newproducts/onyx.html I'm looking at either a 1220 or 1620. I currently use a Behringer mixer for managing connections to my interface but this would eliminate it and give me an analog upgrade in the process. Opinions? rob

Hi Rob, I haven't seen or used the Onyx yet. I generally think Mackie makes good stuff at a great price (I own an 8 Bus and a small 1402 mixer). They have been reliable for me. I do also own a Motu card which has worked out really nice for me. I'm very happy with their product. I also own a RME-Hammerfall Multiface which is also a great card. Very reliable. www.rme-audio.com You have some good options to choose from. --litepipe ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <orbitborn@...> To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: [L-OT] Mackie Onyx > Hi Group, > > I'm looking at upgrading my Delta-66 audio cards to something more serious. I've been > watching the Motu stuff with interest, but recently found the Onyx line from Mackie and > wondered if any fellow Logic users were considering using one of these as an interface. > > http://www.mackie.com/newproducts/onyx.html > > I'm looking at either a 1220 or 1620. > > I currently use a Behringer mixer for managing connections to my interface but this would > eliminate it and give me an analog upgrade in the process. > > Opinions? > > rob > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

hey LP, The RME-Hammerfalls and MOTU 828mkII's are high on my wanted list. The Onyxes look like they'd be an excellent cross-breed of analog mixer and digital interface though. My one concern is that I'm not really sure how the signal chain in the Onyx is laid out. They mention 2 outputs for monitoring, are those the only two outputs? That might be a bit limiting for doing surround mixes. anyway, these things are brand new and possibly not even available yet. I was just hoping to drum up a bit of discussion about them as they look like an intriguing bit of hardware. --- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, "litepipe" <litepipe@a...> wrote: > Hi Rob, > I haven't seen or used the Onyx yet. I generally think Mackie > makes good stuff at a great price (I own an 8 Bus and a small 1402 mixer). > They have been reliable for me. I do also own a Motu card which has worked > out really nice for me. I'm very happy with their product. I also own a > RME-Hammerfall Multiface which is also a great card. Very reliable. > www.rme-audio.com You have some good options to choose from. > > --litepipe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rob" <orbitborn@y...> > To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:36 PM > Subject: [L-OT] Mackie Onyx > > > > Hi Group, > > > > I'm looking at upgrading my Delta-66 audio cards to something more > serious. I've been > > watching the Motu stuff with interest, but recently found the Onyx line > from Mackie and > > wondered if any fellow Logic users were considering using one of these as > an interface. > > > > http://www.mackie.com/newproducts/onyx.html > > > > I'm looking at either a 1220 or 1620. > > > > I currently use a Behringer mixer for managing connections to my interface > but this would > > eliminate it and give me an analog upgrade in the process. > > > > Opinions? > > > > rob > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

Hello, I just finished setting up my new G5 2hz to run both PT HD Accel2 and Logic 6.3.3. Why is it that everytime I try to launch Logic I get this message "file def can not be found." Can someone please explain this to me? What must I do to get Logic to run the way it should? I also started getting a -7400 error message when initializing TDM on Logic. I really dont want to let go of Logic but I also need to move on with my productions. I looked at what causes the -7400 message in the digi website and I followed all instructions to make it work right but I still get it together with that "file def" thing. I can still run Logic if I choose to continue but no sound is heard. david

> I just finished setting up my new G5 2hz to run both PT HD Accel2 and > Logic 6.3.3. > Why is it that everytime I try to launch Logic I get this message > "file def can not be > found." > Can someone please explain this to me? What must I do to get Logic to > run the way it > should? I also started getting a -7400 error message when initializing > TDM on Logic. > I really dont want to let go of Logic but I also need to move on with > my productions. > I looked at what causes the -7400 message in the digi website and I > followed all > instructions to make it work right but I still get it together with > that "file def" thing. > I can still run Logic if I choose to continue but no sound is heard. I have no idea about your problem, but IMO this is not an OT post and you'll hit a much wider audience if you repost it to the main LUG list. Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.3 1 GB RAM MOTU 828mkII - driver v1.09 - CueMix v1.4

Hi, I'm using a Yamaha P-80, 88-note keyboard as my controller into Logic, but it has no PitchBend or Mod Wheel on it. Does anyone know if there exists a little, standalone, velcro-on-the-end-of-your-keyboard ModWheel unit? I can't help thinking I've seen one in the dim distant past?... Much appreciated.

Hey there, I'm looking for an 8-channel ADAT-capable preamp w. WC in to hook up to a Metric Halo Mobile I/O's ADAT port... I was wondering if anybody tried out the M-Audio Octane yet? Or, if anybody knows of a not too expensive alternative solution, I'd appreciate some feedback... Thanx! P.S.: Although we're on a budget @ my studio, the Behringer ADA 8000 is out of the question..;-) Cheerz, Martin E

On 4/24/04 1:16 PM, "boglegbogus" <boglegbogus@...> wrote: > Hello, > > I just finished setting up my new G5 2hz to run both PT HD Accel2 and Logic > 6.3.3. > Why is it that everytime I try to launch Logic I get this message "file def > can not be > found." > Can someone please explain this to me? What must I do to get Logic to runthe > way it > should? I also started getting a -7400 error message when initializing TDM on > Logic. > I really dont want to let go of Logic but I also need to move on with my > productions. > I looked at what causes the -7400 message in the digi website and I followed > all > instructions to make it work right but I still get it together with that "file > def" thing. > I can still run Logic if I choose to continue but no sound is heard. > > david > > > Your question is not OT Repost it on Logic's list and specify "Protools" in your subject ;o) Best Cyril Blanc Independent Quantum Leap Symphony orchestra forum (QLSO) for Mac http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qlso/"; A6 Andromeda forum : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/A6_andromeda/"; Petition : ³Support of the APPLE LaserWriter 300 in MAC OS X² http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Ap1c1/petition.html

on 25/4/04 1:01 AM, Brian Pylant at bappo@... wrote: you'll hit a much wider audience if you repost it to the main LUG list. I'd assumed that this WAS the main LUG list. Was I wrong? Where is it please? Andris

> I'd assumed that this WAS the main LUG list. Was I wrong? Where is it > please? No, this is the Off-Topic list (hence the OT in the name); the main LUG list is located here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-users/ Be prepared for a huge increase in emails; the main LUG has many more members than the OT list, and averages a hundred or more posts per day, whereas the OT list is lucky to get 10 (which is why we recommend reposting your problem there - there's bound to be someone on the LUG who's experienced a similar situation and can help you with yours). Brian :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Logic Audio Pro 6.4.1 PowerMac G4 933MHz OS X 10.3.3 1 GB RAM MOTU 828mkII - driver v1.09 - CueMix v1.4

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, "broadlawner" <trevor@o...> wrote: > Hi, h'lo. > I'm using a Yamaha P-80, 88-note keyboard as my controller into Logic, but it has no > PitchBend or Mod Wheel on it. Does anyone know if there exists a little, standalone, > velcro-on-the-end-of-your-keyboard ModWheel unit? I can't help thinking I've seen one > in the dim distant past?... Hm, I don't recall seeing mod-wheel specifically. Maybe if someone could hack up a midi driver for an analog joystick you could graft one of those onto your keyboard. ;) (It's a "Thrustmaster"!) seriously though, I've got a Korg Kaoss Pad which also transmits MIDI control values in two axes. It would do the job of a pitchbend and mod wheel but you'd have to program Logic or your MIDI interface to recognize the values it's emitting. You might be able to find the first generation Kaoss pads on Ebay for a decent price...