On 9/19/03 10:11 AM, "logic-ot@yahoogroups.com" <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Original Message: > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:50:04 +0200 > From: Federico Ciapi <federico.ciapi@...> > Subject: M-Audio Ozone: is it any good? > > I have to buy a small controller keyboard to be used with a laptop. > > I'm considering the M-audio Ozone, which also acts as an audio and midi > interface. > > Has anyone tried it? > Does audio works reliably with Logic? Haven't tried it, don't know why it wouldn't work with Logic, but at best you'll get stereo in, and I'd believe the zero latency monitoring when I see it. BUT, I've been looking at a few of these, just to have a handy editor without going to my XP-80. I'm not so much interested in the audio interface and that opens up to the Oxygen 8 and a couple of Edirols <http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemnor051>; <http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno†242> <http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno5064> And, there are others depending upon what features you need most... The Ozone looks like a good bang for the buck though, let us know how it works if you get one. :) Best regards, ...z "Faster! Faster! Until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." -Hunter S. Thompson Zeek Duff's CDs and mp3 downloads NEW! in progress <http://www.zeekduff.com>; Fingerstyle Jazz Guitar From Beautiful Colorado

> Haven't tried it, don't know why it wouldn't work with Logic, but at > best > you'll get stereo in, and I'd believe the zero latency monitoring when > I see > it. I've asked because the M-Audio Quattro that I had some time ago has given me many headaches... I'm really interested in the audio features of the Ozone. I'm going to check it in a store right now, but they won't let me try it...

M-audio doesn't seem to have it together as much as I would like. I had the Quattro as well, but eventually this thing totally failed on me at the club when I was DJing live using Traktor, yikes!! I called tech support they said that the Quattro was always flakey, and they then recommended me to the new Firewire 410. I went to Guitar center, brought my 17" PB and noticed the first thing it said in the ReadMe. "The driver does not work with Native Instruments software proplerly with this release" I laughed b/c the support guy totally recommend it to me, but the first thing in the Readme is don't use if NI is involved. They keep blaming apple for changing everything for all their problems, but I don't know.... Download the newest driver for the Ozone and look at the Readme first and see if there are issues with the software you want to use it with then make your decision. Also take a look at the new Novation, they are offering an extremely cool looking device that does the same thing as the Ozone but with a lot more buttons and controllers. That is what I would strongly look into. I forgot the name though. pfokus > -----Original Message----- > From: Federico Ciapi [mailto:federico.ciapi@...] > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:52 AM > To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [L-OT] Re: M-Audio Ozone: is it any good? > > > Haven't tried it, don't know why it wouldn't work with Logic, but at > > best > > you'll get stereo in, and I'd believe the zero latency monitoring when > > I see > > it. > > I've asked because the M-Audio Quattro that I had some time ago has > given me many headaches... > > I'm really interested in the audio features of the Ozone. > I'm going to check it in a store right now, but they won't let me try > it... > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

> Download the newest driver for the Ozone and look at the Readme first > and see if there are issues with the software you want to use it with > then make your decision. Thanks Paul I've read the readme and it doesn't say anything about issues on osX, but the driver seems to be the same for all M-audio usb audio interfaces and this doesn't reassure me at all. > Also take a look at the new Novation, they are offering an extremely > cool looking device that does the same thing as the Ozone but with a > lot > more buttons and controllers. That is what I would strongly look into. > I forgot the name though. Too expensive...

John Pitcairn wrote...... > I found the cheap tube pres I've heard (Blue Tube, Digi Tube, Studio > Projects, Joe Meek, Behringer) all seemed rather strangled and > unmusical, certainly no "better" than the pres in a Mackie desk, just > different - more like a tube guitar preamp on low gain. The Symetrix > wiped the floor with them. > > If you're expecting a nice warm clear present tube sound that retains > good detail and HF phase etc, expect to pay quite a lot more. A cheap > tube pre might be quite useful on "too clean" synths though, as the > poster above suggests, but I wouldn't want one as my only mic pre. > that's really depressing reading John I would have thought the Joe Meek would have been great.

what are the focusrite platinum pre-amps like - i have some greens which no-one could part me from. i'm sure focusrite couldn't make anything terrible! steve parker

steve parker wrote: > what are the focusrite platinum pre-amps like - i have some greens > which no-one could part me from. > i'm sure focusrite couldn't make anything terrible! I've got a penta that I use mostly for vocals, but I tried it on other stuff too (it's stereo). Nice little machine :-)) Gert www.waveworld.tv

> John Pitcairn wrote...... > >> I found the cheap tube pres I've heard (Blue Tube, Digi Tube, Studio >> Projects, Joe Meek, Behringer) all seemed rather strangled and unmusical, >> certainly no "better" than the pres in a Mackie desk, just different - more >> like a tube guitar preamp on low gain. The Symetrix wiped the floor with >> them. > > that's really depressing reading John I would have thought the Joe Meek would > have been great. > I have a Joe Meek VC2 and it is truly great. They do make quite a few models, maybe John was talking about their low end stuff. Teddybut

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--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, teddybut <kumpkin@e...> wrote: > I have a Joe Meek VC2 and it is truly great. They do make quite a few > models, maybe John was talking about their low end stuff. I was. Can't remember the model, and didn't have musch time to put it through its paces, but the Symetrix wiped the floor with it. The low-end tube pres I've seen all seem to use a 12AX7 tube running at what I guess is fairly low voltage (otherwise the power supply would be a lot bigger & heavier, as would the case). That's basically a recipe for a guitar stomp-box, not a mic pre. If my Sovtek Big Muff had balanced i/o and a bit less drive, would that make it a mic pre? (Hmmmm, he thinks....) John Pitcairn

John Pitcairn wrote: > --- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, teddybut <kumpkin@e...> wrote: >> I have a Joe Meek VC2 and it is truly great. They do make quite a few >> models, maybe John was talking about their low end stuff. > > I was. Can't remember the model, and didn't have musch time to put it > through its paces, but the Symetrix wiped the floor with it. > > The low-end tube pres I've seen all seem to use a 12AX7 tube running > at what I guess is fairly low voltage (otherwise the power supply > would be a lot bigger & heavier, as would the case). That's basically > a recipe for a guitar stomp-box, not a mic pre. If my Sovtek Big Muff > had balanced i/o and a bit less drive, would that make it a mic pre? > (Hmmmm, he thinks....) So what happens if you exchange the valves? Will the machine get better? Gert www.waveworld.tv

This topic might be OT, but I think it is relevant to the LUG. I was wondering if anyone has taken the Logic Level 1 Certification exam? If anyone has, what did they think? I finished studying the book, and I went to try and schedule a test and I was surprised to hear how few places there are to actually take these tests. There are two in Texas and both places did not know how to administer the test yet, so I am curious as to other peoples' experiences. Paul

> I finished studying the book, and I went to try and schedule a test and > I was surprised to hear how few places there are to actually take these > tests. > > There are two in Texas and both places did not know how to administer > the test yet, so I am curious as to other peoples' experiences. I'm in NYC, so there are places all around me. But near as I can tell, none are administering the test yet. Cheers, -Josh Emmons

>--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, teddybut <kumpkin@e...> wrote: >> I have a Joe Meek VC2 and it is truly great. They do make quite a few >> models, maybe John was talking about their low end stuff. > >I was. Can't remember the model, and didn't have musch time to put it >through its paces, but the Symetrix wiped the floor with it. > >The low-end tube pres I've seen all seem to use a 12AX7 tube running >at what I guess is fairly low voltage (otherwise the power supply >would be a lot bigger & heavier, as would the case). That's basically >a recipe for a guitar stomp-box, not a mic pre. If my Sovtek Big Muff >had balanced i/o and a bit less drive, would that make it a mic pre? >(Hmmmm, he thinks....) Not that having a tube or not is the determining factor in what makes a decent mic pre but, if the discussion is about tube mic pres AFAIK low end Joe Meeks don't qualify because none of them have tubes. The only Joe Meek device I know of that does is the VC2 and its tube is in the *output* stage. Joe Meek's naming strategy was weird. The VC1 was their best bang per buck device but not the top of their line. The VC2 was the top and the VC3 was the bottom. I have a VC2 and had a VC3. The VC3 was far and away the worst mic pre I ever owned.

>There are two in Texas and both places did not know how to administer >the test yet. I think you are supposed to dip it in a urine sample and see what color it turns.

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, "Gert van Santen" <g.vansanten@c...> wrote: > So what happens if you exchange the valves? Will the machine get > better? Maybe. I've never done so on low-voltage 12AX7 stuff. But probably not much better without also beefing up the plate voltage, which will likely mean exchanging the power supply and modifying the supply circuit, if it can be done at all. Then you'll want to look at the quality of any capacitors & op-amps in the circuit, resistor/capacitor values, decent grounding, and on it goes. Good parts don't come cheap. By the time you've finished, it would likely have been better to just work a bit harder, save a bit longer, and buy a better preamp in the first place. And for X dollars, you'll always be able to buy a better solid state pre than a valve pre. Guitar amps, on the other hand, run the valves at the voltages they were designed for (often 100V and up) and in my experience are often a fine candidate for a bit of simple valve exchanging, especially after a few years use - if you have a friendly valve-amp tech guy and a supply of assorted matched valve pairs, an afternoon's swapping and testing can be very rewarding. John Pitcairn

--- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Gunn <dennis@s...> wrote: > The VC3 was far and away the worst mic pre I ever > owned. I think that's what I tested. Crud. I thought it had a tube in it but I guess not. If I want to make stuff sound murky, distorted and snotty, I'll record it through a clean pre anyway so I don't munt it on the way in, then send/return it to something external at mixdown. A miked-up little cigarette-pack amp/speaker in a closet down the hall, or run it through the amp section of an old valve record player (that actually sounds rather nice), or something like that :-) John Pitcairn

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It would seem to me that there would be a possibility to have severe clipping take place if the voltage was low~ all other things being equal~ I haven't even thought about tubes since around 1968 when I went through electronic school. . . At 07:05 AM 9/26/03 +0000, you wrote: >Maybe. I've never done so on low-voltage 12AX7 stuff. But probably not >much better without also beefing up the plate voltage, Bsheck, Mesheck, Abednigo! Nuclear Families Do Glow In The Dark! Greenville, NC // bobsheck@... http://home.earthlink.net/~bobsheck/

has anyone noticed that as of last week emagic no longer sells their own products (including upgrades). a message saying that the apple store will soon carry some of the products that they don't already carry is all there is. now i'm a 5.5 user that wants to upgrade to 6.x and i'm not going to pay full retail for this. emagic doesn't carry the upgrade, apple doesn't carry the upgrade....this doesn't look good. also, has anyone had any luck with getting a unitor 8 mkii to work under os x with a serial port adaptor? os x recognizes my serial adaptor but it doesn't look as though there are any serial drivers for the unitor (so that it is recognized as an interface). i'm in a studio set up where i share a unitor between the mac and the pc. neither of us use the usb because when it's connected it shuts the other ports down. any suggestions from a more experienced logic guy than myself???? thanks! brian

?? a bit off topic, but after mixing to an mp3, does anyone have any suggestions about portable mp3 players (outside of ipods) for a small mp3 player? thanks for the help. tv

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 02:25:54AM +0100, tony vincent wrote: > ?? > a bit off topic, but after mixing to an mp3, does anyone have any > suggestions about portable mp3 players (outside of ipods) for a small mp3 > player? > thanks for the help. > tv http://www.neurosaudio.com/ small, featureful, cheap! -- yours, niall. .. . . . . . . . . . aleph null. a simple insinuation around silence. see: http://www.vietnambla.com hear: http://radio.vietnambla.com

At 07:47 AM 9/27/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Accidently I just viewed the stats (no. of postings) for this group. >It looks like the number of postings over the past months is sharply >declining. > >What could be the reason: >* former Windows users did not make the switch to mac and are now >using Cubase? >* there are other viable alternatives to obtain Logic info? >* Logic has become a better product, so lesser postings are >neccesary ? > >Just curious, > >EK For me the criteria for posting has become too complex to be worth it. Time is precious and it seems that most of my posts get rejected for some reason or another. They may all be my fault, but there are just too many rules to have to remember every time i post that it takes up too much of my time. Guess one of the down sides of such a large group. The other issue for me is that since upgrading to version 6 with TDM, Logic has been so unstable that I have been avoiding using it whenever possible. Hopefully some updates will come out and it will be more usable again, but until then I am not as Logic active. Colin Miller PS - I highly doubt I represent the majority of posters.