Thoughts from the mind of Joeri Vankeirsbilck, 18-03-2001: >I'd like to ask for an opinion to the subscribers of this list: should I >actively moderate _all_ OT threads on the LUG and move them to this >list? Please >let me know. Thx. Yes, if that would be possible... I know this probably means a lot more effort (and thus time) on your side, so I don't know how feasible it is, but personally I have the feeling that the LUG becomes rather unreadable at the moment. Then there's also the problem that Sascha notes -- that many completely crappy threads are, strictly speaking, ON topic, like all the "when will 4.7 be there" posts and such. Maybe it's true that these threads waste even more bandwidth than the truly OT ones. I wouldn't know how to deal with this either... Personally I still believe that forcing every LUGger to subscribe to the OT list would be the best solution... cheers, HJ -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra ( h@... )

I don't know if you should just move stuff or what Joeri, but I'm beginning to think that's the best idea. At least then we can let an OT digest sit until we have time to read it, and scan the main list for info or questions we may be able to help with, and be less likely to miss something "important." It's very frustrating to have the mix we've had lately, and simply putting OT in the subject line deosn't seem to tip people off that IF they see to do THAT, the message should be SENT to the OT list. Damn! I dunno if it's brain damage or what, but for Logic users, there sure seems to be a sudden plethora of illogical assholes, flamers and political junkies invading an otherwise usually sane forum. Anyway, my $.02 is yeah, move the crap outa the main list... <sigh> Regards, ...z At least I have a positive attitude about my destructive habits. -- =---Seek the truth, speak the truth!---= -- L.G. "Zeek" Duff WHAT!Productions! Blue Wall Studio bluewallstudio.com 303.485.9438 ICQ#35974686

>Joeri, could you PLEASE be more strict as to the topic of this forum? >This is really making me sick. As if anyone has the time and >patience to wade through these amounts of utter crap. > >And no, even the delete- and next-key don't help to make reading the >LUG a feasible (let alone pleasant) experience... > >To Alexis: you're probably new in this group (haven't seen your name >before). If the only thing you can contribute is this kind >continuous stream of flamebait, then please get out of here, grow up, >and maybe come back in a couple of years when you're adult enough. > >cheers, >Hendrik Jan, seriously p*'d off for the first time in years... I mentioned something to this effect in the last reply I made to someone, and a request to at least take the BS to the OT list. The traffic didn't change a bit and I KNOW I'm missing some things I'm interested in by scanning through all the garbage quickly, since there are so MANY digest every day as so MUCH off topic bullshit. Joeri, no offense but you're pretty quick to let us "old timers" know when we've left out the proper acronym from the subject line, and I think we'd all be better served by eliminating the bullshit and fuck what's in the subject line as long as it relates to using Logic Audio. This is getting WAY out of control. Regards, ...z Keep America green, piss on the nearest Bush... -- =---Seek the truth, speak the truth!---= -- L.G. "Zeek" Duff WHAT!Productions! Blue Wall Studio bluewallstudio.com 303.485.9438 ICQ#35974686

Hi, I appreciate all the feedback I'm getting and there are many different opinions. Either I'll have to ban all OT from the LUG, or push all problem threads into a direction. Both will need a lot of time and effort. > Not if you want to enjoy something like a private life at a few times a > year... ;-) Don't have that anymore anyway. Bye, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

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Hi, I've found a way that I can put more time in the LUG: as some of you might know: all Emagic lists which I administrate have the following "protection" system: it's a unmoderated list, except for the fact that all new members are automatically moderated until I set them in unmoderated mode. This takes a lot of my time, but it's a "waterproof" system to guarantee there's no spam on the list etc. I've put the Sounddiver and TDM list in full unmoderated mode since those lists mostly don't receive spam anyway (not enough members for spammers to be worth the effort of subscribing). I'll use the time that I put in those lists, in the LUG from now on. That should (hopefully!) make a difference. (I'll still keep an eye on the other lists of course!) Bye, Joeri Joeri Vankeirsbilck wrote: > Hi, > > I appreciate all the feedback I'm getting and there are many different > opinions. Either I'll have to ban all OT from the LUG, or push all problem > threads into a direction. Both will need a lot of time and effort. > > > Not if you want to enjoy something like a private life at a few times a > > year... ;-) > > Don't have that anymore anyway. > > Bye, > Joeri > > -- > Joeri Vankeirsbilck > joeri@... > > Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com > List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

Thoughts from the one who says "Thoughts from the mind of......" >Personally I still believe that forcing every LUGger to subscribe to > the OT list would be the best solution... Yes that is the best idea, and also if the OT list gets busy- perhaps we could have a "Digest " option as well. I have the LUG in digest, or it would be too much to errrr "digest". :-) I think you're doing a great job Joeri- ask everyone's opinion, then make up YOUR mind, I for one, trust your judgement in matters of list management. Cheers John Groovey Band website mail to : chickenjohn@... http://www.grooveyband.co.uk/ East Kent Morris Minor Club web site or ; john@... http://www.ekmm.co.uk Shake The Snake web site (other band) or ; john@... http://www.shakethesnake.co.uk

> if the OT list gets busy- perhaps we > could have a "Digest " option as well. I have the LUG in digest, or it would > be too much to errrr "digest". :-) Every list has a digest setting. It's up to you to set your account in the mode you prefer. > I think you're doing a great job Joeri- ask everyone's opinion, then make up > YOUR mind, I for one, trust your judgement in matters of list management. Doing my best, although I know it's often not good enough... sometimes I make mistakes and people come up with better approaches to problems. I'd love to subscribe everyone to the OT list as it'd then be very easy on the LUG: no OT messages. On the other hand, the transaction will take a lot of time and effort + in the beginning there will be a lot of extra work. Right now I don't have that extra time that's needed. So right now I'll try to find another way, but eventually, subscribing everyone to this list is the solution imo. Bye, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

Zeek wrote: > I mentioned something to this effect in the last reply I made to > someone, and a request to at least take the BS to the OT list. The > traffic didn't change a bit and I KNOW I'm missing some things I'm > interested in by scanning through all the garbage quickly, since there > are so MANY digest every day as so MUCH off topic bullshit. I agree. <Joeri, no > offense but you're pretty quick to let us "old timers" know when we've > left out the proper acronym from the subject line, and I think we'd all > be better served by eliminating the bullshit and fuck what's in the > subject line as long as it relates to using Logic Audio. This is > getting WAY out of control. > > Regards, > ...z Don't take offense to this but I don't completely agree with this. I use Outlook for mails from this list. I like to have differnt folders for Gen, OT, etc. So I can then sift through the OT's when time is more permitting. So when things aren't labeled OT they go into another folder and I have to go through every e-mail. This isn't a problem for people who get the digest. But that has got to be an even bigger pain to have to scroll through a lot of huge OT with tons of qoutes and comments. If everybody was subscribed to the OT list atleast it could be sorted better or read at convenience. Or maybe not. As already mentioned most of the recent problems have been with kinda "on topic" discussions. So is there a solution? Will this thread become bigger than any of the problematic threads of recent? --Roger

unsubscribe > Hi Sascha, > > Your observations are indeed correct. The "problem" threads are mostly on > topic > ones. I'm not sure how to resolve this. I'll try to find some solutions. > > As for the OT threads: each time an OT thread has started, I'll suggest to > take > it to the OT list and I'll post the subscription and post info of the OT list, > so it's easier for people to subscribe. I hope this has some effect. > > Bye, > Joeri > > -- > Joeri Vankeirsbilck > joeri@... > > Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com > List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

logic-ot@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Original Message: > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:41:50 -0500 > From: "litepipe" <litepipe@...> > Subject: Re: I couldn't agree more... > > Zeek wrote: > > I mentioned something to this effect in the last reply I made to > > someone, and a request to at least take the BS to the OT list. The > > traffic didn't change a bit and I KNOW I'm missing some things I'm > > interested in by scanning through all the garbage quickly, since there > > are so MANY digest every day as so MUCH off topic bullshit. > > I agree. > > <Joeri, no > > offense but you're pretty quick to let us "old timers" know when we've > > left out the proper acronym from the subject line, and I think we'd all > > be better served by eliminating the bullshit and fuck what's in the > > subject line as long as it relates to using Logic Audio. This is > > getting WAY out of control. > > > > Regards, > > ...z > > Don't take offense to this but I don't completely agree with this. I use > Outlook for mails from this list. I like to have differnt folders for Gen, > OT, etc. So I can then sift through the OT's when time is more permitting. > So when things aren't labeled OT they go into another folder and I have to > go through every e-mail. This isn't a problem for people who get the digest. > But that has got to be an even bigger pain to have to scroll through a lot > of huge OT with tons of qoutes and comments. > If everybody was subscribed to the OT list atleast it could be sorted > better or read at convenience. Or maybe not. As already mentioned most of > the recent problems have been with kinda "on topic" discussions. So is there > a solution? Will this thread become bigger than any of the problematic > threads of recent? No offense taken, and point taken, Roger. I forgot some people use the acronyms for sorting purposes, and it really screws you up when stuff doesn't have one. And Joeri, you're doing a fine job and I didn't mean to imply otherwise, it's a fairly old problem, and with the list growth, I suppose that's what's made it "new" and so unmanageable lately. Anyway, your idea of splitting your time to keep a closer eye on the LUG seems like a good one, and hopefully one that won't put a crimp in your style. The fact that you do this for all of us goes way unappreciated IMO, and my friend, if you're ever in Colorado, I insist on buying you the biggest steak or veggie burger (if that's your thing) you've ever seen. ;) Last thing, maybe a note to the main list informing people that there IS an OT list (some still don't seem to realize it and it is in a different location than the main list on the Yahoo server), and a reminder that if one feels the subject is OT, it should be in the OT list in the first go 'round, and NOT the main list. Thanks again for your hard work, Joeri. Regards, ...z Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject. -- =---Seek the truth, speak the truth!---= -- L.G. "Zeek" Duff WHAT!Productions! Blue Wall Studio bluewallstudio.com 303.485.9438 ICQ#35974686

Joeri sed: >I'll use the time that I put in those >lists, in the LUG from now on. That should (hopefully!) make a difference. >(I'll still keep an eye on the other lists of course!) Just wanted to publicly thank you for your efforts (serious, this time :). It's really much appreciated -- and I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking so. And make sure you _do_ occasionally have the time to have a non-virtual beer with friends... tata, HJ -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra ( h@... )

Thoughts from the mind of Joeri Vankeirsbilck, 19-03-2001: > > Not if you want to enjoy something like a private life at a few times a >> year... ;-) > >Don't have that anymore anyway. Ahw, come on! We are your FRIENDS Joeri! I mean, "private life" "having friends, a social circle, and all that", right? Isn't that the same as "LUG"? So where's the problem...? And do you realise how much love and affection and appreciation you get through all the Good Work you do here? Doesn't _that_ count then? See, it isn't that bad at all, now, is it...? :-) tata, HJ -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra ( h@... )

> Joeri sed: > > >I'll use the time that I put in those > >lists, in the LUG from now on. That should (hopefully!) make a difference. > >(I'll still keep an eye on the other lists of course!) >Hendrik Jan Veenstra said: < > Just wanted to publicly thank you for your efforts (serious, this > time :). It's really much appreciated -- and I'm sure I'm not the > only one thinking so. And make sure you _do_ occasionally have the > time to have a non-virtual beer with friends... I second this. Your effeorts are greatly appreciated. Especially since you don't have to do anythng. You find time to keep this wonderful list (resource) open without any monetary gain. Thanks!! --Roger

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Hi, > >Don't have that anymore anyway. > Ahw, come on! We are your FRIENDS Joeri! I mean, "private life" > "having friends, a social circle, and all that", right? Isn't that > the same as "LUG"? So where's the problem...? Haha, good try! :) Well, one thing is for sure: the LUG got me in contact with people I would otherwise never have met. So indeed it's part of the "social circle", but let's be honest: it's not "da real thang". :-) I prefer really going out with friends and going for a drink e.g. (for those of you who didn't notice yet: I'm trying to pretend that I'm no computer nerd ;-)))) > And make sure you _do_ occasionally have the > time to have a non-virtual beer with friends... > As I said: no chance! I don't drink alcohol. LOL ;-) > The fact that you do this for all of us goes way > unappreciated IMO > I want to thank everyone for the flowers. > , and my friend, if you're ever in Colorado, I insist > on buying > you the biggest steak or veggie burger (if that's your thing) you've > ever seen. ;) > Well, I might keep you to that promise! :-) Where is Colorado again? ;-) Actually, I might be visiting the States this summer (not sure yet though, depends on time and money) and it'd be very nice to meet up with some LUGgers. > Last thing, maybe a note to the main list informing people that there > IS an OT list > (some still don't seem to realize it and it is in a different location > than the > main list on the Yahoo server) > Well, I'll more and more promote the OT list: every time I feel a Way OT thread starts, I'll post the info where to find the OT list etc. I've just put it into my moderation txt file which I keep on my desktop (it's quite easy to copy & paste parts of that txt file to other people) > , and a reminder that if one feels the > subject is OT, > it should be in the OT list in the first go 'round, and NOT the main > list. > Exactly! Bye, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

Joeri, Let me also thank you sincerely for your work on LUG; it is much appreciated. With regard to the general topics, such as :- When is..........? Mac vs. PC.....? What monitors, headphones etc. ? are entirely OT. Could you move them all to the OT List? Discussions of techniques of using LAW or LAM are the reason that I use the list. The tips are worth their weight in gold, especially anything by Hendrik, Sascha et al. Perhaps, for a period of, say, a week, you could bounce mails which do NOT use the headings protocol, which quote excessively and inappropriately, which show an intolerant attitude, and which add nothing to the list. You could see how the quality and quantity of posts is affected. best wishes to all LUGgers Graeme Douglas

Hi, After installing DirectX8 on my Win98se partition, Logic didn't start up anymore. I've tried to remove it by editing the registry, using DirectX removal programs (3 of them), reinstalling DirectX 7.0, 6.0 and 5.0.... nothing helped. For some people DirectX 8.0 works, for some it doesn't. Some can uninstall it correctly on their system, some can't. All I can now do is format my harddisk. So, my tip to everyone: do NOT install DirectX 8.0!!! Over and out... gonna format now, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@... Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

I totally agree with this view. Everything else is peripheral. I have stopped bothering with the LUG list, which is a shame, as the noise to signal ratio was massive. > >Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:30:09 -0000 > From: "Graeme Douglas" <greydug@...> >Subject: GEN: A gap between reading and comprehension > >Joeri, >Let me also thank you sincerely for your work on LUG; it is much appreciated. >With regard to the general topics, such as :- >When is..........? >Mac vs. PC.....? >What monitors, headphones etc. ? >are entirely OT. Could you move them all to the OT List? > >Discussions of techniques of using LAW or LAM are the reason that I use the list. The tips are worth their weight in gold, especially anything by Hendrik, Sascha et al. > >Perhaps, for a period of, say, a week, you could bounce mails which do NOT use the headings protocol, which quote excessively and inappropriately, which show an intolerant attitude, and which add nothing to the list. You could see how the quality and quantity of posts is affected. > >best wishes to all LUGgers >Graeme Douglas

Hoping that someone has similar setup, or could provide a clue. The EMU list has not been helpful. Not much traffic. Anyway, I have a frusrtating problem (aren't they always). Cutting out the history: Loading Emu presets to an E5000 from a Yamaha 8424CDRW results in "No disk in Drive"/"Invalid Bank" message. Scsi Chain E5000 Ultra Terminated ID 1 to (Win98 PC) Adaptec 29160N ID 7 to Seagate Barracuda ID 0 to Yamaha 8424CDRW ID 3 Terminated. Sampler receives/transmits from/to Wavelab with errors. Any Clue? Emu tech support no response - 12 Days

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Sorry I can't answer your question but you should be able to get an answer by posting at http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net a fantastic resource and very active forum. Come join the fun! Regards Tim ;o) Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:12:28 -0000 From: germeade@... Subject: Emu Sampler Hoping that someone has similar setup, or could provide a clue. The EMU list has not been helpful. Not much traffic. Anyway, I have a frusrtating problem (aren't they always). Cutting out the history: Loading Emu presets to an E5000 from a Yamaha 8424CDRW results in "No disk in Drive"/"Invalid Bank" message. Scsi Chain E5000 Ultra Terminated ID 1 to (Win98 PC) Adaptec 29160N ID 7 to Seagate Barracuda ID 0 to Yamaha 8424CDRW ID 3 Terminated. Sampler receives/transmits from/to Wavelab with errors. Any Clue? Emu tech support no response - 12 Days ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Hi ! If you're interested. I have started a session in Emagic Pro studio center [http://www.emagicstudios.com] called 'Audio Round-Table' It will kick off this wednesday [Mar 28] at 8pm. [just look for it in the Emagic Pro public sessions list ] > A discussion forum [chat] for Audio Pros will be held in this session on Wednesdays (at 8PM [pst] > (thursday,0400 GMT) initially, until it can be extended further for other time-zones).The purpose will be to > exchange experience on anything in the audio realm which has been of concern to Pro users during the week. If > you're having a 'learning curve' kinda day, let's help each other out :) Or just come and 'chew-the-fat' > [thanks to RedSky for suggesting this forum] I know that every 'Pro' user has a unique studio setup, and often approaches the way they work with Logic Audio, ProTools etc. in quite a different manner. So often one user may have valuable info and experience to pass on to their peers, and vice-versa, when needed. It's good to get in a forum where people have similar expeience levels, so that they don't have to sweat the basics too much, and where we can all drop in when we hit a snag in production, and can find someone to confer with. At first the session will be only scheduled for the wed 8pm [PST] slot, to test the waters, but I hope there can be a rolling agenda with sesions on a bi-weekly basis and covering several time-zones. Also, I would like to see the session used as a drop-in , so it will be known that anyone logged in there is prepared to chat about nerdy stuff, or swap war-stories, a litttle :) if you feel you are interested but the time-slot prohibits you from joining, just drop me a line and I'll keep you informed of any new sessions we schedule that will suit. Also, when this takes off, we will be looking for volunteers to moderate sessions in other time-slots. Lets make this a lively discussion forum for Audio Pro's in general . Dave Eager [aka- oink] <rocketnetwork facilitator>

You can get the info here: http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/mill_g450/pci.cfm So....how about one of you AGP G450 Dual-Head owners picking up about 3 of these PCI versions and let me know if Logic(LAWP)can run with 8 monitors concurrently? Probably no were near enough bandwidth and other issues, even with a Hammerfall. But it's nice to dream!!! BTW, does anyone know the maximum number of graphics ports supported by Windows (98,Me,W2K)? I thought I read somewhere that it was 8 but, I can't find any info now. GaryO

Uh-oh, I'm afraid that this answer/thread could become a bit longer... maybe we should take that to the L-OT if you want to go a bit more into the details. I'm ccing anyways <gi-meyer@...> wrote: > I sample a LOT, loops, riffs, whatever. Mostly funk, rock, jazz. WHen > performing live, we improvise on top of the loops and beats. For some > reason, I have discovered that playing the following scale on top of > loops (in the loop's key) works very well: > > C D D# F F# G A# C Well, that's a common minor scale with some kinda obvious chromatic note (the F#). To clear a very basic thing right from the start, in western music's 7 tone scales there's a common practise of not using ANY note-letter twice with the exception of chromatics (there are some further exceptions but we might not want to deal with them right now). It's also that usually EACH note-letter in a kinda *full* 7-note scale is used once. The above mentioned scale would originally dericve from some minor scale, for a start let's say natural minor, that one would look like this: C D Eb F G Ab Bb C (as you see, each letter is only used once). The derivative pentatonic scale would then be: C Eb F G Bb C and the additional chromatic note would make it look like: C Eb F F# (or Gb, just as you like, usually depending on scoring reasons) G Bb C You might complain that the D is missing here, but that's just not part of the pentatonic scale Btw (and that might be important to know before continuing this discussion) there's a strong reason for only using each note-letter once. Usually in analysis scales are explained/analysed stepwise, meaning that EACH letter becomes an appropriate number. To demonstrate, a plain C major scale woul look like that: C - 1 D - 2 E - 3+ (as it's a major third, some people prefer 3j, but I prefer the + sign for scale analysis) F - 4 G - 5 A - 6 B - 7+ (+ for a major seventh this time) Having said that, an A allways is some kinda 6th degree on any C scale, no matter if it's major or minor, so the A# just doesn't meet the theory in your above mentioned scale. I know that this is caused by Logic as Logic allways gives the # first. But anyways I wanted to have the most obvious things in terms of notenames cleared up before we continue with any discussion Now, the reason that this scale often fits your needs when improvising over the above mentioned stuff might be that all of those styles (especially rock and funk) prefer minor keys as their roots and the above mentioned pentatonic scale is like an "allrounder" to fit these kinda chords. > (Here the Logic part comes in; I use the environment to transpose and > remap notes, to make sure I never hit a wrong note. I know, cheating, > but thats what technology is for isnt it) Eheh... > But now I feel I have "used" up this scale. But I don't know where to > go, I don't know WHY this particulary scale works so well on a lot of > loops. It just does. What is typical jazz scales, what are good > scales to improvise on top of? The "goodness" of scales allways depends on the root chord and the amount of chord progressions. (Sidenote: IMO it depends way more on the improviser to make smart use of phrasing, but well, that issue can't be covered theoretically too easily). But ok, let's assume you had a lot of stuff where your minor scale allready is doing a fine job. For a start you could just try to "complete" the scale, that is using like a full minor scale over your loops. Most likely a so-called "dorian" minor scale (we might discuss the meaning of that later on...) would do a good job for this. That one over a C root would look like this: C D Eb F G A Bb C Now you might still add the F# as a chromatic passing note, but there's some other interesting chromatic passing notes (vastely arranged in order of "average" appearance): B, C#, E and G# So the complete thing could look like: C (C#) D Eb (E) F (F#) G (G#) A Bb (B) C One very important thing is that for a start most likely you shouldn't use those chromatic passing notes as target notes for your lines as they allways cause some "need" to be resolved into one of their neigbour notes for ears trained to listen to western music. It's especially true for the E as that one would be the major third over a minor chord, most likely the most clashing note in harmonic theory. With the above mentioned scale that might also be true for the A, but that's more up to your phrasing-wise interpretation of it. As soon as you go the feeling that the A might not fit at all (not even as a passing note when playing the scale without any chromatics) you might try using an Ab, which would give you a C natural minor scale. Hrm, I think this answer could go outta hand, I don't even know if you have the slightest clue what I'm talking about... I should finish for now and wait for your reactions... > ps, I have no formal musical education. ok maybe thats the problem? Just because of that. Honestly, there's some books which explain chord-scale relationsships, you should get one of those. I don't know any proper ones that are internationally published, but I seem to remember a reasonable one of Jerry Coker (piano based I think, personally I'm a guitar player). Oh, eventually a good idea comes to my mind... I think I will be hanging around on the RocketNetwork servers this evening/night (CET that is), so you could just download the latest RocketControl and join, might be a nice thing to clear some of these things online (my current username up there is SaschaBeta, you could do a search or mail me before). Of course everybody else might join as well, maybe we could have an interesting discussion. So far, Sascha