Hi, We released yesterday the new version for OS-9 of VSTi "Albino". Especially released for Emagic Logic users. (Albino had a spooky problem with Logic at OS-9) For the ones, who do not know what "Albino" is about, please visit my homepage at www.robpapen.com "Albino" did get the Future Music Platinum Award! (magazine July issue). You can find the demo-version of Albino on my homepage. Enjoy, Rob Papen

Jeremy, I'm not sure about the effect of the impedance, but if you're worried about the headphones not being sensitive (loud) enough given a low-output amplifier: look no further than Grado Labs headphones. I've had two semi-priced models and heard also the expensive ones, and they are *very* close to Stax sound quality. And they are extremely sensitive. SR-80 is quoted 32 ohms, dunno if that's a good thing, then ;). They were around 135 euros some years ago in Finland, so I'd guess you'd get them for 100-120 USD. The SR-125 that I now have are even better sounding and some 150 euros more expensive. www.gradolabs.com/ Well worth a listen, IMHO. rgds, .björn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Martin" <jeremy@...> To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:44 AM Subject: [L-OT] headphones / headphone amps > I'm trying to decide which pair of headphones to buy for now... > > Part of the time I'll be listening to them while they are plugged > into an RME HDSP9632 (http://www.rme- > audio.de/english/hdsp/hdsp9632.htm ) > which has a "Low impedance output (75 ohm) for headphones, stepless > output level through software faders" > > The other part of the time I'm going to lug them to work and plug > them into an old SoundBlaster Live card in my workstation... No > idea what its impedance is but I'm sure it isn't pretty. I might > get a portable CD player but I'm sure most of them don't have > that great of sound quality either.. In any case I just want > something better than cheap $20 headphones to listen to music > with while at work, plus it will give me a chance to get to know > the headphones better. > > I was thinking of getting some $200 Sennheiser HD580 headphones but > I'm afraid they would be too good as they have 300 ohms of > impedance. I glanced at some headphone amplifiers but nearly all > of them were designed to have multiple headphone outputs and all > I would really need is 1 high quality output... > > If I turned the volume up all the way on my computer at work, would > it still be too quiet to hear through the HD580s? I assume its > impedance is less than or equal to the HDSP9632's... > > So does anyone know any models of headphone amps with just one > input and output that have a frequency response of 12-38k Hz like > the HD580 does, preferably with a THD of < .1% etc? I wonder > how much such a device would cost? > > Or do you think I should just get cheaper/other headphones for now? > I.e. maybe the AudioTechnica ATHM40fs which only has 60 ohms of > impedance? I just don't want to miss out on any bass. :-) Could > anyone suggest any other models I might want to look at, in the > retail-price-of-$270-but-really-sells-for-$200-range, that > doesn't have so much impedance so I wouldn't have to worry about > getting a headphone amp? > > Thanks! > Jeremy

Hi Jeremy - you may also want to check out the Sony MDR-7506 or 7509. John Pitcairn ------------------------------------------------------------------ Midi controller learn in Logic 5. Soft takeover. Lots of memories. Tracks remember control assignments. Write track automation. Fadermapper environment demo: http://www.revolver.co.nz/fadermapper/ ------------------------------------------------------------------

i have many fellow songwriters that use MidiDisc recorders when they are writing.. sony has this small stereo mic that plugs into the 1/8" input jack... being that i'm using a TiBook, logic 6.1, MIO2882+dsp... ya'd think it was time to ditch the use of a rather limited record-time of a small cassette recorder... anything i should look for among various models...? any place to purchase from for a good deal? thanks for the help... tv

On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 08:49:18PM +0100, tony vincent wrote: > i have many fellow songwriters that use MidiDisc recorders when they are > writing.. sony has this small stereo mic that plugs into the 1/8" input > jack... being that i'm using a TiBook, logic 6.1, MIO2882+dsp... ya'd think > it was time to ditch the use of a rather limited record-time of a small > cassette recorder... anything i should look for among various models...? > any place to purchase from for a good deal? sony (and recently, sharp) has "netMD", which is a handy way to transfer files (one way) to the MD. most MD recorders have optical s/pdif line-ins (i've only seen mini optical, so your average toslink pair won't work) - you'll definitely want that. otherwise, see if you can find info about which model has the best DAC and all that. i'm very happy with my sharp. -- yours, niall. .. . . . . . . . . . aleph null. a simple insinuation around silence. see: http://www.vietnambla.com hear: http://radio.vietnambla.com .. .radio.free.destruktobot. .. playing now: lexaunculpt - six - 1999 tour

Does Anybody know something about the technical procedure of Noise Gates and Expanders (links to explanations, schematics, manuals...)? Thanx

Hi Tony! Last I looked, the word generally seemed to be that the choice for mobile MD recording was between a few of the nicer Sharp models and the Sony MZ-N10 (assuming that we aren't talking about "pro" units). The Sony N10 lets you adjust recording levels while in "record pause", and apparently the older Sony models didn't (supposedly one reason why so many people bought Sharps). Some reviews say that the Sharps tended to sound cleaner than the older Sonys too, but I don't know whether this was just down to default EQ settings or something more fundamental. I got an N10 because of some of the features (can't remember which right now!), and am pretty happy with it (apart from the inability to dump digitally, which apparently none of them do). Then again, if you are comparing it to compact cassette, those don't dump digitally either! The display could have done with being a bit bigger. The N10 record latch is fiddly, but I always put the unit into record pause first, then take the pause off to start recording, which is straightforward, and lets you monitor and set up levels first. There are occasional features that the Sharps have and the Sony doesn't, or vice versa, so get a _full_ feature list for the models that you are looking at. I did find a certain loss of oomph on /some/ material (heavily studio- produced stuff with wide-spectrum transients which were probably too aggressive for the ATRAC data-compression to render perfectly), but on the plus side, you have an alleged 20k bandwidth and no horrid tape noise! Try www.minidisco.com for nice accessories and microphones and stuff. --- In logic-ot@yahoogroups.com, niall munnelly <aleph@a...> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 08:49:18PM +0100, tony vincent wrote: ... anything i should look for among various models...? > > any place to purchase from for a good deal? > > > sony (and recently, sharp) has "netMD", which is a handy way to transfer files (one way) to the MD. > > most MD recorders have optical s/pdif line-ins (i've only seen mini optical, > so your average toslink pair won't work) - you'll definitely want that. > > otherwise, see if you can find info about which model has the best DAC and > all that. i'm very happy with my sharp.

Check this out; http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/25/download.suits.ap/index.html Yavuz AKYAZICI http://yavuz.dhs.org

Heya Yavuz, On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 12:39:37 PM, you wrote: y> Check this out; y> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/25/download.suits.ap/index.html "The Recording Industry Association of America ... said it will begin Thursday to search Internet file-sharing networks to identify users who offer 'substantial' collections of mp3 music files for downloading." Not quite as bad as the subject line makes it seem.. On the other hand Internet Service Provider (in the USA at least) have definitely noticed the increased bandwidth people have been using and have been decreasing how much bandwith people are allowed to use to save money. When I worked for a dial-up ISP from 1997-2001 things were based on a 10:1 ratio, 10 customers for 1 phone line, and in reality about 10% of the bandwidth that everyone could draw if everyone was downloading/uploading all at once. Now that more and more people are staying online all the time, and there are so many broadband users who are starting to actually use their fast connections, the 10:1 ratio no longer applies and the ISPs seemed to be forced to cap bandwidth more and more - it would kill their profits if they had to buy enough bandwidth to let everyone actually use their internet connections at even half speed 24/7. 3 years ago the local cable company where I live didn't have any upload limits, just a rough 1.5 Mb/s overall bandwidth cap (about 190KB/s). 2 years ago they switched to 60 KB/s upload speeds and you could only upload/download 1 gig per day (which made it kind of hard to download the 5 cds of RedHat 8.0 without waiting forever; it was possible to go over the daily limit in 1 hour, argh)... And today I notice they just switched it to 30 KB/s upload speeds. I wonder if RIAA had anything to do with that? Best regards, Jeremy mailto:sadus@...

Hi there, I am currently looking into buying either a Pocketdial or the Pocketcontrol (or similar Products, if anyone knows one). I would like to use it in a live setting where I can route the midi controls to different filters or faders on different tracks. Is there a small controller (4 or 8 faders) out there that has motorized faders (not the Logic Control Surface)? Thank you in advance for ideas and recommendations. Cheers Hans

> Is there a small controller (4 or 8 faders) out there that has > motorized faders (not the Logic Control Surface)? > > Thank you in advance for ideas and recommendations. > > Cheers > Hans baby hui? motormix?

Hello! I'm trying to setup a DIGI 96 Hammerfal Series: The Drivers are setup, they are in the audio drivers selection at the hardware menu in Logic but is says Hardware not available! (-1000) when I try to launch it. Can you guys help me?

--- luvianism <luvianism@...> wrote: > Hello! > I'm trying to setup a DIGI 96 Hammerfal Series: The > Drivers are > setup, they are in the audio drivers selection at > the hardware menu > in Logic but is says Hardware not available! (-1000) > when I try to > launch it. > Can you guys help me? > > Are you on a Mac(PC) or Windows(PC)? > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

yoonchinet wrote > Hi folks, > I'm looking for people who can tell me about their experience with an > EMI 6|2m on Windows and OSX. Is it reliable or does it suck all the > time? > TIA, > Yoonchi. It works great for me. I use it on a Powerbook G3 300 running OS X with a Macally USB card constantly, as a part of my stereo. I also use it to write beats, I have used it on a generic USB PCI card and a MDD G4 all worked in OS 9.1 to 10.2.5. windows though? everyone I know who has them have Macs. eat eat eat eat eat eat eat http://www.cervix.net/

Yep, I use one all the time on OSX, on lots of different machines - powerbooks, single-processor G4s, dual G4s, etc. It works great, I've never had a single problem with it. I don't know about Windows, either, sorry. --- Plate of shrimp On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:37:54 Haven Siguenza wrote: >yoonchinet wrote > >> Hi folks, >> I'm looking for people who can tell me about their experience with an >> EMI 6|2m on Windows and OSX. Is it reliable or does it suck all the >> time? >> TIA, >> Yoonchi. > >It works great for me. I use it on a Powerbook G3 300 running OS X with a >Macally USB card constantly, as a part of my stereo. I also use it to write >beats, I have used it on a generic USB PCI card and a MDD G4 all worked in >OS 9.1 to 10.2.5. > > >windows though? >everyone I know who has them have Macs. > > > >eat eat eat eat eat eat eat >http://www.cervix.net/ > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 12:55:59PM -0700, Chris Butler wrote: > Yep, I use one all the time on OSX, on lots of different machines - powerbooks, single-processor G4s, dual G4s, etc. It works great, I've never had a single problem with it. > > I don't know about Windows, either, sorry. my experience with the 2|6 (i dunno if you're asking about the 6|2 or 2|6, or if there's even an appreciable driver difference) in windows has been pretty lousy. i can't get it down to less than 30 ms without clicks and pops in a whole slew of programs. i may try the usb-asio driver with it sometime, maybe i'll have better luck. -- yours, niall. .. . . . . . . . . . aleph null. a simple insinuation around silence. see: http://www.vietnambla.com hear: http://radio.vietnambla.com .. .radio.free.destruktobot. .. playing now: he said omala - post code orange - catch supposes

I know this may seem like it doesn't belong here, but please bear with me. I want to know how Logic Plat 5 (or later) users rate and/or compare the programs Sibelius and Finale for making quality prints of the music they make in Logic. Any thoughts on this, to help me choose a notation program to go with Logic. Looking for the most professional results and customizability (for mod music) with the least hassle in going between Logic and the notation app. Perhaps there has already been a thread on this topic? Could someone point me to it? (My modem is IMMENsely slow). Thanks, Vlad

On a fine day, 15-07-2003, bladderskate wrote: >I know this may seem like it doesn't belong here, but please bear with me. This is L-OT, isn't it, so anything belongs here :) >I want to know how Logic Plat 5 (or later) users rate and/or compare >the programs Sibelius and Finale for making quality prints of the >music they make in Logic. Any thoughts on this, to help me choose a >notation program to go with Logic. Looking for the most professional >results and customizability (for mod music) with the least hassle in >going between Logic and the notation app. I'm by no means an expert. Years ago I did some notation with Finale (version 3.something) and I've never even seen Sibelius. Still, any input is input, right? So... If you want a program that can do anything except make coffee, get Finale. Want a 13-line stave (or is that staff?) with custom note-heads that have a user-defined MIDI-meaning? Finale does it. Think up the most ridiculous requirement you could have, and Finale does it. BUT... if you think Logic's learning curve is steep, you've never seen Finale. Maybe it has been improved since I last used it, but Finale is the *only* piece of software that absolutely drove me up the wall (and I used a hell of a lot of different software packages over the years). Change something: plough your way through at least 3 dialogs (and often 5 or more). And somehow I would always forget where option so-and-so was, so I got to taking notes of what I did and save those, so I could use my own notes as a reference in the future. Completely utterly impossible interface. It's very good though when it comes to stuff like extracting individual parts from orchestral scores and such. Sibelius: no idea, never seen it. but I've heard some very good things about it. Probably less powerful than Finale (which still is the industry standard, I believe), but also more user-friendly I suppose. Switching between Logic and some notation-app: what often amazes me is that people expect to be able to just play a piece loosely, and still get good notation out of it. IMO that's impossible. You have to have 2 copies of a piece: one for notation purposes, and one for playing/recording. And that's true regardless of the notation app you use (including Logic itself). With Finale I used to make a hard-quantized version of a piece, export as midifile, and import in Finale. That worked rather well. Most of the clean-up involved having to do enharmonic changes, but that's no big deal. Of course such a version sounds horrible, but that's irrelevant (and also explains why I never used the MIDI functionality of Finale, and consider it irrelevant). So the most important job in going from Logic to a notation-app is quantising both the note-start (easy) and note-length (cumbersome, unfortunately) in Logic. After that at least Finale should give you a pretty decent score as a starting point. Don't know about Sibelius, but I would expect its functionality to be similar. Still, there's lots of work left after importing the midifile. Often the spacing in a bar is way off (Finale stretching one bar across a full page line , while you want to fit 2 bars on that same line, etc). That's where Finale becomes (or: became) cumbersome. You can do it -- in fact, you can do anything in Finale -- but in my experience you have to have an extraordinary amount of patience and perseverance (or a bloody good memory for the zillion dialogs, or both). Probably others have more recent experiences with either application and can share some really useful info. Just thought I'd tell you about my past experiences, and my general thoughts about sequencer-to-notation work. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra h @ k n o w a r e . n l Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Hi all Just my thougths: I believe that Finale is the most powerful software when it comes to music notation....and the new versions (2002, 2003) can hardly compare with those of past years (specially the 3.x series). Now I find Finale a very intuitive program, absolutely powerful and capable of anything you can imagine, and with very few weak points. I've used some demo of Sibelius, and I find it a little beautiful-looking-in-the-screen program, but in some strange way, I find it "less professional" than Finale, but then it can be because I got all my knowledge about scores in the computers with Finale, so... I recommend you to try both of them...and I'd say that no sequencing program can compare in no way with an dedicated software like Finale. Peace... Santi Galán > > >I know this may seem like it doesn't belong here, but please bear with me. > > This is L-OT, isn't it, so anything belongs here :) > > >I want to know how Logic Plat 5 (or later) users rate and/or compare > >the programs Sibelius and Finale for making quality prints of the > >music they make in Logic. Any thoughts on this, to help me choose a > >notation program to go with Logic. Looking for the most professional > >results and customizability (for mod music) with the least hassle in > >going between Logic and the notation app. >

Finale may have changed but I in the past it was a horror story. Sibelius is fast and very direct and has pretty good MIDI. I find I get the job done fast and I don't have to crack the manual all the time as Finale users are noted to do. There are also a lot of new music features if you are interested in them. I would not go for FInale unless you really know what you are getting into. Regards Paul Nicholls On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 02:31 PM, Santi Galán wrote: > Hi all > > Just my thougths: > > I believe that Finale is the most powerful software when it comes to > music > notation....and the new versions (2002, 2003) can hardly compare with > those > of past years (specially the 3.x series). Now I find Finale a very > intuitive > program, absolutely powerful and capable of anything you can imagine, > and > with very few weak points. I've used some demo of Sibelius, and I find > it a > little beautiful-looking-in-the-screen program, but in some strange > way, I > find it "less professional" than Finale, but then it can be because I > got > all my knowledge about scores in the computers with Finale, so... > > I recommend you to try both of them...and I'd say that no sequencing > program > can compare in no way with an dedicated software like Finale. > > Peace... > > Santi Galán > >> >>> I know this may seem like it doesn't belong here, but please bear >>> with > me. >> >> This is L-OT, isn't it, so anything belongs here :) >> >>> I want to know how Logic Plat 5 (or later) users rate and/or compare >>> the programs Sibelius and Finale for making quality prints of the >>> music they make in Logic. Any thoughts on this, to help me choose a >>> notation program to go with Logic. Looking for the most professional >>> results and customizability (for mod music) with the least hassle in >>> going between Logic and the notation app. >> > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Natural Vitamins for Good Prostate & Male Health. $28.97 > http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2865&lp=prosta2.html > http://us.click.yahoo.com/qJIe0D/89VGAA/ySSFAA/mjFolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

With all my respects: I don't say "Finale may have changed", I said Finale HAS changed, and talking now about a very old version like the 3.x is like comparing Logic 5 with Creator or Notator... I make part of my living teaching people to do scoring on computers with Finale, and I find that for the most part, even persons with no background in computers are able to use this program and make a pretty good amount of different kinds of scores, just with some classes. Anyway, I again reccomend everybody that is willing to start with a notation program, find someone to explain him both of the professional choices (Sibelius and Finale), and then decide... Regards Santi Galán ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Nicholls" <paulnicholls@...> To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [L-OT] notation software comparison Finale may have changed but I in the past it was a horror story. Sibelius is fast and very direct and has pretty good MIDI. I find I get the job done fast and I don't have to crack the manual all the time as Finale users are noted to do. There are also a lot of new music features if you are interested in them. I would not go for FInale unless you really know what you are getting into. Regards Paul Nicholls

--- In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-users/message/142998 , methinked@e... wrote: > > For anyone who uses Adobe Premiere in their workflow on a > Mac, Apple is now offering a free crossgrade from Premiere > to Final Cut Express, or $300 off Final Cut Pro in light > of Adobe's recent decision to cease Premiere development > on Mac. Both offers require you to send in your > Premiere disc. Its a shame ... I really liked the idea of cross-platform software, I thought it kept everything competitive. But I guess we are heading for a situation where if you want any media software for the Mac, you'll have to get it from Apple. Since the company now have their own media apps, and are agressively promoting them (and have the ability to "shift the goalposts" at short notice to wrong-foot the oposition), then there's really not much point in anyone else trying to make those sorts of products for the Mac any more.

On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 07:45 AM, Eric Baird wrote: > Its a shame ... I really liked the idea of cross-platform software, I > thought it kept everything competitive. But I guess we are heading > for a situation where if you want any media software for the Mac, > you'll have to get it from Apple. > No argument - but you have to admit the goal posts have already been shifted by Avid, Adobe and countless other companies who were once "Mac first" companies but now are "Windows first". I think this is a defensive move on Apple's part, and quite understandable.

--- mercutio <mercutio@...> wrote: > > . But I > guess we are heading > > for a situation where if you want any media > software for the Mac, > > you'll have to get it from Apple. > > > No argument - but you have to admit the goal posts > have already been > shifted by Avid, Adobe and countless other companies > who were once "Mac > first" companies but now are "Windows first". > > I think this is a defensive move on Apple's part, > and quite > understandable. > > The Goal post's were set by Apple back when they took the cloning of there PC away from 3rd party companies. If cloning of there product was still going on there market share in the PC realm would be greatly increased. And just maybe there would be more 3rd party "Mac Only" software companies out there.You can't blame companies like Avid and Adobe to simply go where the bulk of business resides. I'm afraid that in the future if you want the software that'll run on your Mac, you'll need to turn to Apple more and more. -Steve __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 09:57 AM, itsplayed wrote: > I'm afraid that in > the future if you want the software that'll run on > your Mac, you'll need to turn to Apple more and more. > You may be right... Apple may even just die. But since I already prefer Logic, FCP et al to their respective competitors, its not a problem at least for the present.