>> My questioning now is...Is Orren Merton suited to be a moderator? Tony Perreta wrote: > My views align entirely with his - so maybe we should both resign. Perhaps, Tony...If that is how you feel. I can't argue a man, with a level head that just made sense in their dialogue. If without reasonable doubt, that is the way you feel...then by all means, you do what you feel is viable. There is no dishonor in resigning...it is brave to do so. And it is respectful to others...it takes a bigger man to admit they are wrong or not able to change in light of things. That is also a commendable trait in a human. I am not saying you HAVE to, just cause I said so or IMPLIED it. But... a) One does have to be pliable when positioned with authority. b) One should question themselves, if viably questioned by others. This is why we have things like Internal Affairs, with regards to police...IA's position is very clear...To watch the watchers. Sorry to say it, so far, most of the Mod Squad seems to be set on regarding Admin's as being right and that is it. Case Closed. I heard no admission of possibilities that indicate, that some of US may be right in our views. None of the Admins here have said..."Hmmm, Henrik, I think you have made the best case". Get my drift. So far two factions, in disagreement and yet no compromise is being made. So, now we are basically fighting over the very same thing we were moderated for debating. LOL. Yet, let's face it...I think I have deleted at least "50" AU/VST diatribes over the past few days, coming in from the LUG. But hey, it is On Topic right? Despite the fact that MOST of it is a long winded, misinformed crock of shit. LOL. Sorry, but true. L-OT to me is just an asylum for the lunatics on the LUG...yeah, me to...guilty as charged...LOL. I remember many of Mac vs. PC debate being diverted over here. Is really the Mac vs. PC debate even on topic to music making with L-OT? Think about it. Not really...sorry no. But I let it go...cause this is the asylum of where that can take place. Peace, Alexis

> >> My questioning now is...Is Orren Merton suited to be a moderator? > > Tony Perreta wrote: > > My views align entirely with his - so maybe we should both resign. > > Perhaps, Tony...If that is how you feel. I can't argue a man, with a > level head that just made sense in their dialogue. Sorry? I am one of the admin team simply because at a time when the LUG was 'messy' very few answered Jeremy's initial email asking for assitance. Jeremy sent out a further email to whihc I replied saying that I didn't consider myself a prominent member (tho I have been on and off the LUG since 96) but was willing to help out on an ad hoc basis when there is any need. I have no interest in moderating, and have never moderated, the L-OT. > a) One does have to be pliable when positioned with authority. huh? > b) One should question themselves, if viably questioned by others. Agreed. > This is why we have things like Internal Affairs, with regards to > police...IA's position is very clear...To watch the watchers. Sorry to > say it, so far, most of the Mod Squad seems to be set on regarding > Admin's as being right and that is it. Case Closed. This is not the case - the moderators have all talked about this and some of us are unclear (I include myself) as to the rôle of the L-OT. Hence the poll. Hence many of the msgs by moderators merely defending Jeremy's position as list admin. > I heard no admission of possibilities that indicate, that some of US > may be right in our views. You can't have been reading all the emails then. I have said that I have no position as to what the L-OT should be. Though I do have a philosophical position with repsect to the freedom of speech arguments put forward by others. It might be that u did not realise I was an admin. > None of the Admins here have said..."Hmmm, > Henrik, I think you have made the best case". Maybe if we thought he had we would have said so. > Get my drift. So far > two factions, in disagreement and yet no compromise is being made. Er ... Jeremy has agreed to let the poll dictate the nature of the list. What more compromise would u propose? > So, > now we are basically fighting over the very same thing we were > moderated for debating. LOL. This isn't a fight Alexis. You are just misintepreting the admin's position despite it seeming to be clear to me. > Yet, let's face it...I think I have deleted at least "50" AU/VST > diatribes over the past few days, coming in from the LUG. You and I both. > But hey, it > is On Topic right? I would say so tho sometimes one wonders. > Despite the fact that MOST of it is a long winded, > misinformed crock of shit. LOL. Sorry, but true. L-OT to me is just > an asylum for the lunatics on the LUG > Feel free to vote that way in the poll. > ...yeah, me to...guilty as > charged...LOL. I remember many of Mac vs. PC debate being diverted > over here. Is really the Mac vs. PC debate even on topic to music > making with L-OT? Yes. It is like debating the merits of microphones. Some like to use expensive Royer ribbon mics on guitar cabs and others super cheap SM57s (the greatest mic ever). Having said this I must admit to finding MAC or PC evangelists for the most part the worst thing on the LUG. I have no problem with informed opinions and comparisons. > Think about it. Not really...sorry no. But I let > it go...cause this is the asylum of where that can take place. I think the problem, as astutely highlighted by Jeremy, is that some people think the L-OT is one thing and others another. Is the L-OT here to serve the LUG or have unlimited scope? I guess a decision will be made one way or the other. Alexis - hows about we just wait for the final outcome and abide by it? I for one don't care which way it goes. Tony Perretta

--- In logic-ot@y..., Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote: > I'm sorry Jeremy, but some people here are trying to do > exactly that: bring something to your attention, namely > the fact that they don't like the prospect of having a > "strictly musical" moderated L-OT list. Yes, that definitely came to my attention, as well as the attention to the other admins. Which is why we created the poll, instead of specifically focusing the list on music related issues. I was referring to people suggesting other admins do not make a good moderator, should resign, etc. > Many of your replies to some valid arguments that have > been made are somewhat weak in my opinion, and (thus?) > spark even more reactions, etc, etc, ad nauseam. That's the problem: I was thinking the exact same thing about other people's replies. Obviously the group here is split nearly 50/50 on this issue. We are not all going to agree about this. > And then you go about saying that people who like arguing > have some sort of psychological disease. I don't think > I quite like that to be honest. I was just joking, but still, some people don't seem to be able to give this a rest and just wait for the poll to conclude. > And then I'm even ignoring the fact that you seem to be > as keen on an argument as the next guy... Honestly I don't care that much what you guys talk about here. If members hadn't started writing/complaining to the admins about things we would not have done anything. When people start bringing issues to my attention that make perfect sense to me (e.g. keeping this Emagic- related list focused loosely on music-related things only, but nothing that will always eventually start big flame wars such as politics) what can I do but reply to the constant barrage of argumentative posts people have been writing? In my opinion any time list members are offended enough to write to the admins or start unsubscribing in disgust, something is wrong. When a large number of members express a valid opinion but don't wish to argue about it repeatedly in public, I feel as if its my job as an admin to help express their perfectly side of this issue. If no one were to argue about this issue anymore I'd gladly wait for the poll to conclude in silence.. Jeremy

Go see this movie Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore. It is a great documentary. I especially enjoyed the Charlton Heston interview and the Marilyn Manson interview. It has nothing to do with Logic or music, but it's really good. thanks Teddybut www.bowlingforcolumbine.com

At 10:40 PM 10/26/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Go see this movie Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore. It is >a great documentary. I especially enjoyed the Charlton Heston >interview and the Marilyn Manson interview. It has nothing to do >with Logic or music, but it's really good. > >thanks >Teddybut > >www.bowlingforcolumbine.com I especially liked in the beginning with the bank that gives a free shotgun when you open an account. Colin Miller

five questions for jeremy . How did you get to be moderator on this list ? Do you get paid for being a moderator ? To whom are you responsible in an official sense ? Why are you being so friggin boring ? its like the alphabetical equivalent of an earnest but artistically empty funereal dirge ! To whom do we compain about the actions of the moderator ? you seem to have all the attributes of a born again on a mission from god , I'm sorry if that sounds a bit insulting but you just keep perpetuating it day in day out . I can only assume you want to kill the list off because another week of this and I'm definitely outta here too [hip hip hooray was heard in the background ,or was that the moaning of a desert wind] Paul

--- In logic-ot@y..., Colin Miller <snoopy@m...> wrote: > At 10:40 PM 10/26/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >Go see this movie Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore. It is > >a great documentary. > I especially liked in the beginning with the bank that gives a free shotgun > when you open an account. > > Colin Miller Oh... Hi Colin what did you think of the rest of the movie? Is Michael Moore an alarmist or is there really something messed up about our media? teddybut

> >Oh... Hi Colin > >what did you think of the rest of the movie? Is Michael Moore an >alarmist or is there really something messed up about our >media? > >teddybut I have seen the movie before your posts asking me to. I don't know why you would think I would think Micheal is an alarmist, I follow most everything he does and carry pretty much the same views always have. Heck, I have pointed that out time and time again, but still you never seem to get that. I get that a lot on this list. :-) Colin

Thoughts from the mind of Jeremy Martin, 26-10-2002: > > And then you go about saying that people who like arguing >> have some sort of psychological disease. I don't think >> I quite like that to be honest. > >I was just joking, but still, some people don't seem to be able to >give this a rest and just wait for the poll to conclude. Maybe some people have given arguments as to why a poll is bound to be inconclusive or why the validity of the outcome might still be debatable. On the one hand you say this group is not a democracy but an oligarchy. Yet you use a democratic mechanism to determine list-policy. And at the same time this same democratic mechanism is bound to fail, for reasons explained earlier. Puzzling. And thus sparking more debate. Oh well... > > And then I'm even ignoring the fact that you seem to be >> as keen on an argument as the next guy... > >Honestly I don't care that much what you guys talk about here. If >members hadn't started writing/complaining to the admins about things >we would not have done anything. When people start bringing issues to >my attention that make perfect sense to me (e.g. keeping this Emagic- >related list focused loosely on music-related things only, but >nothing that will always eventually start big flame wars such as >politics) what can I do but reply to the constant barrage of >argumentative posts people have been writing? You could ignore them and simply refer everyone to the to-be outcome of the poll for example. But, as I said, you like a good debate as much as the next guy. I don't mind (to the contrary) -- but then don't go about offending "us argumentative types" as suffering from a disease, since you're not that different. Not at all. >If no one were to argue about this issue anymore I'd gladly wait for >the poll to conclude in silence.. I'll shut up. Fed up with all of this, and got better things to do than defend some right I think people have against moderators who think they know better, based on the opinion of a handful of complainers. I think it was Alexis who made a good point when he referred to some extremely boring discussions on the LUG: VST vs AU, etc, or the Mac vs PC debates being routed to the L-OT. Is any of those really on topic? A zillion VST/AU messages with extremely little informational contents? Or a PC/Mac debate -- is that L-OT stuff? Apparently it is, according to the powers in charge. No problem with that: as Dennis said, that's what you got a delete-key for. The problem is: where do you draw the border? At some arbitrary point, apparently. Because someone decides something is offensive. Or because someone decides something is not appropriate. Or because 3 or 4 members complain to the moderators. Or whatever. And it's this arbitrariness (?) that I protest against. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Tony Perretta wrote: >>>> My questioning now is...Is Orren Merton suited to be a moderator? >> >> Tony Perreta wrote: >>> My views align entirely with his - so maybe we should both resign. >> >> Perhaps, Tony...If that is how you feel. I can't argue a man, with a >> level head that just made sense in their dialogue. > Sorry? I was giving praise to your implied decision and congratulating you for being a bigger man to do so. > I have no interest in > moderating, and have never moderated, the L-OT. Great. I was never asked. How do you like that...LOL. I guess they think I am mess or something...LOL. Rightfully so...LOL, since most seem to think so. But get to know me, and you will find different. But, even if I was offered, I probably wouldn't...since I couldn't possibly devote the attention it deserved. I think that they chose people, then asked...was Dennis ever asked? eeeh...perish the thought...LOL. I would have to Runawaaaaaay, runawaaaaay. Actually, I think Dennis would make a great Admin for LUG, but not for L-OT...LOL. >> a) One does have to be pliable when positioned with authority. > huh? If a person takes on a responsibility, they have to be flexible and open to change. pli·a·ble   Pronunciation Key  (pl-bl) adj. 1. Easily bent or shaped. See Synonyms at malleable. 2. Receptive to change; adaptable: pliable attitudes. 3. Easily influenced, persuaded, or swayed; tractable. >> b) One should question themselves, if viably questioned by others. > Agreed. Well then...what I see Henrik in total frustration. Do you honestly think that it is okay to take a "well respected colleague of ours" and push him to his limits of frustration. When he is in fact posing the best support for the concept? Anybody with true objectivity reads what he is saying will say, "hey, he is making sense." Which I did insinuate in my last post to. >> This is why we have things like Internal Affairs, with regards to >> police...IA's position is very clear...To watch the watchers. Sorry >> to >> say it, so far, most of the Mod Squad seems to be set on regarding >> Admin's as being right and that is it. Case Closed. > > This is not the case - the moderators have all talked about this and > some of us > are unclear (I include myself) as to the rôle of the L-OT. Okay...Then why moderate what is unclear to you even? > Hence the poll. Hence > many of the msgs by moderators merely defending Jeremy's position as > list admin. I never questioned his position...in fact what you were originally responding to was me questioning Orren's Position with his own diatribe...LOL. Right? I made quite clear in the original that I thought Jeremy was being more level headed than Orren was...remember? >> I heard no admission of possibilities that indicate, that some of US >> may be right in our views. > > You can't have been reading all the emails then. Are you kidding me? ...Ack! Mostly yes...but really fixated on Henrik and Jeremy. But I can't read it all. But teddybut also stated some interesting things. But some I just can't read through, just cause it is pure babble and divides, rather than bring a conclusion that everyone is content with. > I have said that I have no > position as to what the L-OT should be. Though I do have a > philosophical > position with repsect to the freedom of speech arguments put forward > by others. > It might be that u did not realise I was an admin. You said to me...you agreed and stood by Orren's words...therefore by indicating that was your position. I know your an Admin, just as I know there is a Mr. Simpson, Orren Merton, YOU and Jeremy are Admins, though I don't really know the others. Again...you wrote, in view of Orren: My views align entirely with his - so maybe we should both resign. You aligned yourself with Orren. Which made you seem like you made your decision. >> None of the Admins here have said..."Hmmm, >> Henrik, I think you have made the best case". > > Maybe if we thought he had we would have said so. Well, that depends. Are you looking at it from a position of being an Admin or looking at it as "objectively" removed from being either? That right there is what being in an authoritative positions is about. That is what WE are questioning...are U looking at this objectively? What is good for the collective, not the one. >> Get my drift. So far >> two factions, in disagreement and yet no compromise is being made. > > Er ... Jeremy has agreed to let the poll dictate the nature of the > list. What > more compromise would u propose? Again, all I see is Henrik in total frustration. I voted, yet there seems to be no resolution. Because now there seems to be a debate over what type of moderation and how to justify it. In one way it can be viewed as threatening the service of moderation, for lenient moderation. "well do you want me to protect you from spammers, then you have to do it my way." So to speak, that was an implied view I perceived. Or the fact, seemingly the vote of the "Freedom 8" who oppose, don't outweigh the "Mod Squad 7". That and because the other 592 members don't cast a vote, that vote goes in favor of the Mod Squad 7. We can all dispute the electoral vote. >> So, >> now we are basically fighting over the very same thing we were >> moderated for debating. LOL. > > This isn't a fight Alexis. You are just misintepreting the admin's > position > despite it seeming to be clear to me. You're right...to strong a word "fight". So, let me rephrase that. So, now we are basically "debating" over the very same thing we were moderated for debating. LOL. >> Yet, let's face it...I think I have deleted at least "50" AU/VST >> diatribes over the past few days, coming in from the LUG. > > You and I both. Okay...so you see. Though AU/VST is not really all that On Topic, it is effectively On Topic to the LUG. Despite that it is in fact boorish attempt of debating paranoia, etc. >> But hey, it >> is On Topic right? > > I would say so tho sometimes one wonders. I have been wondering for days...LOL. Days. But I certainly see, that neither have any of the Admin's see it fit for moderating the topic of AU/VST. So, sometimes we effectively act on tolerance and use the delete key...despite what people think or do or say. >> Despite the fact that MOST of it is a long winded, >> misinformed crock of shit. LOL. Sorry, but true. L-OT to me is >> just >> an asylum for the lunatics on the LUG > > > Feel free to vote that way in the poll. I did. I went to the polls, and voted. >> ...yeah, me to...guilty as >> charged...LOL. I remember many of Mac vs. PC debate being diverted >> over here. Is really the Mac vs. PC debate even on topic to music >> making with L-OT? > > Yes. It is like debating the merits of microphones. Some like to use > expensive > Royer ribbon mics on guitar cabs and others super cheap SM57s (the > greatest mic > ever). Having said this I must admit to finding MAC or PC evangelists > for the > most part the worst thing on the LUG. I have no problem with informed > opinions > and comparisons. Yes...neither do I. But some of these so called "informed opinions" are not as informed as they should be. Just Misinformed Crocks of shit. So, you kind of go with flow, make attempts at corrections. etc, etc. But tolerance is the acceptable policy for that concept and so is the delete key. >> Think about it. Not really...sorry no. But I let >> it go...cause this is the asylum of where that can take place. > > I think the problem, as astutely highlighted by Jeremy, is that some > people > think the L-OT is one thing and others another. Is the L-OT here to > serve the > LUG or have unlimited scope? I guess a decision will be made one way > or the > other. Actually, the problem is that those who think it one way are correct, with the intent for how L-OT was applied in the past. Other's can think to be deemed correct, but the intent of L-OT was NOT built the way they think it was. The original intent was to apply an asylum for the lunatics. That has always been my view of the L-OT. Why do you think I am here? LOL. Look, I can sit here and say..."I am offended by all the Apple/Mac hatred". I could have made great arguments for separating the lists too. Put PC here and Mac over there. But it often really came down to one thing...The PC and Mac People COLLECTIVELY and OBJECTIVELY realized the benefits of learning from the more experienced users wether Mac or PC. Like Henrik, is again a great example. A Mac user, teaching PC users about MIDI. He effectively adds to both user groups. Yet, I personally don't like Howie Wooten, and in certain cases he is wrong. But I don't expect the Admin's to gag him, based on my one opinion of him. Because he still offers some basis of knowledge to other users. I could effectively tear apart Howie Wooten in front all the Admins. Show his Bias, his misinformation, and demure like tactics of posing and opening debate. But I don't. I got better things to do, than sit around finding ways to gag him. One thing is for me to dislike him, the other is to gag him from his view, which entails that one day I would have to endure the same thing...LOL. Get my drift. I am careful to what I vote for, because one day, I just might get it. > Alexis - hows about we just wait for the final outcome and abide by > it? I for > one don't care which way it goes. Well if you don't care "which way it goes", then why say anything at all. Again you wrote: >>> My views align entirely with his - so maybe we should both resign. Where are you...to me, it seems you're now wavering. Where as before you made your position quite clear. Now, you tell me one thing, then you tell me another. Hey, that is okay man, I am not trying to demean ya...but effectively, right now you're just unclear in your position. I think you originally set out to instinctually protect your buddy Orren. But some how, by saying "you don't care which way it goes" is implying to me: Then why say anything at all? Peace, Alexis

--- In logic-ot@y..., Alexis Aiosa <wirehead1@a...> wrote: > Tony Perretta wrote: > Henrik, is again a great example. > Peace, > Alexis Hey AA, are you secretly in love with Henrik? hahahaha I really think the admins should have just taken the ball in their able hands and made a DAW-OT list for the complainers and thus avoided all this debate over moderation. They didn't do that, so were stuck here voting on a one sided poll. If they want to be democratic about it and have a poll, at least they should include an option for keeping the OT-list how it is and moving the complainers. That way it would be a less one sided poll, seemingly favoring the complainers, who certainly also have a right to be accomodated. It makes more sense to me that way. Why have a list soley devoted to L-Politics when there are so many very off topic things being discussed here that the complainers are offended by? When the music theory, university choice or PC vs Mac wars come up, they can go where they have always gone without making a new list for EVERY topic not related to DAWs. Like I said: what's next a poll about a new L-OT-laundry detergent list? so do you guys and gals like Coke or Pepsi. teddybut

Hello Alexis Your thrust seems to be that you think my views and those of Orren cannot coexist. I find them wholly congruent but have no desire to reiterate them. I was trying to supply some clarity not provoke you - clearly I failed. You will find that Jeremy posted a number of msgs directly to the LUG regarding the recruitment of administrators. Furthermore I think this list is a dogmatic nightmare with limited potential. I was looking forward to insights regarding stuff deemed too OT for the LUG and am duly unsubscribing. Good luck to all Tony Perretta

> >what did you think of the rest of the movie? Is Michael Moore >>an alarmist or is there really something messed up about our > >media? > >teddybut > --- In logic-ot@y..., Colin Miller <snoopy@m...> wrote: > I have seen the movie before your posts asking me to. I don't >know why you would think I would think Micheal is an alarmist, just a question, not loaded with sarcasm. I'm glad you don't think he's an alarmist, there's hope for me in your world. > I follow most everything > he does and carry pretty much the same views always have. cool. >Heck, I have pointed that out time and time again, but still you >never seem to get that. I get that a lot on this list. :-) > > Colin ya, but then you intermix sarcasm with your posts about it and it's hard to decipher what you actually think. Maybe that's why you "get that a lot on this list". I get you now that you're not *trying* to be funny.. truce. teddybut

Hello! OK. heres an old one... 2 H drives one for apps and the other for audio. How should I set them up? Which one should be master and what IDE cha? regards Mikael Adle

Jeremy wrote: > > Honestly I don't care that much what you guys talk about here. If > members hadn't started writing/complaining to the admins about things > we would not have done anything. Well there is a lot that I could effectively complain about...really. But at certain point one has to say, this: "Are you going to stop the AU/VST discussion" or not? Cause I can complain, bitch and moan like an anal probe...but does my one complaint outweigh the majority? Does this mean you have to waver and compromise just for me? > When people start bringing issues to > my attention that make perfect sense to me (e.g. keeping this Emagic- > related list focused loosely on music-related things only, but > nothing that will always eventually start big flame wars such as > politics) Uhm...there was pretty much an ongoing debate...I didn't really see much in the way of insults...I saw a pretty healthy debate. But yes, it did get a little messy later on. > what can I do but reply to the constant barrage of > argumentative posts people have been writing? In my opinion any time > list members are offended enough to write to the admins or start > unsubscribing in disgust, something is wrong. Well Neo Nazi's and white supremist groups recently demonstrated in the streets of Washington. Does that mean that because I am offended I have to unsubscribe from the USA, in disgust? Should I just pack it up and move to Bali, and take my chances there? Or maybe, I will moved to France, at least there are plenty of places a person can SMOKE. Funny thing how people here in Los Angeles, bitch and moan about people even smoking outside on the outdoor portion of cafe. Yet don't realize the "Acceptable Emission Levels of Carbon Monoxide" coming from the cars driving by. Then after being offended by the Smoke...They get back into a Gas Guzzling SUV, and talk on the Cell phone while driving. Yet, the true question evades their mind...is the toxic pollution caused by 4 million smokers, 32 million vehicles pouring onto Los Angeles streets everyday? Some using MTBE treated Gasoline. Hey...I get offended when people drink alcohol to get drunk. Does that mean I should vote in favor of Prohibition, just cause I am offended by drunkards? Or do I just ignore those I don't like, and let those I do like have drink once in while? At least I have the option of picking the good apples, from the bad ones. Again...One thing is being politically correct, the other is being so politically correct it is overtly anal and not realizing ones own hypocrisy. For every gag order one calls to arms with, is eventually a gag order that comes back to haunt you. In other words...we can't protect everybody from debate or what is offensive. You have just tell them...sorry that is the rules of this list, you just have use the delete key. We apologize for the inconvenience. Peace, Alexis

--- In logic-ot@y..., "Mikael Adle" <mikaeladle@y...> wrote: > Hello! > > OK. heres an old one... > 2 H drives one for apps and the other for audio. How should I set > them up? Which one should be master and what IDE cha? > Anyone care to confirm? Audio drive = Primary master OS drive = Secondary master Or should it be vice/versa? regards Mikael Adle

--- In logic-ot@y..., "Mikael Adle" <mikaeladle@y...> wrote: > > Anyone care to confirm? > Audio drive = Primary master > OS drive = Secondary master > > Or should it be vice/versa? > > regards > Mikael Adle since i don't have a desktop computer and I don't know if you're on a Mac or Windows machine I can only speculate. Probably you're saying that there's 2 IDE busses in the computer, if that's so, check the speed of the busses in your manual and put the audio drive on the fast one. teddybut

--- In logic-ot@y..., "Mikael Adle" <mikaeladle@y...> wrote: > > Anyone care to confirm? > Audio drive = Primary master > OS drive = Secondary master > > Or should it be vice/versa? > > regards > Mikael Adle since i don't have a desktop computer and I don't know if you're on a Mac or Windows machine I can only speculate. Probably you're saying that there's 2 IDE busses in the computer, if that's so, check the speed of the busses in your manual and put the audio drive on the fast one. teddybut

--- In logic-ot@y..., "plaarg" <kumpkin@e...> wrote: > --- In logic-ot@y..., "Mikael Adle" <mikaeladle@y...> wrote: > > > > Anyone care to confirm? > > Audio drive = Primary master > > OS drive = Secondary master > > > > Or should it be vice/versa? > > > since i don't have a desktop computer and I don't know if you're > on a Mac or Windows machine I can only speculate. Probably > you're saying that there's 2 IDE busses in the computer, if that's > so, check the speed of the busses in your manual and put the > audio drive on the fast one. > > teddybut Aaa, my bad. I´m on win xp pro and it´s a desktop with 2 IDE busses. Mikael Adle

At 04:24 AM 10/28/02 +0000, you wrote: >--- In logic-ot@y..., "plaarg" <kumpkin@e...> wrote: >> --- In logic-ot@y..., "Mikael Adle" <mikaeladle@y...> wrote: >> > >> > Anyone care to confirm? >> > Audio drive = Primary master >> > OS drive = Secondary master >Aaa, my bad. I´m on win xp pro and it´s a desktop with 2 IDE busses. Standard setup on a PC these days: system = primary master Audio = secondary master Older versions of MS operating systems would only boot from the primary master I believe but XP may be more flexible. At one time putting non-DMA CD drives on the same channel as a DMA hard-drive could slow down the drive but these days everything is DMA and mixing CD drives and hard-drives on the same channel is no problem. Regards, Murray

--- In logic-ot@y..., Murray McDowall <murraymc@m...> wrote: > Standard setup on a PC these days: > system = primary master > Audio = secondary master > > Older versions of MS operating systems would only boot from the primary > master I believe but XP may be more flexible. At one time putting non-DMA > CD drives on the same channel as a DMA hard-drive could slow down the drive > but these days everything is DMA and mixing CD drives and hard- drives on > the same channel is no problem. > > Regards, > Murray Thanks Murray regards Mikael Adle

At 06:18 PM 10/26/2002, Paul Wheeler&Kerry Higgs writes > five questions for jeremy . > How did you get to be moderator on this list ? I volunteered. > Do you get paid for being a moderator ? No. > To whom are you responsible in an official sense ? Myself. > Why are you being so friggin boring ? its like the alphabetical > equivalent of an earnest but artistically empty funereal dirge ! "How things look on the outside of us depends on how things are on the inside of us." > To whom do we compain about the actions of the moderator ? <group name>-owner@yahoogroups.com sends your message to all the moderators of a given list. Since these lists are free, unofficial lists we have no superiors. Best wishes, Jeremy Martin; sadus@... http://www.carrollsweb.com/sadus <-- music links, PC DAW parts list

Thoughts from the mind of Jeremy Martin, 26-10-2002: > >I was just joking, but still, some people don't seem to be able to > >give this a rest and just wait for the poll to conclude. Hendrik writes > On the one hand you say this group is not a democracy but an > oligarchy. Yet you use a democratic mechanism to determine > list-policy. Yes, exactly. The oligarchy decided, in this particular case, to use a poll to decide this issue, since the members were split so evenly on it. > And at the same time this same democratic mechanism is > bound to fail, for reasons explained earlier. Puzzling. That "fact" is endlessly debatable... > Maybe some people have given arguments as to why a poll > is bound to be inconclusive or why the validity of the > outcome might still be debatable. Please see my previous two sentences. > ... since you're not that different. Not at all. When did I say I was? I just prefer to do my debating (and talking about politics) on lists I'm not an admin of. I guess I'm odd, but actually I prefer to do that sort of thing privately, where I think it belongs. > I think it was Alexis who made a good point when he referred > to some extremely boring discussions on the LUG: VST vs AU, > etc, or the Mac vs PC debates being routed to the L-OT. Is > any of those really on topic? A zillion VST/AU messages with > extremely little informational contents? Now that Emagic is owned by Apple, it makes sense to let people ask their questions here about the new plugin format that Emagic is promoting. If you check the archives, it looks like the whole Mac vs PC thread (actually entitled Cubase SX Crossgrade question) was started by an innocent question, posted here by Paul Stephenson by his own free will. We have never redirected OS wars to this list as far as I know. Paul Stephenson > The problem is: where do you draw the border? At some arbitrary > point, apparently. Because someone decides something is offensive. > Or because someone decides something is not appropriate. Or > because 3 or 4 members complain to the moderators. Or whatever. > And it's this arbitrariness (?) that I protest against. Of course we have to have use an arbitrary point. If we had no rules at all, "as this list approaches infinity" a never ending flamewar is bound to happen, eventually. I don't think you want us to not use an arbitrary point - I think you'd rather we just used your own (arguably less) arbitrary point, instead of ours. Best wishes, Jeremy Martin; sadus@... http://www.carrollsweb.com/sadus <-- music links, PC DAW parts list

The following logic-ot poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Should the Logic-OT list only focus on issues that relate to music in some way, or can any subject at all be discussed here (politics, religion, food, etc)? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Keep the Logic-OT list related to music, and create a separate list for Logic-users to hold general discussions not related to music at all., 11 votes, 42.31% - Let the Logic-OT list talk about whatever it wants, and do not create any additional lists., 15 votes, 57.69% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/logic-ot For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

Sorry , I didn't read this one closely other than to put it on the list of things to catch up with some time . Is it right that it is a documentary [?] and it starts with a bank that gives out shotguns to new customers ... oh come on ..surely not . Glad to hear they got the sniper ,that was frightening shit for you Washington guys . I'm thinking of getting into the 21st century and getting a dvd player . The problem is the formats . Is DVD A going to be common ,as I understand it only Warners are releasing in that format ,will it spread , and what about super audio cd's . I dont want to end up with a sony beta like machine where everything I want to seehear is in another format . Wasn't region coding a good idea !!! Paul