On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 03:33 PM,   wrote: > ?? I'm not going anywhere. This archive is just in case the Yahoo > Groups servers all simultaneously explode, or for anyone that wants > to do off-line searching through all the messages then perhaps you wouldn't mind making it available in a format that wasn't so pc specific.

At 02:51 PM 9/19/2002, you wrote: >On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 03:33 PM, wrote: > > > ?? I'm not going anywhere. This archive is just in case the Yahoo > > Groups servers all simultaneously explode, or for anyone that wants > > to do off-line searching through all the messages > >then perhaps you wouldn't mind making it available in a format that >wasn't so pc specific. StuffIt can extract .tar.gz files, can't it? I'm using that format because a) the emails are "harvested" on a Linux computer, and that's the native archive format.. it's not a Windows-specific format. Since OS X is UNIX based just like Linux, it wouldn't surprise me if it came with the tools needed to uncompress the file. And b) the compression it provides is better than any other program. It doesn't matter so much for smaller lists like Logic-OT, but the Logic-users archive with 119,000 messages is *huge*, and no other program can compress 297 megabytes down to 43. I tried with WinRAR (which is the best compression program I've found in Windows) and it only compressed it down to 55 or 60 megabytes if I remember correctly. All the best, Jeremy Martin; sadus@... http://www.carrollsweb.com/sadus

> > ?? I'm not going anywhere. This archive is just in case the Yahoo > > Groups servers all simultaneously explode, or for anyone that wants > > to do off-line searching through all the messages > > then perhaps you wouldn't mind making it available in a format > that wasn't so pc specific. StuffIt can extract .tar.gz files, can't it? I'm using that format because a) the emails are "harvested" on a Linux computer, and that's the native archive format.. Also, both Windows and Macs are PCs (personal computers), so posting it in a non-pc-specific format would make the archive useless for everyone. Finally, since OS X is partly UNIX like, just like Linux is, it wouldn't surprise me at all if OS X came with a built in tool to uncompress this type of file. b) the compression it provides is better than any other program. It doesn't matter so much for smaller lists like Logic-OT, but the Logic-users archive with 119,000 messages is *huge*, and no other program can compress 297 megabytes down to 43. I tried with WinRAR (which is the best compression program I've found in Windows) and it only compressed it down to 55 or 60 megabytes if I remember correctly. All the best, Jeremy Martin; sadus@... http://www.carrollsweb.com/sadus

On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 06:18 PM, Jeremy Martin wrote: > StuffIt can extract .tar.gz files, can't it? I stand corrected - it can do this. > > I'm using that format because > > a) the emails are "harvested" on a Linux computer, and that's the > native archive format.. Also, both Windows and Macs are PCs (personal > computers), so posting it in a non-pc-specific format would make the > archive useless for everyone. Finally, since OS X is partly UNIX like, > just like Linux is, it wouldn't surprise me at all if OS X came with a > built in tool to uncompress this type of file. > > b) the compression it provides is better than any other program. It > doesn't matter so much for smaller lists like Logic-OT, but the > Logic-users archive with 119,000 messages is *huge*, and no other > program can compress 297 megabytes down to 43. I tried with WinRAR > (which is the best compression program I've found in Windows) and it > only compressed it down to 55 or 60 megabytes if I remember correctly. All very true - my apologies. I misread "rar" for "tar" when I made my previous post.

Ah yes, I did move the folder with 5 once, after installation. Maybe that is causing it. Thanks HJ, I see why they pay you the big eurobucks to give advice! ;-) >Haven't tried myself yet, but: did you happen to rename the Logic app >or folder? With previous updates that created the same problem... >You might want to try to reinstall LA5.0 in a new folder and then >perform the update. Then drag the 5.3 app into the old LA folder. >

>All very true - my apologies. I misread "rar" for "tar" when I made my >previous post. MacRAR solves that little problem. macrar.free.fr/

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 03:38 AM, Murray McDowall wrote: > MacRAR solves that little problem. Used to use that - but it seems stuck at ver 2.5 something - I believe it is no longer supported. In any case it had trouble running under os later than 9.0 and does not at all understand the newer rar format (since ver 3) which abandoned the .r01 .r02.....s.xx etc file extension format. Stuffit also does not understand the current rar format. There is a simple unRAR utility that runs under osx but I have not tried it. Too bad, rar is a very useful compression scheme, great for mulitmedia. Hope someone ports a full implementation to osx before long.

At 11:27 AM 9/20/02 -0400, you wrote: >> MacRAR solves that little problem. > >Used to use that - but it seems stuck at ver 2.5 something - I believe >it is no longer supported. That's bad news. Someone else might step into the breech with updated Mac support perhaps . >In any case it had trouble running under os later than 9.0 and does not >at all understand the newer rar format (since ver 3) which abandoned >the .r01 .r02.....s.xx etc file extension format. I still use 2.9 >Too bad, rar is a very useful compression scheme, great for mulitmedia. >Hope someone ports a full implementation to osx before long. Yes the compression achieved by WinRAR is usually impressive although there are more efficient algorithms for audio files. Regards, Murray

On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 06:13 AM, Murray McDowall wrote: > Yes the compression achieved by WinRAR is usually impressive although > there > are more efficient algorithms for audio files. I think rar was efficient enough that emagic had no great reason to continue with Zap. as an experiment I tried compressing audio files with both - and there was little difference between the two.

> Alex wrote: <----No it is Alexis, not Alex. >>> 1. I don't want all my eggs in one basket -- especially one under the >>> control of Apple. >> >> Control...LOL..Pahleessse!!! >> >> No, my friend... >> >> The early bird may get the worm...But the second mouse got the cheese. > murr wrote: > But that was only because the cat was away! No, the cat was there, SUNNing, himself when the dilemma that transpired. > And modern medications can eliminate bird worms. The bird that hunts worms...not the bird that gets worms...LOL. > Please research your anthropomorphisms more thoroughly in future. Please research more throughly...LOL...You should think before attempting this rather benign insult. The meaning is, the Early bird gets the worm. Bird wakes up early, sees worm and swoops down to eat it. Unless it is Charlie Byrd, then of course, he was to stoned to care. However, the way I put it does make sense...if you "think different" about it...LOL. So, "The Early bird MAY get the worm". But, in this case, you were the first mouse, ya went for the cheese, SNAP, the trap went down on your head, now your squirming about...Now the second mouse walks by and gets the cheese. I am sorry this happened to you and others...I know it is a bummer and I can relate. I have been an avid mac user since the '80's. Try being a Mac user for 18 years. If anything, you will find more allies in the Mac world that can relate to this. And yes, I do use PC's. So I am well aware of the PC market. Yet Apple did make some of their software as a port to Windows. But, no one gave a crap. No one cared for the attempts that Apple has made in the past at creating Windows product. Do you remember Claris? Eventually, Apple let them go as a separate entity. [Okay Claris, time to swim on your own.] And though quicktime is supported for windows, still a lot of Windows users use Windows media player. Kind of hard to compete with a behemoth like MS. Especially when everything you do, is counter acted by MS in other ways. > Emagic claims Apple forced them to discontinue Windows development. Yeah, yeah, yeah...And Dan Quail is member of MENSA. LOL. Look, Apple's "control" over Emagic is way more lenient than one thinks. Think just with objectivity and NOT with your subjective emotions with regards to your personal dilemma of losing Logic to the Mac. It could have been far worse when one considers these type of business deals. As far as I am concerned, Emagic should be really pleased and grateful that Apple has kept the company relatively in tact. Most other companies would have sliced through Emagic with a chain saw. Brutally, taking the company apart piece by piece till there was nothing left.. Basically, like a bunch of Huns raping and pillaging a small village. Which, btw, MS has done in the past with most of their acquisitions. But Apple's acquisition of Emagic was probably far more lenient, than other offers that came down the pipe. That's why Apple got the cheese. If this hadn't happened. Right about now...Mike and Marcus would probably both be working at Steinberg, NI or maybe they'd join the forces of the Propellerheads team. Or they both would just be looking for jobs in a limp economy. Most of the talent at Emagic would all be spread out thinly, among other companies or looking for jobs, and yet all their past developments would be held, by copyright LAWS, as concepts that they could not use in other software developments. Try imagining that...All their creations sucked up into oblivion and no longer available to them, cause they are prohibited to use them. The Chuck Berry's of the software industries. And Dr. G. Lengling would go back to being a professor at the local University, and chase college skirts around. Yet, be eating top ramen for lunch everyday. No, MS is by FAR more "controlling" than any other company you can think of related to this industry. Look into it...you will find a history of very "Controlling" and "Deliberate" tactics to phase out competition. Not to mention other tactful practices. If you think Apple's marketing of "switching" is bad...huh, look at MS marketing. In fact MS's marketing is better, especially when one compares MS's rather large list of shortcomings. No, MS has the market and has positioned themselves so well, that 90% of the world uses Windows. 90%! Now that's marketing...LOL. Yet, PC users don't really choose their OS, just LIKE Mac users don't choose theirs. Think about it... Both you and I, a PC and a Mac user, we both can choose to install Linux right now. But both of us will just be twiddling our thumbs, till the cows come home. Yet, the cows will come home sooner...LOL. If anyones is to blame for no Linux software, it would have to be MS marketing, business deals and tactics. When have you ever gone to Fry's [or where ever one goes] and seen Linux running on a PC? When? Yeah, you can purchase Linux, in a box, tucked away in corner. But you won't see it running on any of the machines. Or you may find Linux running on some machines in small PC shop, which basically runs its ship below the radars of MS. No, you can't blame Apple, cause Apple at least Embraced the Penguin. Apple didn't Fear the Penguin, MS did. If anything, MS assassins secretly attempted to kill the Penguin. But luckily just strafed his fin, because Apple security was on alert and secured the penguin from the flying bullet. [Now, why would anybody try to be so cruel as to kill that cute little Penguin...cute little penguin flopping its fins around...hurting nobody, just trying to help with open fins. I just wanna hug it...and hug the penguin, I did.] Yet also, to think one would want to block out the SUNN...really. I guess you one doesn't respect the shinning rays of the SUNN when one lives in Seattle. LOL. Yet a company you could be pissed at is Gibson. Because they've been just squatting on top of Opcode and won't sell the company or its technology. Apple made an offer...and Gibson just didn't want to let it go. Why? It's absurd. Gibson does nothing with the company, and the concept is now literally dead technology. That right there forced a lot of SVpro users to switch software. [See, the Mac users knows this game...especially if they were an SVpro user of lore.] Yet, if Apple were successful at buying Opcode. Then today, the "Final Cut Pro" of music making would be SVPro. [Which means, I might have switched to SVpro...yet another possible reason why Emagic should be grateful...imagine losing a slew of Mac Users to SVPro, if Apple made that into a viable product]. But then, WHO would have bought Emagic, during this recent dilemma, if Apple successfully pulled SVpro out of the trenches? So, quite possibly, we would ALL just be sitting on nothing but a bunch of boxes filled with dead software and hardware, from a company the went "Kaplewy". No Apple is doing good by Emagic...Probably better than than we anticipated, despite this Windows overture. And if things don't pan out for you in the Cubase world or where ever you end up. At least you still have choice to go back to old faithful, by way of getting a Mac. Yet, I thought point of buying logic was because it was best. And since our music is more important. Than we make sacrifice for the music. So, using this old LUG rhetoric, it shouldn't matter what we use...right? Or is this just a bunch of baloney that people make up to keep the peace. Yet, it is funny how Steinberg is being viewed as some sort of savior for PC/Logic users...when clearly most PC/Logic users have been purposely avoiding Cubase for years. Doh!!! Barrrrrt! As far VST is concerned...it is not completely out of the realm of possibility that VST could be replaced by something else. Really. Some jacked up Cyber Freak could feasibly come out with some Steroid pumped code that takes VST out of the running. In a snap of the fingers, we would all be using it. Despite AU or VST, Mac or PC...we would all be using it. Because adapting is part of the process of staying alive. Peace, and really...good luck with all that. Alexis

So what happened to you properly quoting... Wirehead1 or shmuckhead1 Wrote: <-----my name goes here...right? >> Control...LOL..Pahleessse!!! >> >> No, my friend... >> >> The early bird may get the worm...But the second mouse got the cheese. Howard Wooten wrote: <---this better > As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. Aaahhh, yes...Howie the Omniscient, the all knowing and awe consuming wealth of knowledge. We have all really learned so much from you...oh, mighty god that you are. We shall forever build alters in your name...oh great one. Forgive us for being able to use Logic on our macs. We live in sin. Please don't strike us down with your mighty blast of Windows capable Cubase code. Howard Wooten wrote: <---I'll put it here to. > And.... you have the quotes wrong as well. The quotes above are from > three > different people, myself, Dennis and Murray, (in that order). Excuse please oh master of LUG. Howard Wooten wrote: <---And put it here to, so we don't confuse it to much. > Please try and be accurate. Oh, well, since you asked nicely, next time I will. But too late for the last one. And since I am a sinner, I won't apologize. Yah, yah...I know what going to say...fairly predictable. I will sleep through that one. Alexis

What mp3 encoders do people like? I prefer to work on the Mac, I have checked out: Audion (really fast encoding) n2mp3 (nice to use, good control over encoding) Is one of these the best out there? Would I be better off using something on the PC? Thanks, smeet

Alexis Aiosa wrote: >Aaahhh, yes...Howie the Omniscient, the all knowing and awe consuming >wealth of knowledge. We have all really learned so much from you...oh, >mighty god that you are. We shall forever build alters in your >name...oh great one. Forgive us for being able to use Logic on our >macs. We live in sin. Please don't strike us down with your mighty >blast of Windows capable Cubase code. How old are you?

>As far as I am concerned, Emagic should be really >pleased and grateful that Apple has kept the company relatively in >tact. Completely intact. >Yet a company you could be pissed at is Gibson. Because they've been >just squatting on top of Opcode and won't sell the company or its >technology. Apple made an offer...and Gibson just didn't want to let >it go. Why? It's absurd. Gibson does nothing with the company, and >the concept is now literally dead technology. This is true. In many ways Vision was the nicest sequencer ever. I can't understand Gibson at all. I have long had friends who work for them and no one can figure out what the fuck they are doing. Not just Opcode but Oberheim and a bunch of others.

Alex wrote: >> Alex wrote: <----No it is Alexis, not Alex. >>>> 1. I don't want all my eggs in one basket -- especially one under the >>>> control of Apple. >>> >>> Control...LOL..Pahleessse!!! >>> >>> No, my friend... >>> >>> The early bird may get the worm...But the second mouse got the cheese. >> > >murr wrote: > >> But that was only because the cat was away! > >No, the cat was there, SUNNing, himself when the dilemma that >transpired. > >> And modern medications can eliminate bird worms. > >The bird that hunts worms...not the bird that gets worms...LOL. > >> Please research your anthropomorphisms more thoroughly in future. > >Please research more throughly...LOL...You should think before >attempting this rather benign insult. The meaning is, the Early bird >gets the worm. Bird wakes up early, sees worm and swoops down to eat >it. Unless it is Charlie Byrd, then of course, he was to stoned to >care. LOL -- Murr that takes me back. When I was a very young child I lived in the USA and my neighbours abbreviated my name to Murr and pronounced it as in gold, frankincense and myrrh ... I'm sure you get the picture. Alex -- this has been lots of laughs -- I will always know who to come to when I want to trade non-sequiturs. Regards, Murray (rhymes with hurry and worry)

mercutio@... wrote: >Murray McDowall wrote: >> Yes the compression achieved by WinRAR is usually impressive although >> there >> are more efficient algorithms for audio files. > >I think rar was efficient enough that emagic had no great reason to >continue with Zap. > >as an experiment I tried compressing audio files with both - and there >was little difference between the two. I once used Shorten to decompress some archives of piano samples. The compression ratios were quite spectacular. It is worth bearing in mind that piano samples with long decays would be highly compressible because the last half or more of the sample has quite low amplitude. Shorten is free for personal use but is not available on the Mac. Here's a link to Shorten and there is some discussion on the site of the relevant issues. http://www.softsound.com/Shorten.html Just checking on the web site it seems possible that the lossy mode had been used because the compression ratios were large (in lossy mode Shorten can achieve 3:1 to 5:1 and about 2:1 in Lossless mode. Regards, Murray

Oops -the discussion on lossless compression I was reading was on another site -- Robin Whittle an Australian audio whiz (who did the mods on my old Atari) runs the site below -- http://www.firstpr.com.au/audiocomp/lossless/ Regards, Murray

> Alexis Aiosa wrote: >> Aaahhh, yes...Howie the Omniscient, the all knowing and awe consuming >> wealth of knowledge. We have all really learned so much from >> you...oh, >> mighty god that you are. We shall forever build alters in your >> name...oh great one. Forgive us for being able to use Logic on our >> macs. We live in sin. Please don't strike us down with your mighty >> blast of Windows capable Cubase code. > Dennis wrote: > How old are you? You know Dennis, I have often asked my self the same question. All I can say at this moment is, some people just bring out the best in me...LOL. Peace, Alexis

I have found the LAME encoder to be the best-sounding encoder. There are a ton of apps that use this encoder, I use WinLame for Windows; a quick search turned up DropMP3 for the Mac at: http://philippe.laval.free.fr/DropMP3/US/index.html I can't vouch for this particular app, but I can vouch for LAME. --- Plate of shrimp On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:42:31 Sumit Das wrote: >What mp3 encoders do people like? > >I prefer to work on the Mac, I have checked out: > Audion (really fast encoding) > n2mp3 (nice to use, good control over encoding) > >Is one of these the best out there? Would I be better off >using something on the PC? > >Thanks, smeet > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com

Frankinscense and murr scribed in the book of tombs: > LOL -- Murr that takes me back. > > When I was a very young child I lived in the USA and my neighbours > abbreviated my name to Murr and pronounced it as in gold, frankincense > and > myrrh ... I'm sure you get the picture. > > Alex -- this has been lots of laughs -- I will always know who to come > to > when I want to trade non-sequiturs. Great, I just didn't want you to get the impression that I am out for some blood thirsty war here. So I tried to use a bit of humor to lighten my opinion on the subject. But I do understand your pain. Been there and done that. It sucks. > (rhymes with hurry and worry) Peace, Alexis

Dennis quotes me: >> As far as I am concerned, Emagic should be really >> pleased and grateful that Apple has kept the company relatively in >> tact. > > Completely intact. Well, I used the word "relatively" intact, because of the Windows thing. I felt that was a bit of shave off the company. But yes, still Completely intact. >> Yet a company you could be pissed at is Gibson. Because they've been >> just squatting on top of Opcode and won't sell the company or its >> technology. Apple made an offer...and Gibson just didn't want to let >> it go. Why? It's absurd. Gibson does nothing with the company, and >> the concept is now literally dead technology. > > This is true. In many ways Vision was the nicest sequencer ever. I > can't understand Gibson at all. I have long had friends who work for > them and no one can figure out what the fuck they are doing. Not > just Opcode but Oberheim and a bunch of others. Gib·son   Pronunciation Key  (gib'sen) n. [From the name Gibson.] 1. A dry martini garnished with a small pickled onion. 2. [Slang] n. A slang used by musician's to describe a village idiot. [ie: don't be a gibson.] also: 3. [Slang] v. Yet another slang used by musician's in reference to eating a bran muffin, followed by drinking a rather large large cup of coffee. To which the after effect of these two consumable items, leave a resounding, unpleasant vapor on the tour bus. [ie: The guitar player would say to a drummer. "Hey, don't pull a gibson in there."]. See also: Colon blow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gibson ruined it for me. Peace, Alexis

Dear Luggies, As you might have noticed, some things have changed in the last couple of weeks. First of all, some new admins have joined the LUG admin team. The new admins are: Corey Burgett (cburgett@...) Michael Oliphant (bogusdogus@...) Tony Perretta (bambony@...) Danny Simpson (simpsond@...) These guys have already done a great job behind the scenes for several weeks now. Welcome to the team!! Of course the other admins are still helping out as well: Jeremy Martin (sadus@...) Orren Merton (orrenm@...) Dave Peverley (no_such_user@...) Joeri Vankeirsbilck (joeri@...) Second, I have stepped back as the "main admin" of this group, as well as the other Emagic-related groups. Jeremy Martin has been so kind to become the main coordinator of all admin activities. You can contact him directly about any LUG related issues, or you can always email logic-users-owner@yahoogroups.com and all moderators will get a copy of your message. I will remain subscribed to the group, but I have set my account to "no email". I will also try to help out the admin team when I can, but unfortunately I have very little time these days which means I can't do much. Eventually I will end my list administration tasks completely. My reasons for stepping back, are the following: * Emagic's decision to abandon the Windows platform. I'm forced to switch to Cubase SX in the long run. I have already ended my beta test account with Emagic and I have picked up the SX crossgrade. I will also buy the NI Kontakt crossgrade soon to replace EXS24. * Changes in my personal life: since some weeks, I've changed jobs. I've become the product manager and (co-)A&R of Antler-Subway, which is EMI Recorded Music's successful Belgian dance label. (feel free to send me your demos ;-). This means I have very little time for list administration tasks, especially as I will continue to produce music during weekends and as I will soon start some further studies as well. I want to thank all the subscribers for the nice emails, the interesting discussions and the huge amount of information that you've shared. I also want to use this opportunity to thank the entire admin team for their great work!! I'm glad to know that the list is in good hands!! People who want to remain in touch with me, can always contact me privately: joeri@... (it's my domain name, so this will always be my private email) or at work: joeri.vankeirsbilck@... Cheers, Joeri Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@...

> If replying, please do so to the OT-list (logic-ot@yahoogroups.com). > >> I realize some of these are just temporary and as I said all credit to >> Emagic for being first but I want to use it full time NOW. From da wisdom of Henrik: > I don't know if it's me, or the fact that it's Sunday or whatever, > but this recurring attitude of people who want 1) to be on the > bleeding edge of technology and at the same time 2) state that "using > logic audio in a professional environment requires having all the > tools available" starts to really annoy me (to put it mildly). <SNIPPED out all relevant material, but me thinks people got the point> So, well said. Wot are dees people tinking??? Oh, wait, this is Logic User Group...I have to constantly remind myself of this. This list has a tendency to remind me of the first scene in a movie called "2001: A Space Odyssey". One of us will eventually pick up the bone and use it as either as tool or as weapon. LOL Peace, Alexis

damn...I knew something was up, when I had not seen a Joeri post in quite a long time. What a bummer...what an absolutely depressing optimism I am left with. Joeri, your abandoning us. On top of that you leaving us in the hands of these people. ;-) > Corey Burgett (cburgett@...) > Michael Oliphant (bogusdogus@...) > Tony Perretta (bambony@...) > Danny Simpson (simpsond@...) > > These guys have already done a great job behind the scenes > for several weeks now. Welcome to the team!! > > Of course the other admins are still helping out as well: > > Jeremy Martin (sadus@...) > Orren Merton (orrenm@...) <---especially this guy, he's > dangerous. > Dave Peverley (no_such_user@...) > Joeri Vankeirsbilck (joeri@...) Geez...will ya look at that list...it's the mother's of prevention all over again. Well they can't all be bad, at least one of them is a Simpson. Doh! No really, Joeri, you will be sorely missed. :-( Just don't say the words Sex Pistols or Johnny Rotten at board meetings and you will do fine at EMI. Peace, and good luck with all dat, Alexis

Wish you all the best, Joeri! Thanks for the kickass job during the last years! Cheers, Sascha