Dennis Gunn wrote: >>I guess a lot of this depends on when Yamaha's Windows mLAN driver >>appears, on what features 5.3 has, and on how well 5.3 utilises the >>mLAN remote configuration features (if it does). >>If 5.3 implements some sort of remote control and autofarm features, >>but doesn't do them particularly well, I suppose they could get away >>with a further minor release to tidy things up a few months later, >>call it 5.3.1, and by calling it a maintenance release for features >>added on 5.3.0, they wouldn't be going against the position stated in >>the July 1st press release. >> >> >>Maybe all of this will take shape in the next ~four weeks, or maybe >>none of it will. > >It won't. But I will tell you I want to see network processing >happen very much too BUT there are other tricks in the book that are >not being exploited and there may be some nice surprises from another >direction soon. Yeah -- I saw a post from a guy claiming some inside knowledge on KVR -- he was saying that another big player is poised to enter the sequencing market. I was wondering who -- Native Instruments crossed my mind as a possibility but with the relaunch of Opcode hardware in recent days I thought it might even be Opcode returning from the dead. Stranger things ... Regards, Murray

>I don't understand why people were so loyal to Om >Supreme Truth either or why Charles Manson's followers were prepared to >kill for him. Perhaps people realise when they have reached the limit of >their technical competence. 50 million followers of Manson-like Steve Jobs spread all over the world? Hmm quite a large cult don't you think. Trying to imagine your comments are serious for a moment, I think the situation is like BMW drivers loving their cars - a concept that the KIA, Isuzu, and Daewood drivers think is silly. "Why pay $80,000 for a car? I can buy a new Daewoo for $13,999." Isn't that your thinking Murray? >BTW, the G4 is probably the worst computer built More generally .... Why don't we follow Splattercells (slightly crusty) advice and not engage in these childish discussions. If people are interested in having a genuine discussion with an open mind, then fine, we can all learn. But if are just bitter because of Emagic's new policy, and have plenty of misperceptions about Macs, please don't just insult and attack for sport. I use PCs at work all the time, and still consider them to be 2nd rate in ease of use, or maybe 3rd rate - although I have to admit they seem to work a little snappier. I'm also unhappy about a number of things Apple does. I'm not happy with OS X, and the expense of buying new software for it, and having some of my old stuff not work anymore. If there were a better alternative to Macs, I would consider it. A Billy Box (Windows) is not the answer for me - and falling victim to the worst industrial monopolist of our time is not a welcoming thought either.

>But ... guess what graphics hardware Apple decided to build into the >G4 range? ><grin> >Yep, it's ATI again! Apple uses the ATI card only for the lowest end G4. All the rest use NVIDIA GeForce4 MX (I think for about two years now?). ATI is still making boards for Mac (and PC), and recently introduced the 8500 high end graphics board.I hope that doesn't wipe the >grin< off your face. Now, I'll be the first to be suspicious of company created propoganda, but Apple claims this on their website : Awesome Power We’ve taken the fastest PowerPC G4 processor ever created — and then doubled it — to introduce the phenomenal new dual 1-GHz PowerMac G4. Add Velocity Engine vector processing technology, an ultraefficient system architecture, and it’s no wonder that it outperforms even the fastest Pentium-based systems. If you download thier detailed spec sheet (via PDF file), they claim that the Dual 1 Gig Powermac G4 ("the worst computer ever made" according to some here)... is 72% faster than a Dell Dimension 8200 running a 2 GHz Pentium 4. Even the lowly 800 Mhz G4 Powermac is 26% faster than the 2 Gig Dell. Of course Photoshop is not time sensitive as audio is, but I have had Photoshop load my system much more than audio - its a non-trivial comparison. They further claim that Dual G4 is 300% faster than a Sony VAIO 590G running a 2 GIG Pentium 4 (and the 733MHz G4 is 84% faster) at DVD video encoding. However, I think this is partly a gimmick, since Apple has worked hard to make DVD conversion very efficient. Are they guilty of misleading advertising? There are laws against that. Do you PC-lovers think is total nonsense? If so, inform the Justice department of the United States so they can clamp down on these falsehoods.

>> Apple might still have the option of >>changing their mind about dropping Windows support (although each day >>that passes makes this more difficult). Has somone mentioned the Shake software yet? This is high end video software used in movies - Apple did the same thing - bought the company and killed the windows support. Apple is playing hardball and evidently has a plan to restore the Mac to the professional's choice for music and video. A few bitter Window's users moving to Steinberg is the least of their concerns. I have a feeling that our friends Murray, Eric, and Adam are not inclined toward giving the mac a fair shot anyway, so what does Apple have to lose. Even now, in Sound on Sound or Future Music (which seem to favor PCs), in response to a queestion about which platform to use, they said that in most pro studios, its Mac. So I think Apple is hoping the word gets around and people start buying more macs - just like they buy U87's, Marshalls, etc - they're the standard.

Hey guys, Really, believe me, not only is mine bigger than yours -- mine is even The Biggest. A true and proven fact, time and time again. Everyone knows... And now let's all start pretending we're adults again, shall we? happy summer or winter, depending on your hemisphere, HJ, whose hemisphere really *is* bigger... -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Hendrik writes: >Really, believe me, not only is mine bigger than yours -- mine is >even The Biggest. You didn't even include a link. >And now let's all start pretending we're adults again, shall we? Again?

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Hendrik Jan Veenstra [mailto:h@...] > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:56 PM > To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [L-OT] nice future! > > > Hey guys, > > Really, believe me, not only is mine bigger than yours -- mine is > even The Biggest. A true and proven fact, time and time again. > Everyone knows... > > And now let's all start pretending we're adults again, shall we? > > > happy summer or winter, depending on your hemisphere, > HJ, whose hemisphere really *is* bigger... > I've the feeling, you guys love to distress each other - a funny definition of 'pleasure'. Have you actually noticed, that the amount of these mails swelled on Sunday?!? Go out and have some fun, the sun is shining (at least here in Western-Europe)! :) Tim, much too relaxed for fighting ..aaah, now a beer in the sun ;o) __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Möchten Sie mit einem Gruß antworten? http://grusskarten.yahoo.de

Thoughts from the mind of Dennis Gunn, 29-07-2002: > >Really, believe me, not only is mine bigger than yours -- mine is >>even The Biggest. > >You didn't even include a link. Sorry, but even the link is so big that it would exceed your mailbox's size-limit... :) > >And now let's all start pretending we're adults again, shall we? > >Again? I know, I know, it's boring, and life sucks, but hey... since mine is bigger anyway, what else can you do? -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Thoughts from the mind of Klangwerke, 29-07-2002: > > From: Hendrik Jan Veenstra [mailto:h@...] > > And now let's all start pretending we're adults again, shall we? >> > > happy summer or winter, depending on your hemisphere, >> HJ, whose hemisphere really *is* bigger... >> >I've the feeling, you guys love to distress each other - a funny definition >of 'pleasure'. It's a testimony to the greatness of the human mind that we're able to stack response upon response, reaching ever higher levels of "meta-ness" in our messages, and can still feel that it's all really _about_ something... >Have you actually noticed, that the amount of these mails swelled on >Sunday?!? Go out and have some fun, the sun is shining (at least here in >Western-Europe)! :) Sun? Yuck, sun and going-out is for suckers without computers... tadiii,tadom, HJ -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Dennis !!!!! That is sooo funny, ROLLLFFFFFF > Hendrik writes: > >> Really, believe me, not only is mine bigger than yours -- mine is >> even The Biggest. > > You didn't even include a link. > >> And now let's all start pretending we're adults again, shall we? > > Again?

hi...rookie qustion again:) macg4/motu 828/ dbx finalizer so i first open the motu panel and make the spdif active but when i searsh in audio config... in logic i cant find any spdif outputs...i just want to get all my audio (1-2) to get by spdif to the finalizer..but how????

Hi, And I think we should welcome ladies on new "technologies interests" because there aren't that many involved... Well done Sam Greene You're "SUPER GREENE"... He heee... Usually girls just want to sing or play an instrument...and have no further interests in music technologies... So congratulations Natalia... Nice Continuation in the wonderful world of Electronic music and other music technologies... Now I have to ask, are there a lot of girls interested in this kind of subject on this forum? Best regards, Moren. -----Original Message----- From: Sam Greene [mailto:sagreene@...] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:51 AM To: logic-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [LUG] [GEN] squarepusher drum programming thread > Uh...yeah...not to turn this into a "Me too!" thread, > but I was a bit lost in the description of how to > achieve this effect. Can anyone put up a really basic > example .lso file with the environment changes and > maybe a basic track programmed that we could try the > effect with? Purty pleaze? Natalia, I'll send you the one I made last night when i get home-this should be a fun weekend playing with all this stuff. To make it: make a new enviornment layer new mapped instrument new fader->special->switch a couple delays an arppegiator sp? link them together in that order and then cntrl-click on the output of the arp then you can select an output--I used an audio instrument one cable will go into your switch, and then you can have as many as you like going to different delays, so when you click the switch you will get a different delay. In the mapped instrument, you can specify which keys/notes go to which cables, so your snare can go to one delay(or set of delays) and then your hi hat can go to another. To simplify, you can replace the mapped inst. with a regular one.

Hey Super Greene, I had THE SAME PROBLEM with my Ex-Girlfriend. She never was stopping arguing about this... I think it was more Jealousy because we were spending a lot of time together and we were doing really various things together (Sex, outgoings, walks, disco clubs, speaking...) I wasn't even spending much time with my music... only 7-8 hours a week... Is this much... It only a passion that I have... I don't think I had preference for my music instead spending time with her... I really loved her... And I think also there was no problem about how I was showing her my love... Finally I leaved her... it was really kind of possessive thing... Ciao, Moreno > > And I think we should welcome ladies on new "technologies interests" > > because there aren't that many involved... Well done Sam Greene > > You're "SUPER GREENE"... > > He heee... > > Usually girls just want to sing or play an instrument...and have > > no further > > interests in music technologies... > > So congratulations Natalia... Nice Continuation in the wonderful world of > > Electronic music and other music technologies... > > Now I have to ask, are there a lot of girls interested in this kind > > of subject on this forum? > > > > Best regards, > > Moren. > hi, > I will immediately marry any music-tech inclined woman i meet. I once had a > girlfriend I lived with who would get very jealous of my time spent with my > music--"can't you do that when i'm at work(while giving the evil eye)"--she > would say. Of course not. One time she did write some lyrics for me--but > they were hinting at problems in the relationship--that was weird. I had to > come up with a bridge that rufuted her concerns and proclaimed my love :) > Due to my lyrical inabilities I was unable to settle her down and it ended > shortly thereafter :( I think women in the field probably have a bit of an > edge - if they make it known - although i wouldn't like preferential > treatment if it was me. Seems that the end product matters more that the > artist in electronic music--go figure. > sam

>Hey Super Greene, > >I had THE SAME PROBLEM with my Ex-Girlfriend. >She never was stopping arguing about this... I think it was more Jealousy No the problem was your persistent tendency to bottom quote. That will destroy *any* relationship.

> Even now, in Sound on Sound or Future Music (which seem to favor PCs), in > response to a queestion about which platform to use, they said > that in most > pro studios, its Mac. So I think Apple is hoping the word gets around and > people start buying more macs - just like they buy U87's, > Marshalls, etc - > they're the standard. think different

i wouldnt care, but you mis-quoted me.. > If you download thier detailed spec sheet (via PDF file), they > claim that the > Dual 1 Gig Powermac G4 ("the worst computer ever made" according to some > here)... is 72% faster than a Dell Dimension 8200 running a 2 GHz > Pentium 4. Packard Bell makes fairly shite computers, i reckon their cheap ones are worse ;-) BTW, where's that cheque book? I hadnt realised just how fast those dualiesare - 72% faster? Amazing - i must be turning on the macs i use incorrectly. Is there a secret turbo button hidden somewhere? cheers, adam p

The Turbo button is Mac OS X. It is only with OS X that the full capacity for multithreading and dual processor support is achieved and apparently it is near 100% improved. So I hear Paul > From: Adam Pendse <adampendse@...> > Reply-To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 04:52:41 +0200 > To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [L-OT] nice future! > > i wouldnt care, but you mis-quoted me.. > >> If you download thier detailed spec sheet (via PDF file), they >> claim that the >> Dual 1 Gig Powermac G4 ("the worst computer ever made" according to some >> here)... is 72% faster than a Dell Dimension 8200 running a 2 GHz >> Pentium 4. > > Packard Bell makes fairly shite computers, i reckon their cheap ones are worse > ;-) > BTW, where's that cheque book? I hadnt realised just how fast those dualies > are - 72% faster? Amazing - i must be turning on the macs i use incorrectly. > Is there a secret turbo button hidden somewhere? > > cheers, > adam p > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

True that tendencies to "bottom quote" can cut a relationship... but i never made this!!! if i understand well my what you mean... sorry for my bad english. Moren. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Gunn [mailto:dennisg@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:54 AM To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com Subject: [L-OT] RE: [LUG] [OT] squarepusher drum programming thread... Are girls interested on music technologies??? >Hey Super Greene, > >I had THE SAME PROBLEM with my Ex-Girlfriend. >She never was stopping arguing about this... I think it was more Jealousy No the problem was your persistent tendency to bottom quote. That will destroy *any* relationship. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

>True that tendencies to "bottom quote" can cut a relationship... but i never >made this!!! >if i understand well my what you mean... sorry for my bad english. I was making a joke and I think you did misunderstand. I was just referring to the practice of putting quoted text underneath your own text in an internet forum. I am sorry if it sounded to you like I was making some kind of personal comment it was just a joke really.

Sur i misunderstood... i feel like an idiot now... Anyway it doesn't kill... No worries... Good joke, Lol... =;D Moren. >True that tendencies to "bottom quote" can cut a relationship... but i never >made this!!! >if i understand well my what you mean... sorry for my bad english. I was making a joke and I think you did misunderstand. I was just referring to the practice of putting quoted text underneath your own text in an internet forum. I am sorry if it sounded to you like I was making some kind of personal comment it was just a joke really.

--- In logic-ot@y..., BasharAR <basharar@m...> wrote: > > http://www.pcworld.com/features/article/0,aid,102528,00.asp You haven't seen mine! Mine is bigger! :-). And I'm not including any link. Yoonchi.

--- In logic-ot@y..., Dennis Gunn <dennisg@a...> wrote: > >> >Unless apple/emagic change their minds about dropping all Windows > >> >audio product development, I don't see how they can hope to be a > >> >credible player in this new sort of market. > >> > >> By making something that works well. Only time will tell. > > > >Well, Betamax worked well, but Sony refused to allow their superior > >heads to be used in other manufacturers machines, and the publc > >perception of betamax as an "unpopular" format became self- > >fulfilling. It lost critical mass, and VHS (which lots of > >manufacturers could "support" by buying in the core mechanism and > >putting their own box and badge around it) won out. > > That's the example everyone flogs. Digi is the example of > successfully being stingy with compatibility etc. There is no > single strategy for success except to stay abreast and excel and even > that does not always work. Hmm, I learn something new everyday on this forum. I was always told that the Betamax system and the V2000(Philips) system went under simply because there were more porn videos available in the VHS formats than the other formats, :-). Seems like I've been told wrongly by people in the video business; I always knew those boys at Philips made up these stories to cover up their lack of marketing skills, :-). Now I'm wondering, are there more porn movies being... nevermind, ;-). Digi is a respectable company with no seedy alliances, I think, :-). Cheers, Yoonchi.

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