Hello Everybody, Please be so kind and tell me: are there gaps between the different parts of drum kits in EXS-24? I mean - when I recently loaded one of the kits I found that some of the keys do not sound while both the adjacent ones do. Is it the way it should be or there's something wrong with my EXS? Thanks in advance for any comments, Marcin

On May ,17, 2007, at 5:40 AM, Marcin Zieliński wrote: > > Please be so kind and tell me: are there gaps between the different > parts of > drum kits in EXS-24? I mean - when I recently loaded one of the > kits I found > that some of the keys do not sound while both the adjacent ones do. > Is it > the way it should be or there's something wrong with my EXS? Nothing's wrong with your EXS. It's just the way the samples have been mapped in the sampler instrument. A lot of drum mappings are like this - leaving some notes unassigned. If you want to change it, you can easily go into the EXS Instrument Editor and graphically drag the left or right boundaries of the zones in question from right under the keyboard portion of the window, and drag them out to lengthen them. If you do this, they may or may not actually transpose in pitch when triggered from the adjacent notes; depending on how you have your zone parameters set. -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.elikrantzberg.com http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

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Hi Folks, I'm working on a set of bagpipes in the EXS. I have 2 Groups defined. Group 1- chanter (melodic part of the pipes) Group 2- Drones I'd like to have Group 1 (chanter) ignore cc#64 (sustain pedal), While group 2 (drones) continues to recognize cc #64 messages - all in 1 EXs instrument. The idea is to keep the drone sounding by holding the sus pedal down while the chanter part of the pipes plays in mono-mode, so that the left hand is free to access the Mod & Pitch wheels. Any thoughts? Thanks so much! --------------------------------------- Dennis Burns Bolder Sounds Boulder Colorado http://www.boldersounds.com ----------------------------------------

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Burns <dennis@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > I'm working on a set of bagpipes in the EXS. I have 2 Groups defined. > Group 1- chanter (melodic part of the pipes) > Group 2- Drones > > I'd like to have Group 1 (chanter) ignore cc#64 (sustain pedal), > While group 2 (drones) continues to recognize cc #64 messages - all > in 1 EXs instrument. I don't think you can selectively filter out CCs with the EXS. There may be a workaround though. Assuming the chanter is monophonic, you can define it's group to play only one voice. You can also add a dummy zone, with a silent sample, to the group to use as a mute. -Matt > > The idea is to keep the drone sounding by holding the sus pedal down > while the chanter part of the pipes plays in mono-mode, so that the > left hand is free to access the Mod & Pitch wheels. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks so much! > --------------------------------------- > Dennis Burns > Bolder Sounds > Boulder Colorado > http://www.boldersounds.com > ---------------------------------------- >

> > > I'm working on a set of bagpipes in the EXS. I have 2 Groups > defined. > > Group 1- chanter (melodic part of the pipes) > > Group 2- Drones > > > > I'd like to have Group 1 (chanter) ignore cc#64 (sustain pedal), > > While group 2 (drones) continues to recognize cc #64 messages - all > > in 1 EXs instrument. > > I don't think you can selectively filter out CCs with the EXS. > There may be a workaround > though. Assuming the chanter is monophonic, you can define it's > group to play only one > voice. You can also add a dummy zone, with a silent sample, to the > group to use as a > mute. > > -Matt > > > > > The idea is to keep the drone sounding by holding the sus pedal down > > while the chanter part of the pipes plays in mono-mode, so that the > > left hand is free to access the Mod & Pitch wheels. >> . Yes, I've got the chanter set to 1 voice, but it still does not give me what I'm looking for. I'd also like the drones to ignore pitch and mod wheel messages that are sent to the chanter as well. Looks like I should just set up separate instruments for the chanter and drones for independent control. It's just a bit more fun to pay these things in real time from one instrument. I was able to set them up this way with Kontakt as well as the Motif.

On 21.05.2007, at 06:54, Dennis Burns wrote: > Yes, I've got the chanter set to 1 voice, but it still does not give > me what I'm looking for. I'd also like the drones to ignore pitch and > mod wheel messages that are sent to the chanter as well. > Looks like I should just set up separate instruments for the > chanter and drones for independent control. It's just a bit more fun > to pay these things in real time from one instrument. I was able to > set them up this way with Kontakt as well as the Motif. You could open two EXS and use the environment to create a new midi instrument, cable it's output two transformers (filtering out what you don't need) and then cable it to the two EXS isntruments. When you play it they will both play in real time. Cheers Hans

Hello, I have a question: what if I want to layer two different sets of multisamples onto each other, but with different synth (amp, filter, lfo, etc) settings? Like one PAD-like sound and one ARP-like sound... I know, I could layer them in Logic itself, but I'd need this the way above - in one sampler instrument. Is this possible in EXS24 MKII? Thanks, Bz.

At 06:54 AM 5/21/2007, you wrote: >I have a question: what if I want to layer two different sets of >multisamples onto each other, but with different synth (amp, filter, >lfo, etc) settings? Like one PAD-like sound and one ARP-like sound... > >I know, I could layer them in Logic itself, but I'd need this the way >above - in one sampler instrument. > >Is this possible in EXS24 MKII? Yes, within limits. The baseline question is: what parameters are global to the Instrument, and what parameters are on the Group or Zone level? You can find these things out by looking in the EXS24 Instrument Editor, and by looking on the Spaceship (the main interface). All the parameters in the Spaceship are the global Instrument ones. The ones in the Editor are the non-global ones. You will notice that these can be set on a per-sample/group-of-samples basis (not all are listed below): Volume Tuning Panning Looping Voices Cutoff Frequency Resonance Amp Attack Amp Hold (Logic 7.2+) Amp Decay Amp Sustain Amp Release Filter Attack (Logic 7.2+) Filter Hold (Logic 7.2+) Filter Decay (Logic 7.2+) Filter Sustain (Logic 7.2+) Filter Release (Logic 7.2+) These are global: LFO settings Modulations XFade setting Filter Type Filter On-Off So you see, there's a lot that is not global, but there is enough that is global (especially the modulations) that it makes things a pain. From your question, I see that you can probably fit your needs into one Instrument, perhaps with a compromise or two. Garth Hjelte Sampler User

Posted by: "Dennis Burns" dennis@BOLDERSOUNDS.COM boldersounds2003 Sun May 20, 2007 10:27 pm (PST) > > The idea is to keep the drone sounding by holding the sus pedal down > > while the chanter part of the pipes plays in mono-mode, so that the > > left hand is free to access the Mod & Pitch wheels. I was thinking about this, and I think the best way is to set up the envelopes of the chanter Group samples so the sustain pedal has no effect. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Garth Hjelte <garth@...> wrote: > > The baseline question is: what parameters are global to the > Instrument, and what parameters are on the Group or Zone level? > > You can find these things out by looking in the EXS24 Instrument > Editor, and by looking on the Spaceship (the main interface). All the > parameters in the Spaceship are the global Instrument ones. The ones > in the Editor are the non-global ones. > > You will notice that these can be set on a > per-sample/group-of-samples basis (not all are listed below): > > Volume > Tuning > Panning > Looping > Voices > Cutoff Frequency > Resonance > Amp Attack > Amp Hold (Logic 7.2+) > Amp Decay > Amp Sustain > Amp Release > Filter Attack (Logic 7.2+) > Filter Hold (Logic 7.2+) > Filter Decay (Logic 7.2+) > Filter Sustain (Logic 7.2+) > Filter Release (Logic 7.2+) > > These are global: > > LFO settings > Modulations > XFade setting > Filter Type > Filter On-Off > > So you see, there's a lot that is not global, but there is enough > that is global (especially the modulations) that it makes things a pain. > > From your question, I see that you can probably fit your needs into > one Instrument, perhaps with a compromise or two. > > Garth Hjelte > Sampler User > Thanks Garth, this is limited in a way, I would need some indepenedent modmatrix settings, so I have to solve only what I have, using these offsets. EXS keeps what it is.. this is a monotimbral stuff yet. Thanks, Bz.

Garth already explained the parameters wich you can change on a group level (actually, it's even a tad worse as you can in fact only adjust some offsets to what you have set on the EXS' GUI), so that's quite limited indeed. In case you're doing such things more often, I can highly recommend getting another sampler. Inside Logic and for OSX, I'd say there's no better choice than Kontakt - which allows for doing all these things with ease. You wouldn't even have to create a new instrument out of two existing ones but smply load them into Kontakt on top of each other, then tweak the individual instruments to your likings. That way you can easily apply totally different envelopes, filters, FX and what not in a matter of seconds (or minutes, in case you're a deep tweaker). Sure, that's quite some financial stretch, in addition Kontakt isn't acting as quick as the EXS, plus it's indeed less efficient, too - but after all, it's tweakers heaven, whereas the EXS is just a sort of workhorse sampler (a rather nice one at that, but not much more nontheless).

> I was thinking about this, and I think the best way is to set up the > envelopes of the chanter Group samples so the sustain pedal has no > effect. Nick - can you be more specific? I'm assuming you are suggesting doing this with the AMP ENV offset values? > You could open two EXS and use the environment to create a new midi > instrument, cable it's output two transformers (filtering out what > you don't need) and then cable it to the two EXS isntruments. > Hans - I'd rather not require someone to load a new environment in order to do this. But it's a very good idea! > You can also add a dummy zone, with a silent sample, to the group > to use as a > mute. Matt - Can you elaborate on how to do this a bit more? Thanks! Dennis

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On 21/05/2007, at 9:28 AM, mandcmiller wrote: > --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Burns <dennis@...> wrote: >> >> Hi Folks, >> I'm working on a set of bagpipes in the EXS. I have 2 Groups defined. >> Group 1- chanter (melodic part of the pipes) >> Group 2- Drones >> >> I'd like to have Group 1 (chanter) ignore cc#64 (sustain pedal), >> While group 2 (drones) continues to recognize cc #64 messages - all >> in 1 EXs instrument. > > I don't think you can selectively filter out CCs with the EXS. > There may be a workaround > though. Assuming the chanter is monophonic, you can define it's > group to play only one > voice. You can also add a dummy zone, with a silent sample, to the > group to use as a > mute. Why not copy the same EXS instrument to 2 different instruments (it doesn't take up any more memory). The you can copy the midi part to the second instrument and delete the CC64 messages from it and limit by keyrange for both. If you wanted the same functionality for live input you could split the incoming midi stream via note range and then use a transformer to filter the CC64 from the appropriate stream. The are no easier ways I know of. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

On May 20, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Paul Najar wrote: > Why not copy the same EXS instrument to 2 different instruments (it > doesn't take up any more memory). The you can copy the midi part to > the second instrument and delete the CC64 messages from it and limit > by keyrange for both. I guess I should have been clearer in my original post. This sample set (Celtic Pipes) is a commercial product. I was just wanting the user to have instant access to the chanter and drones by loading one instrument for instant gratification. I realize this can be done easily over 2 midi channels using 2 instances of the EXS. Dennis

> I was thinking about this, and I think the best way is to set up the > envelopes of the chanter Group samples so the sustain pedal has no > effect. Posted by: "Dennis Burns" dennis@BOLDERSOUNDS.COM boldersounds2003 > Tue May 22, 2007 7:03 am (PST) > > Nick - can you be more specific? I'm assuming you are suggesting > doing this with the AMP ENV offset values? Even simpler, Dennis - I just mean that you could make the decay and sustain portions of the regular amp envelope short enough that freezing the envelope (which is basically what cc64 does) has no effect. It's still responding to cc64 messages, but it's not doing anything different than it would have done anyway. Sorry if I'm not thinking clearly about what cc64 actually does, but I think you get the idea. (cc64 is one of those things that just happens without any additional programming, so I've never had to stop and think about it.) Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@...> wrote: > > Garth already explained the parameters wich you can change on a group level > (actually, it's even a tad worse as you can in fact only adjust some offsets > to what you have set on the EXS' GUI), so that's quite limited indeed. > > In case you're doing such things more often, I can highly recommend getting > another sampler. Inside Logic and for OSX, I'd say there's no better choice > than Kontakt - which allows for doing all these things with ease. You > wouldn't even have to create a new instrument out of two existing ones but > smply load them into Kontakt on top of each other, then tweak the individual > instruments to your likings. That way you can easily apply totally different > envelopes, filters, FX and what not in a matter of seconds (or minutes, in > case you're a deep tweaker). > > Sure, that's quite some financial stretch, in addition Kontakt isn't acting > as quick as the EXS, plus it's indeed less efficient, too - but after all, > it's tweakers heaven, whereas the EXS is just a sort of workhorse sampler (a > rather nice one at that, but not much more nontheless). > Thanks for your comment. As a sample developer, I am aware of the fact that Kontakt, Halion, E-MU Emulator X, etc. are much more advanced samplers than EXS MKII. However, the EXS is the one you can not leave out when developing sample libraries - it is tied into Logic. I managed to create quite good results playing with offests. But in overall, EXS it is nowhere near of the synthesis and editing possibilites of Halion3, Kontakt2 or.. the most advance, the E-MU Emulator X. In terms of stability and speed, EXS stil rocks... And I think, when Apple introduces the successor of Logic (hopefully soon), it will also incorporate a new sampler, maybe an EXS MKIII who knows...

>As a sample developer, I am aware of the fact that Kontakt, Halion, >E-MU Emulator X, etc. are much more advanced samplers than EXS MKII. >However, the EXS is the one you can not leave out when developing >sample libraries - it is tied into Logic. <snip> >In terms of stability and speed, EXS stil rocks... And I think, when >Apple introduces the successor of Logic (hopefully soon), it will also >incorporate a new sampler, maybe an EXS MKIII who knows... Have you looked at Redmatica's Keymap yet? In many ways it gives you an EXS24 MK6 !! http://www.redmatica.com/Redmatica/Keymap.html Regards - Colin

A friend is having an issue with most of his exs instruments failing to load the samples. The samples do reside on his computer. But the links seem to be broken. Any way to fix this without having to buy EXSmanager Pro? The samples used to load fine and they are the factory samples that come with Logic. He's on the latest version of Logic. I tried using the Project manager but it didn't help. thanks tom

Am 22.05.2007 um 09:38 schrieb Sascha Franck: > Garth already explained the parameters wich you can change on a > group level > (actually, it's even a tad worse as you can in fact only adjust > some offsets > to what you have set on the EXS' GUI), so that's quite limited indeed. > > In case you're doing such things more often, I can highly recommend > getting > another sampler. Inside Logic and for OSX, I'd say there's no > better choice > than Kontakt - which allows for doing all these things with ease What's wrong with using more than one EXS instrument simultaneously? You then can also use a different insert effect, channel eq and whatnot for each instrument. I don't think a real multitimbral sampler could be that flexible. I'd see the point if EXS were a standalone application, but since it only runs inside Logic's environment why duplicate the functionality the environment already has? Ingo

> What's wrong with using more than one EXS instrument simultaneously? > You then can also use a different insert effect, channel eq and > whatnot for each instrument. I don't think a real multitimbral > sampler could be that flexible. > I'd see the point if EXS were a standalone application, but since it > only runs inside Logic's environment why duplicate the functionality > the environment already has? > > Ingo > Hello, you are completely right: it is very easy to layer any instrument in Logic - from Logic 6. However, there are still a huge number of pc users out there who uses the Logic 5, and layering does not work there at all - unless you know the trick... greetings, Bz.

> Have you looked at Redmatica's Keymap yet? > In many ways it gives you an EXS24 MK6 !! > http://www.redmatica.com/Redmatica/Keymap.html > > Regards - Colin Yes, yesterday I was checking all the Keymap video and all i could say: very-very cool!

Eli Krantzberg <elik@videotron.ca> wrote: > Here's what I bet is happening: > * You have a key command set for next/previous plugin setting > * You have some midi remote command assigned to it > * And you have midi remote enabled I am brand-new to this forum, so if I'm posting in the wrong place, please let me know and accept my sincere apology. I have Midi Remote disabled, and still when I hit A#1 the patch on the EXSP24 increments, and when I hit A#0 it decrements. I have checked Key Commands and nothing is set to change patches in plugins. Being new to Logic Express a few weeks ago, I poked around looking for a convenient way to increment and decrement when I was first auditioning sounds in the EXSP24 - sadly, I found one, but I don't remember what it was. I now want that feature turned off, so I can use those keys in my playing without changing patches when I hit either of those two keys. I'm embarrassed to need help in this regard - after all, I created the problem for myself, but I can't remember how I did so. That being the case, if anyone knows how to disable this feature, other than disabling Midi Remote, which I have done, or turning off the feature using Key Commands, which is not set to increment and decrement patches, I would be most appreciative. With my thanks in advance, -futz

futz wrote: > I have Midi Remote disabled, and still when I hit A#1 the patch on the > EXSP24 increments, and when I > hit A#0 it decrements. I have checked Key Commands and nothing is set to > change patches in plugins. > Being new to Logic Express a few weeks ago, I poked around looking for a > convenient way to increment > and decrement when I was first auditioning > sounds in the EXSP24 - sadly, I found one, but I don't > remember what it was. I now want that feature turned off, so I can use > those keys in my playing without > changing patches when I hit either of those two keys. The MIDI patch control functionality of the EXS can't be found in the keycommands section, it's under the EXS preferences. Open the GUI, go to "Options > Settings". You'll find a "next instrument" and "previous instrument" entry there. Delete the notes you may find there and you should be good to go. Regards Sascha