Thanks Gerald, Good thought. I gave it a shot. Unfortunately the save as function doesn't give those options. regards, julie www.julielarson.net On Oct 4, 2006, at 4:03 AM, Gérald RYCKEBOER wrote: > > Le 4 oct. 06, à 01:55, Don Newmeyer a écrit : >> >> Have you thought of rebuilding the song from scratch? I know that's a >> lot of >> work, but it might end up saving you time in the long run if it >> works. >> If >> other songs are not behaving this way, it sounds like the problem has >> something to do with this particular song file. > > Perheaps try first to "Save as …" to see if the problem still > there in > the new version ? > I could save my job that way sometimes … > I have no Logic here at the moment, so can't have a try, but it's > possible that way you can save as a single song and not as a project

Hey Colin, Quick question. Do you find your 7.2.1 to be backwards compatible? Ie can you load a Logic 6 ASIO song into 7.2.1(meaning convert from ASIO to Audio Units)?? Gary > Funny - I find v 7.2.1 to be the most stable problem-free > version so Maybe this will help, though I suspect the song > is corrupt somehow.

>Hey Colin, >Quick question. Do you find your 7.2.1 to be backwards compatible? Ie >can you load a Logic 6 ASIO song into 7.2.1(meaning convert from ASIO to >Audio Units)?? >Gary > >> Funny - I find v 7.2.1 to be the most stable problem-free >> version so Maybe this will help, though I suspect the song > > is corrupt somehow. Hi Gary, In as much as it's ever compatible..... There is obviously a big impediment with old songs from OS9 + ASIO as they all used VST plugins. One has to have an OSX-VST version of each plugin, plus you need to use the VST to AU wrapper by FXpansion. No guarantees that the settings will load - ever (since v6.x). If there are no 3rd party plugs, then it should work okay. Regards - Colin

I am finishing setting up my system: MAC G5 dual 2.7 gig 4 gig ram OSX 10.4 Logic Pro 7.2 Final Cut Pro Two= Internal 250 gig SATA 7200 rpm hard drives One= External 300 gig Maxtor 7200 rpm USB 2.0 /Firewire 400 hard drive I plan on running programs DAW, plug in samplers/players on the main drive and recording audio, film scores, etc. on the second internal drive. I have the Maxtor to store projects on. I would like to keep my system uncomplicated and "clean" and therefore would like to store all of my samples for EXS 24 on a second external Maxtor HD and access/load them when I want to use them. I would also like to keep the large sample files of other samplers/players such as BFD, Garriton Orchestra, etc., on this second Maxtor External Hard drive. Does this seem like the most logical set up? If NO, please recommend a better way to go? Thanks

* In as much as it's ever compatible..... * No Colin I am sorry this was not a work around question. I am sorry you misunderstood me. This was a question in relation to you saying 7.2 is the most stable version. So let me put this out to everyone. Can anyone load Logic 6 or older ASIO songs into their 7.2 without 7.2 crashing? I have tried & tried. I have to load them into 7.0 and then load the 7.0 song into 7.2. Anyone with a different experience. Thanks Gary

At 9:45 Uhr -0500 04.10.2006, Julie Larson wrote: >Thanks Hans, >It was worth a try. I just saved from the menu....same problem. Dang... what if you look at the file in the Finder? This is a really long shot, but are the file permissions of the file or the folder containing the file set correctly? Is it perhaps a stationery, although it then should open as a copy and the name should be different... Coming to my wits end... Cheers and good luck! Hans

Michael Knox wrote: > I am finishing setting up my system: > > MAC G5 dual 2.7 gig > 4 gig ram > OSX 10.4 > Logic Pro 7.2 > Final Cut Pro > Two= Internal 250 gig SATA 7200 rpm hard drives > One= External 300 gig Maxtor 7200 rpm USB 2.0 /Firewire 400 hard > drive > > I plan on running programs DAW, plug in samplers/players on the main > drive and recording audio, film scores, etc. on the second internal > drive. I have the Maxtor to store projects on. I would like to > keep my system uncomplicated and "clean" and therefore would like to > store all of my samples for EXS 24 on a second external Maxtor HD > and access/load them when I want to use them. I would also like to > keep the large sample files of other samplers/players such as BFD, > Garriton Orchestra, etc., on this second Maxtor External Hard > drive. Does this seem like the most logical set up? If NO, please > recommend a better way to go? Thanks > That's exactly what I do and it works absolutely fine. (Except I use a Lacie FW800 for samples, but the jury's still out on Lacie vs Maxtor vs whatever). You may well find FW400 is better than USB2. -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk Logic Tutorials, Hints, Tips, free Icons, Environments EXS Instruments (donationware) ***Please support my trek in the Andes in aid of APEC*** ***info & sponsorship: http://www.justgiving.com/petethomas***

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "gary pozner" <gary@...> wrote: > > * In as much as it's ever compatible..... > > > * No Colin I am sorry this was not a work around question. I am > sorry you misunderstood me. This was a question in relation to you > saying 7.2 is the most stable version. So let me put this out to > everyone. Can anyone load Logic 6 or older ASIO songs into their 7.2 > without 7.2 crashing? I have tried & tried. I have to load them into 7.0 > and then load the 7.0 song into 7.2. Anyone with a different > experience. > > Thanks > Gary > Yep, I've done this recently. Just got an old HD of archives from a friend to open and look at, there is a mixture of old (pre osx/ASIO) Logic 6 files and osx logic 6 files. I can open them all, but the plugins don't neccessarily load. This is on a PB 15" 1.5 /OSX 10.4.8 LP 7.2.3 if that would make any difference... Mike

>* No Colin I am sorry this was not a work around question. I am >sorry you misunderstood me. This was a question in relation to you >saying 7.2 is the most stable version. So let me put this out to >everyone. Can anyone load Logic 6 or older ASIO songs into their 7.2 >without 7.2 crashing? I have tried & tried. I have to load them into 7.0 >and then load the 7.0 song into 7.2. Anyone with a different >experience. Hi Gary, Sorry for the confusion..... Yes - I load my old ASIO songs in Logic 7.2.1 easily with no problems. I just tried on about 5 or 6 songs and they all work fine. No crashes - no hassles. Are you using 7.2.1 or just 7.2 ? Perhaps 7.2.1 is better? I mentioned plugins before, because I have had problems getting songs to translate properly. Also, I recall an issue with songs that used Absynth v2 in ASIO songs. For some reason, the Absytnth 2 AU caused crashes - never completely resolved that one..... Regards - Colin

> > Yes - I load my old ASIO songs in Logic 7.2.1 easily with no > problems. I just tried on about 5 or 6 songs and they all work fine. > No crashes - no hassles. > Well here lies the rub, and maybe there is something in the water in this part of NYC, but we have 5 macs(2 G4's both dual 887, one g5 dual 2.5, and 2 powerbooks ) 4(one with Logic 7.0) with Logic 7.2.3 and OSX 10.4.8 and none can take an Logic file that was created in OS 9 as an asio file(specifically Logic 6.4 files) and open them without crashing. Doesn't matter if they have VST plugins or not. We have to open them in 7.0 and then into 7.2.3. When I spoke to a Logic "genius" about this, I was told that a complete new system install would fix this. We went thru this and nothing changed. We are now almost done converting the files. But the fact that this is consistent to our systems and not to yours is a question in itself gp

My gear: Apple Power Book 1.25 GHz, 1.5GB RAM, Logic Pro 6 with EXS24mkII Hello to all, I received and installed yesterday a PMI Piano (Steinway D, 5.2GB) which sound incredibly beautiful and dinamic, when PLAYING IT SLOWLY. The problem is that apparently the Power Book or the EXS can't handle this size of instrument easily. When playing the piano normally, you have to almost literally wait until the RAM reads the information of each note or chord you are playing, but you cannot play smoothly. So, it's not practical to use this piano with the computer/sampler configuration that I have. The same problem happened to me earlier with a set of 500MB pianos (10 times lighter!: the iPianos). They are also from PMI, made for Apple's Garage Band but can be used in the EXS sampler, and are working perfectly smooth in Garage Band (!) but not in the EXS without trouble. Although this Steinway D piano is not small (5GB), what about if I would like to install bigger pianos of 14GB or 15GB, or even the Ivory (40GB!); it would be impossible. Anyway, I just want to be able to play my 5GB piano SMOOTHLY and in peace. Could it be possible? I would not like to know that I could only play smaller and "cheapy" pianos in my EXS super sampler because I don't have a G5 or a newer Mac Book Pro with a lot RAM (anyway the top capacity of RAM in my Power Book is 2GB). As a question, people with older systems can't play these kind of sampled instruments? I would like to know from other musicians having similar computer and software configuration, what happened to them when playing their BIG pianos. Please advise me. Thank you in advance. Hector

--- Hector Rios <forums@logic-users.org> wrote: > Message posted by Hector Rios <hcrios@aol.com>: > > My gear: > Apple Power Book 1.25 GHz, 1.5GB RAM, Logic Pro 6 > with EXS24mkII > > > Hello to all, > > I received and installed yesterday a PMI Piano > (Steinway D, 5.2GB) which > sound incredibly beautiful and dinamic, when PLAYING > IT SLOWLY. The problem > is that apparently the Power Book or the EXS can't > handle this size of > instrument easily. When playing the piano normally, > you have to almost > literally wait until the RAM reads the information > of each note or chord you > are playing, but you cannot play smoothly. So, it's > not practical to use > this piano with the computer/sampler configuration > that I have. The same > problem happened to me earlier with a set of 500MB > pianos (10 times > lighter!: the iPianos). They are also from PMI, made > for Apple's Garage Band > but can be used in the EXS sampler, and are working > perfectly smooth in > Garage Band (!) but not in the EXS without trouble. > Are you using the 24 bit version? PMI usually has a 16 and a 24 and the 16 might be better for your setup. Can the PB take more RAM? If so max it out. Best investment you can make. Also, under Options on the EXS try checking (or unchecking the Virtual Memory. JP

Julie Maybe you could find help at this forum: http://www.logicprohelp.com/ - I've never used it but it seems pretty active. Just a thought. Dave On Oct 4, 2006, at 11:25 PM, Hans Hafner wrote: > At 9:45 Uhr -0500 04.10.2006, Julie Larson wrote: >> Thanks Hans, >> It was worth a try. I just saved from the menu....same problem. > > Dang... > > what if you look at the file in the Finder? This is a really long > shot, but are the file permissions of the file or the folder > containing the file set correctly? > Is it perhaps a stationery, although it then should open as a copy > and the name should be different... > > Coming to my wits end... > > Cheers and good luck! > Hans

I have many sample CDs. But only a few are my core library. My experience is that many libraries have the same sounds as others. Every keyboard/module has the 808/909 kits etc. I like to collect drums but not buy the same ones again and again. My core original libraries I use are: Akai MPC sound library (mostly drums that are quality akai library drums and some drum machine stuff in there two, but heaps of good acoustic and synthy drums) 116 electric drum machines (collection of drum machine hits, way too many of those old organ analogue drums but good for the other drum machines, except the kits are definately not the complete libraries of each drum machine) Dance Mega Drums Vol 1 (same as 116 drum machines except it has some drum machines not on the other) Real breakbeat libraries from a few different sources (I am a long time rap music production fan and breakbeats are the real hip hop sound to me, cut them up, layer them etc, I reCycle all breaks these days and change the patterns, essential and used to be the pride and joy of hip hop producers to have a fresh break, still quite tricky to track heaps of them down but they are out there) Alesis DM Pro, DM 5 and D4 libraries (got this disc from eBay and it is good quality, organised and edited) Akai 2000 percussion sounds. New York City drum works and percussion works The only other drum sources I can think of would be to get the Mo Phatt drums, Motif, Triton, Roland flagship module. What I wanted to convey was my experience of drum sample libraries and try to communicate what I think creates an extensive drum library without too many repeat sounds. This was so I can get more accurate opinions on what other goods original content drum libraries are out there. I know you are probably thinking I should shut up and use the ones I've got. It's a habit for me to hear new drum sounds. Plus every record of live or programmed drums inspires me to emulate that drum sound. One day I'll be recording and producing real drums and trying to make them sound like Gregory Isaacs 'Night nurse' album. I sock around the snare coil I heard to get the dead reggae snare. EQing is important. I wish there were drum libraries of vinyl drums sampled from records. I bought those eBay vinyl drum libraries and they are a scam IMO, many repeats and faded so quickly there is no vinyl ambience making them too clean. Oh well I can always sample my own old records, always fun. What acoustic drum libraries are quality. I like the dead short sharp reggae drum sound of the 70's. But most acoustic drum samples are very open airy 80's rock style sounds. Maybe I could use the amplitude envelopes to decay them so they are deader but that's not the same as having a nice dead drum sample. I really prefer breakbeat and vinyl drums most of the time because of the grit and character. I want to get a tube processor to see if that iimproves clean drum samples to sound more like a record. It would be good to have drum libraries that have dry punchy reggae, disco, funk, rock, soul drums like from the late 60's early 70's. I do have 'retrofunk' or whatever that sample cdrom is called. Haven't gone through all of it yet. Yeah I want 60s and 70s drum production. Roman.

I don't know how fast your internal drive is, but you might want to consider a fast external FW drive for your samples if you're using the disk streaming option. Hey, and maxing out the RAM is always a good idea. Regards, Lenny

On 06/10/2006, at 4: 13, Hector Rios wrote: > Message posted by Hector Rios <hcrios@aol.com>: > > My gear: > Apple Power Book 1.25 GHz, 1.5GB RAM, Logic Pro 6 with EXS24mkII > > > Hello to all, > > I received and installed yesterday a PMI Piano (Steinway D, 5.2GB) > which > sound incredibly beautiful and dinamic, when PLAYING IT SLOWLY. The > problem > is that apparently the Power Book or the EXS can't handle this size of > instrument easily. When playing the piano normally, you have to almost > literally wait until the RAM reads the information of each note or > chord you > are playing, but you cannot play smoothly. So, it's not practical > to use > this piano with the computer/sampler configuration that I have. The > same > problem happened to me earlier with a set of 500MB pianos (10 times > lighter!: the iPianos). They are also from PMI, made for Apple's > Garage Band > but can be used in the EXS sampler, and are working perfectly > smooth in > Garage Band (!) but not in the EXS without trouble. > > Although this Steinway D piano is not small (5GB), what about if I > would > like to install bigger pianos of 14GB or 15GB, or even the Ivory > (40GB!); it > would be impossible. Anyway, I just want to be able to play my 5GB > piano > SMOOTHLY and in peace. Could it be possible? > > I would not like to know that I could only play smaller and > "cheapy" pianos > in my EXS super sampler because I don't have a G5 or a newer Mac > Book Pro > with a lot RAM (anyway the top capacity of RAM in my Power Book is > 2GB). As > a question, people with older systems can't play these kind of sampled > instruments? I would like to know from other musicians having similar > computer and software configuration, what happened to them when > playing > their BIG pianos. Please advise me. > > Thank you in advance. > > Hector I had this problem with the Old Lady also from PMI. It was fixed by opening the preset up in the EXS editor selecting all zones and using "update selected zones info from audio file". Then saving. To test if this has worked you must unload and reload. Everything has been fine since then. You definitely need to have virtual memory on in the EXS. Hope this helps. Cheers Tom

hi ive just spent a while making some basic static wave samples sampled to root note C0, so i can use my EXS as a wavetable synth. BUT..... they screech and stutter and scream at the high notes. i think its called aliasing but i just want it to stop! help apreciated. thnx!

At 04:30 AM 10/8/2006, you wrote: >hi ive just spent a while making some basic static wave samples sampled to >root note C0, so i can use my EXS as a wavetable synth. >BUT..... >they screech and stutter and scream at the high notes. i think its called >aliasing but i just want it to stop! Know the feeling! =) It's more then just aliasing, to be precise, but no matter what, the interpolating nature of playing a sample to a higher pitch then originally recorded is tricky. Are you composing your static samples manually; i.e. with a wave processing/creation program? Then create some samples at a higher pitch within that composition program, and create a multisampled program within the EXS24. Place the higher samples at higher ranges; that way, the "original" samples don't have to be played at such a high range away from it's unity pitch. If you are dealing with recorded samples, still, go into a powerful sample editor and see what you can do in raising the pitch up a certain level. Sample Editors can be more effective in this then the real-time processing of the sampler itself. Some samplers refuse to raise the pitch of a sample higher then a certain range away from the unity pitch, Kurzweil's limit is 24 semitones, I think Giga's is the same or it's 36 semitones. After that point, the sample is simply played back as the highest possible pitch. But most samplers keep raiding the pitch, sometimes with awful sounding results, but sometimes it's OK. Garth Hjelte Sampler User

In case you think it might be useful, I also made a mapped instrument for the orchestral kit map included in the jam pack #4 "symphony orchestra"... http://tinyurl.com/jlpq4

Over the course of 18 months of not working with a particular set of samples and some careless `housecleaning' on my HD, some of my EXS24 instruments can no longer find their samples. These all seem to be from one set: GIGA. The instruments are intact, with the original sample zones, layerings, key range, octave settings (...etc.) I set up a year and a half ago, but now, as I say, most of the samples can't be found. I SEE them ALL in a partition on my HD; most likely they were moved in one massive, ignorant clump -in a fleeting moment of madness- months ago, when I wasn't thinking about the consequences of such an action. Now I've chosen to return to these instruments, but when I reload each missing sample, some of the instrument settings change, and I'm faced with reconfiguring all the instruments manually… all the layers on several keys per instrument… and there are a LOT of instruments. I have 2 questions to anyone who is out there: 1) Is there an easy way to facilitate each instrument finding the new location of each requisite audio file… or are there any tricks anyone can suggest that would make this operation less time consuming? Is there any way –for example- that I can point an instrument to a folder to re-find an initial sample, and then have that instrument look to that same folder to fill out all the subsequent sample positions? 2) When a missing sample IS re-found and re-loaded manually, what settings DO change on the EXS24 instrument, and is their an easy, seamless way to `show' the instrument the new location of the sample? While I understand that the problem is simple: each instrument has it's own set of instructions as to where each of it's samples resides, in my case, it may well be that the samples are organized into the same subfolders... it's just that I've probably `organized' them by putting them into a new 'GIGA' sample folder… it will be irritating to have to manually reconfigure 2000+ samples. Does anyone have any ideas? I use Logic 6.3.3.on a Mac G4 with 1G Ram. Jeff Corness

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Hi all ive been reading some posts and someone says that a theremin sound is available on the ES1 synth ? I cant find the sample, Anyone know, also is there a file area on this board where people post samples ? I cant seem to find it, Thanks Dominic

how many samples long is a c3 wave? i would love to know what lenth c1 c2 c3 c4 and c5 are in samples. info apreciated!

> > how many samples long is a c3 wave? i would love to know what lenth > c1 c2 c3 > c4 and c5 are in samples. > info apreciated! here is a list of frequencies for equal tempered scale: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/music/et.html it should be easy - some scratching my head later - to compute the periods: sample rate is 44.1 hz/s c1 is 130.81 my measurement with test oscillator reads 1675 for 5 periods, which is 335 computing seems that easy: 44100/130,8137,13018882348 With Compliments, Benjamin Wild wildjamin.de myspace.com/benjaminwild