> Wouldn't it be cool if the EXS/ Logic recognised the anchor point > of each sample in the EXS > instrument and would allow you to quantize each sample to its > anchor point? This would > allow you to keep more of the anticipation in your individual > samples, such as the onset of > guitar strums or reverse sounds, and still get them super tight > with your groove. > Yes, this would be great..... and would maybe allow for the the sample offset to work the other way around too. Mmm, makes me think of many possibilities! Nice idea! Best Regards, Matt _ _ _ _ _ ___ __ _ _ _______________ MATT MCKENZIE-SMITH MUSIC • AUDIO DESIGN • PRODUCTION PO Box 10395, Adelaide 5000, South Australia. Ph.+61 416 197 883 iCHATav. mattrixx@mac.com http://www.mattrixx.net _ _ ___ _ ____ _ _ ________________

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hans Hafner <hanshafner@...> wrote: > > At 20:50 Uhr +0000 11.09.2006, mandcmiller wrote: > >The program Live has a feature where it triggers events to whatever the quantize > >resolution is set to (i.e. the next 16th note). So, as long as you don't trigger the sample > >too late you'd be OK. This feature wouldn't work for all instruments, but it would for many. > > I can't believe I have to say this: > > you can't play audio _before_ it is triggered. We were talking about live usage of an instrument such as a sampler. Of course you can't play audio before it's triggered, but you can trigger audio before it's supposed to play. That being said, the 'live' application of this idea is severely limited and was not part of my original concept. > > Yes, once it's in the sequencer and the machine can look ahead, no problem and actually that's when I think the original idea of recognising the anchor points in the samplers works and makes sense. > > Perhaps my limited brain just doesn't get it. > > Cheers > Hans >

At 02:05 PM 9/11/2006, you wrote: > >Makes sense, you'd have say 4-5 EXS instances and you'd see the > >settings on the front panel graphically. Still, a bit overkill? > >I agree, but faster to work with. And I can apply different >compressors, filters and FX to each of the instruments. That's right, you give yourself the ability to "open up". >There is no way to do all that in one instance without it becoming a >total mess. It's not that bad, in fact it's all right and easy if you are used to the editor. In fact, if you are doing drums, Groups are essential - see below. Just open up the EXS editor, and the Groups show nicely to the right. They show the proper group via MIDI if you set it up that way. >But think about it, that's what it used to be: kick on channel one, >snare on channel two etc... from a mix standpoint it makes _much_ more sense. I programmed some of Discrete Drums stuff, whose claim to fame is multi-channel drum sets. I custom-programmed them to use different outputs, out of the Groups. It's not mandatory to have to use separate instances if you want separate outputs. Plus, the groups allow the hi-hat muting, plus any other drum muting you may want - PLUS any Round Robin things. Nevertheless, I'm agreeing with you and not disputing what you are saying. Just a different angle, point of view. Garth Hjelte Sampler User

On 12/09/2006, at 9:14 AM, Matt McKenzie-Smith wrote: >> Wouldn't it be cool if the EXS/ Logic recognised the anchor point >> of each sample in the EXS >> instrument and would allow you to quantize each sample to its >> anchor point? This would >> allow you to keep more of the anticipation in your individual >> samples, such as the onset of >> guitar strums or reverse sounds, and still get them super tight >> with your groove. >> > > Yes, this would be great..... and would maybe allow for the the > sample offset to work the other way around too. Mmm, makes me think > of many possibilities! Nice idea! > > Best Regards, > Matt > _ _ _ _ _ ___ __ _ _ _______________ > > MATT MCKENZIE-SMITH > MUSIC • AUDIO DESIGN • PRODUCTION > PO Box 10395, Adelaide 5000, South Australia. > Ph.+61 416 197 883 > iCHATav. mattrixx@mac.com > http://www.mattrixx.net > _ _ ___ _ ____ _ _ ________________ And if you have a breakbeat cut up and there is a little bit of a hihat before the snare because the drummer played the snare late then you could quantise to the snare but keep the little bit of hihat. I've thought of this before. Because I cut up breakbeats. A better example and the reason I thought of this need is when layering snares from different breakbeats. If one snare sample begins right on the attack and the other has a little bit of hihat before it then thhey don't peak at the same time. I can see the guitar strum example having this need also. Quantising to the peak of a sound using the anchor would have it's uses. At the moment I just layer drums in a sample editor to get the peaks in sync. Roman.

At 15:00 Uhr -0500 11.09.2006, Garth Hjelte wrote: >It's not that bad, in fact it's all right and easy if you are used to >the editor. In fact, if you are doing drums, Groups are essential - see below. > >Just open up the EXS editor, and the Groups show nicely to the right. >They show the proper group via MIDI if you set it up that way. I'm not trying to be a stickler, yes, you can have different envelopes for different groups. But on top of the PITA that that involves and the fact that it's written to the instrument and might not be useful in the next song you can't apply different FX to single instruments in this setup. Personally I think yes, technically the EXS can work as a drum sampler, but practically it's baloni and you have to split it up to get decent results. Cheers Hans

At 22:44 Uhr +0000 11.09.2006, mandcmiller wrote: >Of course you can't play audio before it's triggered, but you can trigger audio before it's >supposed to play. That being said, the 'live' application of this idea is severely limited and >was not part of my original concept. BTW: just to take away the wrong impression I'm leaving. The LOL in my first post stood for laughing out loud and should have denoted that what I wrote was supposed to be semi-funny. Now it's nothing new that people don't get me, I think it has to do with me, but nevertheless I have to keep trying, after all, what choice do I have? ;-) Cheers Hans

>I had been in contact with them some weeks ago : they are working on it. There is more delay than planned, but they told me it's worthwhile to waitŠ Them, they? I thought Redmatica was an |SRL Unipersonale|, which means Andrea is the only one in it... Anyway, he must be very busy: he hasn't updated his website for months!

At 01:21 AM 9/12/2006, you wrote: > >It's not that bad, in fact it's all right and easy if you are used to > >the editor. In fact, if you are doing drums, Groups are essential > - see below. > > > >Just open up the EXS editor, and the Groups show nicely to the right. > >They show the proper group via MIDI if you set it up that way. >I'm not trying to be a stickler, yes, you can have different >envelopes for different groups. > >But on top of the PITA that that involves and the fact that it's >written to the instrument and might not be useful in the next song >you can't apply different FX to single instruments in this setup. > >Personally I think yes, technically the EXS can work as a drum >sampler, but practically it's baloni and you have to split it up to >get decent results. Makes sense, thanks for the discussion. Garth Hjelte Sampler User

At 8:54 Uhr -0500 12.09.2006, Garth Hjelte wrote: >Makes sense, thanks for the discussion. Another reason why I abandoned the EXS to work as a drum sampler was: when you use the multiout EXS and different outputs and AUX object to apply FX to different channels you run into the problem Logic has with soloing when auxes and busses are used. I discussed this behaviour in length on the LUG and finally people understood that soloing does as a matter of fact not work correctly in a setup such as would make sense for a multiout drum instrument. Again: it is possible but not very practical. And from a practical stand-point my personal suggestion is to just use one instrument per EXS instance. Cheers Hans

Am 11.09.2006 um 22:50 schrieb mandcmiller: > The program Live has a feature where it triggers events to whatever > the quantize > resolution is set to (i.e. the next 16th note). The "Touch Tracks" of Logic have that feature too. I wonder, does it make any sense to use EXS24 with a different sequencer program than Logic (Live for instance)? Ingo

Le 12 sept. 06, à 15:15, jf@ai.univ-paris8.fr a écrit : >> I had been in contact with them some weeks ago : they are working on >> it. There is more delay than planned, but they told me it's >> worthwhile to waitŠ > > Them, they? I thought Redmatica was an |SRL Unipersonale|, which means > Andrea is the only one in it... That was an impersonal "they" for Redmatica ;-) Effectively, he is the only one I ever had contact with, but I didn't know he is the one of Redmatica. That can explain the delay … > > Anyway, he must be very busy: he hasn't updated his website for months! For sure. But actually, I don't worry for the delay : he wrote me to be patient and that things are late but are going on ; other products are quite good so I'm also confident for that next one. ;-) -- Gérald

Ingo Debus wrote: > The "Touch Tracks" of Logic have that feature too. > > I wonder, does it make any sense to use EXS24 with a different > sequencer program than Logic (Live for instance)? > > Ingo > > Well unless youve got a rather old copy of the Player version of EXS, you cant use it in anything other than Logic.. I cant remember whether or not the original EXS was standalone, it was the only plugin i bought (before they released the 'Pro' upgrade a few months later) and Ive been using Logic for so long now I never bothered trying it in anything else.. -- Chris http://www.monotrematamusic.com http://www.myspace.com/monotremata http://www.descentrecords.com

Le 12 sept. 06, à 21:38, Chris Coccia a écrit : > I cant remember whether or not the original EXS was standalone, It wasn't. I bought it (in the same time tan the ES1) when just available, and it was only Logic plugin. > -- Gérald

Hi everyone, I just had a big drive go down. It was mainly samples so it's not as bad as it could be....but it was bad. I have a couple of questions. What do I need to be looking for these days in a hard drive. I want big and fast. Is USB 2 an option? Is Firewire 800 becoming obsolete. Just noticed that the new mac notebooks don't have it. Most of my libraries I can just reload....but I lost some samples from the freebee instruments that Project Sam used to keep on line....Specifically the flute effects samples and the True Strike demo instrument samples. Does anyone have these? I really use them a lot and would appreciate your help. Thanks a bunch. julie www.julielarson.net

> > For sure. > But actually, I don't worry for the delay : he wrote me to be patient > and that things are late but are going on ; other products are quite > good so I'm also confident for that next one. > ;-) > -- > Gérald Yes, this looks very promising.. I just hope it is not too complex.. I had a look at the run down the other day and it seems to be extremely comprehensive. Best Regards, Matt _ _ _ _ _ ___ __ _ _ _______________ MATT MCKENZIE-SMITH MUSIC • AUDIO DESIGN • PRODUCTION PO Box 10395, Adelaide 5000, South Australia. Ph.+61 416 197 883 iCHATav. mattrixx@mac.com http://www.mattrixx.net _ _ ___ _ ____ _ _ ________________

On 14.09.2006, at 00:39, Matt McKenzie-Smith wrote: > Yes, this looks very promising.. Not just promising. Every released program of Andrea works. It's that easy :-) ___ Peter Ostry

--- Julie Larson <julielarson@mail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > I just had a big drive go down. It was mainly samples so it's not > as bad as it could be....but it was bad. I have a couple of > questions. What do I need to be looking for these days in a hard > drive. I want big and fast. Is USB 2 an option? > Is Firewire 800 becoming obsolete. Just noticed that the new mac > notebooks don't have it. > > Most of my libraries I can just reload....but I lost some samples > from the freebee instruments that Project Sam used to keep on > line....Specifically the flute effects samples and the True Strike > demo instrument samples. Does anyone have these? > I really use them a lot and would appreciate your help. > > Thanks a bunch. > > julie > > > www.julielarson.net Hi Julie You still can download all those project sam freebies. They are all there in Giga format but EXS will convert them automatically as you might know. Should that not work let me know, I might be able to send them over. I hope that helped for now Best Markus

On 9/13/06 3:20 PM, "Julie Larson" <julielarson@mail.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > I just had a big drive go down. It was mainly samples so it's not > as bad as it could be....but it was bad. I have a couple of > questions. What do I need to be looking for these days in a hard > drive. I want big and fast. Is USB 2 an option? Is Firewire 800 > becoming obsolete. Just noticed that the new mac notebooks don't > have it. Julie... I use LaCie drives...a 350G D2 for samples. I stick to FW800 on my PowerBook G4 although the D2 has FW400 & USB2 connections. USB2 is supposed to be just as fast but just doesn¹t seem to cut it for me. Only the ³17 MacBook Pro currently has FW800...worth it to me when I¹m ready for a new laptop. Can¹t help with Project Sam samples. Peace! Craig

On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Julie Larson wrote: > Hi everyone, > I just had a big drive go down. It was mainly samples so it's not > as bad as it could be....but it was bad. I have a couple of > questions. What do I need to be looking for these days in a hard > drive. I want big and fast. Is USB 2 an option? Is Firewire 800 > becoming obsolete. Just noticed that the new mac notebooks don't > have it. > > Most of my libraries I can just reload....but I lost some samples > from the freebee instruments that Project Sam used to keep on > line....Specifically the flute effects samples and the True Strike > demo instrument samples. Does anyone have these? I really use > them a lot and would appreciate your help. > > Thanks a bunch. > > julie > > > www.julielarson.net I've used a lot of drives. The major ones are all pretty much the same - made by only a few manufacturers - the differences are mostly in the cases, interfaces, warranty and service. The ones I currently like best are the LaCie d2 Extreme triple interface (FW400/FW800/USB 2.0). One I opened up had a Maxtor drive inside - but the drive manufacturer could vary, that's not part of the specs. They are available from maczone.com and compusa.com at good prices. You can get Maxtor triple interface drives for similar cost - those are OK too - though LaCie's tech support is easier to contact. FW800 is not becoming obsolete, but it seems to be remaining a niche interface only used for high-end pro audio or video. The new mac pro quadcore desktops still have FW800 ports. You don't really need FW800 unless you're doing intense projects, but it's good to have the option which is why I recommend the triple interface drives. As far as recovering your files - did the disk stop spinning or is it just not mounting. If it still spins, you might be able to recover your files with Data Rescue II, available here: http:// www.prosofteng.com/products/data_rescue_info.php I had a drive go down completely last year - I had backups, but a few important files were not in the backups. The drive would not mount and could not be fixed by TechTool, Disk Utility or Disk Warrior. With Data Rescue II, I was able to recover almost every file. Good luck! - Dave

On Sep 13, 2006, at 9:51 PM, markus kmitta wrote: > Hi Julie > > You still can download all those project sam freebies. > They are all there in Giga format but EXS will convert > them automatically as you might know. > Should that not work let me know, I might be able to > send them over. > I hope that helped for now > Best > Markus Hi Markus, I can't find them. They used to be with the updates and downloads.... Do you know the link? Thanks so much. julie www.julielarson.net

On Sep 13, 2006, at 10:41 PM, David Gordon wrote: > I've used a lot of drives. The major ones are all pretty much the > same - made by only a few manufacturers - the differences are mostly > in the cases, interfaces, warranty and service. > > The ones I currently like best are the LaCie d2 Extreme triple > interface (FW400/FW800/USB 2.0). One I opened up had a Maxtor drive > inside - but the drive manufacturer could vary, that's not part of > the specs. > > They are available from maczone.com and compusa.com at good prices. > > You can get Maxtor triple interface drives for similar cost - those > are OK too - though LaCie's tech support is easier to contact. > > FW800 is not becoming obsolete, but it seems to be remaining a niche > interface only used for high-end pro audio or video. The new mac pro > quadcore desktops still have FW800 ports. You don't really need > FW800 unless you're doing intense projects, but it's good to have the > option which is why I recommend the triple interface drives. > > As far as recovering your files - did the disk stop spinning or is it > just not mounting. If it still spins, you might be able to recover > your files with Data Rescue II, available here: http:// > www.prosofteng.com/products/data_rescue_info.php > > I had a drive go down completely last year - I had backups, but a > few important files were not in the backups. The drive would not > mount and could not be fixed by TechTool, Disk Utility or Disk > Warrior. With Data Rescue II, I was able to recover almost every file. > > Good luck! > > - Dave Dave and Craig, Thanks for the info. I get a fair number of overrun messages in fat musical passages. FW800 might help with that. As for the lost drive.... it won't spin up. We tried putting it an a couple of other housings. No luck. So....for now....I just keep popping those CD's/DVD's in the computer. thanks much, julie www.julielarson.net

On 14.09.2006, at 05:41, David Gordon wrote: > FW800 is not becoming obsolete, but it seems to be remaining a niche > interface only used for high-end pro audio or video. The new mac pro > quadcore desktops still have FW800 ports. And the new iMac, surprisingly. It does not belong to this thread but I would like to mention it: the new 24" dual Intel iMac has Firewire 400 and 800 and Gigabit Ethernet. If these machines don't get hot and loud like many of the G5 iMacs they are perfect for a lot of environments. Big screens, iCam, Logic node farm etc. ___ Peter Ostry

>I can't find them. They used to be with the updates and downloads. Do you know the link? http://www.projectsam.com/freesounds_8698gwodmv9581WFGMQ.html

Hurray! Thanks so much! julie www.julielarson.net On Sep 14, 2006, at 10:32 AM, jf@ai.univ-paris8.fr wrote: > >I can't find them. They used to be with the updates and downloads. > Do you know the link? > > http://www.projectsam.com/freesounds_8698gwodmv9581WFGMQ.html > >

On 9/14/06 8:53 AM, "Julie Larson" <julielarson@mail.com> wrote: > > Dave and Craig, > Thanks for the info. I get a fair number of overrun messages in fat > musical passages. FW800 might help with that. > > As for the lost drive.... it won't spin up. We tried putting it an a > couple of other housings. No luck. So....for now....I just keep > popping those CD's/DVD's in the computer. > > thanks much, > julie > Julie, You are welcome...wish we could have been of more help. Got to ditto on Data Rescue...it¹s the bomb! Saved my butt once, but if your drive won¹t even spin up... Regards! Craig