H Hafner wrote: I found the reason: It's the chase setting. Aha, like I said earlier I had a similar problem a while ago but I never figured it out. Next time I guess I will disable the chase thing.

>> From: "Jeff Fisher" jefisher@videotron.ca >>> >> >>> thinking of moving from a Powerbook G4 1.67 up to a Macintel Laptop >>> to run a huge live kit in logic. The new books still have a >>> 2Gig Ram limit...my present live template exceeds that and memory >>> paging begins. On the G4 this means audio glitching as OSX >>> moves data to and from the system disk. I was wondering if the Intel >>> boxes with their much faster buses can thus run memory-hogging >>> setups without interrupting the flow of audio (a dual G5 with only >>> 512 Megs of RAM was able to do this)...Not looking for simultaneous >>> playback of many tracks, just the ability to load way way beyond the >>> RAM ceiling with VSL and plugs in a live situation..with no audio >>> stuttering >>> anybody care to test this out >>> THX Jeff I wrote: >> Remember, hard disk access isn't any faster than it's been for the >> past few years. From: "Jeff Fisher" jefisher@videotron.ca > Hmm, don't the new Powerbooks all uses SATA drives (although methinks > 5400RPM)? perhaps if I boot off an external drive... > I guess I'll have to go to the store to run some tests... > thanx Jeff SATA is a faster *bus* than PATA, so it can handle more data. But you were never saturating the bus with PATA; the important issue for streaming samples is how quickly the drive itself can deliver the data. The best hard drives are WD Raptors, which are 10K RPM drives with a seek time 50-60% of a regular 7200 RPM ATA or SATA drive's spec. They do deliver a few more voices. However, you're asking whether a hard drive is a substitute for RAM access, and it clearly isn't. If EXS forces OS X to start pretending the hard drive is a RAM buffer for loading sample starts, you're going to get crashes while the machine swaps that data into RAM. Memory is thousands of times faster than any hard disk, and the only way to pay samples is from RAM. Streaming samplers store the bulk of the samples on the disk, but they still read from the RAM buffer. I've avoided using the term "virtual memory," because EXS uses (misuses?) it to mean sample-streaming. People aren't usually talking about EXS when the general term - they're talking about the OS running out of RAM and using a temporary hard disk buffer that it swaps out. Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

On 23-May-06, at 3:41 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: > However, you're asking whether a hard drive is a substitute for RAM > access, and it clearly isn't. If EXS forces OS X to start pretending > the hard drive is a RAM buffer for loading sample starts, you're > going to get crashes while the machine swaps that data into RAM. understood. Just wondering why a dual G5 1.8 with only 512M Ram (it was a store loaner) was able to run tons of EXS with so little RAM...and no audio glitching. OSX was obviously in a low RAM situation.... anyways it sounds futile...just have to wait for higher RAM capacity in future macbooks...sigh... thanx Nick J

At 08:57 AM 5/23/2006, you wrote: > > However, you're asking whether a hard drive is a substitute for RAM > > access, and it clearly isn't. If EXS forces OS X to start pretending > > the hard drive is a RAM buffer for loading sample starts, you're > > going to get crashes while the machine swaps that data into RAM. >understood. Just wondering why a dual G5 1.8 with only 512M Ram (it >was a store loaner) was able to run tons of EXS with so little >RAM...and no audio glitching. OSX was obviously in a low RAM >situation... Nick's overview was absolutely excellent, let me add a response... It's all about efficiency. The over-simplistic/basic concept of the EXS's playback (and basically all "streaming" samplers) is that the first part of the sound is loaded into memory, thus creating as small as possible memory footprint for the instrument. Since memory is instantly accessible, your initial sounds can be played. The program is continually checking if it needs to load stuff off disk if the playing "threatens" accessing sound data that isn't in memory yet. Also, the program may elect to dump things out that were loaded post-load that hadn't been accessed for awhile. It's not that different than when RealPlayer first came out and you'd constantly look at that little "buffer meter" and you could see when RP would have to download more data off the Net, or even have to stop playback because it didn't have the data yet. Think of a non-streaming sampler like Reason NN-XT and think of the memory that never gets used, or even the memory that isn't used in 2-3 seconds of time and you see how inefficient that is. The ultimate sampler would always have the sound data in RAM that's needed for playback AT THAT MOMENT and ONLY that data. How many mb's of data is actually being sounded at any particular time? Perhaps only 5mb per second, on average, I don't really know, but it can't be too huge. Certainly not even close to 32mb. It's efficiency that is the crucial thing, not the sheer amount of memory. Lots of memory just covers high stress situations and less-then optimally efficient samplers. You can have a 5-lane freeway, but they get completely jammed when there's cars driving in parallel at 45mph. So, regarding the 1.8 dual with 512mb, perhaps that it was playing was efficient - no piano sprawls with pedal, spread out sparse orchestrations, and of course the efficiency of EXS24 in general. Garth Hjelte Sampler User

Greetings, There is a sample library that I'm considering that guarantees compatibility with the following formats: " It was formatted on an AKAI S2000 sampler, and is 100% compatible and guaranteed to perform as intended on AKAI S2000, S5000, S6000, and Z-series samplers." Will this import into EXS24? Thanks, -Mark

At 01:02 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote: >There is a sample library that I'm considering that guarantees compatibility >with the following formats: > >" It was formatted on an AKAI S2000 sampler, and is 100% compatible and >guaranteed to perform as intended on AKAI S2000, S5000, S6000, and Z-series >samplers." > >Will this import into EXS24? As long as it's on a CD, should be fine. If it's not, you can get it on one easily too. Garth Hjelte Sampler User

With Logic 7.2.1, I'm using some SampleCell instruments that were originally imported into Logic 4.8 EXS24. Then, I moved that fully working EXS24 folder over to my new Mac. Many of them play perfectly, and I can watch as the samples quickly load into the EXS24. However, when I access some instruments from the menu, I get no error msg, but no samples are loaded - and ".exs" is appended after the instrument's name in the menu. I'd think if it couldn't find the samples, it would ask me where to find them? How can I resolve this?

I too would like to know if you can use the EXS the way that Sampletank works...... allowing you to change pitch and time independently///??? THX DAve

At 03:58 AM 5/28/2006, you wrote: >I too would like to know if you can use the EXS the way that >Sampletank works...... allowing you to change pitch and time >independently///??? No, that's a SampleTank exclusive feature, called STRETCH. EXS works like all other samplers do, just playing back a samples and faster or slower rates. The STRETCH feature in SampleTank takes a sample and can raise the pitch using formant conversion, so the sample changes pitch without changing length and also removes the munchkinization. The tradeoff is in latency and sound quality, but in most cases it's pretty good. Garth Hjelte Sampler User

I am running Logic Platinum 6.3 on a Mac G4 400 and I am having a problem with the Path References when I start up Logic. Logic crashes when it gets 98% of the way through reading the path references. When I go to the Project Manager window to stop it I cant...And of course I am in the middle of a big project.... Anyone have any suggestions on how I can fix this problem? Thanks Recon

I found the solution to my own problem. In case anyone else ever has this problem. The solution is to go into your preference folder and delete a folder called Logic PR and that should solve your problem..

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From: "forums@logic-users.org" forums@logic-users.org > I found the solution to my own problem. > In case anyone else ever has this problem. > > The solution is to go into your preference folder and delete a > folder called Logic PR and that should solve your problem.. Suggestion: it's generally a good idea to remind people what you're talking about. People don't memorize mailing lists and have no idea whether you had hemmorhoids, this was a spiritual matter (paths?), or EXS couldn't find something. :) Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com 1-877 VImagzn (846-2496) 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

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Hello, On Jun 2, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Michiel Post ((PMI)) wrote: > with you directly and taking better care of your needs than > before. The new office is managed by Michiel Post, previous > owner of leading piano sample library company Post Musical > Instruments (PMI). does that mean Michiel does not own Post Musical Instruments anymore? ---------- Vico vico@sonidomambo.com sonido mambo atletas 2 edificio luis buñuel c307 estudios churubusco azteca col. country club mexico d.f. 04220 tel mex 5255 5549 7869, 5255 5549 3060 x 208

I was wondering if anyone can help me figure out how to resolve unresolved files for some of my sampler instruments in the Project Manager. I've been unable to resolve the tools in the functions menu, included the automatic resolving function. The Audio files are on an external hardrive. Instruments that I've recently installed have not trouble, but one's that have been there for a while (including the factory Instruments in my HD/Library/App supp/ Logic/ samp insts) can't seem to resolve. I would love some help. Thanks

On 05.06.2006, at 00:17, vico wrote: > On Jun 2, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Michiel Post ((PMI)) wrote: >> with you directly and taking better care of your needs than >> before. The new office is managed by Michiel Post, previous >> owner of leading piano sample library company Post Musical >> Instruments (PMI). > > does that mean Michiel does not own Post Musical Instruments anymore? Not necessarily but you can ask him. He was the one who posted that text here :-) ___ Peter Ostry

I am trying import a rex file into the esx 24. I open the sampler then I hit edit and then go to instument and then say recycle convert and now all the options are greyed out, so now I cant select an option. What can I do to make these options selectable? Please help? Thanks

Hi On my G5 (OS10.4.3) + Logic Pro 7.2.1: You need to move the REX shared Library: It was in HD/Library/Application Support/ REX Shared Library Move it to: HD/Library/Application Support/Propellerhead Software/REX Shared Library The above workaround is ok for my G5, but NOT my Macbook Pro! You may need to contact the nice fellows at Propellerheads support and ask for the Universal Binary REX Library! REX Import now working on the MBP with Logic Pro 7.2.1 and Logic Express here! Regards John

I have a piano instrument in which I want to have groups selected by controller. I have a bunch of sustain layers in place selected by cc64, but I would also like a 'una-chorda' layer (the left pedal) selected by cc67. While I'm sure I can accomplish this by keyswitching or the like, I would prefer just to use the default left pedal assignment on my piano controller. Unfortunately, once I have created a 'select by' group for sustain pedal, I don't get an option for any other controllers. Any ideas? best, Nathan ___ Nathan Rosenberg Music Production The Doghouse NYC www.doghouseNYC.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 6/11/2006

Hello- just received Steinway D from PMI and cannot get Logic to recognize it. I've tried installing the entire Steinway folder in Users> Library> Application Support> Logic> Sampler Instruments and then tried same as the above but with the folder "K2 Steinway D FULL Samples" > EX Samples folder. How to set things up so that the piano is available in EXS? thanks, Larry in S, Oregon

Larry lewis wrote: > Hello- > > just received Steinway D from PMI and cannot get Logic to recognize it. > > I've tried installing the entire Steinway folder in > Users> Library> Application Support> Logic> Sampler Instruments > and then tried > same as the above but with the folder "K2 Steinway D FULL Samples" > EX > Samples folder. > > How to set things up so that the piano is available in EXS? > thanks, > Larry in S, Oregon You do not need to put the whole folder in Users> Library> Application Support> Logic> Sampler Instruments Just put the EXS instrument/s in there (the samples can go anywhere) -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk Logic Tutorials, Hints, Tips, free Icons, Environments EXS Instruments (donationware) ***Please support my trek in the Andes in aid of APEC*** ***info & sponsorship: http://www.justgiving.com/petethomas***

At 04:33 PM 6/21/2006, you wrote: > > just received Steinway D from PMI and cannot get Logic to recognize it. > > > > I've tried installing the entire Steinway folder in > > Users> Library> Application Support> Logic> Sampler Instruments > > and then tried > > same as the above but with the folder "K2 Steinway D FULL Samples" > EX > > Samples folder. > > > > How to set things up so that the piano is available in EXS? > > thanks, > > Larry in S, Oregon > >You do not need to put the whole folder in > >Users> Library> Application Support> Logic> Sampler Instruments > >Just put the EXS instrument/s in there (the samples can go anywhere) Going further, the EXS instruments can be anywhere as well, but they must be "connected" to the Sample Instruments folder via an alias. For example, if your .exs files are in a folder called "PMI" on a drive other then your boot drive, make an alias of that folder, then move that alias in the Sampler Instruments folder. The folder will then show up in the EXS popup menu. That way, the EXS can find any file anywhere on your system, without putting any actual data in the Sampler Instruments folder. What I do is I have an alias to the Sample Instruments on my desktop, and I just drag fodler aliases in and out of it at will. I also have a Sampler Instruments (disabled) alias so I can control how many things exist on the popup menu, I just shuttle the aliases back and forth as needed. Garth Hjelte Sampler User

Hello, i would like to first say thanks to everyone in the forum and thanks for all the helpful pointers I am truely appreciative. I would still be using a PC if it werent for you guys (just a joke). Here goes, I have just cleared my hard drive of everything includeing my sample libraries, in hopes to start fresh. I've decided to upgraded my operating system from Panther to Tiger and just reinstalled Logic 7. My question is relatively simple how do i get my prized sample libraries back into my exs 24. They are all backed up on cd's and are akai format. Thanks Kevin Denton

Hello EXS people, Thanks for the responses to my letter re not being able to get Steinway D to appear in EXS. I figured it out - I had installed the 24 bit steinway only. When i, in addition, installed the 16 bit Steinway in the proper place, everything was available in EXS. Now I'm using the "basic" Steinway OK. It's "good" but not quite good enough. I think need to tweak some parameters in EXS to get the richness i want. Also, it's a little too dry to me. I tried adding Logic reverb and it seemed to kill the presence a little. Apart from that I'm having a ball with it. If anybody out there has experience with PMI keyboards and can suggest how-to-tweak, I'd like to hear from you. Thanks, larry