At 12:05 PM 1/30/2006 +0100, you wrote: >I have a couple of AKAI imports that are spread all over the place >with just one sound per instrument even though they should really be >all in the same instrument. > >Is there a tool that will merge all these into one or do I have to >copy paste by hand? We're talking several houndred files here so >doing it by hand isn't really feasible with the current deadline I'm >facing. How do you want them to be merged? One sound per key? Obviously all of them layered wouldn't be correct. =) And if there are over 1000, do you want several instruments (like 61 per .exs file)? If so, send the .exs files to me and I'll do it for you if you'd like. Or if you have a Win machine I can set up a special function in Translator for you and have it do it that way (part of our CPS Custom Programming Service). Garth Hjelte Sampler User

Hans, Some of us don't compose at all without deadlines! ;-) Ned On 30-Jan-06, at 8:40 AM, Hans Hafner wrote: > god do I love deadlines! > And I'm serious! >

> Or better still, hire one (a bell tree, not a drummer) and record it > yourself, there are so many ways to play with them and you'll learn a > lot about the tonal possibilities. At best most samples of 'em tend > to have only a few variations and none of the ones I have ever fit > quite right. Mike Dave - It's on my wish-list of toys, but pretty far down. Thanks! - PH

> > > How about hiring a drummer who has a bell tree? A short session > would not be costly... I work in a very corporate environment; hiring outside talent means submitting a proposal, accompanied by an expense request, with a justification, supported by cost/benefits analysis, after which I await approval which can take 3-5 business days. So, short answer, no, I'm not hiring a drummer. But thanks for the suggestion. - PH

On Jan 31, 2006, at 1:06, Paul Heitsch wrote: >> >> >> How about hiring a drummer who has a bell tree? A short session >> would not be costly... > > I work in a very corporate environment; hiring outside talent means > submitting a proposal, accompanied by an expense request, with a > justification, supported by cost/benefits analysis, after which I await > approval which can take 3-5 business days. > > So, short answer, no, I'm not hiring a drummer. > > But thanks for the suggestion. > > - PH I could up one for ya... sshort? long thin / mushy.. you say... Raphael Vang Posaunist www.raphael-vang.de 0221 / 492 7894 0175 / 890 5821

btw I saw a belltree for about 10€ in a shop... I was actually thinking of geting one mysel :D I like belltrees. R On Jan 31, 2006, at 1:06, Paul Heitsch wrote: >> >> >> How about hiring a drummer who has a bell tree? A short session >> would not be costly... > > I work in a very corporate environment; hiring outside talent means > submitting a proposal, accompanied by an expense request, with a > justification, supported by cost/benefits analysis, after which I await > approval which can take 3-5 business days. > > So, short answer, no, I'm not hiring a drummer. > > But thanks for the suggestion. > > - PH > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > EXS Users Group - new web forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/EXS > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/EXS/search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > R4Dt - remixer www.R4Dt.com

Hey, I think I remember a bell tree in the free "demo" .gig files provided by the SAM percussion developers on their website. Give that a try!

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Hey Folks, I've been chromatically sampling the raw wavefroms from a bunch of vintage (80's era) synths. I'm wondering if it is best to normalize each individual sample, or should I allow the natural taper remain from the low to high notes? I'm sure there are arguements for and against, not withstanding the integtrity of the normailzing algorithms, but on a technical level, are non-normailzed samples going to be tapered twice - once by the synth and then by the EXS? Thanks, Matt http://www.millertone.com

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, David Wilson <wilson@b...> wrote: > > Anyone have a lead on Harmonica instrument for EXS-24 or Sculpture. There's a nice one in a soundfont called Fluid, put some AU's, maybe GuitarAmpPro to it and use some distinct modulation wheel, anyway...

Just bought a horn library from Bigfish Audio that contains AIFF files. Unfortunatly, and I am new at this, there were no instructuins on where to install them to. These are apples lookps and I would like to be able to preview the loop. Can someone help Thanks

Raphael - Thanks to you, and everyone, for helping me out with this. I've acquired some very usable samples, and have finished that part of the project. You guys are the best! - PH

On 1 Feb 2006, at 23:39, forums@logic-users.org wrote: > Message posted by John Hodgkinson <hodgkinson.john@gmail.com> > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Just bought a horn library from Bigfish Audio that contains AIFF > files. > Unfortunatly, and I am new at this, there were no instructuins on > where to > install them to. These are apples lookps and I would like to be > able to > preview the loop. Can someone help > > Thanks > Easiest thing is to drag them over the apple loops window within logic, it should ask you if you want to move the files, Mike

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mandcmiller wrote: > Hey Folks, > I've been chromatically sampling the raw wavefroms from a bunch of vintage (80's > era) synths. I'm wondering if it is best to normalize each individual sample, or > should I allow the natural taper remain from the low to high notes? I'm sure there are > arguements for and against, not withstanding the integtrity of the normailzing algorithms, > but on a technical level, are non-normailzed samples going to be tapered twice - once by the > synth and then by the EXS? Interesting question. Why not do some tests and report back. ie record the whole range, don't normalise, and check the meters level of the EXS output against the meter levels of the synth input for the same notes. (Same velocity of course!) My money would be on it being the same. -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - (Almost) Free Logic Tutorials, Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Pete Thomas <logic@...> wrote: > > mandcmiller wrote: > > Hey Folks, > > I've been chromatically sampling the raw wavefroms from a bunch of vintage (80's > > era) synths. I'm wondering if it is best to normalize each individual sample, or > > should I allow the natural taper remain from the low to high notes? I'm sure there are > > arguements for and against, not withstanding the integtrity of the normailzing algorithms, > > but on a technical level, are non-normailzed samples going to be tapered twice - once by the > > synth and then by the EXS? > > > Interesting question. > > Why not do some tests and report back. > > ie record the whole range, don't normalise, and check the meters level > of the EXS output against the meter levels of the synth input for the > same notes. (Same velocity of course!) Sounds like a plan... I'll post the results soon. Thanks, Matt

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Pete Thomas <logic@...> wrote: > > mandcmiller wrote: > > Hey Folks, > > I've been chromatically sampling the raw wavefroms from a bunch of vintage (80's > > era) synths. I'm wondering if it is best to normalize each individual sample, or > > should I allow the natural taper remain from the low to high notes? I'm sure there are > > arguements for and against, not withstanding the integtrity of the normailzing algorithms, > > but on a technical level, are non-normailzed samples going to be tapered twice - once by the > > synth and then by the EXS? > > > Interesting question. > > Why not do some tests and report back. > > ie record the whole range, don't normalise, and check the meters level > of the EXS output against the meter levels of the synth input for the > same notes. (Same velocity of course!) Hey Pete, The EXS does not re-taper the samples. I tested this using 3 scenarios. For the first test I played back the chromatic samples in an audio track as well as from within an EXS instrument. Each sample (note) played back at the identical level. For the second test I used a C1 sample mapped across the entire keyboard range, and the level of the C1 sample was the same all the way up the keyboard range. For the 3rd test I just triggering the sine wave that is generated from an EXS with no instrument loaded and again the exs produced the same level all the way up the range. So, the subjective question is, should the individual samples be normalized or should the integrity of the synth(s) be maintained by allowing the natural taper to remain? My gut tells me that leaving the taper is a more musical approach. -Matt

I've posted this question on a few other forums that I'm usually on, and I haven't been able to get an answer... I've got a semi-technical question regarding the CPU load generated from playing a sampled piano vs. other sampled instruments. As anyone who's ever played a software piano knows, if you play too many sustained notes for too long with too low of a buffer setting you're going to run out of CPU headroom and get crackles & pops. Through my experience playing multiple instruments through my laptop I've noticed that my piano sample libraries will deplete my CPU headroom TREMENDOUSLY faster than my Scarbee electric pianos - even though the pianos are running flat & dry and the EPs are running through AMP models, reverb, tremelo, & EQ and other effects. Both the pianos and EPs are being played using the EXSP24 out of Logic Express 7.1. My thinking is that since I'm playing the Scarbee libraries with all the keys sampled at 12-14 different velocities the computer just has to stream the audio samples, but with the pianos using 3-4 velocities of every 3rd note there is alot more pitch shifting and filtering going on. Is my thinking correct, is the filtering & pitch shifting that the EXS is doing causing that much headroom bite over the Scarbee libraries? Is there something else going on? This leads me to my other question... If my assumption is correct, does this mean that I'll have more CPU headroom if I go to a larger piano sample library? My system has more RAM space to spare than CPU headroom, and I'd greatly aborb a longer load and more RAM usage in exchange for more CPU headroom and a lower buffer setting. Is this the reality of the situation or is my logic flawed? Here are my system specifics: Apple Powerbook G4 17" (1.5GHZ / 1.5GB RAM) Logic Express 7.1 Buffer Size - 128 for Scarbee, 256 for Pianos Here are the core sample libraries I use live: Scarbee RSP73 (12V Lite) Scarbee WEP (14V Lite) Garageband Grand Piano Logic Yamaha Grand Piano SampleTekk Rain Piano

You might take a look at your disk I/O when playing the two libraries - I would guess the higher CPU load is caused by not being able to fit all the samples into RAM, and the computer struggling to swap lots of data in and out constantly. You can compare by watching Activity Monitor / Disk Activity.

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--- Jeremy Martin <jeremy@logic-users.org> wrote: > You might take a look at your disk I/O when playing > the two libraries > - I would guess the higher CPU load is caused by not > being able to fit > all the samples into RAM, and the computer > struggling to swap lots of > data in and out constantly. You can compare by > watching Activity > Monitor / Disk Activity. The manual say to turn off Virtual memory if you don't need it. How does one determine that? Also what is the disadvantage to leaving it turned on? Doesn't it only come into play when you run out of RAM capacity? Thanks, JP G5 2x2 4.5g RAM

At 12:37 PM 02/08/2006, james page wrote: >--- Jeremy Martin <jeremy@logic-users.org> wrote: > > > You might take a look at your disk I/O when playing > > the two libraries > > - I would guess the higher CPU load is caused by not > > being able to fit > > all the samples into RAM, and the computer > > struggling to swap lots of > > data in and out constantly. You can compare by > > watching Activity > > Monitor / Disk Activity. > >The manual say to turn off Virtual memory if you don't >need it. How does one determine that? Also what is the >disadvantage to leaving it turned on? Doesn't it only >come into play when you run out of RAM capacity? Yes. And this will be very early if you're using any of the now-common mondo sample sets---no matter how much RAM you have installed. Sample streaming from hard disk is now the norm, and works well as long as you have reasonably fast hard drives.

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Sean McCoy <osr@...> wrote: > > At 12:37 PM 02/08/2006, james page wrote: > > > >--- Jeremy Martin <jeremy@...> wrote: > > > > > You might take a look at your disk I/O when playing > > > the two libraries > > > - I would guess the higher CPU load is caused by not > > > being able to fit > > > all the samples into RAM, and the computer > > > struggling to swap lots of > > > data in and out constantly. You can compare by > > > watching Activity > > > Monitor / Disk Activity. > > > >The manual say to turn off Virtual memory if you don't > >need it. How does one determine that? Also what is the > >disadvantage to leaving it turned on? Doesn't it only > >come into play when you run out of RAM capacity? > > Yes. And this will be very early if you're using any of the > now-common mondo sample sets---no matter how much RAM you have > installed. Sample streaming from hard disk is now the norm, and works > well as long as you have reasonably fast hard drives. > I just did a test where I created a new 64 voice instrument w/ a looped single cycle waveform. I created a sequence in the matrix editor that played 61 simultaneous notes (5 octaves) for 8 bars. The cpu took quite a hit. I then took a single note (C6) played for the 8 bars and bounced that down to disk. I loaded that (unlooped) into a new 64 voice instrument and played back the same 61 note sequence. The cpu hit was a lot lower. I purposely bounced the higher note (C6) so I would be able to play back the whole sequence over the 8 bars. As I suspected, the computer seems to work harder looping a file vs streaming it from disk. So, all things being equal (fast computer, plenty of RAM, fast hard drive), it's probably better not to loop. -Matt

> At 12:37 PM 02/08/2006, james page wrote: > >The manual say to turn off Virtual memory if you > don't > >need it. How does one determine that? Also what is > the > >disadvantage to leaving it turned on? Doesn't it > only > >come into play when you run out of RAM capacity? --- Sean McCoy <osr@jeffnet.org> wrote: > > Yes. And this will be very early if you're using any > of the > now-common mondo sample sets---no matter how much > RAM you have > installed. Sample streaming from hard disk is now > the norm, and works > well as long as you have reasonably fast hard > drives. So in other words, For most users, Virtual Memory should always be on? I thought i remembered Michiel Post recommending it be turned off for his pianos if the user had 3 or more gigs RAM. Maybe he was assuming that the piano would be the only RAM hog in use. JP