On Jan ,1, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Jr wrote: > Does anyone know if the Mbox can work with Logic 7? > Yes, it can. But badly...... The main drag about it is that the Digidesign Core Audio drivers don't allow for a buffer setting under 512 ms for the Mbox. So if you use it, don't count on using software monitoring for efficient tracking. If you have a small outboard mixer to use it with though, you should be fine. Apparently the new drivers they just released are a bit more robust with third party apps like Logic. The version 6.x.x drivers totally sucked with my old Digi 001. -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com Almat Productions

On Jan ,2, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Eli Krantzberg wrote: >> Does anyone know if the Mbox can work with Logic 7? >> > > Yes, it can. But badly...... To keep things on topic and add to my initial reply....... the Mbox is a bad choice specifically for use with the EXS 24. Because the buffers don't go under 512 ms, playing in soft synth tracks from a midi keyboard is just about useless. The latency created by a 512 ms buffer is basically unusable for capturing any nuances of a performance. The delay from hitting the keys to hearing the sound is unmanageable. -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com Almat Productions

On 03/01/2006, at 12:11 AM, Eli Krantzberg wrote: > The version 6.x.x drivers totally sucked with my old Digi 001. Hi Eli, Did you ever find a solution or just buy another audio interface? BTW, my Digi Core Audio Manager is 6.9, don't know where to check the drivers themselves. Andris

On Jan ,2, 2006, at 6:12 PM, Andris Sice wrote: > Hi Eli, > > Did you ever find a solution or just buy another audio interface? > > BTW, my Digi Core Audio Manager is 6.9, don't know where to check the > drivers themselves. Hi Andris, No, I just lived with it for a while and then eventually gave up and sold my 001 to a PC user while I could still get a few bucks for it. I replaced it with an 828 mk ll. Which, now with the changeover in PCI slot formats, seems to have been a very prudent choice. I hope it will last me through the life span of my next computer; which I hope to get in about a year. How are you finding v. 6.9 with L7? All reports I have read seem to be positive. (If your Digi Core Audio Manager is v.6.9; then I guess that is what you Core Audio Driver is as well.) -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com Almat Productions

I'm interested in getting any feedback y'all have on some of the more recent sample library offerings. I'm particularly interested in the crop of jazz and big band stuff that came out last year, including Garritan's Big Band library, First Call Horns and the update to Kick a** Brass. Also the ancient/ethnic offerings RA from East West, and Origins, the brand new one from Ilio (which may be too new for anyone to have yet). I've listened to a bunch of demos ranging from lousy to impressive, but demos can be deceiving as they are frequently put together around the instruments themselves. Real-world experiences integrating these sounds into your pieces are at least as valuable. Sean McCoy Oregon Sound Recording

On 03/01/2006, at 12:28 PM, Eli Krantzberg wrote: > How are you finding v. 6.9 with L7? All reports I have read seem to be > positive. (If your Digi Core Audio Manager is v.6.9; then I guess that > is what you Core Audio Driver is as well.) Haven't had a problem but it probably won't make the transition to a new computer in a year or two. Andris

>I'm interested in getting any feedback y'all have on some of the more >recent sample library offerings. I'm particularly interested in the >crop of jazz and big band stuff that came out last year, including >Garritan's Big Band library, First Call Horns and the update to Kick >a** Brass. Also the ancient/ethnic offerings RA from East West, and >Origins, the brand new one from Ilio (which may be too new for anyone >to have yet). I've listened to a bunch of demos ranging from lousy to >impressive, but demos can be deceiving as they are frequently put >together around the instruments themselves. Real-world experiences >integrating these sounds into your pieces are at least as valuable. The Garritan Jazz & Big Band Library definitely sounds promising - and their demos are impressive - but so far I've found the required Kontakt player it requires to be so unstable that I can't open more than 2-3 tracks without it crashing Logic. I inquired with Garritan - and they had (at the time) no EXS24 driver for their library - and no plans to create one. I *thought* I had seen someone mention that they had created an EXS incarnation for this library (when first researching it) but since have been unable to locate it. I understand (but have not confirmed) that the samples themselves may be encrypted on the DVD, so such a version may not be possible for anyone but Garritan themselves. - Bob Shuster

Hi Sean, On 3-Jan-06, at 9:35 AM, Sean McCoy wrote: > I'm interested in getting any feedback y'all have on some of the more > recent sample library offerings. I'm particularly interested in the > crop of jazz and big band stuff that came out last year, including > Garritan's Big Band library, First Call Horns and the update to Kick > a** Brass. Also the ancient/ethnic offerings RA from East West, and > Origins, the brand new one from Ilio (which may be too new for anyone > to have yet). Most of these I do not have although I do own RA. I find RA to be an excellent sounding library. 10% of it is the entire Rare Instruments library that EastWest put out in Giga format a few years back. The rest is completely new. There is not as much variety as a library like Ethno World 3 but they have done a great job in capturing many articulations in RA. They have concentrated onmaking the instruments more complete than being more comprehensive. One thing to note though that there aren't tons of percussion type instruments as one might expect in such a library (although they do have a few). I believe that their philosophy was that they included a bunch of ethnic percussion already in StormDrum so they didn't want to duplicate some instruments from there. If the fact that it is a Kontakt-based library with a Kompakt player doesn't bother you, it is well worth it to own in my opinion if you need high quality ethnic sounds. I also like how these were sampled too. They were recorded at Ocean Way Sound using a custom API console with a bunch of vintage mics. They used a phase-accurate 8 mic setup and a lot of attention was paid to detail here. The newly recorded instruments (ie the ones that aren't in Rare Instr.) sound great and have a warmth and largeness to them that you can't find in the older instruments. They are recorded dry so they can be reverbed to put them in their own space. I am really happy with this library but it is on the pricey side (although still worth it IMHO). I'm really waiting and on the fence about big band brass libraries, just continuing to use what I currently have in the meantime. I really think that NAMM will have some announcements. I'm pretty sure that Fable Sounds (to be distributed by Sonic Implants I think) will have a release date announcement about the broadway library that they announced last year. From what I've read on their website, you can purchase individual instruments when they are eventually released (although it will be more expensive in the long run if you buy the entire thing eventually). My take on GBB is that it is good for the price but I just think that their will be something missing in the sound quality. The demos have not done it for me personally, much like GPO demos did not do it for me. It just seems to have a thin sound to me and lacking some warmth. I haven't really heard much of the First Call Horns to make any real opinion on the demos. Kick A** Brass uses its own player and I'm a bit concerned about that and the ability to edit the sounds. At least with the Kontakt-based players, I can edit the way I want to. I had heard about some tuning problems in the first version (Giga) and so I'm unsure if they have fixed that or not. It does sound good but it has not made me feel like buying it yet. Perhaps I find the price too expensive, I don't know. I'm not saying that these horn libs are not good - I don't have any real experience with them. These are just my opinions from listening to demos as well as reading up on them. I am *always* on the lookout for a killer brass library but there hasn't been anything that has dropped my jaw yet. While Quantum Leap Brass was good for its time (and I have the new programming in Colossus too), it is long in the tooth and not as complete as it needs to be for better realism. I'm beginning to consider sampling some players myself. If I had a better room to record in, I would have done it a long time ago. I've currently got a custom sampling project (non-commercial) on the go but, once it is complete, I may move on to my own brass. HTH (and sorry for being a bit long), Fernstudio

Hi, when clicking on the E button in the "zone" window the sample editor opens and it is possible to edit the loop points etc graphically. The values from the zone window are read into the sample editor window and when dragging the LS and LE points the values are updated in the zone display of EXS. This works at times, but at other times the changes that I do in the graphic display ar NOT reflected in the EXS zone window. Is there something that I have to "activate"? Logic Pro 7.1.1 Cheers and thanks in advance JF ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets." Voltaire (1694-1778)

Greetings and Happy New Year to All, In the past, I have been able to convert and use certain Akai format samples with my EXS24. Are files in the S5/6000 format compatible with the EXS24? John F.

Hello! I´m trying to make make my own Instrument for EXS. Everything is OK until I save it and try to open it after closing Logic. Then the sound is VERY distorted. And only the Instrument I did, other ones are OK. What´s happening? Am I saving it some how wrong? Seppo ( Powerbook 1,67 G, OS 10.4.3, Logic 7.1.1 )

> I'm interested in getting any feedback y'all have on some of the more > recent sample library offerings. I'm particularly interested in the > crop of jazz and big band stuff that came out last year, including > Garritan's Big Band library, First Call Horns and the update to Kick > a** Brass. Also the ancient/ethnic offerings RA from East West, and > Origins, the brand new one from Ilio (which may be too new for anyone > to have yet). I've listened to a bunch of demos ranging from lousy to > impressive, but demos can be deceiving as they are frequently put > together around the instruments themselves. Real-world experiences > integrating these sounds into your pieces are at least as valuable. > > Sean McCoy > Oregon Sound Recording Sean, I'm really pleased with Garritan's JaBB samples, although they do take some time to get your head around -and I'm still working on that. If your looking for user examples, check out the Garritan forum in the demos section, there's a good variety of styles to give you a reference point. Remember however, that it was only December when people began getting their hands on copies, and people (especially those new to Garritan; like myself) are still trying to used to how his stuff is structured. On initial play in, things may not sound as good as you expect, but they improve as you massage them with cc data. I've been finding it too troublesome to draw it in on my sequencer so I went out and got a little midi data controller this weekend; makes it much easier. I'm having the toughest time with the alto samples, but some really nice clarinet (and bass clarinet), bari sax, some of the trumpets, flugel. One of the 2 doublebass choices is Chuck Isreals' bass (best known for his work with Bill Evans). I studied with Chuck and have played that bass on half a dozen occasions and they did a great job of caputuring in both pizz and arco. The jazz kit is the most authentic sample I've played around with in my, admittedly limited, experience. I'm not in the position to go out and spend big coin, but for the money, I don't think you can go wrong. Anyways, hope that helps Regards, Shane Shane Fawkes Director of Music Walnut Grove Sec. School Langley, B.C. Canada sfawkes@sd35.bc.ca

Hi, I asked this a few days ago but there was no reply - perhaps I didn't explain my problem well. Editing loop points in the sample editor (pressing the "E" button in the zone window) worked for me a few days ago and never again. I can drag the LS and LE bars around in the sample window but their position is not updated in the zone window - the loop points remain the values that I typed in as numbers in the zone window. Just what am I overlooking? Please advice... Cheers

On Jan ,10, 2006, at 6:05 AM, jurgenfrenz wrote: > Editing loop points in the sample editor (pressing the "E" button in > the zone window) worked > for me a few days ago and never again. I can drag the LS and LE bars > around in the sample > window but their position is not updated in the zone window - the loop > points remain the > values that I typed in as numbers in the zone window. > > Just what am I overlooking? Please advice... You probably have to actually save and reload the instrument in order for the newly edited loop parameters to be recognized. -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com Almat Productions

On Jan 10, 2006, at 12:41 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Sean, > > I'm really pleased with Garritan's JaBB samples, although they do > take some time to get your head around -and I'm still working on > that. If your looking for user examples, check out the Garritan forum > in the demos section, there's a good variety of styles to give you a > reference point. Sean, Sorry, the demos section is titled 'The Listening Room'. You do have to weed through which demos are JaBB and which are GPO (Garritan Personal Orch). Regards, Shane Shane Fawkes Director of Music Walnut Grove Sec. School Langley, B.C. Canada sfawkes@sd35.bc.ca

Eli Krantzberg wrote: > On Jan ,10, 2006, at 6:05 AM, jurgenfrenz wrote: > >> Editing loop points in the sample editor (pressing the "E" button in >> the zone window) worked >> for me a few days ago and never again. I can drag the LS and LE bars >> around in the sample >> window but their position is not updated in the zone window - the loop >> points remain the >> values that I typed in as numbers in the zone window. >> >> Just what am I overlooking? Please advice... > > You probably have to actually save and reload the instrument in order > for the newly edited loop parameters to be recognized. I find that moving the LS and LE pointers updates the zone window info immediately. -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

On Jan ,10, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Pete Thomas wrote: >>> I can drag the LS and LE bars >>> around in the sample >>> window but their position is not updated in the zone window >> >> You probably have to actually save and reload the instrument in order >> for the newly edited loop parameters to be recognized. > > > I find that moving the LS and LE pointers updates the zone window info > immediately. I'll take your word for it; I haven't tried it myself. Well, that rules out that possibility then ....... -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com Almat Productions

Hi, thank you very much for your comments. I loaded MANY different instruments form the lib and it works without problems. But it still does not work with my own samples! What a drag... When I reload the instrument the samples with their (rather bad) loop points reolad, so there is no problem as with file locations etc. If any of you has time to ponder over it I could upload the instrument with just one sample nto the group folders. I can only think of "wrong" file loactions, I mean the sample is not there where both EXS and the sample editor expect it to be. But I wouldn't know how to heal such a mistake. Would you have suggestions what I may try? I know, erase the instrument, rename the samples and start form scratch :-) I would like to do that right now, I'd like to understand.. Cheers, best wishes from China Jurgen

--- Andrea at Redmatica <agoz@redmatica.com> skrev: --------------------------------- On 20/Nov / 2005, at 7:26 PM, Peter Ostry wrote: > Ok, claves have very short sounds but in case two clave sounds which > use the same sample play at the same time but on different tracks. Is > that problem or not? > > I ask because I'm reorganizing my samples with EXSmanager and wonder > if I should select "complete sample set for each instrument" or > "share samples as much as possible" for certain instruments like > Wizoo Latin Percussion. Hi Peter, sharing samples in Exs24 is *not* a problem, and actually a very good thing: you will spare disk space and RAM usage by sharing the sample for all instruments... Best Regards Andrea at Redmatica Hi Andrea, Can you please send me my registration number som I

I'm wondering if an Imac running Logic Express 7 and EXSP24 might be a viable alternative 2nd computer to complement a Logic Pro system that is getting taxed due to heavy sample library usage? I know nothing about the EXSP24 other than it is a playback-only engine. Would a system such as that have any other issues that would limit its usefulness? I realize it would top out at 2 GB of RAM and need an external audio interface, but other than that it could be a relatively inexpensive way to add more instruments while staying in the Mac domain. Any opinions appreciated. Sean McCoy Oregon Sound Recording

Hi, thanks for all your comments. Saving and reopening didn't improve the situation... So I just erased the instrument and started from scratch. Which was not a big job because there were just 7 samples. And everything was working the way it should. Don't ask why :-) and all I really care about that it works. Thanks again Jurgen from Beijing/China

Hi folks Anyone know of a good collection of treble, tenor and bass viol samples? Might also be called viola da gamba. Urgently needed. TIA Brian

I just bought Logic 5.2 with EXS24 Instrument Editor from ebay unfortuntely without a manual and I'm having difficulty setting things up. I'm on a pc running windows me, if that makes any difference. Basically I need to know how to integrate Exs24 into Logic so that I can actually use it. I've loaded multiple samples (kick, snare, hat) in the zone window, but what do I do next? How can I actually use the samples in the arrange window and compose a sequence? Any help would be much appreciated as I've heard glowing reports about this program but its difficult to understand without a manual.

Hi, the guy who sold you the software should give you the manual as well. Did you buy it with a dongle? There are pirate versions of logic 5.2 for windows out there without a dongle - in that case you were cheated. Cheers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets." Voltaire (1694-1778)

I just bought Logic 5.2 with EXS24 Instrument Editor from ebay Imediately update to 5.51 which is the final PC edition of Logic and also a great one. The EXS mrk II is part of that package. You have to load an EXS instance in an instrument, select the instrument in arrange and go into the instrument in the mixer window by double clicking it. Select your preset and you should be able to hear it when you press your keyboard. If you need to edit further go into the editor from the EXS.