On Dec ,3, 2005, at 9:13 AM, gcala5 wrote: > Im' using cello (bowed) in a piece and I need some long notes. It > happens that they are > (shortly) too long and the sample loops from it's beginning during the > last (few) milliseconds, > so I hear the attack twice. In the "real word" if you play very piano > the bow is long enough to > allow this (the part will be played by a real player), but now the > music has to be listened by > my client, before it will "really" played. Which parameters should I > use (eg, temporaly, like > midi messages, or anything else) to allow long notes? You could try opening the sample in the sample edit window and adjusting the loop points so that it doesn't go right back to the beginning when it loops. You'll see little triangular "L" markers in the sample edit window to do this. They look a bit like the start and end markers, but are meant just for setting loop in and out points. -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com Almat Productions

Eli Krantzberg wrote: > You could try opening the sample in the sample edit window and > adjusting the loop points so that it doesn't go right back to the > beginning when it loops. You'll see little triangular "L" markers in > the sample edit window to do this. They look a bit like the start and > end markers, but are meant just for setting loop in and out points. Yeah. In addition, usually a bit of crossfading will be required to get smoother transitions from loop end to loop start. Experiement with different values and carfully listen to possible phasing problems during the x-fade. In general, longer loops will sound better, but if the sound changes much over time, they might sound unnatural. Finding and adjusting proper loop points on strings is a timeconsuming task... Regards, Sascha

> Eli Krantzberg wrote: > > You could try opening the sample in the sample edit window and > > adjusting the loop points so that it doesn't go right back to the > > beginning when it loops. You'll see little triangular "L" markers in > > the sample edit window to do this. They look a bit like the start and > > end markers, but are meant just for setting loop in and out points. "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@g...> wrote: > > Yeah. In addition, usually a bit of crossfading will be required to get smoother transitions from loop end to loop start. > Experiement with different values and carfully listen to possible phasing problems during the x-fade. > In general, longer loops will sound better, but if the sound changes much over time, they might sound unnatural. Finding and > adjusting proper loop points on strings is a timeconsuming task... > > Regards, > Sascha > Many thanks for your answers. Have tried Eli's suggestments and missed exactly the later Sacha's answer about crossfading (to avoid the 'bump' between loop start and end), but since my inexperience in logic's sample editor (I used Peak in the past on OS9) I am a bit confused with saving my editings and other tasks: 1) How can I put a cross-fade between loop end and beginning? They are far away. 2) It's all the time a destructive editing, isn't it? 3) There are 3 types of cello attack modes mf, marcato and another, but they seem to responde at all at the same velocity values (0-127). How do I know what sample logic chooses when I play the part? I'm shure that it's a reklativly simple task, but please help me to save a little time. TIA Gianfrancesco

On Dec ,5, 2005, at 3:56 AM, gcala5 wrote: > 1) How can I put a cross-fade between loop end and beginning? They are > far away. In the EXS edit window, right next to the "E" button you press to open the sample in the sample edit window, there is a box where you can enter a cross-fade values. It's all numeric, there is no visual representation of the cross-fade you are creating. You have to set it by trial and error using your ears and the numbers. > 2) It's all the time a destructive editing, isn't it? No. The exact opposite. Altering loop points and setting cross-fade values is completely non destructive. > 3) There are 3 types of cello attack modes mf, marcato and another, > but they seem to > responde at all at the same velocity values (0-127). How do I know > what sample logic > chooses when I play the part? Look at the "view" settings in the EXS edit window for that instrument. There are different view modes that allow the selected zones to be displayed underneath the keyboard icon and for them to jump to the top of the zone and/or group list. -------- Eli Krantzberg http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com Almat Productions

hi guys i am wondering how well scrupture can create realistic instrument sort of lookin for a dobro guitar sound with the slides and all....i have yet to hear any good samples of this instrument...can anyone assist or direct....slowly moving inot the pop country vein and would alos love to hear any songs anyone has made in this vein using logic and its factory sounds...thank u

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@g...> wrote: > > Pete Thomas wrote: > > I have a few saxophones available, most in demo form at the moment but > > hoping to release them as full versions soon > > They're quite nice, btw. Allways wanted to say thank you but forgot. > > However, as a package, Garritan Jazz seems to be quite good. > Just recently I've been lucky (err...) enough to purchase some left-over "Kick Arse Brass" CD for the EXS (they're now only shipping > with a specialized but lousy playback engine), and even if I got it rather cheap I'm not impressed. Not a single "allround" section > patch and only single instruments, so if you want to double your leads with, say, another trumpet, you got no choice. And it even > becomes apparent if you do, say, a 3 part trumpet section that all the instruments are the same. From what I seem to understand, > Garritan has made it just as with GPO, so there's multiple variations of individual instruments available. > Just listen to the demos, there's not much yet, but they're not all that bad IMO. Should work rather fine for background section > stuff and the occasional stabs. Not too sure about solo stuff when it comes to them horns - but honestly, who would do a programmed > sax solo on anything meant to be serious? I certainly wouldn't. > > - Sascha > Depends on how it has been scored, i.e. the knowledge status of a particular instrument, how about a Coltrane year?

On 09.12.2005, at 14:17, forums@logic-users.org wrote: > hi guys i am wondering how well scrupture can create realistic > instrument > sort of lookin for a dobro guitar sound with the slides and all... It can't. Sculpture does not imitate natural instruments. It "constructs" sounds by mathematical calculations based on physical properties. Although Sulpture can produce the sound of several natural string instruments to some degree it is rather built to construct synthetic or impossible instruments like a glass cylinder plucked by a feather. Maybe you can imitate the sound of one Dobro string within a small fret range (if you get the parameters right) but you cannot expect to hear any typical playing technique. I think bending Sculpture "back" to produce natural sounds is, though possible, against its destination. > i have > yet to hear any good samples of this instrument I don't know of Dobro samples but I am pretty sure you will find some. If simple samples are not enough for you you might try RealGuitar. Maybe you can filter it somehow to get a Dobro-like sound, assuming that the playing style is authentic. Real Guitar has alternating samples and three types of noises (fret, release, body). You need a mid-size keyboard for that software. If RealGuitar basically fits and you play it in solo mode you could try to support the sound with metallic settings from Sculpture. Btw, it would not do any harm to the musical scene if you get a Dobro sound nobody else has :-) ___ Peter Ostry

At 7:17 Uhr -0600 09.12.2005, forums@logic-users.org wrote: >hi guys i am wondering how well scrupture can create realistic instrument >sort of lookin for a dobro guitar sound with the slides and all....i have >yet to hear any good samples of this instrument...can anyone assist or There is a sample library out there called "American Heartland" that has the best Dobro sounds I have heard. Still it's like with any sample library: it's nowhere close to what a player does. Cheers Hans

Hans wrote: >> hi guys i am wondering how well scrupture can create realistic >> instrument >> sort of lookin for a dobro guitar sound with the slides and >> all....i have >> yet to hear any good samples of this instrument...can anyone >> assist or > > There is a sample library out there called "American Heartland" that > has the best Dobro sounds I have heard. Still it's like with any > sample library: it's nowhere close to what a player does. Is that the Larry Campbell sample collection? He's an outstanding player (and a lovely guy) and I'm sure he would have done a great job. But the problem with dobro, slide, and, especially, pedal steel is that the standard keyboard/sampler setup is an incredibly awkward interface to reproduce what these instruments can do. I think it will take a rethinking along the lines of realguitar to make anything that sounds even vaguely realistic. Any developers out there up for the challenge? Best Wishes, Michael A. Levine www.MichaelLevineMusic.com

I have not loaded my Logic 7 yet into my MAC, as I am waiting on my DM3200 which is back ordered. In the commercial studio that I used to own and operate, I ran Logic 6 and had the original EXS24. My tech converted my AKAI Samples so theycould be used in Logic 6 and played with the EXS 24. So my question is, will I be able to play my AKAI Sample library and my Giga Studio Libray in the EXS24 MKII that comes with Logic 7?

On 11 Dec 2005, at 20:20, Michael Knox wrote: > I have not loaded my Logic 7 yet into my MAC, as I am waiting on my > DM3200 which is back ordered. In the commercial studio that I used to > own and operate, I ran Logic 6 and had the original EXS24. My tech > converted my AKAI Samples so theycould be used in Logic 6 and played > with the EXS 24. So my question is, will I be able to play my AKAI > Sample library and my Giga Studio Libray in the EXS24 MKII that comes > with Logic 7? Hi, EXS24 changed to the MKII moniker at version 5.something (please correct me if I'm wrong). In reality there should be absolutely no difference between the 6.x version and the 7.x version. the only thing that has changed (from memory) is the ability to rubber band stuff. Short answer.. No difference. Mike

> > I have not loaded my Logic 7 yet into my MAC, as I am waiting on my > > DM3200 which is back ordered. In the commercial studio that I used to > > own and operate, I ran Logic 6 and had the original EXS24. My tech > > converted my AKAI Samples so theycould be used in Logic 6 and played > > with the EXS 24. So my question is, will I be able to play my AKAI > > Sample library and my Giga Studio Libray in the EXS24 MKII that comes > > with Logic 7? > > Hi, EXS24 changed to the MKII moniker at version 5.something (please > correct me if I'm wrong). In reality there should be absolutely no > difference between the 6.x version and the 7.x version. the only > thing that has changed (from memory) is the ability to rubber band > stuff. Short answer.. No difference. Mike ... use convert option to convert AKAI

Andreas wrote: > I found one parameter in the group box in the editor view that don't > understand: > > The 'select by' parameter has several options: note, group, ctrl, pb > > I have alredy found out what the options note, group and pb do. (that > wasn't too difficult to find out ;-)) > but how is the group option meant to be used? Thanks! This is actually very cool If you have two groups, set one of them to "select by group" then "start" in the box just to the right of this Set the other group to "select by group", and choose the first group in the next box. The groups will now play alternately. -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

On 9 dec 2005, at 14.17, forums@logic-users.org wrote: > Message posted by barry james <b10175@yahoo.com> > ______________________________________________________________________ [snip] > lookin for a dobro guitar sound with the slides and all....i have > yet to hear any good samples of this instrument...can anyone assist or > direct....slowly moving inot the pop country vein and would alos > love to > hear any songs anyone has made in this vein using logic and its > factory > sounds...thank u [snip] I don't know about the quality because I don't have the "real thing" (neither IRL or in software) but USB have at least one Dobro patch their Plugsound Vol.2 instrument. See http://www.ultimatesoundbank.com/usb/exec/plugsound2 You can download and hear a "light" version of it their free plugin "Plugsound Free" from another location on their website (the one I have used). Cheers, Orc

I have recently downloaded Express 7 on my MAC G4 10.3.9 and hardly any samples cannot be found anywhere in the sampler instument folder. So I downloaded a few exs and wav samples from the web, only to find the EXSP24 doesn't load them. I can see where the exs or wav samples are located, but they are greyed out and the permissions are fine. Can anyone pinpoint what is wrong here when i load these sample files for EXSP24, ESE, and ESP players, but doesn't recognise any of these samples ? Also, how to I convert OS9 fxb's for Express AU technology ? translator ? cheers

Hi, I finally finished my EXS24 Logic 7 sample library called Piano Attack. Demo's are at www.pianoattack.com The unexpected sounds from the inside: phrases, loops, beats, bangs, zings, the whole shebang. The Logic 7, EXS24/ Kontakt 2 multi format DVD-rom consists of: - 210 EXS24 patches - 411 Logic 7 channelstrip presets - BPM patches (40-310 bpm) - 274 Kontakt 2 (monolith) patches - 157 REX files cheers, Renger

These retailers look like they might have a useable product of hip hop drums. I say this because the price is so high. Has anyone got the complete banginbeats 'no excuses' drum collection or the complete modernbeats/mpcsounds 'original gangsta and street platinum' drum collections? Give me a review before I spend the cash. Thanks, Roman Pirie.

At 12:31 pm +1300 2005.12.20, Roman Pirie wrote: >These retailers look like they might have a useable product of hip hop >drums. I say this because the price is so high. Has anyone got the >complete banginbeats 'no excuses' drum collection or the complete >modernbeats/mpcsounds 'original gangsta and street platinum' drum >collections? >Give me a review before I spend the cash. I've purchased a couple of kits from ModernBeats. Originally, I had to spring for their Vintage Drums collection, which is very good. Since then, I've tried a couple of their Hip-Hop kits and they are decent. The ordering process is slightly annoying for Mac users. Apparently, they have some ultra-paranoid Windows based system, and first-time Mac customers have to call in. Return Mac customers still need to wait for a special download link via email the next day (no late night download-able inspirations for you). But it works. My only usability complaint is that they provide completed kits for several samplers (Battery, EXS24, etc.), good good, but the individual sounds are given cryptic names so it's hard to cherry-pick and build your own. G

Can you give me a url for the site that sells these sounds? Thanks. -Mark

At 9:39 pm -0500 2005.12.19, Mark Falchook wrote: >Can you give me a url for the site that sells these sounds? Thanks. http://www.modernbeats.com/ When in doubt, just add .com to the company name. :) G

Problem: I created a file in ReCycle to load into Logic via the EXS 24II using the Recycle Convert -> Extract MIDI Region And Make New Instrument function within the EXS' Edit page. I get this strange message when I try to load this REX2 file: "The REX2 file was created by a later version of ReCycle and connot be loaded with this version of the REX shared library. Please update the REX shared library, then try again." What is odd is that I worked in this same set-up yesterday. I also created a few REX2 files in ReCycle and they all loaded just fine using the same process. I am not doing anything differently at all and I have not updated or changed any of the software. I only use this computer for Logic + music ... It's not even on the internet. Also, yesterday's REX2 files will drag into an Audio track/channel in the arrange window and play just fine ... The one I created today will not. (I created a second version of the same sound and file in ReCycle with the same results) Here's what I'm using: ReCycle 2.1 build 229 Logic Pro 7.1.1 I'm on a G4, dual 1.25 GB OSX 10.4.2 Lots of RAM, and the track I'm working on is in its infancy so not a lot of CPU usage yet at all (and yes, yesterday's REX2 files were used in the same track) Any help is appreciated. I'm at a standstill here until I figure this one out. Thanks in advance ... M

Hi, I just received my Flossmode Studios sample discs of the Triton, MOTIF ES, and the Fantom X! These sounds are amazing! I've tried them with the EXS24 in Logic Pro 7 but it seems I have to adjust the release on some of them. However, when I converted them for Machfive the release times were better and actually easier for me to edit since I'm more familiar with it. However, can anyone help with info on shortning release times with the EXS24?

Did you get the 'next level' versions or 'unleashed'? 'Next level' is multi sampled and 'Unleashed' is just middle C sampled. I am curious how well these products work compared to the original keyboard. I realise that they are not looped. So a long sustained note is not possible like on the original keyboards. How long are the notes? Are the shorter percussive sounds like say a mute guitar sampled shorter. I just imagine the sampling may have been automated at a certain length. Are the drum samples edited. Some sample CDs have many seconds of silence after each drum. IOW the ends are not edited. I am planning on purchasing some flossmode sounds. If we trade then we could halve the expense. I am specifically waiting on a drums only collection which I have requested and have been assured will be available soon. It will have all the drums of all the flossmode products. But if I buy a couple of products like Mo Phatt etc then we could have the full products anyway by sharing. How much hard drive space does each product use? I am also a Logic 7, exs24 user. These products certainly seem exciting if they can provide the sounds of these flagship keyboards. What other comments can you offer me in way of a review of the sounds. How well do the patches perform? What is the sound quality like? I would assume for products these organised they would have a nice sound card and know about good levels etc. I see the Fantom X is only available as 'unleashed' this means the sounds are just one sample, middle C. I would assume these to be unuseable. Holla back, Roman Pirie. On 25/12/2005, at 1:24 AM, guitar01_2001 wrote: > Hi, > I just received my Flossmode Studios sample discs of the Triton, > MOTIF ES, and the Fantom X! These sounds are amazing! I've tried > them with the EXS24 in Logic Pro 7 but it seems I have to adjust > the release on some of them. However, when I converted them for > Machfive the release times were better and actually easier for me > to edit since I'm more familiar with it. However, can anyone help > with info on shortning release times with the EXS24? > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > EXS Users Group - new web forums! http://logic-users.org/forums/EXS > - To UNSUBSCRIBE: email exs-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > - Search the entire archive: http://logic-users.org/forums/EXS/search > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

hi all! i'm experiencing this: when i want to save a newly created exs instrument it takes some minutes! even if there is no sample at all in the instrument or just a very small one. i'm sure there is something not working here, it can't be like this! my system: dual g5 2.7 - osx 10.4.3 - 3,5 gb ram - 2x 250 gb hd - logic 7.1.1 any hint? thanx a lot for any help... i've really no idea, the rest seems to work perfectly. merry christmas ;-)

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