Hi, I have a question regarding EXS24's file structure organisation. I don't like the way the files are organised (.exs files in the Sampler Instruments folder, and audio files in the EXSamples folder). What I would rather do, is keeping all of the audio files within the specific Sampler Instruments subfolder, i.e. ...Sampler InstrumentsBass<.exs and . wav files> For the moment, EXS24 most of the time finds more than one location of a sample, because most of them I imported them from my old Akai S2000, where you were forced to keep all your instruments and samples within the same volume. Then EXS24 asks me which sample I want to use, and offers me a choice of 2 to 5 locations. It's very annoying. Can I simply not tell EXS24 to just look in the "current folder", meaning the folder where he found the .exs file? Thanks, E-Rick

At 09:22 AM 11/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I have a question regarding EXS24's file structure organisation. I >don't like the way the files are organised (.exs files in the >Sampler Instruments folder, and audio files in the EXSamples >folder). What I would rather do, is keeping all of the audio files >within the specific Sampler Instruments subfolder, i.e. ...Sampler >InstrumentsBass<.exs and . wav files> > >For the moment, EXS24 most of the time finds more than one location >of a sample, because most of them I imported them from my old Akai >S2000, where you were forced to keep all your instruments and >samples within the same volume. Then EXS24 asks me which sample I >want to use, and offers me a choice of 2 to 5 locations. It's very >annoying. > >Can I simply not tell EXS24 to just look in the "current folder", >meaning the folder where he found the .exs file? No, Emagic chose to make the EXS sample-finding scheme extremely annoyingly simple. Actually, it sort of forces you to be disciplined, since having multiple copies of the same sound isn't that good. You could use the Project Manager (free) to bail you out here, but it's slow and may not enable you to do the things you want. You'd probably find Redmatica's EXS Manager helpful www.redmatica.com Garth Hjelte Sampler User

Garth Hjelte wrote: > No, Emagic chose to make the EXS sample-finding scheme extremely annoyingly > simple. Actually, it sort of forces you to be disciplined, since having > multiple copies of the same sound isn't that good. That's got to be the understatement of the month or so. To be honest, there's NO softsampler with a sample/patch archiving and searching scheme as lousy as the EXS. Even more amazing as this has been the case since the very first version came out. Once you got more than 3 samples of the same name and plan to reorganize your samples (or move them to another machine) you're asking for serious troubles as the lousy sample search "engine" wouldn't even allow you to manually point it to a sample as soon as the required sample isn't among the first three choices. In addition it's doing no CRC checks, so anything called "kick.wav" will be considered as a probably suitable sample. Really makes you think what's going on in Mr. Developers mind... > You could use the Project Manager (free) to bail you out here, but it's > slow and may not enable you to do the things you want. You'd probably find > Redmatica's EXS Manager helpful www.redmatica.com In case you really have loads of samples and reorganize them at least somewhat more or less often, the EXS Manager is indeed what you need. Regards, Sascha

At 03:30 PM 11/10/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > No, Emagic chose to make the EXS sample-finding scheme extremely annoyingly > > simple. Actually, it sort of forces you to be disciplined, since having > > multiple copies of the same sound isn't that good. > >That's got to be the understatement of the month or so. Hey, I was trying for the ultimate paradoxical effect... =) I was talking to Kelly Jacklin a while ago about this, and we tended to have different results. He swears by it, saying that if the path is incorrect the Mac does a quick CatSearch and comes up with the file in normally 7-10 seconds or so, then that helps get the reset of the samples. My times, on a G4 1.25 Mac, were much greater. We should mention that we use PC's much of the time, and the scheme REALLY hurts there, as there is no CatSearch available. (CatSearch takes advantage of the Mac HFS file system which integrates a mini-database with the filing system.) Not only that, once you try to load a .exs file with incorrect paths, you can't stop the process while Logic starts checking out your 250GB drive... CTL-ALT-DEL to the rescue though. Another possible advantage is that the EXS automatically rewrites the EXS file to update the paths, so you don't have to resave. SOme may like this, some may not. Since most EXS activity is on Mac, it would seem that a good argument can be made that the present system is OK. However, I don't see the hassle of simply putting up a status dialog with a cancel button on it; besides, isn't that Mac Interface Standard-compatible?? =) Garth Hjelte Sampler User

Thank you for all your help, but I am completely devoid of knowledge when it comes to the project manager. How do I use this tool to connect .wav files to there respective .exs instruments? I am in your hands and I trust you can help. Thanks beyond a million, Todd

> > Garth Hjelte wrote: > > No, Emagic chose to make the EXS sample-finding scheme extremely annoyingly > > simple. Actually, it sort of forces you to be disciplined, since having > > multiple copies of the same sound isn't that good. > "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@g...> wrote: > That's got to be the understatement of the month or so. > To be honest, there's NO softsampler with a sample/patch archiving and searching scheme as lousy as the EXS. Even more amazing as > this has been the case since the very first version came out. > Once you got more than 3 samples of the same name and plan to reorganize your samples (or move them to another machine) you're > asking for serious troubles as the lousy sample search "engine" wouldn't even allow you to manually point it to a sample as soon as > the required sample isn't among the first three choices. In addition it'sdoing no CRC checks, so anything called "kick.wav" will be > considered as a probably suitable sample. > Really makes you think what's going on in Mr. Developers mind... > > > You could use the Project Manager (free) to bail you out here, but it's > > slow and may not enable you to do the things you want. You'd probably find > > Redmatica's EXS Manager helpful www.redmatica.com > > In case you really have loads of samples and reorganize them at least somewhat more or less often, the EXS Manager is indeed what > you need. > > Regards, > Sascha > Ok thanks folks, I'll check it out! E-Rick

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "toddtacklebarhooth" <adwilt@e...> wrote: > > Thank you for all your help, but I am completely devoid of knowledge > when it comes to the project manager. How do I use this tool to > connect .wav files to there respective .exs instruments? > I am in your hands and I trust you can help. > Thanks beyond a million, > Todd > I know this doesn't answer your question, but I would highly recommend Redmatica's EXS Manager for this job. It's by far the fastest way to do this. Timo

I'm getting a tremelo effect on the (otherwise superb) Strings 2 preset. Can anyone advise on how to eliminate or at least reduce this? It is particularly noticeable in the upper octaves.

Logic 7.1.1 GarageBand 2.02 There is a curious oddity with some of the factory EXS samples. I believe, originally I installed - updated everything correctly. Short-story: basically the logic factory "clean electric guitar" - cannot find the samples... It appears to be looking for: YTEGUITA1X03.aif Yet the only sample is in the GarageBand samples folder ( and does not have the .aif) YTEGUITA1X03 - further - The GarageBand EXS same instrument loads correctly - so I am reluctant to simply change the names of all these files... - in addition all these Main Library files and folders are currently set to read only... Is that correct? - I imagine if I want to, I could duplicate the files and add the .aif extension... *Q: I'm curious if everybody else's clean electric guitar sample has this issue - or if something was weird with my install? -- Thanks - RevDave CoolCat@hosting4days.com [db-lists]

I searched the messages, but found nothing, so: I am having trouble importing some Akai CD-ROMs in the Logic Express EXS sampler (convertor doesn't recognize the CD when I insert it). Some of the CDs have demo audio tracks on them, so could this cause the problem? Thanks!

On 11/10/05 1:22 AM, "The Flying Snowman" <flyingsnowman@yahoo.com> wrote: > For the moment, EXS24 most of the time finds more than one location > of a sample, because most of them I imported them from my old Akai > S2000, where you were forced to keep all your instruments and > samples within the same volume. I curious how you imported your s2000 samples? I have some s1000 samples that I'd like to import... Any ideas? -- Thanks - RevDave CoolCat@hosting4days.com [db-lists]

the_shawnellis wrote: > I searched the messages, but found nothing, so: > > I am having trouble importing some Akai CD-ROMs in the Logic Express EXS sampler > (convertor doesn't recognize the CD when I insert it). Some of the CDs have demo audio > tracks on them, so could this cause the problem? Problem might be caused not by demo audio tracks but by being a multi format CD if there is PC or MAC software on there. I remember having to get an older CD driver and install when I had this problem but that was when I had a dual G4 and OS9. The following is from the timespace.com sitesupport section FAQs: Why won't my MAC recognise my mixed-mode (e.g. Audio+Akai) Sample CDs? This is most likely because you are running OS9 or later. You will need to change the Apple CD/DVD Driver Extension for an earlier version. Apple changed this driver with OS9 and as a result, your MAC will only see the audio partition of mixed-mode CDs. The driver is available from us via email. -- Pete Thomas www.petethomas.co.uk - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Hi, since Logic 7.1 in Tiger, the problem with soundfonts has been solved, they are converted into samples and are accessible via exs, but not all of them, on some presets I just get a click, but they open and play correct in SynthTest. On the other hand, Andys OSX Music SoundFont Synth V2.02 no longer passes the AU validation test. He unfortunately does not respond to mail. Could someone explain where in the library the soundfonts should be, so I can use them with DLSMusicDE, this worked in Panther, but I underestimated it then. The matter here is replacing the QuicktimeSynthesizer with a soundfont, although... Thanks for assistance

haraldschneller <haraldschneller@web.de> wrote: Hi, since Logic 7.1 in Tiger, the problem with soundfonts has been solved, they are converted into samples and are accessible via exs, but not all of them, on some presets I just get a click, but they open and play correct in SynthTest. On the other hand, Andys OSX Music SoundFont Synth V2.02 no longer passes the AU validation test. He unfortunately does not respond to mail. Could someone explain where in the library the soundfonts should be, so I can use them with DLSMusicDE, this worked in Panther, but I underestimated it then. The matter here is replacing the QuicktimeSynthesizer with a soundfont, although... Thanks for assistance SFS working just fine under logic 7.0 & Tiger for me. for sure passing the AU validation. hummmm mabey something got screwed up in 7.1

I have very recently purchased the Consolidated bundle from PMI. I bought it with the 50% off groupbuy and I received them a couiple of days ago. They are to say the least packed very confusingly but I have been able to make everything work thanks to EXS Manager Pro. The only thing that doesn't work is the Steinway D. There is a quite loud noise on top of the notes which could be caused by a damaged DVD or in this case that the EXS isn't playing back the right files (messy packing). Does anybody know what library the Steiway D samples are located in, Especially the ones for the Classic. I have sent a message to PMI but he hasn't replied yet and I would like to get this running as quickly as possible.

--- HKC <hkc@surfpost.dk> wrote: > I have sent a message to PMI but he hasn't replied > yet and I would like to get this running as quickly > as possible. > You might try posting this at www.northernsounds.com. Someone there might be able to help and Michiel himself is often to be found hanging out there. JP

The Garritan Personal Orchestra works with the Kontakt player and the descriptions recommends NOT to use the same instrument more than once, to be exact, not simultaneous. Instruments would have to play the same samples which is not possible. How is that with EXS? If I have two percussion sets with different parts but using the same samples, may I run into a "sample-sharing" problem or is it different in EXS? Example: Set 1 - Bongos, Congas, Claves. Set 2 - Tambourin, Chimes, Claves. Ok, claves have very short sounds but in case two clave sounds which use the same sample play at the same time but on different tracks. Is that problem or not? I ask because I'm reorganizing my samples with EXSmanager and wonder if I should select "complete sample set for each instrument" or "share samples as much as possible" for certain instruments like Wizoo Latin Percussion. ___ Peter Ostry

On 20/Nov / 2005, at 7:26 PM, Peter Ostry wrote: > Ok, claves have very short sounds but in case two clave sounds which > use the same sample play at the same time but on different tracks. Is > that problem or not? > > I ask because I'm reorganizing my samples with EXSmanager and wonder > if I should select "complete sample set for each instrument" or > "share samples as much as possible" for certain instruments like > Wizoo Latin Percussion. Hi Peter, sharing samples in Exs24 is *not* a problem, and actually a very good thing: you will spare disk space and RAM usage by sharing the sample for all instruments... Best Regards Andrea at Redmatica

On 20.11.2005, at 19:38, Andrea at Redmatica wrote: > sharing samples in Exs24 is *not* a problem, and actually a very good > thing: you will spare disk space and RAM usage by sharing the sample > for all instruments... Fine. Saved me 20 GB :-) Thank you! ___ Peter Ostry

On 21/11/2005, at 5:26 AM, Peter Ostry wrote: > The Garritan Personal Orchestra works with the Kontakt player and the > descriptions recommends NOT to use the same instrument more than > once, to be exact, not simultaneous. Instruments would have to play > the same samples which is not possible. > > How is that with EXS? If I have two percussion sets with different > parts but using the same samples, may I run into a "sample-sharing" > problem or is it different in EXS? Before the days of plugin delay compensation on all objects my favourite way of doing drums in EXS was to load the same multisampled kit into 4 -6 instances of EXS - some stereo, some mono. It was completely no problem and saved ram a lot and allowed separate processing of each sound without having to worry about PDC at all. So the answer is yes EXS shares the same samples very well. I'm not sure weather if there were some used samples common between two different instruments that EXS would detect that and not use up the extra memory. I suspect it only works when loading the exact same instrument more than once. Regards ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Paul Najar Jaminajar Music Production www.jaminajar.com

on 11/20/05 10:26 AM, Peter Ostry at po@ostry.com wrote: > The Garritan Personal Orchestra works with the Kontakt player and the > descriptions recommends NOT to use the same instrument more than > once, to be exact, not simultaneous. Instruments would have to play > the same samples which is not possible. > > I think the problem is not within the sampler, but rather how you use the instruments in the mix. If two instruments are playing exactly the same audio files, and if they are time-shifted a little, then you get phase-cancellation artifacts. If the samples are played at the same time, all that happens is an increase in volume. It's analogous to the phase problems you sometimes get in using multiple mics to record a source, if they're not set up properly. I noticed this problem using two patches from the Garritan Orchestral Strings, for example. If I had two tracks in the Arrange page with identical sequences, one with an All Violins legato patch and the other with the first violin legato, and one of these is slightly delayed relative to the other, then I'd get phasing because the All Violins patch includes the identical 1st violin samples (along with the 2nd violin samples, which of course wouldn't contribute to the phase cancellation because they're different samples.) It would be important in this case to use only the all violin sample or blend the 1st and 2nd violin patches. Don

>> on 11/20/05 10:26 AM, Peter Ostry at po@ostry.com wrote: >> The Garritan Personal Orchestra works with the Kontakt player and the >> descriptions recommends NOT to use the same instrument more than >> once, to be exact, not simultaneous. Instruments would have to play >> the same samples which is not possible. > > On 20.11.2005, at 23:25, Don Newmeyer wrote: > I think the problem is not within the sampler, but rather how you > use the > instruments in the mix. If two instruments are playing exactly the > same > audio files,... No problem if each single instrument has it's own sample, which can be achieved with ExsManager if you use the "expand" option. Then you get a complete set of samples for each instrument. You need much more RAM and disc space of course. According to Andrea's statement EXS handles that issue fine. I have not tested it yet but I simply believe him because he has written the ExsManager :-) Btw, I like the concept of RealGuitar which is actually a sample player. You can select between 2 and 5 slightly different samples which are chosen randomly. > I noticed this problem using two patches from the Garritan Orchestral > Strings, for example. If I had two tracks in the Arrange page with > identical > sequences, one with an All Violins legato patch and the other with > the first > violin legato... I don't remember an "all violins" setting right now but if you used all violins at once, let's say violin 1+2+3 and added violin #2 a second time that is the situation which the manual describes as "must not". The ensemble settings are for that. I find their sound a bit strange but since people make so wonderful tracks with GPO it must be a matter of usage. ___ Peter Ostry

>> On 20.11.2005, at 23:25, Don Newmeyer wrote: >> I think the problem is not within the sampler, but rather how you >> use the >> instruments in the mix. If two instruments are playing exactly the >> same >> audio files,... > Peter wrote: > No problem if each single instrument has it's own sample, which can > be achieved with ExsManager if you use the "expand" option. Then you > get a complete set of samples for each instrument. You need much more > RAM and disc space of course. > That's what I said: the problem is not with EXS but how you use the instruments in a mix. >> I noticed this problem using two patches from the Garritan Orchestral >> Strings, for example. If I had two tracks in the Arrange page with >> identical >> sequences, one with an All Violins legato patch and the other with >> the first >> violin legato... > > I don't remember an "all violins" setting right now but if you used > all violins at once, let's say violin 1+2+3 and added violin #2 a > second time that is the situation which the manual describes as "must > not". The ensemble settings are for that. I find their sound a bit > strange but since people make so wonderful tracks with GPO it must be > a matter of usage. My example was from the Garritan Orchestral Strings (GOS) library, not GPO. The "All Violins" patch really includes the samples from both the first and second violin sections. I've never really understood how they get the ensemble building approach in GPO to work (and it seems to, at least in the examples they give), because in my experience mixing multiple tracks of solo instruments does not give the same sound as a sampled orchestral section. Perhaps the only way to do it properly would be to set up all the chairs and have the players sit at different chairs for each recording while leaving the mics fixed. I don't think close miking each take from the same distance would give a realistic section sound. Don

On 21.11.2005, at 14:16, Don Newmeyer wrote: > I've never really understood how they get the ensemble building > approach in > GPO to work (and it seems to, at least in the examples they give), > because > in my experience mixing multiple tracks of solo instruments does > not give > the same sound as a sampled orchestral section. Perhaps the only > way to do > it properly would be to set up all the chairs and have the players > sit at > different chairs for each recording while leaving the mics fixed. I > don't > think close miking each take from the same distance would give a > realistic > section sound. I think they miked a section from some distance. The "Ensemble" sounds are rather thin compared to the others, that's why I believe they didn't use close miking. I cannot get that working too, but I have no experience with orchestral music so it is most likely a matter of understanding and usage. ___ Peter Ostry

When comparing the sampler instruments and samples included in Logic Pro 7.1 with those that were included in Logic 6, it appears that many of the previous instruments and samples are not included in Logic 7.1. Were those that were deleted redundant with those in the new version? Were the missing instruments included in Garage Band instead? Has anyone tried to reimport the old Logic 6 instruments and samples into Logic 7? Thanks